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    New A7II Users Reports

    Try something fresh and new here. Love to see as folks get there new cam some great user comments, feature sets, useful new functions and things that will help others make smart buying decisions about upgrading it or going in new. Sort of a Pro and Cons type of thread. Have fun
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    I am interested in the camera for the SS ("Steady Shot") it offers and the better overall build. Should be a swell camera!

    PS: Given the fact that it comes with a 3 year, all inclusive, service warranty here, the price is also acceptable.
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    I'm excited about this camera as well. Mostly as its a precursor to what we can possibly expect in the A9 series. Definitely looks like a worthy upgrade or entry into the FE system. Looks like they worked over the JPEG engine as well compared to he original cameras (not that they were bad and not like I used JPEG ever.)
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    Re: New A7II Users Reports

    The Eagle has landed.

    Picked mine up a couple hours ago. Haven't had a lot of time to play but here are some very early impressions.

    1. IBIS is as advertised. Works great with my A-mount 135/1.8 on the LAEA. No visual confirmation of IBIS status like you had on A-mount which I miss, but it is doing its job.

    2. Ergonomics - hmmm, I'm not as excited as some reviewers. I prefer the original A7's front and rear dials for aperture and shutter as they are much more rigid and provide better feedback. The new plastic dials are soft and quiet so will likely be a personal preference. I also don't care for how close the front dial is to the power switch. I have already turned the camera off inadvertently once. The shutter button placement, at first appears to be more ideal but I'm not so sure. It is positioned farther to the right of the camera body so you have to pull your finger away from the camera in order to fit the fingertip on the button. Maybe with a soft release I could get used to shooting using the crease of my finger which would be more comfortable. The button itself is less spongy than the A7's and requires less pressure to activate.

    Haven't noticed any difference in the EVF although there may be some.

    Keep in mind, I griped about some of the ergonomics of the original when it came out but today it feels like second nature to operate.

    Beyond IBIS and ergonomics I haven't dug too deep yet but I did discover one KILLER feature that I am not aware was available on the A7 or A7s - Focus Hold. You can now program Focus Hold to any of the custom buttons, allowing you to hold initial focus between multiple shots. I can't tell you how many times I wished I had this feature outside of my lenses that have a hold button. BTW, C3 is about the only button you can comfortably program this feature to.


    Edit* adding additional info from member questions directly to this initial post....

    Steady Shot, when turned on, will activate when using focus zoom. You do NOT have to have the shutter half-pressed to activate.

    In normal composition view (not zoomed in) you DO need to press the shutter to activate Steady Shot.

    I think this is a very smart way to get the benefit of IBIS without a constant battery drain.

    I confirmed this on the LAEA-4, the TechArt Contax G adapter, a VM M-mount adapter (no electronics) and a Fotodiox Contax G adapter (no electronics)

    Auto ISO works the same as it always has on the A7 bodies. Sorry to burst any bubbles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    The button itself is less spongy than the A7's and requires less pressure to activate.
    Does the shutter button have any kind of half stop feel for focus lock?
    I am pleased it feels less spongy, seems they took that fix onboard.

    So far I am in, but in Australia we seem to be getting stock in 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    I did discover one KILLER feature that I am not aware was available on the A7 or A7s - Focus Hold. You can now program Focus Hold to any of the custom buttons, allowing you to hold initial focus between multiple shots. I can't tell you how many times I wished I had this feature outside of my lenses that have a hold button. BTW, C3 is about the only button you can comfortably program this feature to.
    Interesting. I usually just click the button on the AF/MF switch (going into MF) if I want to "lock" focus between shots.

    Thanks for your impressions on the ergonomics, btw.

    One quick question--is there any menu option for minimum shutter speed with Auto-ISO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrewk View Post
    ^^^

    There is a review that claims IBIS is only activated at time of shutter release for third party lenses with no info supplied by the lens. This includes Nikon, Leica and several others.

    Can you verify this if you have the appropriate lens and adapter? It would be a disappointed to not have IBIS for manual focus, especially when zoomed in.

    From my tests:

    Steady Shot, when turned on, will activate when using focus zoom. You do NOT have to have the shutter half-pressed to activate.

    In normal composition view (not zoomed in) you DO need to press the shutter to activate Steady Shot.

    I think this is a very smart way to get the benefit of IBIS without a constant battery drain.

    I confirmed this on the LAEA-4, the TechArt Contax G adapter, a VM M-mount adapter (no electronics) and a Fotodiox Contax G adapter (no electronics)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    Interesting. I usually just click the button on the AF/MF switch (going into MF) if I want to "lock" focus between shots.

    Thanks for your impressions on the ergonomics, btw.

    One quick question--is there any menu option for minimum shutter speed with Auto-ISO?

    That's because you are smarter/craftier than me. Apparently.

    Heheh, thanks for the tip. I will use this.

    The nice thing about a proper Focus Hold feature is that you don't have to remember to reset the AF. The downside is that you have to keep the button engaged and it is a slightly awkward placement.

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    If the A7, A900 and Contax G2 had a party...

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    For some fun, remove the lens and look at the sensor. Now half press the shutter release to activate IBIS. It does indeed jiggle quite a bit.
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    Doing AF tests, walking around the house focusing on objects in dark shadow. I had the A7 and A7ii, using the FE55 lens.

    My initial, unscientific result - the A7ii is improved in finding and locking focus in dark situations. I also noticed the rack focus was noticeably faster on the A7ii. When it wandered, it wandered faster. It seemed clear that Sony cranked up the AF motor a bit.

    More testing to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    One quick question--is there any menu option for minimum shutter speed with Auto-ISO?
    Somebody please care to answer gibbon's question ?
    No min shutter speed (in the A7r) bothered me too.

    TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Somebody please care to answer gibbon's question ?
    No min shutter speed (in the A7r) bothered me too.

    TIA

    Kind regards.
    Auto ISO works the same as it always has on the A7 bodies. Sorry to burst any bubbles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Does the shutter button have any kind of half stop feel for focus lock?
    I am pleased it feels less spongy, seems they took that fix onboard.

    So far I am in, but in Australia we seem to be getting stock in 2015.
    No, I'm not noticing any half stop at all. It is very linear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Somebody please care to answer gibbon's question ?
    No min shutter speed (in the A7r) bothered me too.

    TIA

    Kind regards.
    I don't have the A7II (yet) but on the other A7 bodies I find convenient to set both aperture and speed in manual in combination with Auto Iso as a workaround with even more control compared to setting the min shutter speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Somebody please care to answer gibbon's question ?
    No min shutter speed (in the A7r) bothered me too.

    TIA

    Kind regards.
    I wouldn't expect much change as the AutoISO works as it did on the A77 and NEX-5. I generally dial in my own ISO and/or shoot M mode for this reason.
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    Arg ..... ACR no support yet I shot everything in raw

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    Arg ..... ACR no support yet I shot everything in raw
    The new release of ACR with A7II support is available since yesterday.
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    The Lightroom 5.7.1 update will released the next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    Interesting. I usually just click the button on the AF/MF switch (going into MF) if I want to "lock" focus between shots.

    Thanks for your impressions on the ergonomics, btw.

    One quick question--is there any menu option for minimum shutter speed with Auto-ISO?
    On the A7r I have separated the AF from the shutter. It is affected to the AEL/AF button. This button has a switch and when the switch is in the AF/MF position, it will allow you to lo lock focus. But that wasn't in the default setting, I had to change a few settings in the cogwheel menu (I don't remember exactly which). What i don't like is that in several situations (using face detection, focusing with a remote, etc.) you can't focus the camera with a separate button and have to return the focusing to the half pressure of the shutter and this means to dig deep in the menu to make that change. A real pain.

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    Which lens is that? TIA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ario Arioldi View Post
    I don't have the A7II (yet) but on the other A7 bodies I find convenient to set both aperture and speed in manual in combination with Auto Iso as a workaround with even more control compared to setting the min shutter speed.
    Unlike some brand cameras, ISO settings change do not need any "menu diving". ISO can be changed easily and even without looking at a dial or a button. This "auto ISO" is no bother at all. I never needed it.
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    Hi there
    Well. if you still use Aperture (like I do) version 3.6 with Camera Raw 6.01 reads DNG files created from the new version of DNG converter quite happily.

    I won't comment on the camera beyond saying that the shutter feels much better damped than the A7 (might be wishful thinking but I don't think so).
    ..... and it's not so slippery!

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    Well got a phone call and mine had arrived. Still setting it up but initial views are that I don't mind the extra girth and the new grip but prefer the front and back wheels on the A7. Don't like the extra weight but can live with it though the balance is a little strange and one handed use is a strain. Shutter noise doesn't really appear to be any quieter just different (compared to A7s with electronic first shutter on) focus seems quicker in low light.
    Just need to wait for adobe to update Lr5 for RAW use.
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    Which lens is that? TIA.
    Zeiss 50mm 1.4

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    Gosh, that lens looks enormous for a 50/1.4!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Gosh, that lens looks enormous for a 50/1.4!
    Its a big lens but the hood is 1/2 the size of the body. so without the hood its not too bad.

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    I have it also , it's not really as big as it looks and just slightly smaller than the 85 1.4

    I should point out I never use the supplied hoods. I buy metal lens hoods off eBay for like 10 dollars and screw them into the filter thread and never use lens caps either. So much easier to work without lens caps . They always get lost at some point anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viramati View Post
    Just need to wait for adobe to update Lr5 for RAW use.
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    if you can be bothered you can download the DNG converter (new one) and convert the RAW files to DNG - Lightroom should read those fine.

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    OK, thanks for confirming on the lack of minimum shutter speed. I figured it would be the same as the A7. I also use manual mode with Auto-ISO as a workaround, which is alright.

    How have experiences been with the IBIS so far? Any comparison to the Olympus 5-axis system?

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    Wow, IBIS and the leica 135 apo-telyt handheld sharp shots a 1/30th, iso 2000 at 3.4 out of camera jpeg (sharpening -1)

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    Hi David
    I've just been playing with the 90 macro elmar at 1/10th and getting sharp images. I think we're in business

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi David
    I've just been playing with the 90 macro elmar at 1/10th and getting sharp images. I think we're in business
    Impressive! 1/10 second with a 90mm is pretty good. That's about three stops of stabilization. :-)

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    I hope to see this SS in a NEX-7 (II) soon.

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    Elmarit-M 90 at 2.8 and 1/20th sec. Ist is iso 800 and 2nd iso 640. Out of camera jpeg's
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi David
    if you can be bothered you can download the DNG converter (new one) and convert the RAW files to DNG - Lightroom should read those fine.

    All the best
    The Adobe DNG Converter does work, but I don't like that there is no option to convert individual files off the SD card. It's all or nothing. Sometimes, especially when testing, I only want quickly import an image or set of images.

    If you have Photoshop, use the integrated "update" file and you should get the new Camera Raw, which supports the A7ii. You can then use the Bridge/ACR combo and cherry pick the keepers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrewk View Post
    The Adobe DNG Converter does work, but I don't like that there is no option to convert individual files off the SD card. It's all or nothing. Sometimes, especially when testing, I only want quickly import an image or set of images...
    To convert an individual file, drag and drop the file onto the DNG Converter application icon.

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    Just got off the phone with Guy -- actually it was more a, "Oh, FedEx is coming up the walk, BYE! ... Click..."

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    First thoughts after a few hours. It is truly amazing what Sony have managed to pack into such a small package, you only have to think back a couple of years and this wouldn't have thought to have been possible. IBIS, FF sensor, High iso range, IQ, DR, High quality EVF. WOW!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    To convert an individual file, drag and drop the file onto the DNG Converter application icon.

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    Thanks G. Did not know that, but should have.

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    Just got off the phone with Guy -- actually it was more a, "Oh, FedEx is coming up the walk, BYE! ... Click..."

    Okay out of the box . Love at first sight. The grip alone is worth the upgrade. Love the texture of the body too. I just tried AF continuous with the 16-35 and as advertised but than I put the 50 1.4 on with LA4 and I still get focus tracking AF lock on. I think I just wet my pants. LOL

    Sure your AF points are still in the cluster BUT and here is the big BUT if you start lets say at the very edge of the cluster and your subject is still within a piece of that cluster it will track them. This one is hard to explain but its almost like having a native FE lens on it. Im trying to remember the A7 functions but I THINK something changed for the better.

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    The bad news i have to pack the 16-35 rental lens to go back but I will order this in a few days. I liked the 16-35 focal length for all the PR stuff and it seems very good. I need to have at least one zoom lens like this for the A7II

    Im pretty excited this is certainly a nice upgrade folks.
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    Most important feature for me they moved the shutter release forward and with the grip that alone is a effective steady shot aid of maybe 1.5 stops. I mean it that alone is just more solid and natural to the hand.
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    First thoughts after a few hours. It is truly amazing what Sony have managed to pack into such a small package, you only have to think back a couple of years and this wouldn't have thought to have been possible. IBIS, FF sensor, High iso range, IQ, DR, High quality EVF. WOW!!
    Especially not for under $2,000...
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    Superficially I'm right with you Guy. The grip and texture and the moved shutter release make it seem so much more solid. it even looks more businesslike. I also think that the increased heft has an affect in hand holding (and the IBIS is the belt to these particular braces) Tonight I Like It!

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    Agree the extra little weight is better. It feels just so much more balanced. Seriously drop a 46mpx sensor in it and the A7r is gone
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    I'm sitting outside in my chair with the 50 1.4 lens and just did a shot down to a 1/4th of a second and it looks awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Agree the extra little weight is better. It feels just so much more balanced. Seriously drop a 46mpx sensor in it and the A7r is gone
    That's what I'm betting on but If I can offload these extra lenses (especially the Leica ones) I may just get one of these to replace my A7. I sort of feel like I need the "hold me over" but that's just the Christmas spirit going on...
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