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    C1-Sony support

    I think this is very interesting news for Sony users:

    Capture One (for Sony)

    Even tethered shooting with A7 series and A99/A77 II

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    I'm curious if they fixed stability issues as C1v7 was horrible for me and expanded lens support beyond the 55FE.
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    Re: C1-Sony support

    I have been using the beta but I have not tried tethering yet. But all my cams are now supported . I will upgrade today
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    Re: C1-Sony support

    They had a few lens profiles in the beta but not sure on final. Usually this is added last
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    Yeah I opted out of the Beta invite out of frustration with version 7 but maybe I will see what this offers.
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    Re: C1-Sony support

    For folks going to 8, I'd be very interested to know if FE profiles are now provided.

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    Damn I actually have to buy the upgrade.
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    Re: C1-Sony support

    OK, so I hook up the A7r to C1 pro V8, set the USB connection to PC Remote and C1 sees the camera. It will snap a shot. Nothing else works. No LV, no shutter or exposure control, can't set ISO or WB, etc. I must be doing something wrong as this is useless.

    Anyone got this to work? My support guys are at Photokina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunim View Post
    OK, so I hook up the A7r to C1 pro V8, set the USB connection to PC Remote and C1 sees the camera. It will snap a shot. Nothing else works. No LV, no shutter or exposure control, can't set ISO or WB, etc. I must be doing something wrong as this is useless.

    Anyone got this to work? My support guys are at Photokina.
    Doing what it's supposed to be doing?

    "Currently not possible to change camera settings while shooting tethered"
    Capture One Express (for Sony) camera support

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    Re: C1-Sony support

    Quote Originally Posted by mbroomfield View Post
    Doing what it's supposed to be doing?

    "Currently not possible to change camera settings while shooting tethered"
    Capture One Express (for Sony) camera support
    So it's useless until normal tethering functionality is actually added.
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    Live view is a "Camera setting"?

    I did know about the camera controls (though I was hoping to at least futz with ISO), but the LV thing is a shock. Why release this?

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    Yes, it seems useless to me. It doesn't mention liveview so we don't know if it's supposed to or not.

    They seems to be "selling" it on lens profiles. No good for me as I don't use any native lenses ...

    "Capture One Express (for Sony) includes tailor-made camera profiles that are renowned for providing ultimate image quality for leading digital cameras.

    Each camera is tested and fine tuned extensively by our image quality team to create a bespoke profile that brings out the very best in your camera."

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    Re: C1-Sony support

    Is this express any different for Sony cams than the regular Pro version. That's what I need to know
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    Re: C1-Sony support

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Is this express any different for Sony cams than the regular Pro version. That's what I need to know
    The way I understand is that there is a Capture One Express Sony, a Capture One Pro Sony, and a Capture One Pro 8.
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    Re: C1-Sony support

    Thats crazy.
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    I just downloaded the C1P Sony version and unfortunately, the only FE lens profile I see is for the kit lens. I would be happy if someone told me that I'm not looking in the right place.

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    Re: C1-Sony support

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    The way I understand is that there is a Capture One Express Sony, a Capture One Pro Sony, and a Capture One Pro 8.
    May one assume that Capture One Pro 8 includes the functionality of Capture One Pro Sony and that includes the functionality of Capture One Express Sony?
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    May one assume that Capture One Pro 8 includes the functionality of Capture One Pro Sony and that includes the functionality of Capture One Express Sony?
    I'd assume so. Capture One Pro Sony is only a $30 upgrade from Capture One Express Sony. It's a good value I supposed if you ONLY use Sony cameras and don't need the extra bloat I suppose.

    Now if they'd just add lens support and make it function well out of the box...
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    Thats what I am assuming as well guys. Pro has it all which I need anyway
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    Re: C1-Sony support

    Lack of tether support has stopped my jumping on the A7R band wagon but this might change all that. So, apart from LV and camera controls (which I don't use) does the tethered capture work as smoothly as when shooting a Phase back or Canon DSLR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Lack of tether support has stopped my jumping on the A7R band wagon but this might change all that. So, apart from LV and camera controls (which I don't use) does the tethered capture work as smoothly as when shooting a Phase back or Canon DSLR?
    Gazwas, I am not sure what you mean. The Sony tethered capture works smoothly, in the same way that hippos dance smoothly. C1 doesn't even try to tether the Sony, just as your average hippo avoids the 2-step. That's probably because, in both cases, the results would be ugly.

    Far as I can tell, all C1 does with the A7 is trigger the shutter. That's it. That's all of it. The Sony iPhone app actually gives you live view for focus, a review image to check, and control over shutter and f-stop. Maybe the Danes can hire the Sony guy to write their function.

    Best hold off on that A7 until Phase get their ducks in a row. I expect they will implement Sony tethering at some point but I am feeling a bit manipulated by all of this hoo-hah over a trigger pulse.

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    Re: C1-Sony support

    There's this plug-in for LR5 as well. I don't know how well it works myself but I believe Frank Doorhof mentioned it on his site in the past. It's another tethering option for Sony cameras.

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    Can I just ask you folks about C1 "screen behaviour"? The main reason I ditched the software long ago was this:

    Making a change, say clarity or anything the likes, the moment you started picking and moving the slider would cause the screen to blur the picture until you had your slider positioned and let it go.

    Now, in fairness, I dropped C1 with Version 4.8.2 because of that and did not look back. So it might well be that this has been solved long time, but back then when I spoke with phase about it, calling a spade a spade, I said there are easier ways to ruin my eyesight, and they said this is due to the way the algorithm is calculating and can not be changed.

    Hence I am curious whether this is still the same behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunim View Post
    Gazwas, I am not sure what you mean. The Sony tethered capture works smoothly, in the same way that hippos dance smoothly. C1 doesn't even try to tether the Sony, just as your average hippo avoids the 2-step. That's probably because, in both cases, the results would be ugly.

    Far as I can tell, all C1 does with the A7 is trigger the shutter. That's it. That's all of it. The Sony iPhone app actually gives you live view for focus, a review image to check, and control over shutter and f-stop. Maybe the Danes can hire the Sony guy to write their function.

    Best hold off on that A7 until Phase get their ducks in a row. I expect they will implement Sony tethering at some point but I am feeling a bit manipulated by all of this hoo-hah over a trigger pulse.
    I don't use all that fancy stuff like camera control or LV when in the studio so I'm not too bothered if that works yet. What is important to me is that if I click the camera shutter button the image appears on the monitor relativly quickly as Phase and Canon cameras function. Is that how the A7R now dunctions in C1 Pro 8?

    I don't want the watch folder type approach where you always need to manually select the last image and then apply any adjustments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    What is important to me is that if I click the camera shutter button the image appears on the monitor relativly quickly as Phase and Canon cameras function. Is that how the A7R now dunctions in C1 Pro 8?
    Yes. Acquisition works as with a digital back minus the LV and other functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunim View Post
    The Sony tethered capture works smoothly, in the same way that hippos dance smoothly. C1 doesn't even try to tether the Sony, just as your average hippo avoids the 2-step.

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    I would not be looking at Capture one if tethered shooting is needed. Hopefully future cameras/upgrades will make this available/usable. Until then the Sony app is the only way to go.

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    I just use the hot folder feature in C1 and works pretty good with there camera app. Little slow but it works pretty nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterv View Post
    I think this is very interesting news for Sony users:

    Capture One (for Sony)

    Even tethered shooting with A7 series and A99/A77 II
    Am I right that Capture One has released a dedicated version of C1 for the Sony cameras and NOT included specific lens correction profiles for the native FE lenses? Are they serious?
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    Re: C1-Sony support

    I read the thread, but I still don't understand the difference between C1 Pro and C1 Pro for Sony.

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    Re: C1-Sony support

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_Green View Post
    I read the thread, but I still don't understand the difference between C1 Pro and C1 Pro for Sony.
    I think that the Sony version will be exactly the same as the complete version, with the exception that you would only be able to handle Sony files. If you have other cameras, you won't be able to handle their files.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    I think that the Sony version will be exactly the same as the complete version, with the exception that you would only be able to handle Sony files. If you have other cameras, you won't be able to handle their files.
    Yes, this is correct. I bought this last night for a whopping $30. As hcubell notes above, they still have work to do in terms of providing FE lens profiles other than the 28-70, but I really like what I'm getting out of my a7r files with C1P8-Sony.

    I wonder, though, why Phase has released a pro version of C18 specifically for Sony cameras. Sony and Phase have a biz relationship on the sensor side, but this suggests some other strategic relationship, and I wonder what that's all about, now and going forward.

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    We Need David Grover to clarify all this up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwood View Post
    Yes, this is correct. I bought this last night for a whopping $30. As hcubell notes above, they still have work to do in terms of providing FE lens profiles other than the 28-70, but I really like what I'm getting out of my a7r files with C1P8-Sony.

    I wonder, though, why Phase has released a pro version of C18 specifically for Sony cameras. Sony and Phase have a biz relationship on the sensor side, but this suggests some other strategic relationship, and I wonder what that's all about, now and going forward.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see C1 included in the next round of Sony cameras in lieu of Sony IDC. They had a similar relationship with Leica up until the rumors of the S2 started circling.

    I will say that they have to quickly support Sony Lenses and improve stability otherwise it'll be a bust for me. Releases shouldn't be as buggy/ glitchy as beta versions.

    Say what you will about Adobe, the subscriptions, or whether or not they have the best Raw converters - they do update and support new cameras and lenses frequently and early in the life cycle. I'm glad to see more companies are taking notice of Sony's innovation and phot products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    I think that the Sony version will be exactly the same as the complete version, with the exception that you would only be able to handle Sony files. If you have other cameras, you won't be able to handle their files.
    I believe it also includes support for Phase One family of MF cameras. At least I believe I read that somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised to see C1 included in the next round of Sony cameras in lieu of Sony IDC. They had a similar relationship with Leica up until the rumors of the S2 started circling.

    I will say that they have to quickly support Sony Lenses and improve stability otherwise it'll be a bust for me. Releases shouldn't be as buggy/ glitchy as beta versions.

    Say what you will about Adobe, the subscriptions, or whether or not they have the best Raw converters - they do update and support new cameras and lenses frequently and early in the life cycle. I'm glad to see more companies are taking notice of Sony's innovation and phot products.
    Like you, I wouldn't be surprised if a version of C1 (Express?) started showing up in Sony camera shipments. But Phase would not have needed to release a Pro version for Sony cameras in order to do a bundle deal. I downloaded the C1P8 demo yesterday afternoon and a few hours later, bought the Sony Pro version for $30. Did I mention that it was $30? This is certainly an aggressive approach to get Sony users into the C1 camp. It's interesting.

    Yes, Phase really needs to put the hammer down on lens profile development. LR is WAY ahead on that front, and agree that Adobe is pretty good about staying on top of updating things for new cameras/glass. Speaking of LR, I've been a user from day one but I started getting up to speed on C1 Pro about a month or so ago, and for me, C1P's RAW conversion is really making the a7r files sing. I'm currently using a workflow that utilizes the best of both of these excellent tools to get the images I'm after. Thus far, C1 has been stable for me.

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    Yeah I tried C1Pro7 this summer and I like the results but the lack of lens support for Sony, the unclear nature of whether edits are nondestructive, plus all the niggling bugs kinda left me a little sour about the user experience as a whole. I used C1Express4 in the past with my Leica's prior to getting LR2 then later switching to Aperture 3. I definitely wouldn't mind having C1ProSony on a Surface Pro 3 for a tethered field or studio solution once it works as well as any other tethered camera.

    I still prefer LR or Aperture catalogs overall and the user experience myself as they just work without all the issues but I will say I can see an immediate improvement initially in C1... I can get the files to nearly indistinguishable in LR though I feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    I don't use all that fancy stuff like camera control or LV when in the studio so I'm not too bothered if that works yet. What is important to me is that if I click the camera shutter button the image appears on the monitor relativly quickly as Phase and Canon cameras function. Is that how the A7R now dunctions in C1 Pro 8?

    I don't want the watch folder type approach where you always need to manually select the last image and then apply any adjustments.
    Hi Everyone,

    Ok, lots of comments but I will start here with Gazwas as he has made a correct statement above. First of all the versions of Capture One are..

    Capture One Pro 8 - supports over 300 cameras, will tether without the need for additional software or hot folders, Nikon, Canon, Sony.

    Capture One Pro 8 (for Sony) - Only supports Sony cameras but has all the same features as Pro, and will tether sony cameras without the need for additional software etc etc.

    Capture One Express (for Sony) - Completely FREE version with fewer features then Pro but tethering ONLY possible if you use Sony Remote Camera Control with a hot folder. Next adjustments are not applied automatically like they are in PRO.

    So, yes, you are correct that currently you cannot adjust settings from Capture One, but that will change in the future. The implementation is as is for reasons of stability, reliability etc as this is a completely new way of tethering to Capture One with a new manufacturer.

    But, if you hit the shutter on the camera, it will load into Capture One nice and fast and apply the previous settings.

    Cost - wise if you want to upgrade the FREE express to Capture One Pro (for sony) its 30 bucks, which is an amazing price when you consider the price of Pro.

    Hope that clears up a few things.

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    With regards to lens corrections we read the EXIF data supplied by Sony in the RAW file for the attached lens and correct from there. (distortion / light fall off)

    You can additionally analyse for chromatic aberration which will improve it further and adjust purple fringing from 0-100%, and also place that on a local adjustment if you wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Georg Baumann View Post
    Can I just ask you folks about C1 "screen behaviour"? The main reason I ditched the software long ago was this:

    Making a change, say clarity or anything the likes, the moment you started picking and moving the slider would cause the screen to blur the picture until you had your slider positioned and let it go.

    Now, in fairness, I dropped C1 with Version 4.8.2 because of that and did not look back. So it might well be that this has been solved long time, but back then when I spoke with phase about it, calling a spade a spade, I said there are easier ways to ruin my eyesight, and they said this is due to the way the algorithm is calculating and can not be changed.

    Hence I am curious whether this is still the same behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Yeah I tried C1Pro7 this summer and I like the results but the lack of lens support for Sony, the unclear nature of whether edits are nondestructive, plus all the niggling bugs kinda left me a little sour about the user experience as a whole. I used C1Express4 in the past with my Leica's prior to getting LR2 then later switching to Aperture 3. I definitely wouldn't mind having C1ProSony on a Surface Pro 3 for a tethered field or studio solution once it works as well as any other tethered camera.

    I still prefer LR or Aperture catalogs overall and the user experience myself as they just work without all the issues but I will say I can see an immediate improvement initially in C1... I can get the files to nearly indistinguishable in LR though I feel.
    Its a RAW convertor - edits are non-destructive.

    Lens support as described above.

    Cataloging much improved in Capture One Pro 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwood View Post
    Like you, I wouldn't be surprised if a version of C1 (Express?) started showing up in Sony camera shipments. But Phase would not have needed to release a Pro version for Sony cameras in order to do a bundle deal. I downloaded the C1P8 demo yesterday afternoon and a few hours later, bought the Sony Pro version for $30. Did I mention that it was $30? This is certainly an aggressive approach to get Sony users into the C1 camp. It's interesting.

    Yes, Phase really needs to put the hammer down on lens profile development. LR is WAY ahead on that front, and agree that Adobe is pretty good about staying on top of updating things for new cameras/glass. Speaking of LR, I've been a user from day one but I started getting up to speed on C1 Pro about a month or so ago, and for me, C1P's RAW conversion is really making the a7r files sing. I'm currently using a workflow that utilizes the best of both of these excellent tools to get the images I'm after. Thus far, C1 has been stable for me.
    Yes, information on Capture One Express (for Sony) will be shipped with supported Sony cameras.

    Again, re lens profile development - see above!
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    David C18 Pro will do everything C1 8 Pro Sony version does. Including lens corrections and tethering . I need to upgrade my C1 8 Pro anyway and wanted to make sure it has all of the Sony stuff I need. I use other cams as well so I need full everything but wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Next week I need to review a Credo 50
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    Hi Guy,

    Yes you are correct. C18 Pro will do everything C18 Pro for Sony does.

    C18 Pro simply supports more cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Grover / Phase One View Post
    With regards to lens corrections we read the EXIF data supplied by Sony in the RAW file for the attached lens and correct from there. (distortion / light fall off)

    You can additionally analyse for chromatic aberration which will improve it further and adjust purple fringing from 0-100%, and also place that on a local adjustment if you wish.
    Hi David - so the basic lens correction is taking place automatically? Under the lens correction tool tab, does the setting want to be 'Generic' or 'Manufacturer Profile'? I'm guessing 'Manufacturer Profile', but would like to confirm that. And just to be clear here, you're saying that all current Sony FE lenses are now corrected in C1P8?

    Thanks for jumping in and responding to all of our questions? It's nice to get info. from the source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Grover / Phase One View Post
    Hi Guy,

    Yes you are correct. C18 Pro will do everything C18 Pro for Sony does.

    C18 Pro simply supports more cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwood View Post
    Hi David - so the basic lens correction is taking place automatically? Under the lens correction tool tab, does the setting want to be 'Generic' or 'Manufacturer Profile'? I'm guessing 'Manufacturer Profile', but would like to confirm that. And just to be clear here, you're saying that all current Sony FE lenses are now corrected in C1P8?

    Thanks for jumping in and responding to all of our questions? It's nice to get info. from the source.

    -Doug
    The setting would want to be Manufacturer Profile. Generic is just a really basic model for barrel distortion, so then you would have to tune it for your lens.

    So using Manufacturer Profile will be reading the EXIF data to make the lens correction in terms of Distortion and Light Fall off.

    Then you can adjust the sliders to suit. You might want to make a preset for how much distortion correction and light fall off correction you want. By default they are set to zero.

    The good thing is (as mentioned earlier) Capture One will examine Chromatic Aberration based on your lens and sensor combination as there will be some sample variation between lenses. You can do that as a batch, just select all and choose analyse. in the lens corrections tool.

    Plus you can dial in what Purple fringing you want too. To be honest I haven't seen much of that in the images I have shot so far.

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    PS. I guess the confusion arose that you can see the Sony FE 28-70 on the lens list. But I believe that is because we profiled it quite some time ago.
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    That is the confusion we visually only see one lens
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