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    Any word about the shutter ? Is it still loud ? Does it still induce vibration ?
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    I doubt it'll be any quieter - but EFC helps . . . maybe IBIS can also deal with vibration from the shutter? I guess it should!

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    So I don't trust Sony. I trust their products. They are among the best money can buy. But I don't trust their strategies. Sometimes, I wonder if they have strategies.
    Me too - but perhaps they just try different ones until one takes off? . . . this one (FE) seems to have taken off so I imagine they'll stick with it?

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    Good strategy.

    Leica increases the prices to add value. Also, good strategy.
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    Sony gear is not in a " hobby" category. You may want to check some other fine manufacturers who cater to that segment.
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    You did not return either or sell them and start a thread why you did that?
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    I only have one comment to make. Why did they keep the AA filter? A real mistake, imho and a reason why I won't be upgrading any time soon.

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    Because the pixel density for a 24MP FF sensor is not high enough to avoid aliasing/false detail in a lot of shooting situations.

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    if it were not for Sony, would we have 50mpx full frame (35mm) sensors, eh, Nikon, Sony, maybe even Phase and Blad?
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    Some of us were attracted to the "a" series for its compactness. The a7m2 is 183 grams heavier, a 44% increase. Make no mistake, that weight gain is very significant, as is the increase in the overall girth.

    For most, it is very worth it to get the IBIS and larger grip. I love the new feature, and I believe it will be a game changer.

    However, I am very shocked and disappointed that they have not upgraded the autofocus system to (at least) match what is found on the a5000 & a6000. Flabbergasted, actually. How can a $400 camera have better AF than an "upgraded" camera costing four times as much?

    Clearly, this is not a technological issue. It's pure marketing. It really seems that Sony is afraid making the a7m2 TOO good will take away sales from the A mount cameras and the upcoming a9.

    It's not that the AF in the a7/r is all that bad. I also own an a6000, and I can tell you the AF improvement is profound and very welcome. This is a technology that was released several months ago, is it too much to expect in the newer generation a7?

    I hope the blurbs are wrong about this, and the a6000 AF is part of the new camera. I see that Sony is otherwise claiming an improved AF in the a7m2. We'll see. If it doesn't match that of the a5000/a6000, it will be a big disappointment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Jones View Post
    Sony didn't invest millions into Olympus just so they can sit patiently on the sidelines humming Kumbaya folks. There is a reason for every dollar invested at this level. It is either for a direct profit return or a technology transfer. Frequently for both.

    For the record, Sony did NOT invent the transistor, the integrated circuit, the RAM chip, or silicon camera sensors either. This does not mean they don't make some of the best ones out there....
    They invested in Olympus for access to their thriving medical imaging business (where the real money is made).

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    Hopefully they do share some technology. But let's be realistic. The photography business isn't great for any company right now. The weaker ones (Olympus) will try to leverage their profit centers to save their own butts. Olympus's photography business doesn't do much if anything for the bottom line.

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    Hopefully Sony can make some money and continue developing the a7 range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrewk View Post
    It's not that the AF in the a7/r is all that bad. I also own an a6000, and I can tell you the AF improvement is profound and very welcome. This is a technology that was released several months ago, is it too much to expect in the newer generation a7?

    I hope the blurbs are wrong about this, and the a6000 AF is part of the new camera. I see that Sony is otherwise claiming an improved AF in the a7m2. We'll see. If it doesn't match that of the a5000/a6000, it will be a big disappointment.
    I just assumed the increased focusing speed and tracking abilities were equivalent to the a6000. I can't imagine Sony would not incorporate those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sloppywmu View Post
    I just assumed the increased focusing speed and tracking abilities were equivalent to the a6000. I can't imagine Sony would not incorporate those.
    According to the published specs, the a7m2 has the same 117 points of phase-detection AF as the original a7. The a6000 has 179 points.

    How all that translates into real life AF performance, tracking and predictive AF, remains to be seen. I expect some immediate AF comparisons once the a7m2 is released.

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    The new ergonomics are welcomed (from my point of view). It seems that the camera is a little bit bigger and heavier but not sure how it translates in real life use.

    From the specs, it seems that it has the same viewfinder as the current lineup. Many talk about how great it is (and it's not that bad) but from an event photographer point of view, it's lacking. In low light, the refresh rate is bothersome. I almost got a headache after a minute of trying it. And that was with decent light (compared with events) at PhotoPlus.

    Another weak point: the battery. With the bigger grip would have been nice to come out with a bigger battery. A lot better than adding the vertical grip as suggested by the rep ... one of the reasons I'm looking at the camera is size ... as in smaller.

    A7II is almost there (from my perspective). I hope they address these in the rumored A9 (and a dual card would be a nice bonus). And let's not forget some fast primes (Canon/Nikon 24mm/35mm 1.4 is small enough so size can't be used as an excuse).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrewk View Post
    Some of us were attracted to the "a" series for its compactness. The a7m2 is 183 grams heavier, a 44% increase. Make no mistake, that weight gain is very significant, as is the increase in the overall girth.
    It's quite possible that the camera will feel lighter in hand with the larger grip as you'll hve more surface to hold onto. It's even possible that maybe the weight with a lens is more evenly distributed in hand causing for an improved balance in feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    It's quite possible that the camera will feel lighter in hand with the larger grip as you'll hve more surface to hold onto. It's even possible that maybe the weight with a lens is more evenly distributed in hand causing for an improved balance in feel.
    I agree, but those improved ergonomics mean nothing with the added weight and space in a camera bag.

    Minor quibbles, though, and as I said, it's a worthwhile tradeoff. My main concern is with the autofocus, especially in low light. Here again, the a6000 is much improved over the a7. It's silly to not include functionality that already exists in future iterations of a higher level camera.

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    Does anyone know if the a7II will have the same quiet a7 shutter or the noisy a7r shutter? (Looking at the posts above it seems some think there will be a vibration issue.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    Does anyone know if the a7II will have the same quiet a7 shutter or the noisy a7r shutter? (Looking at the posts above it seems some think there will be a vibration issue.)
    I don't think anyone could say for sure but I'd guess it's the same shutter setup as the A7 since the flash sync speed is the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrewk View Post
    Some of us were attracted to the "a" series for its compactness. The a7m2 is 183 grams heavier, a 44% increase. Make no mistake, that weight gain is very significant, as is the increase in the overall girth.
    Hope some who are enthusiastic about the IBIS will already take note of this (significant increase in size and weight) while ordering one.

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    Me too - but perhaps they just try different ones until one takes off? . . . this one (FE) seems to have taken off so I imagine they'll stick with it?

    Only Time Will Tell.
    I remember reading an interview with some Sony Head Guru in a hifi magazine a few decades ago. Might have been The head guru actually. The only thing I remember from that interview is how he described Sony's product strategy. It was something like: Mainly, we are just fooling around, experimenting, and sometimes someone has a good idea, and if it's really good, we start making it. Most ideas never made it into production and even a large portion of those that did, ultimately failed. This was the way, again according to how I remember that interview, the Walkman was created and the reason why, for me, Walkman has always been the definition of Sony. A simple product that was developed into a zillion more or less advanced versions, but which in the end proved to be an evolutionary dead end. Interestingly, it was a dead end because Sony refused to accept MP3, the technology that replaced it. So the Walkman wasn't replaced by the Digiman or Miniman but by the iPod, in spite of Sony being the inventor of the Minidisc, a product that could have, but didn't.

    While Nikon have made more or less the same product, the SLR camera, for over 50 years. constantly upgrading, updating and refining it, Sony gave up on that technology after a few attempts. Then came the NEX and the SLT and now the full frame NEX, all cameras that work well, but also cameras that are completely different in concept and nature. Sometimes, different concepts can be suitable for several existing customer groups, but often, they leave their customers behind when they jump to the next technology, although there is still a solid base for whatever came before it. If it had been developed.

    The A7 II is possibly the best camera in the world right now, but there are already rumours floating around about a Sony MF mirrorless. That will be even better, and it will have new everything
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    I believe there is still ample opportunity for innovation in photographic gear. What I hope for is that Sony produces a well rounded complete FE camera system that is a joy to use for an extended period of time while they continue to innovate in parallel to this system.
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    but which in the end proved to be an evolutionary dead end. Interestingly, it was a dead end because Sony refused to accept MP3, the technology that replaced it. So the Walkman wasn't replaced by the Digiman or Miniman but by the iPod, in spite of Sony being the inventor of the Minidisc, a product that could have, but didn't.
    A similar argument can be made today with regard to Nikon and Canon's attitude towards mirrorless. With each new iteration from the likes of Sony et al., we see an increasing amount of clear blue water opening up between camera companies. One wonders how much longer the Big Two can afford to wait before finally getting in the game in a serious way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Hope some who are enthusiastic about the IBIS will already take note of this (significant increase in size and weight) while ordering one.
    Sounds perfect to me. Weighs less than a Leica M, but adds just enough heft to balance better with some of my favorite fast aperture optics.

    IBIS and a bit more weight will help with lower light hand-held work IMO.

    Is the extra "Girth" due to a deeper grip? That would be welcome also.

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    Because the pixel density for a 24MP FF sensor is not high enough to avoid aliasing/false detail in a lot of shooting situations.
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    I really don't think this is the case - there are plenty of 24mp sensors with no AA filter.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    Does anyone know if the a7II will have the same quiet a7 shutter or the noisy a7r shutter? (Looking at the posts above it seems some think there will be a vibration issue.)
    HI Bill
    the A7 shutter is just as loud as the A7r shutter unless you turn on Electronic First Curtain on the A7, which makes it shorter rather than quieter. The A7s has a full electronic shutter option (silent). It would be nice if the A7ii had this - but I imagine it will be just like the A7, ie same shutter with an EFC option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve P. View Post
    A similar argument can be made today with regard to Nikon and Canon's attitude towards mirrorless. With each new iteration from the likes of Sony et al., we see an increasing amount of clear blue water opening up between camera companies. One wonders how much longer the Big Two can afford to wait before finally getting in the game in a serious way.
    Not really. With MP3, you could suddenly carry thousands of cassettes in your pocket. Mirrorless cameras use the same sensors and the same storage media as DSLR cameras. You can make the bodies much smaller, but if you compare two compact pro cameras, like the D750 and the GH4, there isn't really that much difference. The Nikon is 50% heavier, and some lenses, particularly long ones, are larger, but for those who don't travel much and don't shoot much video, the advantages are debatable.

    The A7 is smaller of course, but ergonomics suffer, and lenses aren't particularly compact. Rather the opposite actually, if compared to something like a Pentax Limited lens. Add to that a shutter that is actually noisier than many DSLR varieties, and it's easy to understand those who choose to stay with "ancient" technology. I wouldn't be surprised if the D750 outsells the total of all A7 varieties by a healthy margin.

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    Jorgen, I believe my point to be valid in the context I originally framed it. I don't disagree with your points on recording media, weight or dimensions, but I see that as outside my intended context which referred only to the tendency of companies to protect their established technologies in the face of new ones, often to their long term detriment. One wonders how long Nikon and Canon might continue to dabble in mirrorless before embracing it wholeheartedly or whether one or both may find that they have waited too long and "missed the boat."
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    So aside from the protrusion of the new grip, it's the same size. That's what I thought. I like that Sony has equipped it with an all metal lens mount too.

    As said before, looks like an even better body to use my Leica R and Nikkor lenses on.

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    Lot of debate here but sounds damn good to me. It may just push me enough to go full FE and sell my A77II
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    Re: The Sony A7II

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    As said before, looks like an even better body to use my Leica R and Nikkor lenses on.

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    Re: The Sony A7II

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    Not really. With MP3, you could suddenly carry thousands of cassettes in your pocket. Mirrorless cameras use the same sensors and the same storage media as DSLR cameras. You can make the bodies much smaller, but if you compare two compact pro cameras, like the D750 and the GH4, there isn't really that much difference. The Nikon is 50% heavier, and some lenses, particularly long ones, are larger, but for those who don't travel much and don't shoot much video, the advantages are debatable.

    The A7 is smaller of course, but ergonomics suffer, and lenses aren't particularly compact. Rather the opposite actually, if compared to something like a Pentax Limited lens. Add to that a shutter that is actually noisier than many DSLR varieties, and it's easy to understand those who choose to stay with "ancient" technology. I wouldn't be surprised if the D750 outsells the total of all A7 varieties by a healthy margin.
    What makes all the difference IMO is the mirrorless and EVF aspect, not the size. I love the EVF and think that this has introduced a new paradigm : mirrorless bodies with their EVF are to digital DSLRs what DSLRs have been to SLRs. The fact that being mirrorless they can get smaller and lighter than DSLRs is the cherry on the cake.

    When it comes to size, having both an A7r and an EM5, I think that for small size the MFT format makes more sense because it is allowing smaller lenses and all together a much lighter system than the A7 series. When they manage to fix AF, mirrorless bodies will sweep DSLRs. It isn't a question of storage capacity, but that of the convenience of live view and EVF.
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    What makes all the difference IMO is the mirrorless and EVF aspect, not the size. I love the EVF and think that this has introduced a new paradigm : mirrorless bodies with their EVF are to digital DSLRs what DSLRs have been to SLRs. The fact that being mirrorless they can get smaller and lighter than DSLRs is the cherry on the cake.

    When it comes to size, having both an A7r and an EM5, I think that for small size the MFT format makes more sense because it is allowing smaller lenses and all together a much lighter system than the A7 series. When they manage to fix AF, mirrorless bodies will sweep DSLRs. It isn't a question of storage capacity, but that of the convenience of live view and EVF.
    I mostly find the EVF superior to an OVF, but while there are situations where an EVF doesn't work very well (sports photography is probably the most important), there are none except for video where an OVF can't be used.

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    *Yawn* Another remarkable game-changing, bar-raising product from Sony?

    (tossing it into the heap alongside the RX1, RX100, NEX7 and "old" A7)

    Like a lot of you, I'm scratching my head over these so-called "upgrades" which do nothing but enhance image quality and functionality while doing nothing to address real problems that we face, such as scratched LCD windows, to say nothing about the lack of choice in body colors and cladding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4season View Post
    *Yawn* Another remarkable game-changing, bar-raising product from Sony?

    (tossing it into the heap alongside the RX1, RX100, NEX7 and "old" A7)

    Like a lot of you, I'm scratching my head over these so-called "upgrades" which do nothing but enhance image quality and functionality while doing nothing to address real problems that we face, such as scratched LCD windows, to say nothing about the lack of choice in body colors and cladding.
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    With the heavier weight, will it use larger batteries? A larger grip alone (and perhaps even IBIS) surely does not account for this. More solid build all round? We are talking three Mars bars here.

    Re the weight, for general use it won't make much difference, but for street photographers using wrist straps it surely will. That said, these days there are much better options out there compared to Leica M or anything remotely in the 600g category IMO.

    I too am surprised they did not give us the A600 AF. Perhaps they are not just worried about hitting DSLR sales but also the future top end model. 30% faster may end up being only under 'optimal conditions' rather than there all the time. We'll find out soon enough. Still, for me, IBIS is a huge bonus; however, they will need to provide smaller RAW options on the Alpha 9 if it has the fancy AF and 50 MP sensor.

    What about the Alpha 8? Is the A7 II actually the base model, with a high resolution 9 coming and perhaps a speed orientated sibling to sit alongside it in the 'pro' category? That would make sense to me....

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    My guess is that Turtle's last sentence hits the mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I mostly find the EVF superior to an OVF, but while there are situations where an EVF doesn't work very well (sports photography is probably the most important), there are none except for video where an OVF can't be used.
    There is at least one case where OVFs aren't up to EVFs : when using a TSE manual lens and trying to ascertain whether you have nailed focus or not. Not even checking focus afterward is good enough in my Canon 6D, because of a very mediocre implementation of the LCD (lack if contrast, low resolution, low magnification level and a fixed LCD not allowing you any escape from the direct sunlight).

    TSE lenses are an extreme case, but whenever I want to focus manually on the 6D, my eyes aren't able to judge focus, because there is neither magnification, nor the red/yellow peaking countour available.

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    Because the pixel density for a 24MP FF sensor is not high enough to avoid aliasing/false detail in a lot of shooting situations.
    Really? The how come they remove the AA filter with the RX1r?

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    There is at least one case where OVFs aren't up to EVFs : when using a TSE manual lens and trying to ascertain whether you have nailed focus or not. Not even checking focus afterward is good enough in my Canon 6D, because of a very mediocre implementation of the LCD (lack if contrast, low resolution, low magnification level and a fixed LCD not allowing you any escape from the direct sunlight).

    TSE lenses are an extreme case, but whenever I want to focus manually on the 6D, my eyes aren't able to judge focus, because there is neither magnification, nor the red/yellow peaking countour available.
    I absolutely live my TSE on my A7r. I seriously can't miss focus unless I do it on purpose . I'm using those lenses as normal lenses as well. I could even do street work with them if I wanted too , they focus really well.
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    Really? The how come they remove the AA filter with the RX1r?

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    They can tailor the lens to match the sensor since it is a cybershot. Can't have that with an OTUS and shoot video with it (moire).

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    Just wait for the Hasselblad version, I'm sure that will cater to all your needs
    I thought Hasselblad stopped the luxury Sony cameras...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4season View Post
    *Yawn* Another remarkable game-changing, bar-raising product from Sony?

    (tossing it into the heap alongside the RX1, RX100, NEX7 and "old" A7)

    Like a lot of you, I'm scratching my head over these so-called "upgrades" which do nothing but enhance image quality and functionality while doing nothing to address real problems that we face, such as scratched LCD windows, to say nothing about the lack of choice in body colors and cladding.
    You can always buy a Giotto or Sony LCD Screen Protector...

    There are some pretty significant upgrades on the new version - specifically ergo it's, improved speed, and IBIS. Despite the negative tone of many this is the 4th FE body and there are 14 FE lenses available for purchase or preorder now with another 3-5 coming in the first half of 2015.
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    Lot of debate here but sounds damn good to me. It may just push me enough to go full FE and sell my A77II
    I think you'll want to hold off for the A9 announcements if at all possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    They can tailor the lens to match the sensor since it is a cybershot. Can't have that with an OTUS and shoot video with it (moire).
    ... and on the D7100 and K5?

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    Apples and pumkins, Louis. crop senors and high pixel density vs FF sensor. Do not be misled by the pixel count, consider the real estate involved..
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    I thought Hasselblad stopped the luxury Sony cameras...
    Not that I know of, recently they further upgraded the Lunar with a limited edition.

    Obviously they first have to do a pimped a7 before even considering a pimped a7II
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    Just wait for the Hasselblad version, I'm sure that will cater to all your needs
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    Not that I know of, recently they further upgraded the Lunar with a limited edition.

    Obviously they first have to do a pimped a7 before even considering a pimped a7II
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4season View Post
    *Yawn* Another remarkable game-changing, bar-raising product from Sony?

    (tossing it into the heap alongside the RX1, RX100, NEX7 and "old" A7)

    Like a lot of you, I'm scratching my head over these so-called "upgrades" which do nothing but enhance image quality and functionality while doing nothing to address real problems that we face, such as scratched LCD windows, to say nothing about the lack of choice in body colors and cladding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turtle View Post
    With the heavier weight, will it use larger batteries? A larger grip alone (and perhaps even IBIS) surely does not account for this. More solid build all round? We are talking three Mars bars here. ...
    I like your unit of measure.

    Well, let's think a moment. The standard battery weighs 51g on my scale. Many users add the grip and a second battery to get more battery life out if the A7/r/s, and few complain that that weighs too much. If they double the size of the battery, doubling its weight and facilitated by the extra space afforded by the new grip, that plus the new grip would obviate the need for the add-on grip for many. That's 50g plus whatever the structure of the new grip costs in weight. Then add the additional internal weight for the IBIS system. I think 125g would cover a double-sized battery plus the structure for the new grip and the IBIS system.

    Of course, if they ship it with the same battery as the A7, I'll wonder where the extra weight came from too.

    None of which is daunting to me at all. I use this body with my kit of very heavy Leica SLR lenses most of the time. An extra 4oz in the body isn't going to change things by very much at all and, who knows?, it might eliminate the dreaded shutter shock... ];-)

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    Great solution! ;
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    of course now you could nonchalantly lounge against a lamppost with a ciggy in one hand and snap whatever you want with 5-axis IBIS!

    FIVE axis.

    That's like ... more than three ... way more than three. Way better. Awesome even.

    I want to see some IBIS tests, I still haven't seen decent tests of Olympus' newest systems yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I like your unit of measure.

    Of course, if they ship it with the same battery as the A7, I'll wonder where the extra weight came from too.

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    I have looked at the extended specifications listed by DPreview in their comparing tool and most specs, including battery are identical. Not sure whether this is correct, or whether this is due to a copy/paste and they just changed what is already known to be different. (AF characteristics and processor are exactly the same as for the A7, yet Sony clames a 30% AF speed increase)

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    The battery is the same. The added weight and girth are due entirely to the inclusion of IBIS.

    I'm hoping they found ways to improve internal efficiencies. IBIS only adds to power demands, so if all other things remain equal, battery life is bound to be less than before.

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    Well this is what I saw. The design Center that gives them the "celestial" treatment is supposed to close. Surprise: Hasselblad closes design center and ends the “luxury” camera business? | sonyalpharumors
    They're closing the design centre but I hear rumours that they intend to carry on from a rhinestone studded, gold leafed garden shed in the C.E.O's back yard.
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    I'm not worried about the weight increase either because it is still less than a Leica M and includes IBIS, EVF and a good grip. I think 600g is a good place to stay though. I hope the A9 is not a lot heavier.

    As for lighter options, well, I have no intention of selling my A7 and A7R... they're still amazing cameras.

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