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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    Hi David
    Wonderful picture!
    What are your considerations between the A7S and the A7II, apart from sheer sensorsize, better details, with the 16-35?
    It still seems like the 7S contribute with more and stronger 3-dimensional feeling, and looking at the "comparometer" at ImagingResource, it looks like the 7II is 3 stops down to the 7S. The S seems to manage 12.800 rather well, and with the 7II, it seems like you have to go down to 1.600 iso to get the same quality.
    But then there is the IBIS in the 7II, and does it offer this together with the OSS in the 16-35?, compared to just the OSS on the 7S...? And how is that?
    (but I don't know if you at all are in need of those high iso's)
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    We are told by Sony the A7II along with FE OSS lenses work in some sort of combination of the 2, whether you will be able to see any difference in the handling I have no idea.
    As to image difference between the A7s and A7 II for me it is to early to tell but as the A7II has the same sensor and I believe the same processing engine as the A7I presume that what I had seen before will be valid. And that is that I feel that the A7s gives a more subtle file for B&W conversions with a greater tonal range.
    From what I see from the 16-35 it is a winner on the A7 mkII which isn't so much the case with the 24-70 on the A7 but the 24-70 almost seems to be a different lens when mounted on the A7s. I think I will find myself using the A7II more for landscape work where I like to have more MP's and the A7s for PR and street work where I want to be able to use higher shutter speeds to freeze movement and consequently the higher iso range is very useful.

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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Quote Originally Posted by Viramati View Post
    We are told by Sony the A7II along with FE OSS lenses work in some sort of combination of the 2, whether you will be able to see any difference in the handling I have no idea.
    As to image difference between the A7s and A7 II for me it is to early to tell but as the A7II has the same sensor and I believe the same processing engine as the A7I presume that what I had seen before will be valid. And that is that I feel that the A7s gives a more subtle file for B&W conversions with a greater tonal range.
    From what I see from the 16-35 it is a winner on the A7 mkII which isn't so much the case with the 24-70 on the A7 but the 24-70 almost seems to be a different lens when mounted on the A7s. I think I will find myself using the A7II more for landscape work where I like to have more MP's and the A7s for PR and street work where I want to be able to use higher shutter speeds to freeze movement and consequently the higher iso range is very useful.
    Thorkil, David, it is interesting reading your feelings about the A7S giving the better B&W conversion. I feel that as well. Some speculate that the blue channel is stronger in the "S." I can say having all the channels well represented does give me a lot more latitude in the conversions.

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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Cold dark morning in NY last week. Shot this at 16mm at F7.1 at a 1/60th ISO 200

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    Im buying this lens no doubt about it. Just waiting on cash. LOL
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    Okay its done be here Wednesday.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    cash...credit...rolling pin upside the head...it's all good.

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    Agree. Just need to go dig that baseball helmet out of the closet. I can hear the wind of the bat now. LOL
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Im buying this lens no doubt about it. Just waiting on cash. LOL
    By my reckoning, it took you a little over two hours to find the cash. That's a lot of dough to find in a sock drawer.

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    Secret stash. Lol

    I sold my big printer
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    I'm new to the Sony A7 series. Does anyone know how this lens compares to the FE 24-70 at 24mm and 35mm? Trying to decide which one to get first.

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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    From all that I know from renting and/or owning both of them. At 24mm the 16-35 is better and at 35mm the 24-70 is better. Most zooms its either the wide end or the long end will be the worst performers and usually the wide is it but in this case the 16-35 is better in the 16-28 range and the 24-70 is better in the 28-60 range. It has issues on both ends. Which actually is pretty typical. Are they really bad , no but you will have to stop down. The 24-70 distorts pretty heavy on the 24 side. Overall as a zoom. I think most folks would say the stronger one is the 16-35, why i decided to buy it. I do need a good 35mm focal length and i am going to address that with a prime at some point. But I want to fully test my 16-35 coming before I make a call on that. I did rent it two weeks ago and liked the lens.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    From all that I know from renting and/or owning both of them. At 24mm the 16-35 is better and at 35mm the 24-70 is better. Most zooms its either the wide end or the long end will be the worst performers and usually the wide is it but in this case the 16-35 is better in the 16-28 range and the 24-70 is better in the 28-60 range. It has issues on both ends. Which actually is pretty typical. Are they really bad , no but you will have to stop down. The 24-70 distorts pretty heavy on the 24 side. Overall as a zoom. I think most folks would say the stronger one is the 16-35, why i decided to buy it. I do need a good 35mm focal length and i am going to address that with a prime at some point. But I want to fully test my 16-35 coming before I make a call on that. I did rent it two weeks ago and liked the lens.
    That's pretty well my conclusion also Guy.
    16-35mm = 16-28mm for me
    Add a fast 35mm prime + the lightweight 55mm FE instead of the 24-70mm as that's only really good up to 60mm anyway....Cheers Barry
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Quote Originally Posted by mrmugman View Post
    I'm new to the Sony A7 series. Does anyone know how this lens compares to the FE 24-70 at 24mm and 35mm? Trying to decide which one to get first.
    Well my findings with an A7 are a Little different than Guys and I can only talk about some few unscientific comparison shots between the 2 lenses and from using the 24-70 for 4 weeks now on the A7s and A7:

    I found the 16-35 at 35mm clearly worse than the 24-70 - so much that I would say not really acceptable at that focal length and f-stop.
    Could not see much difference at 28mm.
    At 24mm the 16-35 seems better in the Corners than the 24-70, but the 24-70 seems still really usable for me. I say the 24-70 is clearly better at 24mm than the 16-35 at 35mm.

    The 24-70 has more distotion (quite a bit) but LR can correct it and it seems not to have too much influence to IQ.

    SO IMO ist about what range you Need. if 24mm is wide enough I would prefer the 24-70, if you shoot a lot 24mm and wider I would go for the 16-35.
    For me I shoot a lot in the 28-70 range and the 24-70 works very well there, and at 24mm it is still acceptable. Thats why I will stay with the 24-70 for now. I want flexibility in this range, even though I also have the 35 and 55 primes for lower light or shallower DOF.
    24-70 is my goto lens. Maybe I am lucky and have a very good sample of it.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Tom not sure we where different here. I think we pretty much said the same just said it differently. My point on the 24-70 was more at 24mm it does distort a lot but the setting is still pretty good as you say its just that the distortion is pretty heavy, why I kind of said the 28-60 range but I agree the both are not great at there long end. Which I was hoping the 16-35 was good at 35. I'll just get a prime there
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Also totally agree on sample variation on the 24-70. That issue has been all over the map since its intro. I'm still tempted to own it since the 28 and 35 settings are good and what I'm after. But I'm leaning more for the 35 prime
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    Well, I was all set to order the 16-35 but now B&H is out of stock! Maybe I'll go for the 55 1.8 in the meantime. Everyone seems to agree that is a fantastic lens.
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    Love that lens. You can't go wrong, and it's an absolute MUST for any Sony kit.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    A few more shots with the FE 16-35 taken from the Toronto waterfront. All handheld except last image.

    f/8, 16mm, 1/15sec, ISO 100:


    f/5.6, 19mm, 1/60sec, ISO 500:


    f/5.6, 17mm, 1/60sec, ISO 500:


    f/11, 19mm, 1/10sec, ISO 100, Tripod:

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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Also totally agree on sample variation on the 24-70. That issue has been all over the map since its intro. I'm still tempted to own it since the 28 and 35 settings are good and what I'm after. But I'm leaning more for the 35 prime
    Hi there...I own both the 35 prime and the 2470 and the zoom gets much more use. It might be different if the prime was f2.0.

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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Yes my issue would be the F4. Fastest lens starts at 50 1.4 so I don't have anything wider that is faster. What I may do is find something in 35f2 until Sonys 28f2 comes out. I would get more use out of the 28mm. Maybe even buy the Minolta 28mm F 2 for the time being as it is said to be very good and it would be cheaper than any other fast 35 F 2 right now. So that maybe a good option. I really need to get out and test my 16-35 and also my 24TSe although it looks great but I also have yet to test my 50 1.4 ZA lens either. Been too busy but I may sneak out when the sun comes up today. It's still early here
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Good morning folks.
    Question about this lens.
    I am a total newb, when it comes to Sony7s.
    I shoot lots of real estate images.using my D800e and 17-35
    Is this the lens that I should consider or perhaps the 10-18..and I would love some input as to the specific 7 I should attach to it
    Lots of bodies to chose from.

    I dont do a lot of moving subjects..Mostly things standing still
    Any input is appreciated.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Quote Originally Posted by TEAM KEN View Post
    Good morning folks.
    Question about this lens.
    I am a total newb, when it comes to Sony7s.
    I shoot lots of real estate images.using my D800e and 17-35
    Is this the lens that I should consider or perhaps the 10-18..and I would love some input as to the specific 7 I should attach to it
    Lots of bodies to chose from.

    I dont do a lot of moving subjects..Mostly things standing still
    Any input is appreciated.
    KEN
    10-18 is for aps-c cameras, not full frame. It can be used on FF but the edges are not good.

    As for which A7 body? If you need 36MP, get the A7R- it has the same sensor as your D800e. If you shoot mostly handheld, consider the A7II, with IBIS. Take a look over at the DPReview forums and you will get all kinds of advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEAM KEN View Post
    Good morning folks.
    Question about this lens.
    I am a total newb, when it comes to Sony7s.
    I shoot lots of real estate images.using my D800e and 17-35
    Is this the lens that I should consider or perhaps the 10-18..and I would love some input as to the specific 7 I should attach to it
    Lots of bodies to chose from.

    I dont do a lot of moving subjects..Mostly things standing still
    Any input is appreciated.
    KEN
    In addition, if your real estate photography involves interiors, the A7s might be a good option. The mpx should be plenty enough if most/all of your images are posted online or for brochures/sales sheets. The awesome low light sensitivity of this camera means even the darkest rooms will look great with natural light.

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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Well, I really do not need the 16~35 Zeiss for my A7R, as I have a beautiful 20mm f2.8 Minolta, and 28mm f2.8 Sony (same as the old Minolta 28mm), and the EA4 Adapter, plus the FE 35mm f2.8. Also have the wonderfully sharp 55 f1.8. But after re-reading this post (Darn you guys), I went to B&H site to see if it was in stock. It was 3:30 in the afternoon. When I clicked on the item, a note popped up: "Order before 4:00 PM, and you will have the lens tomorrow, free shipping" ! Darn them!! They MADE ME DO IT. I placed my order at 3:32 PM.
    Seriously, The above combo is great, but carrying three lenses plus adapter is less convenient. Not only switch lenses in the field (sometimes blowing sand and rain/snow) and taking out the adapter, taking off the adapter caps exposing the tender looking inards, and juggling rear caps, lenses etc, was getting old. Also, I dislike tripods, so the Optical Stabilization will be welcome. I also use a D800E; that camera and the Tamron 24~70 f2.8 VC lens has been my most productive lens producing a high rate of saleable "keepers" because of the VC.
    This is a great site...thanks all.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Dave - no worries. You are substituting three great lenses for one great lens. The only thing you are losing is bulk/weight and inconvenience.

    I'm still debating if I want to sell my FE35. It has a lot of image quality in a real tiny package, but now it's a bit redundant.

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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Thanks dandrewk. Bit of a dilemma, as I still have my complete Sony Alpha A900 DSLR system including camera body, Zeiss 16-35, Zeiss 24-70 and Sony G 70-300 lenses, and a bunch of Minolta legacy lenses. I have been holding on to them, as I had been patiently waiting for a higher Mp A mount DSLR from Sony. I am in the minority, but I still prefer optical finders to electronic finders. I got tired of waiting for Sony, so when the Nikon D800E was announced, I built another system. Makes no sense, but this is a hobby for me (I am 78 and retired), so I need not justify my vices.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    The 16-35mm lens was delivered yesterday. It came with a notice saying I should update the A7R firmware to version 1.02 or later. I had 1.01. I went to Sony's site and downloaded to my PC version 1.10, but I somehow really fouled up the upgrade and the camera went completely dead. I guess at my age, I sometimes get impatient, and don't follow instructions to the letter. In near panic mode, I re-downloaded the upgrade, then started the installation, apparently from scratch, as it took forever to install. All is well, the camera now works properly.
    Best regards from NJ seashore.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Interesting... I didn't see a note about that with my new 16-35. I'm sure my FW is 1.01, because it hasn't been updated. Seems to be working fine, but I'll update the FW on the camera.

    Thanks for the note on this.


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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    With respect to the A7r firmware upgrades, I doubt Dave that you had finger trouble as it also took me three attempts with one of A7r's for the firmware update to complete correctly. It seems very sensitive to battery levels, way the wind blows, phase of the moon etc it seems to me. Compounded by each failure also sucking down the battery leading to a repeat fail.

    The 16-35 is definitely worth the trouble though.
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    I had problems updating firmware in both my A7 and A7R despite precisely following the instructions. I got the dreaded dead cam with the A7R, but kept trying and eventually it 'took'. A pretty awful process I have to say!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjm6 View Post
    Interesting... I didn't see a note about that with my new 16-35. I'm sure my FW is 1.01, because it hasn't been updated. Seems to be working fine, but I'll update the FW on the camera.

    Thanks for the note on this.


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    Hi Michael: My lens had the usual instruction pamphlets in different languages, but also a separate notice about 2"x3" in size (also in several languages) advising to update the firmware "for optimum use of this lens".
    So at age 78, maybe it was not just dummy me that had firmware update problems.
    Thanks all.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    The firmware update note is pretty blatant and as we all found out, actually out of date since 1.10 was the latest. I was very concerned that I'd bricked one my A7r's but as a software guy I'm pretty anal about RTFM and then following the steps exactly as documented and I still hit the update unreliability. It should be idiot (ie me) proof.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Here are a few handheld shots taken with the FE 16-35 and A7II:










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    Well the new 16~35 arrived. I keep the A7R and several lenses in our car trunk, as it makes a wonderful high res light weight kit. Glad I had it with me Saturday Feb 7 2015, as my bride and I went out for Happy Hour at a local pub to celebrate our 56th wedding anniversary. Across the street from the pub was a sunset to help us celebrate! A7R, 16-35, ISO 400, monopod, lens at 23mm f11. My hands were freezing, but worth it
    Thanks for looking, I think so far the lens is a keeper.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Anyone here having both this 16-35 and the Sony Vario-Tessar T* FE 24-70mm f/4 ZA OSS Lens?
    At 24mm which has the superior IQ?
    Thanks in advanced.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    Anyone here having both this 16-35 and the Sony Vario-Tessar T* FE 24-70mm f/4 ZA OSS Lens?
    At 24mm which has the superior IQ?
    Thanks in advanced.
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    Just read the thread above and you will find the answer.

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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    I compare at 35mm the FE 16-35mm f4 at F5.6 with 3 other lenses with the same settings. SZ 24-70mm f4, SZ 35mm f2.8 and Minolta MD 35-70mm. I took pictures on tripod of a cover book placed at the center of the frame. The 35mm f2.8 shows clearly aliasing and more details. The 16-35mm is not far, the third is the Minolta and the last the 24-70mm with no aliasing and less details. For each lens two pictures were taken, the first using AF and pressing the trigger (the exposure time was either 1/750 or 1/1000). The second picture was shoot using manual focus and IR remote control. The focus accuracy seems as important as the lens "sharpness".
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    My FE16-35 is sharper than my FE24-70 at 24 mm and sharper than my ZA 24-70 at 24 mm. This is no surprise as 24 is the middle of the range for the 16-35 but the extreme end for the other two. Can't comment on the SZ as I don't have any.
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    Sony FE 16-35 shot at 16mm - Albuquerque Super Nationals


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    Just sent back my first copy of the FE 16-35. Corners were unacceptably soft. Also sending back a first copy of the 55 1.8, which was much softer than my FE 35. This is frustrating and not a little discouraging having to do this every time I buy a new Sony lens. The only one I received that hasn't gone back for a 2nd or 3rd try is the FE 35. That lens is excellent. I prefer to stay with system lenses for the faster AF, but the sharpest lens I've used on my A7r so far is my 30 year old Contax/Zeiss 35-70 3.4.
    So is a good copy of the 16-35 worth the hassle? Reading this thread makes me think so.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    My first 16-35/4 was, and is, excellent. I returned my 24-70/4 and 70-200/4 as they were soft and decentered, respectively. I have not replaced those, as I hate lens roulette. For the prices that Sony asks for their Zeiss and G lines, they have terrible quality control.

    A good 16-35/4, though, is the best zoom I've ever used. On the A7II, it is better than any prime in its focal range I have tried, whether C/Y 21/2.8 and 28/2.8, Leica 35/2, or Minolta 28/2. Granted, those are wider aperture, but if you're stopping down to at least f/4, the zoom is - astonishingly - the best optically on the A7 (the WATE may be a better lens but not, it seems, on the Sony bodies). The Sony 55/1.8 is probably sharper - I know the Leica 50/2 is, but that's a different FoV.

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    Here are two shots made with the 16-35mm only a few seconds apart. The wider shot was at 23mm focal length, the tighter shot at 35mm. Both shot at f11. Actual pixels on screen shows the 23mm shot is definitely sharper, center and edges than the 35mm shot. At 23mm it is very crisp. At 35mm, it is softer, but certainly useable and should make a decent 20"x30".YMMV.
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    Exactly why I want a good 35 prime one for speed but better IQ but below 35mm I'll take this zoom anyday of the week.
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    2nd FE 16-35 looks much better after some quick tests at lunch. This one is a keeper I think, even 35 looks pretty good, but 16-28 is very good.
    And I love the dynamic range of this A7r sensor.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Exactly why I want a good 35 prime one for speed but better IQ but below 35mm I'll take this zoom anyday of the week.
    Just shoot at 34mm and crop slightly

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    I agree with Guy. I carry the tiny Zeiss 35mm f2.8 FE. The night I shot the icy sunsets, I did not have the 35mm in my pocket, and it was too cold to change lenses anyway, but at 35mm it is acceptably sharp. Of course, everyone has their own standards of what is acceptably sharp. I'm an amateur, so my standards are probably different than many of yours. The fact that the 35mm is only f2.8 is no problem for me. Most of my stuff is at F11 or f13. Actually, small and pocketable is way more important to me than an extra stop or two of speed. I also carry the 55mm f1.8 Zeiss, and an A mount 90mm f2.8 Tamron Macro with the LAE4 adapter attached to the lens. A great light weight travel kit: 16-35mm, 35mm, 55mm, and 90mm.
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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    Anyone here having both this 16-35 and the Sony Vario-Tessar T* FE 24-70mm f/4 ZA OSS Lens?
    At 24mm which has the superior IQ?
    Thanks in advanced.
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    the samples I have owned at medium distance the 16-35 was very slightly better in the corners. not that much difference. In comparisn i found the 16-35 considerably worse at 35mm, why I returned the 16-35" But I assume to not have the best sample of 1634 and I assume to have a good sample of the 2470.

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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    I don't know what's wrong with mine. It does not degenerate near 35mm. I just did whole series of MTF measurements expecting to document the falloff and the results are stupidly even:



    This is at 20 feet, so nothing like infinity, but still...

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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    Here is photozone review:
    Carl-Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* FE 16-35mm f/4 ZA OSS ( Sony SEL1635Z ) - Review / Test Report

    The resolution characteristic varies a bit but it's generally pretty impressive. The center quality is nothing short of outstanding and it's a safe bet to state that it easily exceeds the capabilities of the 36mp sensor at mainstream settings here. In the low to mid range the border quality is also very good to excellent and even the corners are sharp. Unfortunately the 35mm setting isn't quite as impressive. While the center is still fine, and even superb at f/5.6 and f/8, the corners are soft at large aperture settings. However, to be fair - they recover nicely till f/8 so from a real world perspective this may be less relevant. Diffraction has an impact from f/11 onward.

    The (focus-)field curvature is quite pronounced at 16mm at f/4 & f/5.6 so the corners can be pushed out-of-focus in real life situations. However, the curvature flattens when stopping down. The effect has decreased significantly at 20mm already. Residual spherical aberrations (focus shifts) are not an issue.

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    Re: Sony FE 16-35/f4

    You know, it might be field curvature at 35mm. I don't have a giant target or $100,000 in test equipment, so I was focusing on the point I question - center, side, or corner. This completely removes field curvature effects.

    Or I got a better lens than any reviewer? Possible, I suppose. My personal success rate with Sony lenses is 1 out of 3.

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