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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    Here was my comment

    I am a working Pro and use Sony cameras exclusively right now. But I have several issues with the A7r that I have to have a A77III as well. First the AF on the A77II has to make its way to the A7 series otherwise it's very handicapped. I can't do a lot of event, PR work with the A7r as focus tracking is just not up to par on the A7 series , so first it must get to the level or better with AF like the current A77II. Flash sync needs to get at least to 1/250 of a second, obviously it needs EFC as this is not acceptable on what the A7r is. I get by but I should not have to think about or deal with shutter vibration. The mount itself needs to beef up a great deal. I use several Canon TSE lenses that are very heavy and some big A mount glass. The entire body also can use a stronger build. It's about long term durability more than anything. Seriously we throw cameras all over the place in the heat of a battle.

    Higher megapixels would not hurt us but the ability to shoot at a lower resolution raw to pick up camera speed and for certain things we simply don't need 50 mpx. So give us raw adjustability. Get totally rid of loose compression too. If you can't afford hard drives get the heck out of the business. Do not touch my bloody raws period. Lol

    Obviously we need a LA-5 adapter to take fully advantage with A glass and the hundreds of focus points.

    You can tell this has been on my mind. Lol

    Obviously faster wider, longer lenses . Make two sets one without regard to size and weight and give us 1.4 glass than a set that either starts at 1.8 or F2 and be smaller and lighter. There serving several masters here not a clump of people. We have different needs
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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    I have more just need more espresso first.
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    I hope they integrate a useful autoiso function where one can choose a longest exp time other than 1/60.
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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Here was my comment

    I am a working Pro and use Sony cameras exclusively right now. But I have several issues with the A7r that I have to have a A77III as well. First the AF on the A77II has to make its way to the A7 series otherwise it's very handicapped. I can't do a lot of event, PR work with the A7r as focus tracking is just not up to par on the A7 series , so first it must get to the level or better with AF like the current A77II. Flash sync needs to get at least to 1/250 of a second, obviously it needs EFC as this is not acceptable on what the A7r is. I get by but I should not have to think about or deal with shutter vibration. The mount itself needs to beef up a great deal. I use several Canon TSE lenses that are very heavy and some big A mount glass. The entire body also can use a stronger build. It's about long term durability more than anything. Seriously we throw cameras all over the place in the heat of a battle.

    Higher megapixels would not hurt us but the ability to shoot at a lower resolution raw to pick up camera speed and for certain things we simply don't need 50 mpx. So give us raw adjustability. Get totally rid of loose compression too. If you can't afford hard drives get the heck out of the business. Do not touch my bloody raws period. Lol

    Obviously we need a LA-5 adapter to take fully advantage with A glass and the hundreds of focus points.
    Good stuff, I'm nowhere near pro yet a lot of there that an enthusiast would like to see too; EFCS (to address both shutter vibration and lag), AF enhancements, durability etc. clearly benefit everyone.

    About the LA-EA5: the more I study this the more sceptic I become though I have a few nice A Mount lenses, the 70-400 G2 and the 85/1.4 ZA. I have the LA-EA4; it is size/thickness limited by the A and E mount flange distance differences. Not sure if it physically possible to get focus points needed for much-increased FF sensor coverage in there; there is a square small hole in there below the SLT mirror that receives the light for focus points. A99 type sensor coverage may be pushing physical limitations of what is available to adapter.

    The other option is trying to focus A Mount "PDAF lenses" on the sensor. The location on sensor limits the size and cross-type etc. optimization of the PDAF focus points; there are no such limitations with SLT/flappy mirror. Due to this for most accurate focusing all current sensor-PDAF solutions use CDAF iteration of small focus movement in the final stage of focus tuning and in low light. Tradiotional DSLR lenses are not very good at this; they expect continuous distace information to go to set focus distance fast, no iteration as PDAF sensor is essentially rangefinder. Canon dual-pixel sensor-AF is workable when used with STM (Stepped Motor), it is quite bad with their fastest-focusing (when used with flappy-mirror PDAF) more traditional DSLR lenses. Micro-level CDAF iteration with screw mount 85/1.4 just does not sound like fast.

    The FE 70-200/4 OSS for sensor-focusing is totally different construction with its dual AF motors (supposedly they are moving two different blocks of glass to minimize distances moved) from A Mount 70-200/2.8 SSM2. Different focus type seem to need different types of lens designs.

    Maybe I should stop studying this as it looks more challenging the more I look into this. Please Sony, time to pull that rabbit out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1krr View Post
    ....The FE 70-200/4 OSS for sensor-focusing is totally different construction with its dual AF motors (supposedly they are moving two different blocks of glass to minimize distances moved) from A Mount 70-200/2.8 SSM2. Different focus type seem to need different types of lens designs.
    So what would this mean? Should the FE lens Focus faster or the A lens on an A7 Body?

    By the way - why would one choose an FE-Body when one wants to use A-Mount lenses. Why not just use an A99 or A77II?

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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    Quiet shutter, Better EVF, Better Sensor Better mechanical build (no plastic mounts). I don't care about the AF. I will buy it from Asia (~ 500 Euros difference) or 6 months after the debut. The prices go down nicely and predictably.
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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    So what would this mean? Should the FE lens Focus faster or the A lens on an A7 Body?

    By the way - why would one choose an FE-Body when one wants to use A-Mount lenses. Why not just use an A99 or A77II?
    FE lens is obviously faster on A7 body unless there is SLT-adapter present for A mount lens and any owner is quite aware of current SLT-adapter limitations (focus points in small group, microadjustment needed, no face detect/Eye-AF, low light performance copied from A65...). The CDAF iteration required has had big effect on FE 70-200 design, existing A Mount lens design assume PDAF focus system.

    Personally using A Mount lenses on my A7R comes from the fact that there are no long teles or fast portrait lens > 55 mm available for FF E Mount. I adapt to use those lenses but they do not warrant a separate expensive body with the amount of use I have for them.

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    I don't know that they could easily make it but I think a hybrid A/FE mount camera would be nice. I pro body with EFC, ~24-46 megapixels, weather sealed, shock resistant, and an upgraded EVF would all be nice to have too.

    I wouldn't need 10+ FPS shooting. 3-6 would be enough for me but accuracy is what matters. One perfectly focus shot is worth more than 2 almost focused shots and 10 throwaways.
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    I hope this is true, because the FE mount is IMO just at the beginning of its journey. For me a responsive shutter with limited lag and electronic first curtain pumping out 6 fps would be a great start, along with 36 or so MP. More will be OK if there is the option of variable sized RAWs, in a better sealed and built body, with even higher resolution EVF and better ergonomics. HOwever, personally, I feel that 36MP is plenty for now, considering the lenses available. A silent shutter option is important too.

    Uncompressed RAWs is not negotiable, like Guy says. If they fail to get this right I will honestly ask 'why on Earth not?'. It will make no sense, even if to silence the naysayers. Personally, I have not found an issue with the lossy RAWs.

    I own the A7 and A7R, but would definitely consider a third body 12 months from now if it eats into DSLR territory from an overall functionality perspective.

    I personally suspect that if Sony is going to give us a $3K body, they are going to make an impressive splash. Look what they managed to serve up with the $2K A7R... For me, the key will be not to squander too much of that extra $1000 in extra resolution that can only be laid down by a handful of lenses, but to put it into 'the integrated camera'. This is where Sony still has its (understandable) doubters and where Sony stands to win over new fans.

    On the lens front, I cannot even begin to believe that there are more existing FE users wanting a 300mm prime than there are wanting a blinking 21 or 24mm lens for landscape and travel use (as suggested by the product developer in a recent interview).

    Oh, and they should drop the silly orange ring around the lens mount too. There is nothing wrong with black, but if they want to be jazzy a graphite grey would be OK. If they want to go crazy, a very deep blue would work, but orange? Umm, no.

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    If they make this than Im all in on FE. I really don't think most folks are asking for much , just some improvements and updates on the system. The good news here is Sony is pushing it hard . That can only mean good things for us.
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    Price is not the real issue here and I know that may rub a lot of people the wrong way but if they are competitive with the upgrades and features i really don't care if it is 3k. Ill find the bloody money to buy it and most people will anyway even though they will balk like crazy they will pay. As long as they make it almost to the point that you compromise very very little.

    Some things like dual card slots, uncompressed raws, maybe even built in grip for verticals, EFC, higher sync and much better AF than they can command a higher price. Okay flame suit on I don't even mind if it is a little bigger. Better battery would not offend me at all. LOL I only have 6 of them. ROTFLMAO

    For me I so dearly want to have only FE mount cams. I love the A77II but I'm forced into two lens sets or have to buy for two lens sets. Came in point I would have loved to buy the new Loxia 50mm but it won't work on a A mount and that buying choice limits me.
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    I don't have a problem with any price but I do have a problem with a huge price differential. Asian prices vs the EU ones. Absolutely no match even including the taxes etc.

    I also hope they come up with an A7m (monochrome) cam.
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    Agree it should be fair across the globe. I don't like the Euro folks paying far higher prices than US or Asian customers. Thats just not right
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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Price is not the real issue here and I know that may rub a lot of people the wrong way but if they are competitive with the upgrades and features i really don't care if it is 3k. Ill find the bloody money to buy it and most people will anyway even though they will balk like crazy they will pay. As long as they make it almost to the point that you compromise very very little.

    Some things like dual card slots, uncompressed raws, maybe even built in grip for verticals, EFC, higher sync and much better AF than they can command a higher price. Okay flame suit on I don't even mind if it is a little bigger. Better battery would not offend me at all. LOL I only have 6 of them. ROTFLMAO

    For me I so dearly want to have only FE mount cams. I love the A77II but I'm forced into two lens sets or have to buy for two lens sets. Came in point I would have loved to buy the new Loxia 50mm but it won't work on a A mount and that buying choice limits me.
    Yeah I think it's neccesary to have a larger body and faster lenses available. Nothing wrong with offering the slower f/2.8-4 stuff but it's really not of much use to me in reality except when I'm traveling and want a light kit. At my event shooting that I do, flash normally isn't allowed in the auditorium as there's usually video happening simultaneously. Offering f/1.4-2 lenses is a reality that Sony is going to have to offer as well even if it means larger lenses.

    Some people bought into FE solely for size and other bought into it for flexibility in lenses as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I also hope they come up with an A7m (monochrome) cam.
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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Agree it should be fair across the globe. I don't like the Euro folks paying far higher prices than US or Asian customers. Thats just not right
    New Asian prices of the FE 55/1.8, for example, are lower than the cheapest used prices from the US (no, I will not supply any links. Use of an appropriate search engine will do the work)! Both US and EU prices are way higher. It is not right at all.

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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    Hi Vivek, good to read you again !!

    If we are talking about really expensive gear, it can be interesting to buy a ticket to Hong Kong and buy the gear there. Little to no chance you will be caught at the customs on entering your country ...

    Buying via Internet in HK or similar, however, is much more dangerous ... even if the gear arrives in your country in good order, rest assured that the customs WILL intercept your parcel, and make you pay an amount of money that is even much higher than just the taxes. The Belgian customs did not miss any of my recent parcels from Asia, they are really "efficient" (not the kind of efficiency I like, however)

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    I think I will visit Thailand where they make all the stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f6cvalkyrie View Post
    Hi Vivek, good to read you again !!

    If we are talking about really expensive gear, it can be interesting to buy a ticket to Hong Kong and buy the gear there. Little to no chance you will be caught at the customs on entering your country ...

    Buying via Internet in HK or similar, however, is much more dangerous ... even if the gear arrives in your country in good order, rest assured that the customs WILL intercept your parcel, and make you pay an amount of money that is even much higher than just the taxes. The Belgian customs did not miss any of my recent parcels from Asia, they are really "efficient" (not the kind of efficiency I like, however)

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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    What if it has a FF curved sensor? Probably zero backwards compatibility there, but the MTF performance could be awesome.

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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    Well, I already have EFC, so I don't see the big fuss about wanting it.



    What I'd really like is all electronic shutter, if they can solve some of the current issues with it. Make it totally silent and vibration free.

    The biggest thing is AF. I carry around an a6000 primarily for the vastly improved AF. Make the a8 with an upgraded a6000 AF, and the world will love it!

    Other than that, the usual laundry list. Adjustable or perhaps dynamic resolution, trading mpx for better low light. In fact, better low light at highest resolution settings. What's the point of being "just as good as" the competition when we can do better? Longer flash sync and total user control over all auto ISO settings.

    Sony knows what is wanted/needed. If the A7 series is indeed their way of "studying the mirrorless market", they have all their answers. They've offered some great glass with more on the way. Now give us a camera body that matches what their lenses can do.
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    An A7s with 18MP or 24MP and some more native lenses (21mm, 28mm and faster 35mm) would already do it for me.

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    I'm actually surprised there seems little to no mention much about battery life when compared to pro DSLRs. Another thing about fast AF comes accuracy, having owned the Nikon D700, D800, and the Canon 5D Mark III, 1DX, while good, I really expect better.

    FPS is one thing, but high accuracy would be a revalation when it comes to AFC, and while miles ahead of mirrorless to certain degree, bar maybe the Nikon 1 since I have not used one, it's it'll be great to meet with high buffer memory as well.

    My experience with the A7 and A7S, while good, I often find that Sony's WB is slightly off compared to Nikon and Canon as well.

    Tweak zones include, ability to assign minimum shutter speeds for auto ISO, and memory for lenses. Auto bracketing features for the number of shutter and how far the exposure should and able to assign it away from shutter timer.

    EFC, is also an issue, why should it not work with a flash attached, why do i need to go back into the A7s menu simply because I've added a flash unlike the Canon 5D Mark III which also happens to work in AFC mode as well.

    So I agree with Guy about larger MP, but why shouldn't a 36MP camera offer to shoot at 24/12MP with faster FPS, and APSC crop.

    I've almost given up on Canon and love what the A7/s already are, but hearing Sony will launch PRO cameras, I really hope they offer fresh on the table. Sorry if my post comes across as a bit of a wish list for Sony, thats because it is and I'm excited about the news. Go Sony!
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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    I am pretty sure, a complete overhaul means a bigger body, giving room for some more electronics and hopefully a bigger battery at least 50 % more capacity !!!!
    Meike has shown an A7/R/S Handgrip with remote radio controlled trigger/timer. Chinese nowadays have good ideas that can be copied in Japan also !
    I want an even finer viewfinder with more resolution !
    I want a dedicated extra Zoom button, prominently maybe on the front of the body.
    Like a stopdown button on old SLRs - nice, large and with a rough tip !
    I want a "docking station" with lockable large USB, HDMI, and a dedicated Accessory plug for stuff like GPS, external power, electronic follow focus and a phantom powered XLR Mike plug.And if I can dream on a Thunderbird port to directly mount an SSD for storage.
    I want a full metal bajonett mount, a thicker baseplate and more rubber to the corners of the body to make it "ruggedized" and best possible weather sealing.
    I want a display that can be moved sidewards so it can be seen from the front.
    And I want a decent Systemflash with at least guide number 60 at normal/50mm setting and HSS using the same batteries as the camera !
    For this unified battery I want a professional quick charger.

    And: Why oh why can´t the Play Memories remote camera control do no zoom from the app ? This app needs the biggest overhaul

    There´s more, but this is the short list.

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    I'm holding out for the rumored Texas Leica with a 50 mp Sony sensor.
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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    I'm holding out for the rumored Texas Leica with a 50 mp Sony sensor.
    You and me, but please don't call it a Texas Leica! Hahaha...

    I want my old Mamiya 6 in a digital format (the one with the collapsible lens mount), and I think I'd be very happy forever more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mjm6 View Post
    You and me, but please don't call it a Texas Leica! Hahaha...

    I want my old Mamiya 6 in a digital format (the one with the collapsible lens mount), and I think I'd be very happy forever more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Texas Leica sounds perfect to me but I'll admit that I'm biased.
    I don't know about the sounds but Sony can readily do that shutter.

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    Sony may well shock us with a low price on a fixed lens mirrorless MF model with 50 MP. They have to come in well under the Pentax 645Z for it to make any sense.

    Regarding battery life, I am happy for the new pro series camera/s to be a touch larger if they have much higher performance but are still way smaller than DSLRs. While improved batter life would be very handy, I see it only as useful in a larger body. If Sony had made the battery larger on the A7, the camera would have been bigger and heavier, which would have made no sense at all. I'd rather carry a spare in a pouch of pocket rather than have more capacity in a camera on a wrist strap all day long. The 5D III battery weighs at least double what the A7 battery weighs but such a battery would be fine in a body weighing a total of maybe 550g, 600g max. Everytime I have the 35mm FE on my A7 I am reminded of why I don't want heavier batteries. It feels so agile.

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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    Have to admit battery life to me at least means very little. I have I think 5 and carry 4 spares which I never even get close to using is really nothing to carry around on a gig.
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    I came to Sony because it offered the possibility to get a FF sensor in a small very portable mirrorless body. For me it is like a digital RF. I don't have any interest in a bigger body, nor a continued megapixels race.

    I see a contradiction in that rumor of a "pro" E mount body. There is room for an improved A7, mainly EFC and better AF and some user interface improvements.

    But IMO the real "pro" body people are calling for should be a mirrorless A mount body using an A7r sensor or better, being mirrorless it could still be somewhat lighter than the 1.5 kg of the Canikons pro bricks.

    But Sony should keep the two lines well separated offering a DSLR like series with the A mount DSLR line one side and the E mount RF style on the other. Aka two modern mirrorless and EVF lines, each with a different character. One a work horse for the pro, the other a rugged, light one for PJ, travel and nature photographer who want to go light. And the lenses should follow that same philosophy.

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    Who would rule anything out - with these guys.

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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    I came to Sony because it offered the possibility to get a FF sensor in a small very portable mirrorless body. For me it is like a digital RF. I don't have any interest in a bigger body, nor a continued megapixels race.

    I see a contradiction in that rumor of a "pro" E mount body. There is room for an improved A7, mainly EFC and better AF and some user interface improvements.

    But IMO the real "pro" body people are calling for should be a mirrorless A mount body using an A7r sensor or better, being mirrorless it could still be somewhat lighter than the 1.5 kg of the Canikons pro bricks.

    But Sony should keep the two lines well separated offering a DSLR like series with the A mount DSLR line one side and the E mount RF style on the other. Aka two modern mirrorless and EVF lines, each with a different character. One a work horse for the pro, the other a rugged, light one for PJ, travel and nature photographer who want to go light. And the lenses should follow that same philosophy.
    I tend to agree with you on this Annna.

    I use an A99 SLT as my Pro Workhorse. It has a much more useful LCD, shoots to two cards (which is an essential feature for me when shooting weddings), and it has IBIS, so all lenses are stabilized right up to my Sony AF 500mm mirror. More importantly, it can run circles around my A7R.

    If you could put all that into a A7 sized camera, it would be fantastic ... however, the physical demands of dual cards, IBIS and a more articulated LCD seem counter intuitive.

    I'd like to see a bit smaller/lighter A99 replacement, 36 meg, improved IBIS, much improved EVF, bit better battery life, simplified interface ... competitively priced against the Canikon counterparts.

    Then a A7 replacement that concentrates on the dedicated characteristics you mention.

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    I don't have any interest
    that's very selfish... if you personally do not have any interest in something it does not give you the right to infringe on others that have a lot of interest in that... like in m43 world we have crippled cameras for soapbox lovers (PEN, GX/GM) and cameras for those who need a normal grip and functionality (OM-D, GH)... as an E-M1 owner I am very happy that those who need soapboxes continue to have them while we have our lines of cameras
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    Indeed its an interesting question where a "pro" A9?-body is placed between the A7 and the A77/A99.
    IMO-as soon as you want to put really fast FF lenses on a body (f2.8 zooms, f1.4 85mm, longer Telelenses) the bigger size of A77/A99 seems to make sense.
    I dont sea any reason to put monster lenses on a small camera. Thats why I think the f4.0 Zooms are the right compromise for the A7-series.

    Besides a little improved AF, better auto iso function, maybe IBIS and a little better build of the bajonet there is one thing I would like changed: The user interface should be a little clearer and simpler and more intuitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I'd like to see a bit smaller/lighter A99 replacement
    and why your rightful desire to have an alternative line of A-mount FF dSLT cameras shall be posed as either/or vs those who want a better E-mount FF dSLM line of cameras ? those are separate mounts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    I dont sea any reason to put monster lenses on a small camera.
    I don't see any reason why your personal preference for small dSLM cameras (with E mount) shall prevent some others from getting bigger & more advanced dSLM cameras (with E mount)... it is not that Sony will suddenly make smaller bodies unavailable for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deejjjaaaa View Post
    that's very selfish... if you personally do not have any interest in something it does not give you the right to infringe on others that have a lot of interest in that... like in m43 world we have crippled cameras for soapbox lovers (PEN, GX/GM) and cameras for those who need a normal grip and functionality (OM-D, GH)... as an E-M1 owner I am very happy that those who need soapboxes continue to have them while we have our lines of cameras
    Say that I'm selfish if you want. But my point is that when people begun to ask for
    - Bigger and more ergonomic bodies with bigger grip,
    - Longer life batteries, aka bigger batteries,
    - Two cards slots,
    - Faster lenses (short tele up to 1.4 or 1.2, uwa like 16mm up to F2, 35mm F1.4 and even 100-40mm F4 like I read somewhere) already offered in A mount, aka monster lenses,
    - Faster fps (aka bigger shutter and bigger bodies)
    - Bigger, articulated LCD,
    - Etc..
    This just tells me that what they really want is a DSLR like body with all the comfort offered by an EVF. What they want has few to do with what the tiny A7 bodies are offering and what makes their main strength : a small mirrorless portable bodies. Sony should keep the A mount which offers advantages for fast and big lenses and if they can make it smaller than the Canikons bricks (say 800gr, like a Canon 6d), while offering an EVF, they will have a winner.

    Just like the A7 are winners for those who wants a digital equivalent to the RF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Just like the A7 are winners for those who wants a digital equivalent to the RF.
    They are NOT. The lenses for RF are compact (may not be lightweight) and they do not smear and do such nasty things.

    The A7 series cams are more like a Nikon FM2 or an Olympus OM (well not that quite compact).
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    Quote Originally Posted by deejjjaaaa View Post
    I don't see any reason why your personal preference for small dSLM cameras (with E mount) shall prevent some others from getting bigger & more advanced dSLM cameras (with E mount)... it is not that Sony will suddenly make smaller bodies unavailable for you.
    Because the result would be a bastard camera ! There is a reason why Leica had both the M line and the R line. Plus, from a marketing point of view it is better to have two lines of products with clearly distinct features.

    Thinking to the E-mount lenses : you don't put the load of an eight wheels truck on a four wheels minivan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    They are NOT. The lenses for RF are compact (may not be lightweight) and they do not smear and do such nasty things.

    The A7 series cams are more like a Nikon FM2 or an Olympus OM (well not that quite compact).
    You are right stricto sensu : the A7r is no digital back for legacy glass, but I was rather thinking to their portability aspect here.

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    No question about that! They are far more versatile than a RF cam or a DSLR ever can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    You are right stricto sensu : the A7r is no digital back for legacy glass, but I was rather thinking to their portability aspect here.
    But Annna T, in many way it is (or was, since more and more lenses are coming) a perfect body for legacy glass only not for RF wide angles.

    But it looks we don't need them anymore with the new 16-35, albeit a little slow.

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    But Annna T, in many way it is (or was, since more and more lenses are coming) a perfect body for legacy glass only not for RF wide angles.

    But it looks we don't need them anymore with the new 16-35, albeit a little slow.
    Yes, you are right it concerns rather wa lenses. But I had 8 legacy lenses, of which I can only use two on the A7r. Of my beloved Contax G lenses I can only use two out of five. The fact that the 28mm, 21mm and 16mm are still lying in a drawer is heart wrenching, especially the 21mm. My Leica 50mm F1.4 produces smeared corners too, as well as the 35mm F2.

    The 16-35mm zoom looks good. I think that I may sell my two last Leica lenses in exchange, they aren't so good performers on the A7r either (the 50mm F1.4 smears corners and the 90mm F2 has problems at infinite).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    You are right stricto sensu : the A7r is no digital back for legacy glass, but I was rather thinking to their portability aspect here.
    I think that is the point of not buying a dslr but wanting a more rugged body for those that like the option of having flexibility of shorter flange distance. A dslr won't give you that type of flexibility. In any case this won't take anything away from the A7 series. This is all just a rumor and the fact many want this proves there's a market for it plus the faster glass. Again we all shoot differently and have different needs/ desires. Choice is good even if it's not what you personally want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    If they make this than Im all in on FE. I really don't think most folks are asking for much , just some improvements and updates on the system. The good news here is Sony is pushing it hard . That can only mean good things for us.
    I'm not asking for much . . . but I've had all three existing A7 cameras and each has fallen short in one way or another. . .

    I'd like
    1. Quieter shutter (much) without vibration
    2. better build quality
    3. (ideally) IBIS

    Personally I could live with the AF of the A7s . . .

    I've still kept my FE lenses . . waiting waiting.

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    3. (ideally) IBIS
    I'm not holding my breath on this one unless they actually make that rumor A/FE Hybrid camera. Most FE mount cameras have OSS so I don't know that they will include IBIS unless it were to benefit the A mount lenses.
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    Re: Rumor: Pro FE mount coming

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I'm not holding my breath on this one unless they actually make that rumor A/FE Hybrid camera. Most FE mount cameras have OSS so I don't know that they will include IBIS unless it were to benefit the A mount lenses.
    No - I'm not holding my breath on IBIS either - and it isn't a deal killer . . . but I can hand hold an M easily at 1/2 focal length . . . I'd like to be able to do that with a Sony too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    No - I'm not holding my breath on IBIS either - and it isn't a deal killer . . . but I can hand hold an M easily at 1/2 focal length . . . I'd like to be able to do that with a Sony too.
    I think the heft and size of the Leica have almost as much to do with that as the shutter personally - going from my M9 experiences.
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