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    Just left B&H the grip should come in same time as the body
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Just left B&H the grip should come in same time as the body
    This is very good news!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Just left B&H the grip should come in same time as the body
    Did you happen to ask them what -day- they expect both of these items to be available?
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    Re: The Sony A7II

    My B&H preorder status now reads "In stock, order sent to warehouse". Looks like they'll meet the original release date of the 9th (tomorrow).
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    Me too. Yay.

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    And many of us lurkers sigh relief as the good news arrives and this thread no longer treads in the realm of dpr...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    In spite of all technological wizardry that has gone into the 7 cameras, Sony looked more like photography company when they launched the A900. I wonder how many of the Minolta people are still with them...
    All the key Minolta staff were asked to stay, the majority did. I have a very good friend that works directly with this division and he tells me little has changed in the internal culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    actually spent a year studying Chaucer and another one Middle English as a lit major way back when:

    from the prologue to the Canterbury tales:

    "Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote
    The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
    And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
    Of which vertu engendred is the flour;

    Whan Zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
    Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
    The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
    Hath in the Ram his halfe cours yronne,
    And smale foweles maken melodye,
    (That slepen al the nyght with open eye)
    So priketh hem Nature in hir corages
    Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages."

    not so tough to figure out and a nice bit o' poetry
    That Geoffrey Chaucer... he was good, but he couldn't spell for tish!
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    Re: The Sony A7II

    The report about a7 II IBIS says: "activates on half-press of the shutter"; I assume this is to save battery. Unfortunately this would mean no focus magnification + IBIS for manual/adapted lenses since the half-press will cancel magnification; very uncool for longer lenses like my 135 and 70-400; for accurate focus magnification is pretty much mandatory and I sure hoped I wouldd get IBIS to help with vibration which is present when handholding long lens and using magnification. So if anyone who gets their hand on one of these babies could check this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1krr View Post
    The report about a7 II IBIS says: "activates on half-press of the shutter"; I assume this is to save battery. Unfortunately this would mean no focus magnification + IBIS for manual/adapted lenses since the half-press will cancel magnification; very uncool for longer lenses like my 135 and 70-400; for accurate focus magnification is pretty much mandatory and I sure hoped I wouldd get IBIS to help with vibration which is present when handholding long lens and using magnification. So if anyone who gets their hand on one of these babies could check this out.
    It may be possible to get both if DMF is used. I don't think a half shutter press knocks you out of focus magnification while in DMF but I'd have to verify when I get near my cameras.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    It may be possible to get both if DMF is used. I don't think a half shutter press knocks you out of focus magnification while in DMF but I'd have to verify when I get near my cameras.
    DMF is unavailable/not applicable with manual lenses and since DMF works by keeping shutter half-pressed I'd expect it to be ok for native lenses. The question here is about all the adapted fully manual lenses.

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    Re: The Sony A7II

    It (SS + Focus magnification works) is demonstrated quite well here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5XVGAgPKk4

    FF to ~5:00min mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    It (SS + Focus magnification works) is demonstrated quite well here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5XVGAgPKk4

    FF to ~5:00min mark.
    That is with camera in video mode where it is known to be continuously on. For stills it has been said to activate on half-press; I'm not claiming it does not work, but I'd like to see confirmation one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1krr View Post
    The report about a7 II IBIS says: "activates on half-press of the shutter"; I assume this is to save battery. Unfortunately this would mean no focus magnification + IBIS for manual/adapted lenses since the half-press will cancel magnification; very uncool for longer lenses like my 135 and 70-400; for accurate focus magnification is pretty much mandatory and I sure hoped I wouldd get IBIS to help with vibration which is present when handholding long lens and using magnification. So if anyone who gets their hand on one of these babies could check this out.
    This should not be a problem with manual focus lenses. On the a7r/a6000, you can half press the shutter and hold, while subsequently hitting the focus assist button (wherever you have assigned it). Focus assist remains activated until you depress shutter completely.
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    Yeah, good point. Perhaps Guy would check it out soon.

    Someone at SAR pointed out that people are demanding things which are unthinkable with other brands (in reference to "advice" to Sony from some people).
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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Impressive demo with a 600mm lens.

    Sony plays to win, and hates to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Impressive demo with a 600mm lens.

    Sony plays to win, and hates to lose.
    LL - "Indeed they are the only camera maker with a mirrorless full frame camera"

    Well I guess technically there is a mirror in a Leica rangefinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post

    Well I guess technically there is a mirror in a Leica rangefinder.
    Yup. Industry standard.

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    My first question for the lucky A7ii recipients--how does auto-ISO behave in aperture mode? Can you set a minimum shutter speed? Has the camera been cured of the A7's love for 1/60?

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    I doubt the AutoISO behavior or settings have changed. I didn't see anything in the manual or any impressions by first reviewers that implied a change in AutoISO capabilities.

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    Re: The Sony A7II

    I've read this entire thread and have been entertained and certainly informed on opinions.

    I sold my A7 mid this year. At the time I was rather disgruntled with the build quality. It seemed quite a step down from my EM-5 build wise. A petty reason perhaps but there were other factors in my life at the time. I sold it "used" and actually made a small profit for the first time ever. Now that the A7 build issue has been addressed in the A7II, and add the stabiliser I am back, hooked again. I have a new project that will need a ICL camera so a A7II is at the top of my shopping list.

    When someone here who has an A7II reports back, I would be interested to hear what the shutter button feel or feedback is like? Thanks in advance.
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    Welcome back!

    The reviews so far have been very positive re: ergonomics and build quality. I'm sure myself and others will report back once we start getting the camera this week.
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    Yahoo Amazon just sent me confirmation. Have it Friday
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    My order from BH Photo still shows "in stock, sent to warehouse". No shipping info, so not sure if it will ship today.

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    I can't wait to hear the thoughts of everyone. I've checked this thread a few times to see if the cameras have reached everyone. Here is the camera store's hands on video link

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD-Vx9dcp-U
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    That A7II 'sounds' pretty good ! Now all we want is the same for the A7RII ...
    And for the A9 ...

    Kind regards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    That sounds very promising
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    Yes, Bart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    That A7II 'sounds' pretty good ! Now all we want is the same for the A7RII ...
    And for the A9 ...

    Kind regards.

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    I could live with that shutter sound, no problem at all.
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    Hoping to see it this morning. I'm in NY and there is a Sony store down the street . Maybe I'll get lucky to see it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Hoping to see it this morning. I'm in NY and there is a Sony store down the street . Maybe I'll get lucky to see it
    What are the odds on you winding up with two A7II's by the end of the week if you like it more than you expected!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slingers View Post
    I can't wait to hear the thoughts of everyone. I've checked this thread a few times to see if the cameras have reached everyone. Here is the camera store's hands on video link

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD-Vx9dcp-U
    I like their reviews, it really is hands on and things like how one uses any camera with gloves (we have couple of really really cold months around here) is addressed. Their comments about AF are what I kind of expected; improved but not A6000 level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    What are the odds on you winding up with two A7II's by the end of the week if you like it more than you expected!?!
    If the store has it I'll grab it and cancel Amazon they did not charge me yet. If so I'll put my A7r in the box to ship and maybe save the tax.
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    Seems the reviews are confirming what people kinda suspect: a solid upgrade with useful new features and ergonomics at a great price point and with a little extra weight. Well done Sony. It won't make everyone happy, but its solid progress.

    The A9 is going to be interesting. I kinda hope they pull all the stops out and don't worry too much about price. Even just as an observer, I want to see what they can do when they put the pedal to the metal. Are we going to see A6000 speed focusing, 46mp, quiet shutter, IBIS, pro body with full sealing etc? While they are at it, a 24mm prime please, preferably with optical brilliance at the expense of aperture speed. F4 is fine... something like the 24 Elmar-M f3.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by turtle View Post
    Are we going to see A6000 speed focusing, 46mp, quiet shutter, IBIS, pro body with full sealing etc?
    One can dream/hope and that's why my A7R is getting FS Converted as soon as I return stateside.
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    Okay store is worthless . Don't bother folks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Okay store is worthless . Don't bother folks
    I assume you're talking about the Sony store. Did you try going to the B&H store?

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    Amazon says.

    Your new estimated delivery date is: Friday, December 12, 2014

    I have an A99 at a smokin deal if anyone wants one

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    I assume you're talking about the Sony store. Did you try going to the B&H store?
    Sony store. Have not tried B&H today. I fly home Tommorrow so I can wait for Friday from Amazon.
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    Mine was shipped from BH, so I will be getting it tomorrow.

    And wouldn't you know, the largest storm in five years is supposed to deluge California Thursday and Friday.

    Then maybe some "wild climate" type shots. If not, then it's time for some "fun with Macro" around the house, with my (now stabilized! ) Nikon 105mm Macro.

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    I've read in a few locations that third party lenses on the A7II will "only" have three axis stabilization. Does anyone know how they came to this conclusion? Is it done by testing or is there an icon in the EVF/LCD that has a "3" or a "5"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrewk View Post
    I've read in a few locations that third party lenses on the A7II will "only" have three axis stabilization. Does anyone know how they came to this conclusion? Is it done by testing or is there an icon in the EVF/LCD that has a "3" or a "5"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I think everyone was hoping you'd confirm this since you MAY be the first with the camera in hand.
    I'll do my best, but absent an onscreen icon, I'm not sure how I could test for those extra two axis.

    Especially indoors (due to the storm). Maybe I'll get my dog to run in circles around me while I pan. . It may not work, but I'll get dizzy and he'll have TONS of fun!
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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Picking mine up tomorrow at Precision.

    All this talk about 5-axis vs 3 reminds me of how good the IBIS on the old A900 was and I'm pretty sure that was just 3-axis, no? A cool feature of IBIS on A-mount was the feedback bars that visually referenced how much the IBIS was active. Hoping the A7II has something similar but I haven't read anything that mentions it.
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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Quote Originally Posted by dandrewk View Post
    I've read in a few locations that third party lenses on the A7II will "only" have three axis stabilization. Does anyone know how they came to this conclusion? Is it done by testing or is there an icon in the EVF/LCD that has a "3" or a "5"?
    Sonyalpharumors is quoting a French website : Les Numériques who got an interview with Sony engineers. I didn't read it all, but the URL is there if you want (Google translate can be your friend).
    They confirm that lenses not feeding distance info to the body will only get a 3 axes stabilisation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Sonyalpharumors is quoting a French website : Les Numériques who got an interview with Sony engineers. I didn't read it all, but the URL is there if you want (Google translate can be your friend).
    They confirm that lenses not feeding distance info to the body will only get a 3 axes stabilisation.
    Why? One can enter the value manually?
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Why? One can enter the value manually?
    K-H, You can only enter the focal length of a lens but not the focused distance (Cf, the AF-D Nikkor, that D stands for distance. As you focus, the lens relays the focused distance to the camera. All modern lenses do that now.)

    There could be real reasons why Sony disabled it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    K-H, You can only enter the focal length of a lens but not the focused distance (Cf, the AF-D Nikkor, that D stands for distance. As you focus, the lens relays the focused distance to the camera. All modern lenses do that now.)

    There could be real reasons why Sony disabled it.

    Thanks Vivek. Great point!
    How then does IBIS work on my E-M5 and E-M1 for such lenses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Picking mine up tomorrow at Precision.

    All this talk about 5-axis vs 3 reminds me of how good the IBIS on the old A900 was and I'm pretty sure that was just 3-axis, no? A cool feature of IBIS on A-mount was the feedback bars that visually referenced how much the IBIS was active. Hoping the A7II has something similar but I haven't read anything that mentions it.
    Agreed, and what I'd like to know (and maybe find out once I get the camera) is how much "extra" those two additional axis add. I plan to test the camera with the FE70-200, turning IBIS on/off, and see if the difference is noticeable.

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