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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post

    The unique feature of this workflow is the ZOOM with all the other focal length possibillities and the fact that nobody needs all the shift available all the time.
    Precisely! And then since I own mostly Nikon lenses, the unit is small enough on its own for me to leave it permanently attached to the Sony as my normal Nikon to E mount adapter with a convenient tripod foot and the added benefit of shifts/tilts when I need them!
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    Yup ! I think the working Pro´s are pretty fast seing what this means once they put their hands on once. And - I am not really keen on the maximum shift for all lenses. Even more interesting is the tilt which is working perfectly on about ANY lens and especially in combination with Macro lenses and the TS Rail will be Killer setup for e.g. bracelets, watches and many more small stuff images. Further: Tilting the superwides will result in unique sharpness image planes unseen before , just imagine what this will mean for advertising photography - put a bicycle, cars or a motobike to any location, run sharpness to a diagonal perspective on this and nevertheless get a blurred background separating the product from the background at dynamic angles and views ? Stuff that needed a viewcamera before, if it even could be done with it ?

    There is a world of new images waiting !

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    As soon as I can do it with some nice weather and according spare time I will do some stitched images and post them on Flickr. full res.

    The 2nd adapter will be shown when it´s ready. Obviously some people get confused when I show preliminary stuff. So - patience please.

    And Geralds results are exactly as I described them: at 14mm there is not so much movement - maybe 3-4mm of shift /rise - but this alone is already a worlds first at this focal range for 24x36 ! at 20mm the shift is 15mm, which is more than the Canon 17 or 24mm, going down again to about 12mm at 24mm.

    The unique feature of this workflow is the ZOOM with all the other focal length possibillities and the fact that nobody needs all the shift available all the time.
    Most people just use several mm of rise for single shots.
    This is what this system was built for. Fast, conveniant and for working pros doing jobs in the field, not for trying to test how much shifting and stitching can be done before it starts vignetting.

    The idea that a combination of shift and rise and stitch at maximum movements are always necessary at these focal lengthes is ..... well.......
    unrealistic. I never stated this was the purpose.
    This was built to work, not to play.


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    Stefan,

    I'm a working pro and I think that if your - sound nice - product can act like a Dslr techcam (one shot rise/shift/tilt AND multi rear stitching) with a lot of lenses it is a very good news for many...don't you think? So please don't be offended Stefan, just be happy you've done a great job on this.
    I don't care about having the max rise+shift for ALL my WA shots but as I may do it with your HCam I'd just like to see how (on the field) it works if needed, so it could be nice for us (future customers) to get feedbacks (video-pictures) on this feature (rear stitching) and why not others, this is all I was asking for - I understand you may be busy so I can be patient.

    Many MFDB TechCam owners appreciate their toys also for this unique feature (rear stitching). May be you should not undervalue it for your potential clients?

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    This was built to work, not to play
    I love being a Pro Photographer because I also/often/always CAN play at work... not given to everyone's job

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    Yup ! I think the working Pro´s are pretty fast seing what this means once they put their hands on once. And - I am not really keen on the maximum shift for all lenses. Even more interesting is the tilt which is working perfectly on about ANY lens and especially in combination with Macro lenses and the TS Rail will be Killer setup for e.g. bracelets, watches and many more small stuff images. Further: Tilting the superwides will result in unique sharpness image planes unseen before , just imagine what this will mean for advertising photography - put a bicycle, cars or a motobike to any location, run sharpness to a diagonal perspective on this and nevertheless get a blurred background separating the product from the background at dynamic angles and views ? Stuff that needed a viewcamera before, if it even could be done with it ?

    There is a world of new images waiting !

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    Hi Stefan, definitly you need to improve your communication
    Probably pro maybe "knows once they put their hand on ones", but you know, most people have to understand first if it could fit their needs or not before buying!
    that where you have to provide all the information to the potential buyers...

    And don't discard possibilities, regarding how people should or not use it:
    As for exemple: i must disagree with you, this is a perfect plateform for people who want to stitch!!!
    For exemple using the 24 tse, then you can stitch 3 images ending up in a 36x46mm "capture sensor size" with around 70mpx and still being able to use the shift+tilt on the lense...
    Same goes with the 35pc distagon, with around 85mpx and a surface capture up to 43x54.... as with probably a lot of other lenses....
    In both case, this is much more than what you could do with an IQ250+alpaFPS+24TSE (ok you have to make 3shot instead of 1, but still you cannot have a 70mpx cmos on the FPS) ...
    (but make things clear if i would have the budget, i would have gone for the FPS )

    I'm actually on the way back from Japan, but by thursday i'll be able to post some pictures on request, so let me know exactly what you want to see...
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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by Massimo View Post
    @joelorbita @daf
    Will you please detail how to preset the aperture of a TS-E lens without a Canon body?
    Is this doable only with a Metabones adapter or can you use any Canon to Nex adapter like e.g. the much cheaper Viltrox?
    No idea, i'm using a metabones on a second body, so it is really quick to adjust the aperture if needed, but as the TSE need to be stop down @11 (as a minimum for large shift), must say that i preset once the lens 2weeks ago, then never went back to adjust it yet...

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by daf View Post
    No idea, i'm using a metabones on a second body, so it is really quick to adjust the aperture if needed, but as the TSE need to be stop down @11 (as a minimum for large shift), must say that i preset once the lens 2weeks ago, then never went back to adjust it yet...
    @daf Thank you, but since I've never been a Canon user my question aimed at understanding how to keep the e.g. f/11 setting after dismounting the lens from the Metabones ... I have to unmount my Nikon PC-E from my D700 without turning off the body, and after having stopped down the aperture by depressing a button on the lens.

    What is the procedure to keep a preset aperture on the lens when the TS-E is mounted on a A7(r) + Metabones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Massimo View Post
    @daf Thank you, but since I've never been a Canon user my question aimed at understanding how to keep the e.g. f/11 setting after dismounting the lens from the Metabones ... I have to unmount my Nikon PC-E from my D700 without turning off the body, and after having stopped down the aperture by depressing a button on the lens.

    What is the procedure to keep a preset aperture on the lens when the TS-E is mounted on a A7(r) + Metabones?
    Same way...

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by daf View Post
    Same way...
    Thanks for the info!

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    Hi Daf,
    I would love to see some image samples if possible as my setup sounds somewhat similar to yours and am hoping to achieve similar things out of this adapter

    I agree that the stitching should not be underestimated, and due to the fact that it is a parallax free stitch, software makes pretty easy work of it..

    I would love to see any examples you have of using the Hcam adapter for stitching whilst still retaining front rise on your lenses.. As I use front rise so much, image stitching is not that useful to me without this..

    I saw the Rhinocam recently

    https://www.fotodioxpro.com/vizelex-...t-cameras.html

    and was wondering if there was possibly enough room to have a Canon Eos mount machined on and use a similar technique to the one you describe (stitching on the rear whilst having front rise on the lens) The only advantage it would have over the Hcam is being able to "pre-visualise" your shot though use of the Ground Glass.. That and it would yield a bigger 6cm x 4.5cm image..

    There is no way that you can see of somehow having a ground glass attached to the rear of the Hcam and being able to see the whole stitched image? I am guessing not but thought it was worth a ask

    Also, do you have any other shift adapters (Mirex or Kipon) that could be used in conjunction with this Hcam adapter? Would love to see a 50mm Hasselblad on there..

    Needing front rise of course!

    Thanks so much, any information you could share would be greatly appreciated!

    Do you have a site that I could see some of your work?

    Thanks again

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    24TseII:

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    35 pc distagon:

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    Pentax 55:

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Hi David

    Thank you for posting this. Good Idea to do it on a white wall.
    Maybe I will do some more the same way with the lenses I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallpaperviking View Post
    Hi Daf,
    I would love to see some image samples if possible as my setup sounds somewhat similar to yours and am hoping to achieve similar things out of this adapter

    I agree that the stitching should not be underestimated, and due to the fact that it is a parallax free stitch, software makes pretty easy work of it..

    I would love to see any examples you have of using the Hcam adapter for stitching whilst still retaining front rise on your lenses.. As I use front rise so much, image stitching is not that useful to me without this..

    I saw the Rhinocam recently

    https://www.fotodioxpro.com/vizelex-...t-cameras.html

    and was wondering if there was possibly enough room to have a Canon Eos mount machined on and use a similar technique to the one you describe (stitching on the rear whilst having front rise on the lens) The only advantage it would have over the Hcam is being able to "pre-visualise" your shot though use of the Ground Glass.. That and it would yield a bigger 6cm x 4.5cm image..

    There is no way that you can see of somehow having a ground glass attached to the rear of the Hcam and being able to see the whole stitched image? I am guessing not but thought it was worth a ask

    Also, do you have any other shift adapters (Mirex or Kipon) that could be used in conjunction with this Hcam adapter? Would love to see a 50mm Hasselblad on there..

    Needing front rise of course!

    Thanks so much, any information you could share would be greatly appreciated!

    Do you have a site that I could see some of your work?

    Thanks again
    No idea regarding the Rinocam.

    Yes there is a lot of different option for a medium format tilt shift adapter to eos...mirex/zoerk/kipon/arax etc...

    As you see, you can stitch 36x48 and still being able to shift(rise/fall) the lens...If you shoot and process with LCC, then you can end up with a larger surface capture for example with the 24TSEII ending at 36x52mm...but then it will depends on the lens image circle sharpness.

    Take a look at this for more info on lenses:
    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/medium-f...-645-lens.html
    Or just try to find which lens are good for the FPS +IQ180 then it should be ok for this.

    I've just bought an Hasselblad 50 CFI to replace my pentax, but haven't received the adapter yet...

    I haven't done any real stitched shot, as 36mpx is enough for me ...
    I bought it just for the possibility to have all four movement (rise/shift/tilt/swing) independent.
    The big plus of this adaptor for me is the rotating device which allow me just to switch from portrait to landscape without touching the tripod or the lens
    If you need i can shoot you 3images from my window, but it will not help you more tahn having a look at what the same lens is capable on the FPS...
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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    Hi David

    Thank you for posting this. Good Idea to do it on a white wall.
    Maybe I will do some more the same way with the lenses I have.

    Regards
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    Hi Stefan,
    I'm after a ultra wide lens option for interior, actually shooting the 14samyang which is sharp but sooo distorted;( i hate this lens... Considering a zoom for this purpose, i know the 14-24 nikon is a reference, but did you tried the Tamron 15-30 yet ? What about the sigma 12-24 ? or just waiting for the canon ?

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Daf, thanks so much for this information! Is exactly what I am after!

    Looks very promising indeed!

    If you could be bothered to take a stitched shot out of your window, I would really love to see it..

    When you provide details for the Pentax 55mm, you talk about achieving "10mm rise on the lens". Is this a shift lens? I could not find any Pentax 55mm shift lens when searching google..

    Or are you using either the Pentax 645 or Pentax 67 lens with a shift adapter? If so, which one is it?

    Which shift adapter are you going with for your Hasselblad 50mm lens?

    I will be very interested to see how this works as well.. Whether you have any issues with mechanical vignetting by essentially working with 2 adapters..

    Stefan, you mention that your new shift adapters (Canon - Hasselblad) aim to tackle this problem right? And to work in conjunction with your Hcam adapter?

    Daf, On that note, where vignetting does occur on your samples, is this from running out of image circle? Or is this caused by the adapter itself?

    O.K, thanks so much once again and please keep us updated with regards to the Hasselblad 50mm!


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    Which shift adapter are you going with for your Hasselblad 50mm lens?

    I will be very interested to see how this works as well.. Whether you have any issues with mechanical vignetting by essentially working with 2 adapters..


    +1


    I have the Hasselblad 50mm and 100mm lenses and would also be very interested to know whether you run into vignetting with this lenses? I assume it would be because of the adapter if so, as the image circle is really large..

    Thanks so much!

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    Which shift adapter are you going with for your Hasselblad 50mm lens?

    I will be very interested to see how this works as well.. Whether you have any issues with mechanical vignetting by essentially working with 2 adapters..



    Sorry, try that again..

    The above is what I would also love to have answered by Daf..

    Thanks again!
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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    I'm still waiting for the hasselblad adapter....
    But, the vigneting samples with the 55mm pentax used a kipon shift adapter pentax to eos .
    And you can see between the 2 série how the vigneting is changing when you rise the lens by using the kipon pentax to eos ...
    This should give you an idea of how it could works with the blad...for myself i think we should have less vigneting with the blad because of a shorter focal flange than the pentax67...
    Combining two adapter hcam plus kipon in the same direction( for exemple rise plus rise) : Give me 27mm of shift with the pentax67 55mm(new version) with an good sharpness...
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    Hi Daf,
    Thanks so much for that information..

    How was the Kipon adapter? Any issues?

    Are you also going with the Kipon for the Hasselblad?

    Look forward to hearing about your experiences with the Hasselblad 50mm as that is a lens I am also looking to purchase..

    With regards to the vignetting, is the vignetting coming from the adapter (or combination of adapters) or is because you are running out of image circle?



    Thanks again

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    Well regarding the Adapter quality, i would rate the hcam at 9/10 and the kipon at 5/10 (i have some little play In all part).
    so i bought a secondhand mirex hasselblad to eos.
    I
    Regarding the vigneting it depends on the lens, more precisly on how the lens is designed ... on my examples 24 tseii and pentax55 for both it is a mechanical vignet from the adapter, the 35pc distagon vigneting is coming from image circle (in fact Front ring Of the lens)...
    ..

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Great! I was also looking at getting the Mirex. I have had one before (Mamiya 645 - Eos) but ended up selling it when i sold my Canon 5DII.. Expensive but well made.

    Look forward to seeing the samples with the Hasselblad 50mm and the Mirex..

    Am guessing they will have similar results to the Pentax 55mm and Kipon, which will be good enough for me

    Thanks Daf, really appreciate your input

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Stay tuned for my review in a week or so, will be putting it up on the front page. But here's a teaser -- this unit is built so well, clearly designed by somebody who knows and understands what's required in field photography. And then it is so easy to use, I am contemplating dedicating it to one body and adding Canon adapters to a few specific medium format lenses for regular use on it -- it's that handy. Second point is I am truly surprised at how much shift room a standard FF DSLR lens actually has -- even my lowly Nikkor 17-35/2.8 illuminates nearly 8mm of shift at 17, and IQ is "useful" to about 5 or 6 of those. Obviously medium format lenses will allow far greater movements. Really great addition to a Sony kit for any landscape or product shooter.

    PS: Stefan, you won't be getting this demo unit back -- send me an invoice
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    Why do I feel I'm going to be buying one. Lol
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    Fantastic! Eagerly await your review Jack

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Jack

    watch your mail a little later. Nice you like it.

    Today I have gotten a Canon 16-35mm IS II, that seems to be a really cool lens for the HCam Master TS. It has a bit less image circle than the Nikon 14-24 (probably it is really connected to the higher fstop of f2,8 compared to f4,0 - the lenses are simply bigger ! ) , but then the Quality from 24 upwards to 35 is looking very good and that longer range is also very welcome ! I need to evaluate more, but it looks very usable.

    Will report ASAP. And then - I have ordered a Tamron f2,8/15-30mm with Nikon mount. Let´s see when this arrives (is backorder right now) but I feel that will be a very nice lens for the adapter.

    The first 11-24mm Canon EF´s have arrived in Germany, hopefully I´ll get my hands on one soon.

    The saw is prepared !

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Update: I got the Canon EF 4,0/11-24mm here to test now.
    Looks like a phantastic lens. Works nicely on the Sony with my tuned Viltrox (aka Metabones automatic aperture and AF ) adapter.

    BUT: the 11mm focal length up to 16mm are vignetting on the HCam Master TS, because the back lens is comparably deep inside the barrel and moving forward more than with e.g. the 14-24mm Nikon G-ED. The effect is mount vignetting(with the TS adapter), at least with this opening.
    From 16mm onward 24mm there are about 10mm of shift vertikal, but that is not so much to buy this as a TS Lens.
    We will look into the specifics of the vignetting, but the chances are not so big right now, to use this "unmodified", I did not cut the lensshade
    so the effects can overlap, I know this from the tests with the Nikon.

    Now let´s wait for the Tamron 15-30mm to show up, I am curious
    about the lens movements and construction, this will define usability for TS applications.

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    ;(

    Anyone tried those lenses?
    -canon16-35 f4
    -canon 24-70 II

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    Daf,

    I would also be really interested to hear about how you go with the Hasselblad 50mm FLE and Mirex adapter

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    David

    I have the 16-35mm EF here, latest version, looks to be a very nice lens, but the image circle is smaller than the Nikon 14-24mm.

    I hope the Tamron 15-30mm arrives soon, This looks to be the best candidate to be a match for the Nikon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandonbossi View Post
    Daf,

    I would also be really interested to hear about how you go with the Hasselblad 50mm FLE and Mirex adapter
    I had to return the Hasselblad 50 CFI due to lens alignement, i'll have to find a new one ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    David

    I have the 16-35mm EF here, latest version, looks to be a very nice lens, but the image circle is smaller than the Nikon 14-24mm.

    I hope the Tamron 15-30mm arrives soon, This looks to be the best candidate to be a match for the Nikon.

    Greetings from Germany
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    I very interested by your finding with the 16-35f4, as i prefer the range for interior shoot than 11-24 or 14-24 ...
    Could you share some info regarding the shift ablities @17 @24 @35, then if there is some room i'll rent one to check for sharpness and distorsion.

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Hey guys,

    I just registered to this forum because I'm very interested in this 14-24 tilt-shift solution.

    I just mounted my existing 14-24 and a Sony A7R onto a view camera to see what happens.

    This is what I got so far:
    https://mail.leads-it.de/owncloud/in...SrNTX/download

    It is 3 images stitched together. Everything right to the green line is the regular view from the 14-24 @ 24mm, approximate aperture f/8. Next I shifted the camera 10mm and I get the image part between the red and the green line. The far out part is from a 15mm shift. I focussed on infinity, and I focussed in the far out area to get the sharpest possible image in that shifted area.
    This is made with the regular lens, no lens shade cut off!

    (Sorry for not having photographed something more appealing... )

    The image vignettes, of course. But that shifted area gets also very blurry and smeary!

    Question: Will it become substantially better, once the lens shade is cut off? Because, honestly, my 24mm PC-E does much better, and if this is it, the whole 14-24 shift idea is not very attractive any more.

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    Yes, I have to agree as well..

    I am still very interested in this adapter but purely for using it with my Canon 24mm
    TS-E II as well as medium format lenses...

    The idea of the 14-24mm is nice in theory but I believe you will get less distortion and more shift using dedicated tilt/shift lenses.. Also, the ability to stitch with Stefans adapter whilst still having movements on the lens is very appealing!

    Now we just need to get some electronic whizz to hack apart a Canon Eos - Nex adapter (Metabones, Viltrox etc etc) and have this working to have aperture control with the adapter

    That would indeed be awesome!

    Is this beyond the realm of possibility? I realize that it is extremely difficult due to the adapter moving/rotating but what about if the electronics sat outside of the adapter and it was just the contact points on either end?

    Might be impossible I guess.. That is one area where I do see the Cambo Actus being awesome when they finally release the Canon Eos front plate that has electronic aperture control... It is a bigger/slower setup than Stefans version though...

    Just a thought, I have no idea about something like this but it would be nice

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by mandonbossi View Post

    The idea of the 14-24mm is nice in theory but I believe you will get less distortion and more shift using dedicated tilt/shift lenses.. Also, the ability to stitch with Stefans adapter whilst still having movements on the lens is very appealing!
    I will write about this very thing in my upcoming review -- with Stefan's adapter the way it allows camera side and lens side rotations, you can get virtually any movement you can in a view camera with a PC-E or TS-E lens mounted up front -- so tilt and swing with rise and shift for example, all independently adjustable. The only "limitation" are the rotation "indents" on the lenses and H-Cam, but of course you can go in-between those on both systems.
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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I will write about this very thing in my upcoming review -- with Stefan's adapter the way it allows camera side and lens side rotations, you can get virtually any movement you can in a view camera with a PC-E or TS-E lens mounted up front -- so tilt and swing with rise and shift for example, all independently adjustable. The only "limitation" are the rotation "indents" on the lenses and H-Cam, but of course you can go in-between those on both systems.
    I look forward to it, Jack. There are a few specific applications I have in mind to use Stefan's adapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandonbossi View Post
    Yes, I have to agree as well..

    I am still very interested in this adapter but purely for using it with my Canon 24mm
    TS-E II as well as medium format lenses...

    The idea of the 14-24mm is nice in theory but I believe you will get less distortion and more shift using dedicated tilt/shift lenses.. Also, the ability to stitch with Stefans adapter whilst still having movements on the lens is very appealing!

    Now we just need to get some electronic whizz to hack apart a Canon Eos - Nex adapter (Metabones, Viltrox etc etc) and have this working to have aperture control with the adapter

    That would indeed be awesome!

    Is this beyond the realm of possibility? I realize that it is extremely difficult due to the adapter moving/rotating but what about if the electronics sat outside of the adapter and it was just the contact points on either end?

    Might be impossible I guess.. That is one area where I do see the Cambo Actus being awesome when they finally release the Canon Eos front plate that has electronic aperture control... It is a bigger/slower setup than Stefans version though...

    Just a thought, I have no idea about something like this but it would be nice
    Using Tse with large shift, you'll need f11 or 16 You Can set it once and keep it like this for long(my24tse is always set to 11)...if You need to change often the aperture then having a second body(even a basic nex do the job) with the metabones is a very Fast operation(you Just have to switch the lens from one body to the other,set the aperture and put it back)...not a big deal.

    Regarding the 14-24, samples i've seen were sharp...it think you're right it probably cannot remplace tse lenses...but having a Wa Ts Zoom sound pretty cool! ...i'm now thinking adding one of those to my kit for interior shooting but i would prefer longer range as 16-35 or 15-30.

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Been a little confused on the Canon mount here. So the aperture blade does not open back up to its widest aperture with the Metabones. In essence take a shot on a second body at F11 than remove it from there and put on to this adapter and it holds at F11. Seriously I don't want to buy more glass. Now let me ask a another question. This will not work with the new Sony Zeiss 35mm 1.4 lens with a aperture ring built in because of the lens flange distance is to short now. Only on DSLR style lenses where you use the adapter distance for this device. Here is my interest is my Canon 24TSe where I could use tilt and shift on the lens but with adapter I could do rise and fall at the same time. Correct
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    There is a bouton on the metabones , push this button when You mount the lens on it ..you're now shooting stop down..removing the lens from the metabones ...the lens stay closed at the latest aperture selected...easy

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    Of course no FE lenses adaptable due to focalflange...if You only need tilt then the 35art is a good candidat, shooting it at 4 or 5,6 with 1degree tilt can make all the landscape Sharp Sharp
    but unfortunatly no room for shift(possible but soft corner).
    If You need shift the contax 35pc distagon is really good @5,6 straight @f8 up to 8mm shift @f11 up to 12mm @f16 up to 15mm/20mm if You remove latéral ca.

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    Daf,
    Nice idea with regards to having a spare "Sony Nex" body to change the aperture.. I have been doing what you have been doing and keeping the lens at a set aperture (f16) but to change, I have been putting it back on the A7R/metabones which is a little bit more of a hassle..

    Are you using your 24mm TS-E for exteriors only? Does using f11 give you enough front to back sharpness? Does the same apply for interiors or do you need to stop down a bit more?

    Do you use the Canon 17mm TS-E in your work at all?




    Stefan,
    You mention using the Canon FD 50mm 1.2 L and it having 10mm of shift, is this area a "sharp" part of the image circle (useable)?

    I have seen a few lenses that have much bigger image circles than what they are advertised but that area is not sharp enough to be used?

    I would love to see some examples with the Canon 50mm FD 1.2 L

    I was looking at getting the Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art in Nikon mount (so that I would still have basic aperture control with an adapter) as I know that has the ability for a small amount of "useable shift".

    If the Canon FD 50mm 1.2 L was close to being as sharp as the Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art and it allowed for much more movement, I would be in for sure...


    Thanks again, look forward to hearing some more

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    So I am very close to ordering one of these adapters I think..

    One question I did have, is whether or not there might be any issues with internal reflection from the adapter when using it with lenses with large image circles (Nikon 14-24mm, Canon TS-E's, Medium Format).

    I know this was an issue with the Metabones adapter when using the Canon TS-E lenses and something that has been covered in depth..

    Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses - FM Forums

    so am just thinking, if this was an issue with the Metabones and the solution was to "flock it" with material, might we be expected to have to do the same? As far as I can see, this would be much harder to do due to the moving parts in this adapter..

    Any thoughts?


    Am looking forward to your review Jack..

    Thanks a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallpaperviking View Post
    So I am very close to ordering one of these adapters I think..

    One question I did have, is whether or not there might be any issues with internal reflection from the adapter when using it with lenses with large image circles (Nikon 14-24mm, Canon TS-E's, Medium Format).

    I know this was an issue with the Metabones adapter when using the Canon TS-E lenses and something that has been covered in depth..

    Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses - FM Forums

    so am just thinking, if this was an issue with the Metabones and the solution was to "flock it" with material, might we be expected to have to do the same? As far as I can see, this would be much harder to do due to the moving parts in this adapter..

    Any thoughts?


    Am looking forward to your review Jack..

    Thanks a lot.
    You are right, i have seen some of the same kind of flare as with the metabones 3...but only when no lenshood mounted. I always shoot with a leefilter widelenshood, and then i have not encontoured any problem! Even Just a flag or your hand can remove it, but i'm often working in interior with multidirectional lights so the leefilter lenshood is a quicker safer option...

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    Hi Daf,
    Are you saying that you have seen flare issues with the Metabones V3 as well as your newly acquired "Hcam Master" adapter?

    Or just the Metabones V3 so far?

    Thanks again, much appreciated!

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    In my test above, I think I made a fatal mistake: I didn't care for the exact flange distance from the Nikon mount to the Sony sensor. I repeated my test today, pre-focussed the 14-24 on my Nikon camera, carefully mounted the lens to the Cambo Actus, focussed the Sony on the rail, and – voila! – I got some decent sharp results all over the image circle.

    The HCam adapter is a lot more foolproof in that regard, of course. Nevertheless I guess the Actus will give even more possibilities. E.g. I can use a broader range of MF and LF lenses without own focussing mechnisms, and I plan to mount ND and polarizer filters on the back side of the lens, that'll substitute those huge and expensive filter solutions for the 14-24. Screw-in ND-grads should also be possible and adjustable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallpaperviking View Post
    Hi Daf,
    Are you saying that you have seen flare issues with the Metabones V3 as well as your newly acquired "Hcam Master" adapter?

    Or just the Metabones V3 so far?

    Thanks again, much appreciated!

    With all of them
    (the metabones 4 is the more resistant one from my experience)

    I've only seen this happened when no hood on the lens, with large shift, and a strong light on the side of the lens at approx 80degree from the shooting axe.
    And i've been shooting with all of them in interior (shop/hotel) with many multidirectional lights, even with very strong front light, and i've never encontoured any issue that could not be removed by just shading the lens

    In fact, i've learn photography as a studio assistant, so i always take a big care of flare, by cuting all the possible light entry to the front of the lens ...

    A simple flag, your hands, or a lenshood remove it totally, that why i have never worry about it...

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by joelorbita View Post
    Daf,

    Stefan,
    You mention using the Canon FD 50mm 1.2 L and it having 10mm of shift, is this area a "sharp" part of the image circle (useable)?

    I have seen a few lenses that have much bigger image circles than what they are advertised but that area is not sharp enough to be used?

    I would love to see some examples with the Canon 50mm FD 1.2 L

    I was looking at getting the Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art in Nikon mount (so that I would still have basic aperture control with an adapter) as I know that has the ability for a small amount of "useable shift".

    If the Canon FD 50mm 1.2 L was close to being as sharp as the Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art and it allowed for much more movement, I would be in for sure...


    Thanks again, look forward to hearing some more
    I have a 1,2/85mm Canon FD-L and a 1,2/55mm.
    Both are very sharp, if as sharp or sharper than the ART I can´t say.
    Overall: my theory is the bigger the f stop and the larger the lenses are , the better the chance for additional movements with good quality.

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    Re: Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    I have a 1,2/85mm Canon FD-L and a 1,2/55mm.
    Both are very sharp, if as sharp or sharper than the ART I can´t say.
    Overall: my theory is the bigger the f stop and the larger the lenses are , the better the chance for additional movements with good quality.

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    Wow! All the samples I have seen from the ART series appear to show them very sharp while those of the FD lenses fuzzy.

    Any samples to share, Stefan?

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    Hi Vivek

    sure - here is a portrait I did - this is open aperture 1,2/85mm FD-L
    A7R 36Mpix.On the right there is a 100% cutout from the suit´s fabric.
    I think that is pretty good for a 30 years old lens.

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