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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Back in my Canon days, I owned the 50/1.2 L. It wasn't that impressive to me, and in fact I bought a Sigma 50/1 .4 (and not an ART back then) and was so much more pleased with it I immediately sold the 50L. I could have had a bad copy, but at the time recall most being underwhelmed by it. Perhaps it's better now, I don't know.
    I've heard this about the EF Canon 50mm 1.2 L lens... Never had it, but I I can say that I was generally more impressed with the FD versions of many of the lenses than I was with the EF versions in the fixed focal length lenses.

    The FD version is a little gem. much smaller than the EF, and I think sharper at the focus point. By many accounts, it was considered the better performer. There is one comparison out there of this on the a7:

    Sony FE 55mm f/1.8 Z vs Canon FD 50mm f/1.2 L | Viktor's photo blog

    Not a terribly good comparison, and it fails to test the 1.2 for the real reasons people would be using it, but nonetheless...

    Shooting LF really makes a person much more critical of these small format lenses, what with all their retrofocus designs and the accompanying optical compromises they force on the shooter. It gets much worse with zooms, too.

    My goal is to achieve a more LF look to my digital images, and the slight bit of swirl in the Mitakon may help achieve that.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    When I first received the lens, I compared to the gm1+Panasonic 15mm 1.7 w/ T Value 1.9 per dxo. I got 2sec at ISO6400 w/ gm1 which is equal to 1sec at ISO 12800 vs A7R+Mitakon was metering 1/5sec at ISO 12800 which puts the difference over 2 stops. Again this was not using the same camera/metering but it was my rough test to check it. Only light source was outside lights coming to room. I am amazed that gm1 was af'ing at that light level.

    I checked 50L and dxo puts as T1.4, T value is +.2 behind the aperture like most lenses. T values for Sony FE 55mm 1.8 and 35mm 2.8 match to their aperture per dxo when I checked it at their release. So I can check with 55mm to see it but again it is close enough.

    Sizewise/ weightwise, Mitakon is nearly matching to Zeiss 100mm Makro lens without the FE adapter of course, so it is on the heavy side compared to CV 35/50mm lenses.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Okay, did a quick test, with just one image, and clearly more testing needs to be done -- it appears the Mitakon does not fare well at distance wide open, so appears to be corrected for close focus which of course makes sense. But here are some crops for you to compare. Note that these are all in-cam jpegs straight out of the cam, crops made in CS with no post processing of any kind added.

    First let's look at the whole image for reference:


    Now some center crops from all lenses at around f8 -- I say around because I used the Metabones adapter at "3" to stop down the ART and Nikon 50/1.8, so it's only approximate for the Sigma and Nikkor:

    Nikkor:


    ART:


    Mitakon:


    Now sides at f5.6/MB3:

    Nikkor:


    ART:


    Mitakon:


    First thing to note is the exposure differences in the center crops while the sides seem very close, other than to assume that it is a result of falloff and then the camera averaging across the frame. Next to note is the ART is the superior lens, which is no real surprise. What is somewhat of a surprise is that the Mitakon essentially equals the Nikkor in resolution here and both hold up pretty well in this situation -- doubtful we'd detect a huge difference until we printed the images large. Note too that the ART is a tad wider than the other two.

    And here are the wide open comp centers:

    Nikkor:


    ART (Edited for refocus):


    Mitakon (Edited for refocus):


    Now the sides:

    Nikkor:


    ART:


    Mitakon:


    (Edited after refocus) What's interesting is how well the ART fares here now that I've refocused it and the Mitakon. The ART is the clear winner, even great at the edges, with the Mitakon being worst -- though let's not forget it is almost a full stop more open than the ART and nearly 2 stops more open than the Nikkor. Next oddity is the ART side actually appears to do essentially as well at the sides wide open as it does at it's center, which is pretty remarkable I think. The Nikkor sides render about the same as center and not really impressive. The Mitakon again worst optically, but again at 1 and 2 stops more aperture.

    Interesting note on exposures. All were ISO 100 and taken in similar light within a few minutes. The Mitakon at f0.95 was 1/640th, the ART at f1.4 was 1/400th, or about the difference we'd expect given extra falloff in hyperfast lenses, but the Nikkor also came in at 1/400th -- it is possible the light changed as the Sun would have been rising slightly during this time, or it has even less falloff than the ART. Clearly the Nikkor image is about 1/2 to 2/3rds stop under exposed from the ART, and the Mitakon is another 1/3rd over the ART centrally -- all of which would explain the shutter speed differences almost exactly -- but then one needs to ask why the Sony can't meter them more closely? Perhaps a deficiency in the way the Sony meters adapted lenses? Clearly I would need to do a more scientific test to determine the cause of all this -- and I'm not going to bother! But I thought it was interesting to note in the wake of the earlier discussions of actual lens "speed" or light transmission that if all three of these frames were "normalized," it appears the lenses would perform at very close to their respective apertures as re light transmission centrally

    End of day, no big surprises. The Nikkor is a 1.8 "kit" 50 for the Df, the Mitakon is uber fast, and the ART is designed to be great all over. Obviously the Mitakon works best wide open at typical closer subject distances (and lower light levels) as seen from my "Santa" shot above -- and more the type of distance where one would use it at -- but still holds it's own pretty well at distance when stopped down. The Nikkor is best stopped down to at least f2.8, and the ART is pretty exceptional for how it would be used from wide open up close to distant and stopped down for landscape.

    My personal takeaway is the Nikkor is small, light and plain vanilla. I'll likely box it back up in it's factory box and keep it ready to sell with the Df body when that day comes. The ART remains a great -- nay, superb! -- all-around lens for my Nikon bodies and if needed to be pressed into use on the A7r for landscape. However, this thread is really about the Mitakon. The whole reason I got it was for looks and to shoot it wide open on the A7r, and so far I am not at all disappointed
    ~~~

    Some additional final thoughts...

    Here are a few more images for talking points. The above full image is from the ART at f5.6, obviously sized down to 900 px for web. Here is the Mitakon full image at f5.6 and wide open sized to the same 900 px. Interesting to note the thin DoF and oof separation efect of f0.95 is visible even at this reduced size, and not unpleasant (at least to my eyes) in this view -- speaking for myself, I wanted f0.95 for it's overall effect and feel I got even more than I hoped for :





    And I'll make one final comment about size -- the ART is a beast, and more-so with the Metabones adapter on the A7r; by comparison, the Mitakon is smaller and better balanced on the A7r:

    Mitakon:


    ART/Metabones:
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post

    What's interesting is none of them really fare well on center here at all at this distance, though interestingly the Nikkor seems to slightly better the ART centrally, while the ART is the clear winner at the side with the Mitakon being worst -- though let's not forget it is a more than a full stop more open than the ART and nearly 2 stops more open than the Nikkor. Next oddity is the ART side actually appears to do better than it's center(!), though the Nikkor seems about the same and the Mitakon again worst, but again at 1 and 2 stops more aperture. My guess here is inaccurate initial focus -- though I did rely on focus peaking and what appeared to be the most yellow at the birdhouse door -- and then coupled with some field curvature helping the ART's side.

    End of day, no big surprises. The Nikkor is a 1.8 "kit" 50 for the Df, the Mitakon is uber fast, and the ART is designed to be great all over. Obviously the Mitakon works best wide open at typical shooting distances as seen from my "Santa" shot above -- and more the type of distance where one would use it at -- but holds it's own pretty well stopped down. The Nikkor is best stopped down to at least f2.8, and the ART is pretty exceptional for how it would be used wide open up close and stopped down for landscape.

    My personal takeaway is the Nikkor is small, light and plain vanilla. I'll likely box it back up in it's factory box and keep it ready to sell with the Df body when that day comes. The ART remains a great all-around lens for my Nikon bodies and if needed to be pressed into use on the A7r for landscape. However, this thread is really about the Mitakon, and the whole reason I got it was to shoot it wide open on the A7r and so far I am not at all disappointed
    ~~~
    Jack:
    I've found that for critical focus the peaking function on the A7 cameras is not sufficient. I always go with the double magnified view if I absolutely want to nail it.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    John, great tip and I will use that in the future -- I am still new to the camera. I will redo the wide open shots with the ART and Mitakon and edit the above post (now done).
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    One word. ART
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    One word. ART
    Guy, not so fast... I know "Bokeh" and oof character are not your thing, but they are mine, and the Mitakon is a special-use lens, not an all-rounder

    Hence, I think that *IF*

    ... one wants outstanding character and rendition and sharp optical performance throughout the aperture range, then for sure the ART;

    ... however wants maximum character at "normal" subject distances and/or gorgeous OOF rendering and Bokeh, then the Mitakon is tough to beat;

    ... alternatively one rarely plans on using the lens wide open and is looking for optical perfection only, then back to the ART.

    All that said, I would NOT give up my ART before the Mitakon, but for anybody owning an A7 series that wants outstanding character and look from a "normal" lens, then look no further than the Mitakon... In fact, I'm going to take it a step further -- I think the Mitakon 50 is a valid enough reason *on its own* to purchase an A7 series body!
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Not true at all. Look again it has the best 3d look of all of them . The in focus jumps at you. That's what I like . Now you can even de focus it if you wanted. But I love bokeh just like the next guy but I like clear separation and something sharp.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    I was referring to the Art but I do like the Mit for its character. Not sure I would carry both I guess is my small issue. The Sigma is a truck though. I'll wait I think till I can throw my ZA 50 1.4 in the mix and see what shakes out. Just that 3d jumped right at me
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    It will be fun to play with a bunch of the 50's
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Ah, okay got it. Agree the ART is special on it's own, has that great 3D look, very sharp and great color too; and if you are only going to own one 50, the ART should be it. (Unless you already own an ASPH or even pre-asph Summilux M !)

    But the Mitakon is more of a classic old school "Mandler-esque" on steroids rendering -- actually very similar to the original f1.0 Noctilux -- with the spherical aberrations artistically blurring the frame edge and speculars. It and the brass-lantern Petzval 85 are both representative of the unique look lenses I like to dork around with and will be relegated to the A7r's bag.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    I'm staying out of this one.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    No your not. Lol

    You got the leica
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    The next question for me takes this thread a little off topic, but since I'm using the A7r for "look" lenses, do I go ahead and have it converted to full spectrum?

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Jack,
    I did not convert my A7r to full spectrum, but I'm thinking of it. I converted my A6000 to full spectrum and am happy that I did. You have to be willing to fiddle with filters, like we did when we were shooting M8's. Now that I have a pretty good assortment of filters, I don't even think twice about using them. I shoot a lot of IR, so I guess you have to ask yourself how much you will use IR.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    The next question for me takes this thread a little off topic, but since I'm using the A7r for "look" lenses, do I go ahead and have it converted to full spectrum?


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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Filters don't bother me, and of course one of the huge advantages of the EVF is how it adapts to filtration. But the issue of how often I'd shoot IR is relevant -- not sure I'd do very much, though I liked it before when I had it.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Filters don't bother me, and of course one of the huge advantages of the EVF is how it adapts to filtration. But the issue of how often I'd shoot IR is relevant -- not sure I'd do very much, though I liked it before when I had it.
    Jack, I converted my A7r shortly after getting it to shoot 665nm and found I wanted more latitude in shooting so had it re-converted to full spectrum. Glad I did too. I've got filters for all my lens ranging from color to 590, 720 and 830 and routinely shoot with either the 16-35, 24-70 and Hartblei 45mm and in limited (so far) 50 f/0.95. I've enjoyed the flexibility full spectrum give me and can credit Cindy for the push.

    While they aren't sponsors here (too bad they aren't) I do recommend Life Pixels and ask that if you decide to do a conversion you click on their link on my blog.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    I would say that the only downside is that you always have to have the CC1 on the front when you are shooting regular light (I don't like the IR contamination). Also, it might make re-sale a little trickier.


    The A6000 is my backup in my bag. It fits in my purse for times when I'm not carrying a camera bag. It has the extra reach of a crop sensor and super-fast AF. I figure I wasn't risking much money on this conversion, so I'm glad that I did it.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    I took advantage of the 20% off Winter Sale at LifePixel but I'm waiting until after the Holiday travels to actually send it in to them because I wanted to use the camera while traveling just in case. I look forward to shooting it and I will probably stick to 590nm and 830nm+ filters myself.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Just adding a bit to the digression on IR filters. I just got back from scouting Lake Tahoe. I had both the Cambo and my newly converted A7r full spectrum along. I really like the flexibility of simply changing filters on the A7r. This is the filter case that I use: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    It really makes carrying filters easy. There is a strong velcro belt tab that makes it easy to quickly slide it onto your belt. Compact and easy.

    I also used Life Pixel on my A7r conversion to IR and then again to full spectrum.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    You hooked another one. I picked up demo copy from Popflash from their ebay store. So far I am liking it quite well. Still early but I'm enjoying it more that I was the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2.

    Thanks for the review.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluenose View Post
    You hooked another one. I picked up demo copy from Popflash from their ebay store.
    Me too. Mine should arrive tomorrow.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluenose View Post
    You hooked another one. I picked up demo copy from Popflash from their ebay store. So far I am liking it quite well. Still early but I'm enjoying it more that I was the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2.

    Thanks for the review.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Blue and Mike, be sure to post some pics here as soon as you get the hang of the lens. I hope to have more to share next week

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Blue and Mike, be sure to post some pics here as soon as you get the hang of the lens. I hope to have more to share next week

    K-Ha -- just trust us, and get one

    Well Jack thanks, Guy seems pretty skeptical!
    And he seems to have generally excellent judgment!
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Ah, okay got it. Agree the ART is special on it's own, has that great 3D look, very sharp and great color too; and if you are only going to own one 50, the ART should be it. (Unless you already own an ASPH or even pre-asph Summilux M !)

    But the Mitakon is more of a classic old school "Mandler-esque" on steroids rendering -- actually very similar to the original f1.0 Noctilux -- with the spherical aberrations artistically blurring the frame edge and speculars. It and the brass-lantern Petzval 85 are both representative of the unique look lenses I like to dork around with and will be relegated to the A7r's bag.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Okay, here it is, all laid out in a direct fashion.

    Lux M: Not all Lux's are good -- pre or ASPH -- you need to test them for your application on your camera at the aperture you want to use it at. If you have a good one for you, you're done. If not, then it may be time to look elsewhere.

    ART: It's a great lens, But even wide open it cannot render the same look as a Noctilux or the Mitakon does wide open.

    Mitakon: No offense to Guy, but he's only seen my posts of the ART and Mitoakon and made his choice from those; he does not own either and I own both. Moreover, Guy is not a huge fan of the 50 to begin with -- he'll get one if it suits him, and the ART is more to his style than the Noct/Mitakon look is. Plus the ART is unarguably a more versatile 50 than the Mitakon. For me, I got the Mitakon to shoot wide open with PERIOD. If you want an AF 50 lens to use at f1.4 or smaller, buy the ART; if you want a lens to use at f0.95, your choices become pretty limited pretty fast: buy a Noct at ~$9000 depending; buy an SLR cine-magic at ~~$3000; or buy a Mitakon at under $800...

    Conclusion: I own and love the ART and use it as my main lens on my Nikon D810. And I use it wide open to stopped down depending on my needs at the time. If I could only own 1 50mm lens, this would be it, hands down, end of discussion. However... For the purpose *I* wanted an f0.95 50 for and for the amount *I* planned to use it, the Mitakon plus a used A7r body at about $2200 total was a no-brainer *for me* -- YMMV.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Jack, I was just teasing you! Seriously, you have described everything (excellent description!) that rings my bell with the Mitakon

    If I want to shoot f/1 or f/0.95, it's likely not at a distance nor am I fussed about perfection. I shoot that fast because there's no light and I want to capture the moment, the essence.

    So, whilst I appreciate all your elbow grease, go out and shoot this the way it's meant to be!

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    My dear Cam, I will, I will, I promise! (And tout de suite!)

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    For me its like a Noctilux and a Leica R 85 1.4. Nocti looks nice sometimes but can also look horrible with nervous bokeh. The 85 lux wide open is loaded with lens aberrations it looks great on certain things but needs corrections also for other types of shots. The Mistakon looks really nice and I know it will work with a lot of subjects but don't foul yourself either it has lens aberrations wide open. know that going in and you can use that to your creative advantage. Now its seems you may have to carry 2 50mm to get certain things sometimes. Not sure I want to do that. Im not a shooter looking for dreamy images all the time, to me that gets old. I do favor very sharp wide open with a ton of falloff which gives that 3D effect. I lean more to the separation. So if it sounds like Im not convinced that is partially true as I do not want to carry 2 50mm, which that focal length is not my favorite anyway. I also want to test this lens against my ZA 50 1.4

    Honestly I would not mind having something like this is the 85mm range because that is far more useful for people and that wide angle look. Depends a lot on what your shooting and what effect you have. Sometimes that wide open booked heaving gets looking pretty damn old fast. Its like buying a fisheye, great sometimes and other sometimes the lens sits in the bag. Maybe not to that extreme but you get the point.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Sony A7R + MITAKON SPEEDMASTER II "DARK KNIGHT" 50MM F/0.95 PRO VER(M67) SONY E MOUNT, shot at f/0.95, ISO=100, 1/125 s

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    K-H -- I must admit the DoF profile on your particular copy looks somewhat odd. OOF areas appear slightly "streaky" for lack of a better word, and the DoF "plane" itself seems, well, non-planar if looking at the entire image -- ? Slightly weird result to my eyes, maybe I'm misreading the way the image was taken -- maybe it's a combination of the subject and shooting angle? But at least the the clear ornament on center appears sharp ...
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Looks like a Nocti here. I've seen this look with the Nocti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    K-H -- I must admit the DoF profile on your particular copy looks somewhat odd. OOF areas appear slightly "streaky" for lack of a better word, and the DoF "plane" itself seems, well, non-planar if looking at the entire image -- ? Slightly weird result to my eyes, maybe I'm misreading the way the image was taken -- maybe it's a combination of the subject and shooting angle? But at least the the clear ornament on center appears sharp ...

    Many thanks Jack. I appreciate the feedback. You may have a point.
    However, I think I need to look carefully into those issues before coming to a definitive conclusion.
    The shot I showed was taken from the side into a Christmas tree.
    So the branches are certainly not aligned with a DoF "plane".
    Also the streaks you see in the upper right quarter originate from full book shelves.
    I certainly think the lens can be focused quite well, even wide open.
    I also processed the image a little bit unconventionally.

    The following is the OOC JPG, only reduced in size.


    Again, I really appreciate candid and critical feedback - as along as it is factual and constructive.
    The feedback doesn't have to be overly polite.
    As a retired but successful manager I am nevertheless used to criticism from all sides.
    At this early stage I have no emotional attachment to this lens. So I don't take criticism personally.

    If you don't mind I will post more images so that we can come to an accurate assessment of this lens.
    Thanks again.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Looks like a Nocti here. I've seen this look with the Nocti.
    Thanks Guy. I have the same impression.


    PS: Here are two full resolution images.
    The first at f/0.95, the second at f/5.6.
    http://winklers.smugmug.com/2015-01-...-2546x1699.jpg
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    The Nocti can be absolutely beautiful but it does have its ugly side. When background is fairly close and has a lot of patterns in it . You get this nervous look. Living in the southwest with cactus it really is nasty sometimes. But in the other hand when background is more shapes than patterns it's awesome. I shot the Nocti quite a lot when I was in Germany several years ago and I have a couple killer shots with it than some that have this effect. Now I'm not sure about the newer Nocti lens but the older version was a interesting lens. This does remind me of it to some degree.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quick comparison of different 50mm lenses, all wide open aperture priority direct jpg shots (I needed to change the battery so shots are approx, but gives you an idea of not busy background blur):

    Mitakon 50mm 0.95


    CV 50mm 1.1


    ZM 50mm 1.5 (dialed +1/3ev by error)


    Sony 55mm 1.8 (auto metered as the darkest shot)


    Contax g 45mm f2 w/ af adapter
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    The last one looks the best. Lucky that you have many to play with!

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    This lens seems an incredible value notwithstanding some reports of it falling apart. It does seem to have that 50/1.0 Noctilux magic. I just ordered one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    This lens seems an incredible value notwithstanding some reports of it falling apart. It does seem to have that 50/1.0 Noctilux magic. I just ordered one.
    It is and it does.

    It's also an excellent value for those, like me, who have and love the old f/1 Noctilux (spent a night into morning shooting exclusively with it) but would prefer not to travel with it…

    So the more people who buy this, the better for me -- I'm hoping it's not somebody's cup of tea so I can get one used (I lost out on an excellent used copy on ebay because it coincided with my New Years and I forgot to bid, sigh.)
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Many thanks Jack. I appreciate the feedback. You may have a point.
    However, I think I need to look carefully into those issues before coming to a definitive conclusion.
    The shot I showed was taken from the side into a Christmas tree.
    So the branches are certainly not aligned with a DoF "plane".
    Also the streaks you see in the upper right quarter originate from full book shelves.
    I certainly think the lens can be focused quite well, even wide open.
    I also processed the image a little bit unconventionally.

    The following is the OOC JPG, only reduced in size.
    SNIP
    Again, I really appreciate candid and critical feedback - as along as it is factual and constructive.
    The feedback doesn't have to be overly polite.
    As a retired but successful manager I am nevertheless used to criticism from all sides.
    At this early stage I have no emotional attachment to this lens. So I don't take criticism personally.

    If you don't mind I will post more images so that we can come to an accurate assessment of this lens.
    Thanks again.
    Very interesting, again to my eye the OOC jpeg has a distinctly different feel than the originally posted image -- weird that post processing of color, clarity, noise, curves and whatever can make that much difference. Thanks for sharing these and I look forward to more!
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Thanks Guy. I have the same impression.


    PS: Here are two full resolution images.
    The first at f/0.95, the second at f/5.6.
    http://winklers.smugmug.com/2015-01-...-2546x1699.jpg
    http://winklers.smugmug.com/2015-01-...-2546x1699.jpg
    Certainly shows how well it sharpens up stopped down! Indeed a relative bargain in today's photo environment.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by serhan View Post
    Quick comparison of different 50mm lenses, all wide open aperture priority direct jpg shots (I needed to change the battery so shots are approx, but gives you an idea of not busy background blur):

    The CV looks pretty good too -- thanks for sharing.
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    The CV does look nice also. I agree.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Certainly shows how well it sharpens up stopped down! Indeed a relative bargain in today's photo environment.
    Thanks again Jack.

    The first image of the book shelf was shot at f/0.95 and ISO 1000.
    To me it looks like showing some veiling haze - not too distracting though.

    The second image was shot at f/5.6 and ISO 6400.
    As you state it sharpened up nicely.

    Although I shot these 2 images from a tripod I kept ISO on Auto as it was pretty dark in the room.
    I didn't use a remote trigger and processed the images with CS6 and Nik (noise reduction and sharpening).
    Nevertheless I am always impressed how clean the ISO 6400 images out of the A7R typically are.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Yes, CV and Mitakon look similar. Mitakon looks most hazy wide open. It is same with the Sonnars esp Sony is recovering the aperture difference at 55mm. M lenses are smaller then the Sony versions, but they have longer mfd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    The CV looks pretty good too -- thanks for sharing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    The CV does look nice also. I agree.
    Contax g 45mm is maybe the most used lens on A7R due to its size. Sony 55mm and g45 have the best sharpness of these. Adapter af speed is close to RX1. Only disadvantage is buzzing noise of the adapter since it needs to go back and forth to capture the focus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The last one looks the best. Lucky that you have many to play with!
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    The "haziness" is likely a function of spherical aberrations in the lens causing flare into the shadows at the wide apertures; aka glow. Sphericals are common in fast Mandler design lenses too and are also responsible in large part for what we (I ?) see as pleasing Bokeh.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    The "haziness" is likely a function of spherical aberrations in the lens causing flare into the shadows at the wide apertures; aka glow. Sphericals are common in fast Mandler design lenses too and are also responsible in large part for what we (I ?) see as pleasing Bokeh.
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    Thanks for the great review Jack. My "Speedmaster" arrived yesterday and I'm very pleased with the performance of this lens on both my A7II and A6000-FS. No IR hot spots with the 590 filter on the A6000-FS.

    A7II f/1.4



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    Mine arrived today. But sadly, something is loose inside. The lens wiggles/knocks slightly when reversing focusing direction. For $800 it shouldn't do that. So back it goes for an exchange. Dang!

    Mitakon on a7S @ƒ0.95
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