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    Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    It's being more than two days since the official annoucement of the said "most waited" 7DMkII and no one has posted about it. Not yet anyway.
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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    Just my opinion, but I think Canon has 'lost the plot'. The 7D and the G7 both seem too little too late to me.

    (I have Nikon and Sony gear, but I was still hoping that Canon would introduce something exciting to keep everyone on their toes.)

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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    It's being more than two days since the official annoucement of the said "most waited" 7DMkII and no one has posted about it. Not yet anyway.
    Just saying
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    I don't know if they moved or if there's just not much enthusiasm for the cameras they've announced the last 5 years beyond the 6D and the 1Dx.

    My belief is that the updated Canon L glass is top of the pyramid for DSLR glass. I think many are still waiting on that rumored Nikon D8xx fighter to come that'll really take advantage of the lenses and the Zeiss ZE/ Otus glass as well.
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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    They're going bunkers at FM over a rumor. A 46mp 1Series body to be announced at PhotoPlus.
    These are the best post and response in my opinion. LOL!!!
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    Yup, high-resolution and high-DR are overrated ... until Canon doesn't have them.
    But once Canon has them, high-resolution/high-DR will become of utmost importance.

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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    Being a canon owner is quite depressing at the moment and many are looking to Sony as an interim until Canons D800/D810 rival gets announced but with each passing year its getting hard not to resist jumping ship.

    The 7DII looks like a fantastic cameras with some really great features and of course as long as you don't need 4K video (most people) looks like a brilliant Video DSLR. However, at 20Mpix and the same old Canon 11 stop DR most like myself will just stick with what they have and continue to wait.

    Capture One 8 has just given my1Ds3 and 5D2's another jump in quality again but the A7R is calling!
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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    I think we as photographers all thrive with 3-4 good brands competing on all fronts, irrespective of which camera's we actually own and use.

    To say it with a term used by LuLa, I hope the eating of Canon and Nikon babies will stop soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    I think we as photographers all thrive with 3-4 good brands competing on all fronts, irrespective of which camera's we actually own and use.
    Are Canon competing at the moment?

    I know Canon make fine cameras and amongst the best lenses. And my cameras do produce some excellent results when you know what you're doing with lighting, software, technique etc but when you see the competition and what they are capable of it does seem Canon are just doing their own thing.

    My next camera will probable be an Sony A7R even though I dislike having to use a questionable quality adapter between it and my TS-E lenses. It just pains me to think it was Canon who started this high megapixel, full frame, studio camera format that they now seem to have abandoned for sports cameras and video?

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    Yes, the same thing comes around my mind and that's why I'm irritated at Canon.
    Maybe the film/video development was a necessary thing but to me it seems like a dumb move. I don't think they being selling those expensive video cams like hotcakes but sure thing is, they have now a universe of disappointed, irritated still photographers everywhere.
    I was a Canon fan but not anymore. At least not now. My heart belongs to Sony. As a 30 year pro, friends usually ask for advice on which camera to buy. I used to say always: Get a Canon. Now my endorsmemt goes to Sony or Fuji.

    Concerning this rumor, I don't quite understand it. I think extremely few photographers would need a machine gun spitting a dozen 46mp's every second. At $8K I'd rather buy a 645Z or at a third the price a new version of the A7r with all rough edges smoothed out.
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    Are Canon competing at the moment?

    I know Canon make fine cameras and amongst the best lenses. And my cameras do produce some excellent results when you know what you're doing with lighting, software, technique etc but when you see the competition and what they are capable of it does seem Canon are just doing their own thing.

    My next camera will probable be an Sony A7R even though I dislike having to use a questionable quality adapter between it and my TS-E lenses. It just pains me to think it was Canon who started this high megapixel, full frame, studio camera format that they now seem to have abandoned for sports cameras and video?
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    I think that Canon 400mm f/4 would look great on the A7r.

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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    In fairness, the GetDPI readership has never been very Canon-centric, where FM has always been so. I think part of it -- and for lack of a classier way to say it -- is that Canon shooters tend to be a bit more brand-loyalist than we are over here in general. Fm-ers like discussing gear, and while we like discussing gear too, it is for us more about how to make our images regardless of brand or format.
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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    I know this is a stupid thing to say, but I primarily think of Canons as video cameras. Not that they are incapable of taking stills, just that if I am using one, it is most likely for either video or timelapses. If I'm hanging out on GetDPI, it is to talk stills, not motion. The irony is that when I think of Canon lenses -- especially the TS/E glass -- I think stills. Not sure why, and I know it isn't rational, but I probably am not the only one.

    Perhaps more broadly speaking, the FM types tend to be more interested in how many frames per second they can shoot of their cat on a brick wall and then looking at 100% crops of the whiskers. If I need a Canon question answered, I go over to POTN.

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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    My enthusiasm for cropped sensor cameras has moved elsewhere...

    But, the 24mm STM pancake lens looks pretty sweet. I have the 40mm and it's a gem.

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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    What do you mean 'moved'? Fred refuses to set up a Sony forum.

    In related news from our don't mention the war company:

    “we have a 40% market share in the mirrorless segment”

    About the A7 success story: “From a reputation point of view, very much so. It really did more than we expected. From a business point of view, because of this price point, it is of course not the kind of product that sells to millions but it is on track.”

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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    Canon has actual fans. News to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Canon has actual fans. News to me
    I will say the 6D and the 1Dx are their most interesting cameras to me. The color out of them are actually very good to excellent. The AF is very accurate out of the 1Dx the couple of times I've played with my cousin's.

    The revamped lens line is pretty good as well. It would be interesting to see them compete with Nikon and Sony a high MP studio type camera as well though.
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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    I used to be a Canon fan. When I bought my first digital camera, the ONLY ff was Canon. Nikon was so far behind, I thought they might go out of business. I bought each new release of the 1ds line though they were only incrementally better. I saw Nikon catch up and pass them. When the Sony A7r had double the resolution of my 1 dx I had finally had enough. I am enjoying my Zeiss (Canon mount) lenses on the Sony. I am enjoying my vintage FD 400 2.8 Canon on the Sony. I am enjoying my vintage Helios and Trioplan lenses on the Sony. Most of all, I am enjoying IQ that beats anything Canon has EVER offered. A 46 MP or more Canon has been rumored, not for months but for years. When they can kick everyone's *** for a few years (as they have been getting kicked for a few) I will consider coming back.

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    Of course I will need a mirrorless body, focus peaking, EVF, articulating screen. I hope I don't sound like a bitter ex-fanboy of Canon.
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    In response to Jack and to you. The use of these words for my post title was mainly as a short but catchy call.
    They were also a way to make a little fun of Canon's lame announcements in comparison to other manufacturers and despite the world outcry for more true innovation and advancements in the sensor department. The title was not really made to be provocative.

    I've been here (and there) enough time to know the facts Jack just wrote about.
    It caught my attention and my curiosity that no one here commented on the official 7D2 announcement. That says something about how lame it was for so many photographers.

    Something I didn't know is that Fred is being asked and refused for a Sony forum. I guess it means Fred is a diehard Canon fanboy. Sooner or later it will bite him.
    LuLa and MR "endorse" more and more the smaller formats, something that in the past rarely happenned. Times are changing... fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philip_pj View Post
    What do you mean 'moved'? Fred refuses to set up a Sony forum.

    In related news from our don't mention the war company:

    “we have a 40% market share in the mirrorless segment”

    About the A7 success story: “From a reputation point of view, very much so. It really did more than we expected. From a business point of view, because of this price point, it is of course not the kind of product that sells to millions but it is on track.”
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    During my first 10 minutes with a Sony RX100III. jpeg catch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    In response to Jack and to you. The use of these words for my post title was mainly as a short but catchy call.
    They were also a way to make a little fun of Canon's lame announcements in comparison to other manufacturers and despite the world outcry for more true innovation and advancements in the sensor department. The title was not really made to be provocative.

    I've been here (and there) enough time to know the facts Jack just wrote about.
    It caught my attention and my curiosity that no one here commented on the official 7D2 announcement. That says something about how lame it was for so many photographers.

    Something I didn't know is that Fred is being asked and refused for a Sony forum. I guess it means Fred is a diehard Canon fanboy. Sooner or later it will bite him.
    LuLa and MR "endorse" more and more the smaller formats, something that in the past rarely happenned. Times are changing... fast.

    Keep on shooting
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    The last poll for this (December) was interesting in that while the vote was in favour of a new Sony forum the discussion was against it (could be that only those against bothered to post of course). I posted in favour but in the discussion was swayed against and of course you can't change your vote. The initial Alt form was created almost purely for Canon users who were using other lenses with adapters, and if you look at the A7x image post you'll see a large number doing the same as the E-platform for obvious reasons. I think most people (who posted to keep the fora as they are) prefer the one stop shopping.

    Edit: I don't know if he got rid of his Canon but Fred now shoots an A7r
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    During my first 10 minutes with a Sony RX100III. jpeg catch.
    It seems she's jumping ship, a picture tells more than a 1000 words, great capture!
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    Thanks pegelli. What amazes me about this picture is that without reading the manual, I hit to the beach. There, it was mere minutes while playing with the controls when this friend of mine asked me to take a picture of her jump. I apologized in advance and warned her that the pic may not turn out useful. I just set the Mode dial to S and the Drive mode to Speed Priority Continuos and fired away. I fell in love with this little camera from moment numero uno.

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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    All these forums develop their own personalities, and easy to be critical - but they all combine to give a lot of different and valuable views into the subject matter, so I for one would like to thank Guy and Fred and others for their efforts, it cannot be a stress-free enterprise.

    It is understandable that C/N still dominate so forums must cater for them in a special way - having separate Sony forums is a great thing however, as the brand is both innovative - therefore interesting technically - and is growing fast. It is doing things very differently from the two big guys. Sony also attracts different people, the FF cameras in particular, another reason you get less partisan attitudes, and of course the a7 takes all lenses, so you get across much more than the insider shop of C/N.

    We are in a bit of a state of flux I agree. All of them, if they are pretty relaxed and people enter in good faith, it is a nice experience, with a few bumps here and there as people quite naturally disagree. All good.

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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    Okay my first comment was a joke of course and we have to give Canon a lot of credit in the industry. They have made some really nice products and some great lenses. Just a few 17,24 TSE, 85 1.2, 200 1.8 and there longer glass are some of the best in the business. But and this is a big but they lost there focus on there bodies with nothing in higher Mpx sensors with better DR and other attributes. I chalk some of this up to turning there attention towards the video side of the house.
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    I enjoy giving Canon a little crop back for failng to stay ahead of everybody as we were used to. I do it here and in some other forums too.
    But... truth is, I have a lot of respect for Canon (just don't tell them). Canon is being doing the right things for the last 25 years just failing to be tops in the sensor department in the last 3 years. One sin but of galactic proportions, unfortunately.

    It happens that Sony is one big MoFu company! They stole my heart because I've been delighted for two years about their humongous effort put to come with new products that mean something and not just new products to keep our gas going. I can have all the respect in the world for Sony now.

    Funny anecdote: Just two years ago or so, I rant in a discussion forum saying that I wouldn't like a Sony logo on my camera. Alpha was ok by itself but Sony? please, don't!. Today, I am a proud owner of any camera bearing this logo. I have two, going on the third one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Okay my first comment was a joke of course and we have to give Canon a lot of credit in the industry. They have made some really nice products and some great lenses. Just a few 17,24 TSE, 85 1.2, 200 1.8 and there longer glass are some of the best in the business. But and this is a big but they lost there focus on there bodies with nothing in higher Mpx sensors with better DR and other attributes. I chalk some of this up to turning there attention towards the video side of the house.
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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    I think a lot of the criticism of Canon stems from the fact that people, whether invested in the brand or not, are genuinely perplexed at their seeming lack of innovation in sensor technology at a time when all of their competitors are making notable progress in this area. Like many, I felt sure that Canon were going to come up with something head turningly different at Photokina that would explain why they've been so quiet recently, but when they didn't I have to confess at this point to being totally mystified. What are they up to?
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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    Canon have done some big strategic blunders lately. One of them is the EOS 1D C. It's a fantastic camera, and the users are happy to say the least, but for those who don't know, it looks like a camera that is almost as good as a GH4 or an NX1 at 6 times the price and 3 times the weight. It makes Canon look expensive, and potential customers don't like "expensive".

    Nikon did a similar blunder with the D3X, but fixed it with the D800/E. Even top models have to represent value for money, unless your name i Leica or Hasselblad.

    What saves Canon I think, is an unbelievably loyal customer base. Nowhere is brand identity defended more fiercely than in Canon forums. I wonder if that will last forever...
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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post

    What saves Canon I think, is an unbelievably loyal customer base. Nowhere is brand identity defended more fiercely than in Canon forums. I wonder if that will last forever...
    I believe it's already fading. Was talking with a Canon shooter yesterday, still hanging on to the belief Canon will "leapfrog" Nikon soon... It's been almost 2 years since the D800 without any real response from Canon, and you're still hanging onto that belief? Seriously? With Canon glass owners being able to move to Sony and get a lot more body for a lot less money than C, I think we'll witness a significant erosion in their "loyal base" if they don't release a true competitor body before end of year. Rats off a sinking ship...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Canon have done some big strategic blunders lately. One of them is the EOS 1D C.
    i think thats problem. as good as it is, it's already 2 years and counting. Thanks to all the canon/NEX adaptors, i think a lot of pro/casual users with canon lens bought the A7r just to try out whats it like to have smaller camera body/ taste of 36M files, while they are waiting for their next work horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Nowhere is brand identity defended more fiercely than in Canon forums.
    I think it would be a close contest between them and the Leica crowd.

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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    Looking at this thread, apparently the Canon fans have moved to Sony...
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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    Here's my take:

    Re-vamping their sensor technology is a HUGE challenge and doing it in one generation (form 5D III to IV, or 7D to 7D II) is a big ask. They got caught short with the last generation and will be racing hard to fix this. In the meantime, they must roll out new products, including cameras, so they have done so, albeit with no real change in DR.

    The latest lenses are truly amazing and I really do think Canon is leading the way when it comes to producing a great balance of attributes in their new optics as part of a wide range. The emphasis on resolution won't be for nothing and it makes little sense to try to introduce a market leading sensor in terms of resolution without the DR. I suspect this is why we are being made to wait. Canon wants to make the DR and MP jump in one leap. Remember how many lenses from Nikon played nicely with the D800 when it was released? Not that many and even now its not a perfect situation. I would bet that Canon is lining up their ducks and, with a good spread of brilliant L and MK II L lenses, should they produce a 40MP high DR sensor, most Canon users will feel the rest of the system is ready. Look at the 16-35 F4 L IS. Brilliant. And the 24-70 L II. Amazing, 70-200 f2.8 L II. Same. All you need to do now is slot in the right body to be right at the top again. Anything less... a 40mp sensor with 12.5 stops of DR, or a 14 stop DR sensor with 28 MP.... all would be a damp squib. Canon is holding back to hit big and now they have to. After all, I have a cupboard with red ringed lenses and when I pick them up, I think 'Sony A7/R'!

    The 5D III is still an astonishingly rounded camera when high DR is not needed. It runs rings around the D800 and the D810 in some respects, but the DR achilles heel is why I had strayed to Sony bodies, when I saw what such sensors made possible. I did this instead of selling up and going to Nikon, because I love the lenses I own and was confident Canon will get there with sensor tech. I don't consider myself blindly loyal at all, but have made a pragmatic decision based on an expectation, so Canon had bloody well better not let me down!!!!

    What I will also say in defence of Canon, which matters to people who don't want to constantly eff around with problem solving, is that they all work, reliably and have no major QC issues. No left side focus issues (D800), no oil on sensors (D600) and no green balance and greeen LCD issues (D4/D800). They also sorted out AF issues in a spectacular way with the jump from 1D IV to 1DX (and 5D III), so credit where credit is due: they are methodically working through product weaknesses and eradicating them, without introducing QC or usability issues (D800 Live View). The 5D IV is the camera to shape their fortunes, IMO.

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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    Big point I'm reading here from everyone is this they are two years out at this point and a lot has developed in those two years. For them to come out now they need to leapfrog what Sony has done and what Nikon has released with there Sony sensors. Not a easy task for canon and as we all read the rumors Sony is about to jump ahead again in first quarter of next year. It's very hard for a company to keep up with a aggressive Sony company that fabricates there own sensors.
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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    "Looking at this thread, apparently the Canon fans have moved to Sony..."

    Or at least the Sony threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UHDR View Post
    i think thats problem. as good as it is, it's already 2 years and counting. Thanks to all the canon/NEX adaptors, i think a lot of pro/casual users with canon lens bought the A7r just to try out whats it like to have smaller camera body/ taste of 36M files, while they are waiting for their next work horse.
    The apparent new workhorse, the 5d mark IV is supposedly only going to have a 26 mp sensor as well, so may still be behind the curve, especially since it is not due out until mid 2015. Who knows what either Sony or Nikon will announce in that time.
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    54MP full-frame (4u sensor) is not too far off Of course there are only about 6 lenses that will be able to take advantage of it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    54MP full-frame (4u sensor) is not too far off Of course there are only about 6 lenses that will be able to take advantage of it
    I think you are being very generous when you say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    54MP full-frame (4u sensor) is not too far off
    It will be announced with the new Phase DF body which is also just around the corner...

    I think these companies should take advantage of this with their marketing. They need a new tag line: "Any day now..."
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    More like amnesia set in.
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    We've already seen how much bigger lenses are getting to really match even FF 36MP sensors. One also has to ask how much DR one needs. I think Canon will stay behind for a while - a few more years for sure - in sensor tech, but think that there will be a shouldering off of the resolution and DR requirements that consumers really care about. A case in point is the fact that the D810 has a sensor that has very similar performance parameters to the D800, with tweaks but no leaps. Is anyone here seriously thinking that a 80MP FF camera with 18 stops of DR is going to be that much more useful to them than 36MP and 14+ stops? If so, what lenses do you own, what is your application and how do you show your images?

    Other technologies and functions will start to become relatively more important to photographers. One could say similar things about the development of firearms, or other tools. I'm saying that I don't think Canon can fail to close the gap as it matters to consumers because we are getting closer to the threshold at which further gains in these areas don't matter much, if at all, to the end image. In fact, we are already at the point where many photographers are seeking out vintage glass and various apps to make their photos look less like perfection, because we're already there, with Canon only needing a few more years to arrive.

    People should also ask why so many Canon shooters prefer to stick with Canon and add Sony than go to Nikon and the reason for me is simple: the Canon kit is bloody good and while some may not understand it, its just personal preference. Nikons feel alien in my hands from tip to toe, but Sony does not. Go figure!

    Surely it cannot be lost on anyone on this forum that the most impressive photographers we see are often found to be using D700s, 5D IIs and other less than perfect cameras. They have their technique down, know their kit and get on with the job, so clearly some photographers have already walked away from teh arms race a few generations ago. FF is heading in direction of the realm of small and cheap compacts with 20mp sensors matched to teensy weensy lenses and sensors that can only be seen under a microscope. And we already know what has happened there: people can't be bothered and have realised that using their iPhone already and actually gives them what they want.... This is why I was excited by the GM-1... and the A7R and my 24mm TS-E... because they all brought something new to the bargain; another form of utility that actually helped me create.

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    While I think Canon need a high megapixel camera, they need to keep their eyes open towards the other end as well. Several well regarded and very popular cameras launched the last couple of years, including the Df, the A7s, the E-M1, the GH4 and all the Fujis, are 16MP cameras, the Sony only 12. This seems to be a sweet spot for most:

    - Excellent low light photography
    - A good size for 4K video
    - Not too demanding on the lenses
    - Small files
    - Prints fantasticly up to A2 and sometimes larger

    I don't know if this is among the reasons why Canon seem to have stopped around 20MP, but unfortunately, they haven't seemed to reap the benefits of the relatively low pixel number.

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    Its official. Canon believes they fabricate the best sensor there is. In a DPR interview with one very big-shot at Canon Imaging, Maeda San said that if they didn't, they would outsource from somebody else.
    That doesn't sound too encouraging to keep us waiting, unless he furtively meant they already have it ready for production.
    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turtle View Post
    Surely it cannot be lost on anyone on this forum that the most impressive photographers we see are often found to be using D700s, 5D IIs and other less than perfect cameras. They have their technique down, know their kit and get on with the job, so clearly some photographers have already walked away from teh arms race a few generations ago.
    Turtle, you make some very fair points in what you say, but it's not just existing photographers that Canon needs to please. They also need to attract new blood to their brand and if they are perceived as lagging behind their competitors in core technologies then that will become increasingly difficult to do. That's why I feel they must have something up their sleeve. I mean, they MUST have, right?
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    Re: Have all Canon fans moved to Fred Miranda?

    My feeling echo Turtle's to a large degree.

    As somebody who shot Nikon for 30 years then switched over to a Canon system with the coming of the 20D. And to stay consistant, with previous posts, I feel the 5DIII is a great camera - never had any buyer's remorse. I really do not see myself changing systems (although 3rd party lenses are a great inspration) again, too much hassle for too little return, rather invest the time and money in making images. The demise of Canon is a bit premature,

    yet ..

    But The elephant(s) in the room is -- Pentex 645Z and the Fuji system

    Having had 1Ds, and looking at the Pentex, price. size, and system. This must be a consideration if looking to get the Canon Large megapixel camera when it arrives. Yes Canon has a fantastic if not the best lens range ( I own or have used most of them) - But I think the big whites really shine on the current 1Dx - and future versions. Although Canon is revamping their lens line up there is a question - how many of the new lenses will work on a large mega 35mm sensor. Canon being a vertical and integrated company - I would think that the newer lens would, but that is educated conjecture, not a sure thing.
    The Pentex feels nice in the hand -auto focus is good, and so is iso. I doubt if the coming Canon Mega will be much cheaper than than the Pentex.

    The Fuji must be a consideration when looking for 1.5 sensor - IQ is great - lens line is great - form factor is great - Video not so good.

    We will see, canon has not really used the Sept show to announce their cameras, just recently if I am not mistaken the 5DIII and 1Dx were announced after the Photokina of that year.

    Amazing rate at which new products get developed and come to market, But as Turtle and others have mentioned, do you need it, just because it is new or because you can afford it? An example, is that I looking to get back in road biking and buying a new bike after a hiatus from racing. I am not even considering the Dura Ace or Record group set, although before I considered them as essential. It will not help to accomplish what I want from biking at the moment.

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    I agree, they must and in some respects the continued support for cameras such as the EOS-M with a few token new lenses all point towards keeping things ticking along and reducing investment in dying lines. We already know they have a multi-layer sensor on the go, but will it be any good? It could have similar limitations to the Foveon, might be of marginal (if any benefit) like the X-Trans, or could be phenomenal. Lets me honest, neither X trans nor Foveon have convinced the masses. Not even close, so major innovation is a tough option. If they pull it off, it will be very interesting!

    I think it would be an error to label Canon as 'lost' at this stage. After all, how many years ago was the 5D II conquering the photography world? Not many and I don't think the institutional knowledge, culture and leadership has vanished in those few years. I think they missed some important turnings and will be looking for the right strategic turning to correct it, not a knee jerk that will dig the hole deeper.

    As for Canon thinking they have the best sensors, that's just marketing and brand protection babble. I don't doubt for a minute that they know they need to make some serious splashes....

    As for Canon missing a trick in the 16MP area, I quite agree. Its an area that is of particular interest to me, with 36 MP being covered with the A7R. I have no interest in 50MP because I know it is a total waste of time due to lens limitations. Canon makes superb professional and prosumer cameras and some decent consumer ones. But how many are either outright 'fun' or have aesthetic/style appeal? This is an area where Fuji and others have done very well and why I own a GM-1 and A7R!


    Quote Originally Posted by Steve P. View Post
    Turtle, you make some very fair points in what you say, but it's not just existing photographers that Canon needs to please. They also need to attract new blood to their brand and if they are perceived as lagging behind their competitors in core technologies then that will become increasingly difficult to do. That's why I feel they must have something up their sleeve. I mean, they MUST have, right?

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    Concerning cameras, word of mouth is powerful. For years I've lived under the impression that the collective really listen to professionals and respected amateurs.
    It is unlike cars in which people listen a bit and then they go shopping for eye candy.

    I believe that Canon from now on will face waves of migration after every lame photo-show and even after every strong rumor not fulfilled.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve P. View Post
    Turtle, you make some very fair points in what you say, but it's not just existing photographers that Canon needs to please. They also need to attract new blood to their brand and if they are perceived as lagging behind their competitors in core technologies then that will become increasingly difficult to do. That's why I feel they must have something up their sleeve. I mean, they MUST have, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    I believe that Canon from now on will face waves of migration after every lame photo-show and even after every strong rumor not fulfilled.
    Unless they pull a rabbit out of the hat! Maybe that multi-layer sensor that Turtle mentioned?

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    May your mouth becomes prophetic!


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    Unless they pull a rabbit out of the hat! Maybe that multi-layer sensor that Turtle mentioned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alajuela View Post
    I really do not see myself changing systems (although 3rd party lenses are a great inspration) again, too much hassle for too little return, rather invest the time and money in making images. The demise of Canon is a bit premature,

    yet ..

    But The elephant(s) in the room is -- Pentex 645Z and the Fuji system
    Agree 100%, those who are invested remain with the system but a large number of photographers switch systems easily as their investment in lenses is minimal. Unless Canon can stem this movement, it is going to be in trouble. I came out of the canon system after the 1D mk3 debacle and never looked back. But I always loved the "look" of the CR2 images and have fond remembrances of the system.

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    [/QUOTE]"Something I didn't know is that Fred is being asked and refused for a Sony forum. I guess it means Fred is a diehard Canon fanboy. Sooner or later it will bite him.
    LuLa and MR "endorse" more and more the smaller formats, something that in the past rarely happenned. Times are changing... fast.

    Keep on shooting
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    It was on the FM forum that I first learned about the Sony A7r and Fred bought one along with the Metabones EOS to FE adapter. He was reporting on his use of the 17mmTSE on it. I bought the A7r because of his posts. So it's odd he does not have a Sony forum on his site. Recently sold my 6D and 5D3, but kept my Canon 17mm TSE, MPE-65 macro and some other canon lenses. If Canon releases something better than the Sony, I will probably buy it. My 1st Canon was the 1Ds, which doubled he resolution of the Nikon I was shooting.
    Steve's gear Sony A7r2, A7r, 55mm 1.5, 35mm 2.8, 70-200, 90mm macro; Canon 24-105, 17mmTSE, 14mm II, 2.8, 100mm macro IS, MPE65mm 1-5x macro, 300mm 2.8IS, Zeiss 21mm, Metabones EF-E mount adapter, DJI S1000 Octocopter with custom gimbal.
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