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    Re: some wishes for the A9

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    7 systems is clearly enough
    by the way - reading your post I believe the X is "your" camera!
    LOL! Yes, seven should be enough! =8^O

    And I agree: there are few cameras I have been as satisfied with as the X in the past couple of years. :-)

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    Re: some wishes for the A9

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    Or even mild enjoyment?
    To be honest I can't really think of what I want in an A9 . . . better Auto ISO options? Full electronic shutter? Soul . . . that's it, I want it to have Soul (the A900 had it, but I'm not sure that any Sony camera since then has).
    Soul sounds good to me.
    Just looked at some test frames with the old Summilux 35 v2: yup, it's there!

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    Re: some wishes for the A9

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
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    The A7r with a 3 year warranty still works flawlessly and will continue to work whether there is a new A7ii or an A9 in the market.
    As does my A7: it does what I bought it for very well, which is to be a "one body fits all lenses" SLR surrogate for the Leica R and Nikkor lenses in my closet. I don't know that I really need or want to upgrade it.

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    Re: some wishes for the A9

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    In fairness the A9 rumor has been floating around for the better part of the last 6 months. The A7II caught EVERYONE who wasn't testing it off guard. I distinctly remember (erroneously) telling Jono in another thread not to hold his breath for IBIS no more than 2 weeks prior to the A7II being announced.

    I personally will skip the A7II and wait for the A9 (or A7RII if the A9 proves to all be a just another rumor to drive unique web traffic.)
    You did indeed Tre.
    and as that was my principle complaint with the A7 and A7r (no IBIS) I'm honour bound to get an A7ii (and I will - hopefully it'll be delivered next week).

    I also agree - A9 rumours have been around for ages, and the A7ii was a complete bolt out of the blue. A welcome one too, because it shows that Sony are actually listening and thinking.

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    Re: some wishes for the A9

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Not sure about that, Tom.

    Have you seen this? http://www.getdpi.com/forum/615084-post17.html

    They are trying to investigate why the M8's sensor glass gets corroded. When was that camera released?
    I presume you mean the M9? Mine is from 2009, and close investigation shows that it does exhibit the problem, but it's never shown up in a photograph.

    Presumably, as it's a Kodak sensor, it was their fault that they chose the wrong glue . . . but Leica seem to have agreed to replace faulty sensors without a time limit - sure, it'd be better if nothing went wrong, but I don't see that there's much scope for complaint when a company says they'll replace faulty sensors outside the warranty period free of charge (of course, the right thing to do, but still, not many companies do this kind of a right thing).

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I am yet to encounter a Sony mirrorless camera that dies or has some terrible QC issue or a fatal flaw (has happened with Nikon!).
    I quite agree - I've never had any problem with any of the many Sony cameras I've owned. Better in fact than any other manufacturer by some way.

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    Re: some wishes for the A9

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Well - presumably, as it's a Kodak sensor, it was their fault that they chose the wrong glue . . .
    Nothing to do with the glue and though it was based on a Kodak sensor it was Leica's idea (brilliant I might add) to use the BG glass instead of a clear glass to minimize aberrations. Leica falsely believed that having a single coating on that BG (BG = Blue Green) glass would keep it safe from deterioration (that it is known to do). I have a variety of BG filters from Schott and Hoya. It is not difficult to polish a 2mm thick filter from time to time. It is the nature of the beast. The situation, unfortunately, is different when it is stuck to the sensor casing as the only cover glass. This (degradation of BG glass) would eventually happen in every digital camera. In this case it is a bit faster. That is all.

    I do applaud them for owning upto it and promising to take care of it. It probably costs them ~$300 to 400 for the sensor replacement.
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    Re: some wishes for the A9

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Nothing to do with the glue and though it was based on a Kodak sensor it was Leica's idea (brilliant I might add) to use the BG glass instead of a clear glass to minimize aberrations. Leica falsely believed that having a single coating on that BG (BG = Blue Green) glass would keep it safe from deterioration (that it is known to do). I have a variety of BG filters from Schott and Hoya. It is not difficult to polish a 2mm thick filter from time to time. It is the nature of the beast. The situation, unfortunately, is different when it is stuck to the sensor casing as the only cover glass. This (degradation of BG glass) would eventually happen in every digital camera. In this case it is a bit faster. That is all.

    I do applaud them for owning upto it and promising to take care of it. It probably costs them ~$300 to 400 for the sensor replacement.
    Thanks for the clarification Vivek - hopefully they'll conjure up a complete solution ( I guess they'll be ordering quite a few new sensors from TrueSense!). As an owner of both an M9 and an MM (and both very early ones) I'm glad of it - truth be told they were in a position where only a generous conclusion would stop people losing faith.

    Their next challenge is managing the updates so that people don't have to send their cameras in until Leica are ready to replace them (they managed it pretty well with the M strap lugs). . . . . There's not much benefit in 30,000 cameras turning up in Wetzlar next Tuesday!

    My MM (early 2012) shows the very tiniest mark (amongst the dust) - certainly it's never shown in an image, and not worth being without.

    My M9 (mid 2009) shows two marks - a line on the bottom left and a small mark on the top - again, I've never noticed it in pictures, and even if it did show it'd be easy to fix.

    So I'm going to wait until the dust (and the queue) settles before doing anything about it. However, it's nice to know that it can be dealt with if it becomes necessary

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    Re: some wishes for the A9

    I am not at all concerned. Eventually I plan to replace the BG filter on the sensor in my MM with a Suprasil (fused silica) cover glass of similar thickness and use it for UV to IR. Love that camera and I cherish it by using it.

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    Re: some wishes for the A9

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Soul . . . that's it, I want it to have Soul (the A900 had it, but I'm not sure that any Sony camera since then has).
    What is "Soul"?

    Looks-wise, I think most Sony cameras have the emotional appeal of a microwave oven or toaster, but sometimes a good microwave oven is just what I need.

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    Re: some wishes for the A9

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Leica falsely believed that having a single coating on that BG (BG = Blue Green) glass would keep it safe from deterioration (that it is known to do).
    Just curious, but how does glass simply deteriorate, coatings or no coatings? Or is it the coatings themselves which are failing? And do you think that someone who tended to wet-clean their sensor glass a lot might actually accelerate the process? My M8 and M9 seemed to generate a lot of greasy particles when they were new, but after a few weeks it mostly stopped, and simply vacuuming-out the camera's interior seemed to suffice from that point onwards.

    A long time ago, I decided that the key to optimum Leica happiness was not to worry too much about it: Handcrafted, small-batch products are probably always going to be a little bit irregular. The really amazing thing about the digital M bodies isn't that they're perfect, but that they exist at all.

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