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    Re: The Sony A7II

    It's actually a superior zoom to anything I have used. It's really good. I'll be putting that whole system up soon for sale just need to get past a shoot next week.
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    [QUOTE=Guy Mancuso;612488]My personal issue and it's really not a shooting issue is having the 2 mounts.

    I'm going to wait until there's at least one fast FE prime over 80mm before coming back to Sony. I love the shooting experience of the A7 and the zoom range is certainly covered, but just can't get used to adapters because SSM lenses really draw battery on the EA-3/4 and they're not weather resistant - something that's really useful for me.

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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Estimated arrival in US is now Dec 9th and pre-orders are now being taken by Sony. Amazon and B&H . Thanks to Mark Esposito for the heads up. I ordered it at Amazon. Now need to decide if it can do my runway gig in January.
    You're welcome. I put my order in as well. 24mp on a FF sensor seems like the sweet spot (to me) for everything but large print landscape. It'll be interesting to see how well the new IBIS works.

    What a brilliant move it was though. The one system that completely encourages BYOL (Bring your own Lens) goes a step further to make those lenses work even better. That is an extremely customer-friendly thing to do. Even if it's only a bridge until they have move native FE lenses, it's good for us and Sony.
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    After some thought, I went ahead and pre-ordered on BH. I had considered waiting on the a9, but my guess is that will be in the low/mid $2k range. Since the 24mpx has been plenty for me, not much point in spending the extra $$$.

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    I'll be interested to hear all you early adopters' opinions. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I'll be interested to hear all you early adopters' opinions. :-)
    Me too.
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    Re: The Sony A7II

    More than that, i would be interested to know the Asian street prices. It looks like the EU version will have a gold lens mount.

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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Anyone see the vertical grip listed anywhere. I'll do global on that
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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Reading the PDF file on this cam. Some highlights

    16-bit image processing and 14-bit RAW output
    Area-specific noise reduction
    Pro-quality XAVC S format
    Full-frame expression without the bulk
    Picture Profile
    Clean HDMI output
    S-Log2 gamma setting
    Time code / User bit
    16-bit image processing and 14-bit RAW output help
    preserve maximum detail and produce images of the
    highest quality with rich tonal gradations. The 14-bit RAW
    (Sony ARW) format ensures optimal quality for later image
    adjustment (via Image Data Converter or other software).


    When your subject is moving fast, you
    can beautifully capture the decisive
    moment with sharp, well-exposed results
    via 5fps continuous AF/AE shooting.
    A dramatically improved algorithm
    accurately predicts subject movement
    so you can steadfastly track the subject
    with 1.5x more accurate performance*
    when shooting continuously. 117 focal
    plane phase-detection AF points ensure
    accurate tracking over a wide area
    for up to 77 frames (JPEG Fine L) at 5fps.
    Moreover, a continuous AF Display lets
    you confirm which AF point is active.



    Sony AF captures your subject and
    doesn’t let go
    FAST
    AF captures your subject
    without fail
    Autofocusing is amazingly fast. Just
    point, shoot and let Sony’s sophisticated
    Fast Hybrid AF system instantly
    capture your fast-moving subject with
    razor-sharp clarity. Speedy phase-detection
    AF, highly accurate contrastdetection
    AF and high-speed BIONZ
    X image processing contribute to
    outstanding AF performance, while a
    more advanced algorithm enhances
    the accuracy of subject detection,
    leading to optimization of lens drive
    movement that results in a 30%
    faster AF speed*.
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    Re: The Sony A7II

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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Anyone see the vertical grip listed anywhere. I'll do global on that
    Bloomberg has this article that mentions this:

    New accessories designed for use with the new α7II include the VG-C2EM
    vertical grip and LCS-ELCB soft carrying case.

    I did fine a reference to it on sony.co.uk here

    VG-C2EM Vertical Grip for the α7 II
    A vertical battery grip designed especially for the α7 II, this grip enhances stability and camera control in vertical or horizontal shooting. Holds two NP-FW50 rechargeable battery packs (not included) for longer battery life when shooting. Highly reliable water and dust resistant construction.

    Compatible models: α7 II

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    From reading through the specs it would appear that the improvements that Sony claim will be made to the auto-focus performance are most probably firmware/software based as the sensor etc seem to be the same. What really annoys me is that if this is so I presume the auto-focus performance of the present A7 could be improved through a firmware upgrade. My understanding is that over the years Sony have been really bad at updating firmware preferring to bring in new models, while this obviously makes them more money the A7 is only a year old and is even touted by Sony as being a professional camera (after all they now offer a professional service package in the US and maybe elsewhere). I really feel that Sony should change their policy on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Reading the PDF file on this cam. Some highlights

    16-bit image processing and 14-bit RAW output
    Area-specific noise reduction
    Pro-quality XAVC S format
    Full-frame expression without the bulk
    Picture Profile
    Clean HDMI output
    S-Log2 gamma setting
    Time code / User bit
    16-bit image processing and 14-bit RAW output help
    preserve maximum detail and produce images of the
    highest quality with rich tonal gradations. The 14-bit RAW
    (Sony ARW) format ensures optimal quality for later image
    adjustment (via Image Data Converter or other software).


    When your subject is moving fast, you
    can beautifully capture the decisive
    moment with sharp, well-exposed results
    via 5fps continuous AF/AE shooting.
    A dramatically improved algorithm
    accurately predicts subject movement
    so you can steadfastly track the subject
    with 1.5x more accurate performance*
    when shooting continuously. 117 focal
    plane phase-detection AF points ensure
    accurate tracking over a wide area
    for up to 77 frames (JPEG Fine L) at 5fps.
    Moreover, a continuous AF Display lets
    you confirm which AF point is active.



    Sony AF captures your subject and
    doesn’t let go
    FAST
    AF captures your subject
    without fail
    Autofocusing is amazingly fast. Just
    point, shoot and let Sony’s sophisticated
    Fast Hybrid AF system instantly
    capture your fast-moving subject with
    razor-sharp clarity. Speedy phase-detection
    AF, highly accurate contrastdetection
    AF and high-speed BIONZ
    X image processing contribute to
    outstanding AF performance, while a
    more advanced algorithm enhances
    the accuracy of subject detection,
    leading to optimization of lens drive
    movement that results in a 30%
    faster AF speed*.
    I've done some "spec diving" on the A7 II, I was sort of 50/50 if I should trade my A6000 for A7 II as I'm still struggling with ergonomic differences between A7R and A6000, we won't see much light for next 6 months so FF rules here and I'm not that much of an action shooter. But it seems outside IBIS the A7 II is not that much different from A7

    - AF sensitivity is the same, so low light AF same. The -1EV sensitivity got hyped in for example dpreview a bit, but Sony changed how it specifies the sensitivity between A7/A7R and A7S.
    * A7/A7R are 0-20EV ISO F/2.8 lens
    * A7S is -4-20 EV ISO100 F/2.0 lens
    * A7 II is -1-20 ISO100 F/2.0 lens.

    1 EV is one stop so A7S has 3 EV better sensitivity than others that are all same. This makes perfect sense since low light AF is always CDAF and since sensor has practically same ISO performance same the AF sensitivity does not change. A7S is much better due to its huge ISO advantage

    - RAW is still compressed, same old ARW 2.3. There has been quite heated discussions in dpreview about this lately about whether or not it matters, but no change there

    - sensor-PDAF is not gonna be on level of A6000; much less PDAF points grouped in center of the frame ==> no PDAF tracking in the edge of the screen and less samples due to less dense PDAF "grid". sensor-PDAF points are way smaller (thus less light sensitive and less accurate) than those in saparate AF system in floppy-mirror/SLT camera so density matters; the more PDAF points cower your target the more accurate rangefing PDAF gets. Sony has admitted that with less PDAF points A7 II cannot do all the magic A6000 can

    - all the area specific NR stuff were already in A7/A7R, those are Bionz X features

    - no improvement on Auto-ISO, still no configurable min shutter speed. This should have been really easy fix, but it did not materialize

    - no changes in bracketing, still limited, again should have been really easy fix

    So to my eye outside IBIS there is not that much there for a still photog, video guys should be excited about new codec etc.

    I just ordered APO Sonnar 135/2 ZE for my metabones adapter, that lens would like IBIS a lot but I still want the 36 MP sensor with it and I mostly shoot with speedlites/strobes during winter so IBIS does not do much; the EVF stabilization would be nice for focusing but still...
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    I note this morning that, whereas the price of the A7 mk.1 in the U.K. has been around 11-1200, Calumet UK are offering it for 899 until Dec 1st,(while stocks last). It begins.
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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve P. View Post
    Truth to tell I more or less assumed after the negative feedback on shutter noise that Sony had addressed this with the A7s and that going forward they would apply at least some sort of quieter shutter option to all new models. If this is not the case I'll be truly dismayed. Does anyone know if the Mk. ii shutter is any quieter than the Mk. i?
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    I think they would have said - The A7s was only sorted because it had a full electronic shutter - I don't think you could do that (yet) with 24mp, and certainly it doesn't seem like it. If you switched off the electronic shutter on the A7s, then it sounded just like an A7 with EFC switched on.

    At least with EFC and IBIS you're unlikely to get any vibration effect from the shutter - just the noise, and that's not insupportable.

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    Hi Jono,
    I guess I was hoping that, given the number of 'unhappy campers' voicing their concerns on shutter noise after release, Sony may have been prompted to improve it in the mk.2 to some extent. Personally I'd be happier with a max speed of 1/4000 if it enabled better damping of the shutter. I must say though that I'm starting to feel a little churlish in complaining too much about the details when these cameras offer so damn much in ways that were unheard of not so long ago.
    Still, I'll continue to look the gift horse squarely in the mouth for as long as I possibly can.
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    To me, one of the more important improvements to the A7II is the steel lens mount. Since I'm not buying an A7II any time soon, I just ordered one of the Fotodiox steel lens mount updates for my A7. $40 is a cheap price to pay for a significant improvement like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1krr View Post
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    So to my eye outside IBIS there is not that much there for a still photog, video guys should be excited about new codec etc....
    The ergonomics changes are big for a still photographer (that uses the camera all day long).

    For me, the big letdown was the EVF refresh rate. It's not good in low light. Because of that, it's a no starter for me. Coupled with the small choices of native lenses ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    It's possible. I had the 70-200/2.8 mk I. It's a great lens and I hear the newer one is even better. It's one of a few lenses I regret selling. The FE version is competent (probably better for what I'd need) when I tried it in store but it's nowhere as good optically as the A-mount versions.
    Interesting - I've been looking at the photozone reviews, and they really like the 70-200 f4.

    I'd been wondering about the A7ii with the FE 70-200 f4 vs the Olympus E-M1 with the lovely new 40-150 f2.8 (clearly an excellent lens). The combined weight isn't actually that different - which is a bit of an eye opener.

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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Interesting - I've been looking at the photozone reviews, and they really like the 70-200 f4.

    I'd been wondering about the A7ii with the FE 70-200 f4 vs the Olympus E-M1 with the lovely new 40-150 f2.8 (clearly an excellent lens). The combined weight isn't actually that different - which is a bit of an eye opener.
    The equivalent focal length would be the Panasonic 35-10mm, Jono. Big difference:


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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Interesting - I've been looking at the photozone reviews, and they really like the 70-200 f4.

    I'd been wondering about the A7ii with the FE 70-200 f4 vs the Olympus E-M1 with the lovely new 40-150 f2.8 (clearly an excellent lens). The combined weight isn't actually that different - which is a bit of an eye opener.
    I have the 70-200mm FE F4 and on the A7r my copy isn't as good as the Canon 70-200mm F4 on the Metabones adapter. I'm also thinking to the Olympus 40-150mm which is one stop faster and reaches 100mm longer (80-300mm equivalent). So, for the same weight you get more performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Interesting - I've been looking at the photozone reviews, and they really like the 70-200 f4.

    I'd been wondering about the A7ii with the FE 70-200 f4 vs the Olympus E-M1 with the lovely new 40-150 f2.8 (clearly an excellent lens). The combined weight isn't actually that different - which is a bit of an eye opener.
    I think you should not compare the Sony 70-200/4 with the Olympus 40-150/2.8 - total different beasts for total different applications.

    With the Olympus you get an effective reach of 300 at 2.8 and adding the TC1.4 gives you a 420/4 - far more than the Sony. And the TC combinations from Olympus are stellar, I know this from the 35-100/2 with the TC1.4 which was EXCELLENT and I have no doubts that the m43 combo is not as good at least!

    Also keep in mind that there should be soon a new generation of m43 sensors with even higher MP count and more DR. So what it finally comes down is can you survive with that newer m43 sensor MP count or will you need something north of 36MP FF ?????

    I for myself have the answer - m43! Well not completely because this is in addition to Fuji X
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    ... and another thing. Have they finally fixed the awful implementation of auto-iso on this new camera? Maybe they should have put some investment into firmware before introducing another body...

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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Quote Originally Posted by tn1krr View Post
    I've done some "spec diving" on the A7 II, I was sort of 50/50 if I should trade my A6000 for A7 II as I'm still struggling with ergonomic ...
    Having owned the A6000, at the end of the day I preferred the larger EVF view from the A7. I file this under ergonomics.
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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    ... and another thing. Have they finally fixed the awful implementation of auto-iso on this new camera? Maybe they should have put some investment into firmware before introducing another body...

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    Don't believe so but we'll see.

    Personally, I would rather have the new hardware based IBIS than a firmware update and I don't see that one has to happen at the expense of another.

    Fuji has spoiled the pot with their firmware kaizen and it is a great differentiator. Unless Sony markets their intentions to use firmware updates to continually improve their cameras I make my purchase decisions on the base specs and configurations.

    All that said, Sony seems to have a one foot in the door approach to firmware kaizen. You might get new features and or existing feature improvements or you might get a big fat nothing (See RX1).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    The equivalent focal length would be the Panasonic 35-10mm, Jono. Big difference:

    Well Jorgen - not quite . . because the extra mp gives you more croppability - extra because Im not over fond of 4:3 and usually crop to 3:2 anyway . . . and the equivalent aperture (FWIW) is f5.6 on the f2.8 43 (light gathering will be more than made up for by the better ISO).

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    Re: The Sony A7II

    Anyone notice that not only did they eliminate the shelf in the front of the camera, where the original A7 control dial sat, but they also reworked the rear and eliminated the shelf where the play button was situated above. Hitting play on the A7 was very awkward at first as you would rub up against that shelf. After a year of use I don't notice it now but the new design looks much more finger friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    ... and another thing. Have they finally fixed the awful implementation of auto-iso on this new camera? Maybe they should have put some investment into firmware before introducing another body...

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    What's so awful about the implementation of AutoISO?
    Seems to work just fine for me.. ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    What's so awful about the implementation of AutoISO?
    Seems to work just fine for me.. ??

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    I would prefer being able to specify a minimum shutter speed. 1/60 just doesn't work well for me with longer lenses. I usually end up using shutter priority or manual instead of aperture priority because of this fixed 1/60 minimum when using AutoISO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    I would prefer being able to specify a minimum shutter speed. 1/60 just doesn't work well for me with longer lenses. I usually end up using shutter priority or manual instead of aperture priority because of this fixed 1/60 minimum when using AutoISO.
    I guess I just hadn't noticed it very much. I have the 50mm on the camera a good bit of the time and just swap to M mode when I want a longer exposure time. With the 90mm or longer, I use M mode most of the time when the light gets dicey. (Remember: for me, the A7 is for adapted lenses. There is no shutter priority or program mode with adapted lenses, just A and M.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Interesting - I've been looking at the photozone reviews, and they really like the 70-200 f4.

    I'd been wondering about the A7ii with the FE 70-200 f4 vs the Olympus E-M1 with the lovely new 40-150 f2.8 (clearly an excellent lens). The combined weight isn't actually that different - which is a bit of an eye opener.
    That's not to say the 70-200 FE is bad... It's not a bad lens at all. I'm on the fence about picking one up still after trying it in store but compared to the A-mount versions it's not remotely in the same league. On the A7s it focused quickly and accurately and I think it would be a nice travel lens for most. For me its still a bit of a compromise on the A7r compared to the A-mount versions.

    The weight and balance is really nice on it though I must say. How it compares to the Olympus I can't say but I don't think you could go wrong with either. I think the Sony FE is a bit more demanding to develop for when it comes to lenses that standup to the A7R but it may do fine for the A7II... I only had my A7R with me that day. The 70-200 FE certainly did well with the A7s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I guess I just hadn't noticed it very much. I have the 50mm on the camera a good bit of the time and just swap to M mode when I want a longer exposure time. With the 90mm or longer, I use M mode most of the time when the light gets dicey. (Remember: for me, the A7 is for adapted lenses. There is no shutter priority or program mode with adapted lenses, just A and M.)

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    I think you can still use Shutter Priority with adapted lenses since you're setting aperture on the lens correct? You should be able to see how the shot will turn out with settings effect on I think. I know I certainly used it on my Safari without negative results.
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    What's so awful about the implementation of AutoISO?
    Seems to work just fine for me.. ??

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    What's so awful about the implementation of AutoISO?
    Seems to work just fine for me.. ??

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    The parameters are just very limited compared to some other implementations. For instance on the Leica M you can have 1x, 1/2x, 1/4x focal length, plus lens dependent and specific chosen shutter speeds. Not a game changer perhaps, but the focal length bit means you can change lenses without screwing your Auto ISO. It would be so simple to fix (but they don't seem to have done it).

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    Anyone notice that not only did they eliminate the shelf in the front of the camera, where the original A7 control dial sat, but they also reworked the rear and eliminated the shelf where the play button was situated above. Hitting play on the A7 was very awkward at first as you would rub up against that shelf. After a year of use I don't notice it now but the new design looks much more finger friendly.
    I noticed that from day one and it still is awkward. The improvement/change is quite nice.

    One more change is the mic/HDMI/USB port loactions. While it may not make much of a difference for actual use, should enhance the stability of the body. We are beginning to see a possibility for a Sony ILCE camera with a real chassis.
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    HI Godfrey
    The parameters are just very limited compared to some other implementations. For instance on the Leica M you can have 1x, 1/2x, 1/4x focal length, plus lens dependent and specific chosen shutter speeds. Not a game changer perhaps, but the focal length bit means you can change lenses without screwing your Auto ISO. It would be so simple to fix (but they don't seem to have done it).
    And Sean Elwood from Sony Australia confirmed in facebook that there are no changes he can see in regards to auto-ISO. He had the A7 II in hand and was taking questions; I inquired about auto-ISO and this is what he told.

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    Well Jorgen - not quite . . because the extra mp gives you more croppability - extra because Im not over fond of 4:3 and usually crop to 3:2 anyway . . . and the equivalent aperture (FWIW) is f5.6 on the f2.8 43 (light gathering will be more than made up for by the better ISO).
    Technically, you are right of course, but me, I judge a lens/camera from what I see in the viewfinder and later on print. Cropping is for graphic designers... which is what I am but not when I take photos

    But seriously, the whole cropping debate is a bit alien to me. When taking photos, my relatively limited capacity brain struggles enough trying to figure out if what I see within the whole frame is something that resembles a good photograph. Understanding the cropping potential of a photo is something I do with cameras that spend most of their lives on a tripod

    The comparison I made was to see which of these camera/lens combinations would be best suited for travel. For that, the Panasonic wins by a wide margin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Technically, you are right of course, but me, I judge a lens/camera from what I see in the viewfinder and later on print. Cropping is for graphic designers... which is what I am but not when I take photos

    But seriously, the whole cropping debate is a bit alien to me. When taking photos, my relatively limited capacity brain struggles enough trying to figure out if what I see within the whole frame is something that resembles a good photograph. Understanding the cropping potential of a photo is something I do with cameras that spend most of their lives on a tripod

    The comparison I made was to see which of these camera/lens combinations would be best suited for travel. For that, the Panasonic wins by a wide margin.
    You don't need to crop in post. With the A7II you can apply cropping in-camera using the APS mode which extends the range of the Sony 70-200 to 300mm, based on the same MP count as the smaller 4/3 sensor. On this basis, the size comparison with the Panasonic is not relevant. The Olympus size comparison is the one you need to compare to given the same reach at the top end and the 5-axis IBIS.
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    I think you can still use Shutter Priority with adapted lenses since you're setting aperture on the lens correct? You should be able to see how the shot will turn out with settings effect on I think. I know I certainly used it on my Safari without negative results.
    Shutter priority operates like Manual with an adapted lens, Program operates like Aperture priority. They work fine, but they're not the same as using a lens that the body can control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Shutter priority operates like Manual with an adapted lens, Program operates like Aperture priority. They work fine, but they're not the same as using a lens that the body can control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambert View Post
    You don't need to crop in post. With the A7II you can apply cropping in-camera using the APS mode which extends the range of the Sony 70-200 to 300mm, based on the same MP count as the smaller 4/3 sensor. On this basis, the size comparison with the Panasonic is not relevant. The Olympus size comparison is the one you need to compare to given the same reach at the top end and the 5-axis IBIS.
    i disagree strongly. Composing an image in the viewfinder takes a fraction of the time it would take to re-evaluate the composition on the LCD and then make a crop. After I've pushed the shutter release, I will prepare for the next shot, not waste time compensating for the shortcomings of my gear.

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    Is anyone successfully using an LCD loupe that attaches magnetically onto A7 series?

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    i disagree strongly. Composing an image in the viewfinder takes a fraction of the time it would take to re-evaluate the composition on the LCD and then make a crop. After I've pushed the shutter release, I will prepare for the next shot, not waste time compensating for the shortcomings of my gear.
    Not sure what you mean?? As soon as you select APS crop mode, the image appears cropped in real time in the EVF and on the LCD.

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    Not sure what you mean?? As soon as you select APS crop mode, the image appears cropped in real time in the EVF and on the LCD.
    I see. I misunderstood you, but then you have an even smaller file than what m4/3 offers. With 10MP from the A7 II in crop mode, the GH4/E-M1 files are actually around 60% larger (area), while a full sized A7 file is only around 50% larger than the m4/3 files.

    For many uses, the telephoto discussion is rather uninteresting though. Telephoto lenses are used by many for action, sports, birding and wildlife photography, but with a burst mode of less than 3fps (or is it faster in crop mode?) unless one can live with locked AF, it's not really an interesting camera for those applications. That would be the A77 II or if mirrorless, something from Panasonic, Olympus or Samsung.

    Sorry if this looks like a negative attitude from my side, but I try to figure out if this camera would be better for my uses than what I already have. So far, no such luck. I would still like to have one though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Technically, you are right of course, but me, I judge a lens/camera from what I see in the viewfinder and later on print. Cropping is for graphic designers... which is what I am but not when I take photos

    But seriously, the whole cropping debate is a bit alien to me. When taking photos, my relatively limited capacity brain struggles enough trying to figure out if what I see within the whole frame is something that resembles a good photograph. Understanding the cropping potential of a photo is something I do with cameras that spend most of their lives on a tripod

    The comparison I made was to see which of these camera/lens combinations would be best suited for travel. For that, the Panasonic wins by a wide margin.
    Ho Hum - well, Silas despises me for cropping - but I do it all the time - certainly in my head when shooting (and I never use a tripod unless I'm testing). To be honest it's not often that much, and it's almost always to the same aspect ratio . . . which is (and always has been) my only real problem with 43.

    It might be something to do with using a rangefinder most of the time, as the framelines aren't strictly accurate it's safer to leave a little room for error on the outside of the image. Also - edges of images are often important to me, and even with an SLR it's safer to leave a little more than you need.

    This really is a tough decision for me - this morning I went shooting with the E-M1 and the Leica 80-200 lens in really murky conditions (200mm f4 1/20th ISO 1600). The combination worked really well. Sooner or later I'm going to have to come down in one camp or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    i disagree strongly. Composing an image in the viewfinder takes a fraction of the time it would take to re-evaluate the composition on the LCD and then make a crop. After I've pushed the shutter release, I will prepare for the next shot, not waste time compensating for the shortcomings of my gear.
    I quite agree about LCD evaluation - but not about cropping - generally edges matter to me, and what's in them is often critical to a picture, the only way to manage this safely is to allow a little more and then crop in post if necessary (even if it's only a tiny amount)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Ho Hum - well, Silas despises me for cropping - but I do it all the time - certainly in my head when shooting (and I never use a tripod unless I'm testing). To be honest it's not often that much, and it's almost always to the same aspect ratio . . . which is (and always has been) my only real problem with 43.

    It might be something to do with using a rangefinder most of the time, as the framelines aren't strictly accurate it's safer to leave a little room for error on the outside of the image. Also - edges of images are often important to me, and even with an SLR it's safer to leave a little more than you need.

    This really is a tough decision for me - this morning I went shooting with the E-M1 and the Leica 80-200 lens in really murky conditions (200mm f4 1/20th ISO 1600). The combination worked really well. Sooner or later I'm going to have to come down in one camp or the other.
    You can set the E-M1 to 3:2 mode, can't you?

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    Sorry if this looks like a negative attitude from my side, but I try to figure out if this camera would be better for my uses than what I already have. So far, no such luck. I would still like to have one though
    Because it is newly announced?

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    I like the fact that the usual suspects aren't handed a sample to "review" and Sony is selling them direct to those who would buy one.

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