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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post


    Mine arrived today. But sadly, something is loose inside. The lens wiggles/knocks slightly when reversing focusing direction. For $800 it shouldn't do that. So back it goes for an exchange. Dang!

    Hi Mike,

    That's unfortunate. I hope your next copy is fine.
    My copy feels heavy and solid. No wiggles, knocks, or noise.
    The focusing ring is very smooth.
    The aperture ring pretty stiff - as it should be for this lens.
    The aperture setting really stays where I put it.
    Good luck to you.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Wow, that is a slim focus area! (and lovely OOF areas!).



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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    This lens seems an incredible value notwithstanding some reports of it falling apart.
    It sure is for the price and for those who do not have the other fast lenses. It will be fun to horse around with it (the ones that do not have such lenses can not understand that feeling) with all the fuzziness it throws out.

    When it comes to serious stuff, such lenses are a royal pain in the back to use. It is not just the lens usage but a very good understanding of space and composition is an absolute must.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post


    Mine arrived today. But sadly, something is loose inside. The lens wiggles/knocks slightly when reversing focusing direction. For $800 it shouldn't do that. So back it goes for an exchange. Dang!

    Mitakon on a7S @ƒ0.95
    Bummer Mike -- but I know Popflash will make it good
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Moonrise at the lake house. Handheld, auto ISO @ 2000, 1/60th, f5.6:

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    I whipped up a Lightroom lens profile for the Speed Master. It corrects the mild distortion and vignetting. It is attached if anyone cares to try it.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    I whipped up a Lightroom lens profile for the Speed Master. It corrects the mild distortion and vignetting. It is attached if anyone cares to try it.
    Many thanks Mike. I'll give it a try tomorrow and report back.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    I whipped up a Lightroom lens profile for the Speed Master. It corrects the mild distortion and vignetting. It is attached if anyone cares to try it.
    Thanks Mike. I used your Lightroom lens profile in PS CS6 for these 2 images.



    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Many thanks Mike. I'll give it a try tomorrow and report back.
    Here is a quick shot with the 50 Mitakon on the A7II at f/2. Mike's profile applied in LR. Corner vignetting and distortion was nicely cleaned up by the profile.



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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    I think this is what people call 'squirrelly' bokeh.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Not trying to hijack the thread, but cannot resist in throwing in some serious smooth out of focus rendering..... Ofcourse it helps being a different focal length, but oh my, that bokeh is on its own...
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Even a little added focal length will do wonders for aperture/subject isolation. But as we get to 50mm and less, it gets far tougher to accomplish.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Isn't it wonderful to have all these choices!
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Even a little added focal length will do wonders for aperture/subject isolation. But as we get to 50mm and less, it gets far tougher to accomplish.
    I beg to differ -- one of the keys with a 50mm is if you dare to get close enough and do!

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    I beg to differ -- one of the keys with a 50mm is if you dare to get close enough and do!
    Good point! Yes, getting closer helps too
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    With a close focus adapter for the A7R and Leica WATE at 16 mm and f/4 one can get focus as close as about 4" or 10 cm IIRC. With the OOF background far enough that ought to give an interesting bokeh.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Guy, not so fast... I know "Bokeh" and oof character are not your thing, but they are mine, and the Mitakon is a special-use lens, not an all-rounder

    Hence, I think that *IF*

    ... one wants outstanding character and rendition and sharp optical performance throughout the aperture range, then for sure the ART;

    ... however wants maximum character at "normal" subject distances and/or gorgeous OOF rendering and Bokeh, then the Mitakon is tough to beat;

    ... alternatively one rarely plans on using the lens wide open and is looking for optical perfection only, then back to the ART.

    All that said, I would NOT give up my ART before the Mitakon, but for anybody owning an A7 series that wants outstanding character and look from a "normal" lens, then look no further than the Mitakon... In fact, I'm going to take it a step further -- I think the Mitakon 50 is a valid enough reason *on its own* to purchase an A7 series body!

    I couldn't agree more Jack. I picked up a used a7r just so I could get this lens!

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by SEJohnson83 View Post
    I couldn't agree more Jack. I picked up a used a7r just so I could get this lens!

    Welcome to GetDPI -- great first post! (And you get bonus points for agreeing with me )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Welcome to GetDPI -- great first post! (And you get bonus points for agreeing with me )
    Lol, excellent! I've been around fredmiranda for years, figure I would poke my head around here too!

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Welcome to GetDPI -- great first post! (And you get bonus points for agreeing with me )
    you're so easy, Jack! )

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Mine just arrived. Quick snap (vignetting added):


    Facetime with Halmoni (Grandma), Mitakon 50mm f/0.95 @f/0.95 by Amin Sabet, on Flickr
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    you're so easy, Jack! )

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    I maybe should have asked the original question differently --- is there anybody who owns this lens who does NOT like it?

    For me, it's a lot to like for $800
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    The replacement's on its way from Popflash. I'm anxious to spend more time with it, as I really like the look.

    My sister - a7S with Mitakon 50mm 0.95, wide open

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Is it correct that the revised version has a clickless aperture ring? Also does the lens transfer metadata to the camera?
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Is it correct that the revised version has a clickless aperture ring? Also does the lens transfer metadata to the camera?
    Right, clickless aperture. No electronic connection, unfortunately.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Popflash came through with a quick replacement of the loose lens. The new one is rock solid; and it seems perhaps a little sharper too.

    I'm loving the incredible subject separation.

    Mitakon 50mm 0.95 on Sony a7R

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    I'm not in the market for another 50mm lens right now but in the spirit of this Mitakon I see that sonyalpharumors are carrying the first images of a Samyang/Rokinon 135mm f2, rumoured to be less than $600. If it's anywhere near as good as this Mitakon looks from the examples here then it may prove tough to resist. These third party MF lenses really do give you a lot for the money.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    As Vivek claims, I'm merely a fondler, but gaaaaawd, I am weakening
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    I'm merely a fondler, but gaaaaawd, I am weakening
    Well it's about time. Just sayin...

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Okay these last images look pretty dang good. Getting a wobble in my knees. Keep teasing me. Lol
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Guy, I think I'll nickname this lens 'the Black Hole'... it sucks up even the tiniest bit of light.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Here are 100% crops from the two pics in my last post. Remarkable center sharpness IMO considering these are both f/0.95 photos.





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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Been lurking for a while Loving this lens so far, here's one from the other night at 0.95

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    Right, clickless aperture. No electronic connection, unfortunately.
    Yeah that is a bit unfortunate because I'd love a version with the clicks and metadata although the samples all look very good.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    I did a quick shootout with the 50/0.95 Noctilux and 50/0.95 Mitakon. No attempt made at artistry here. Just 30 min outside in the freezing cold with the two lenses, my A7, and a tripod/self-timer.

    Full-resolution JPEGs - Control-click (Command-click on a Mac) on these in a tabbed browser to compare full screen by switching tabs:
    Leica @ f/0.95: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7513/...e2f82315_o.jpg
    Mitakon @ f/0.95: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7517/...afb1ddb9_o.jpg
    Leica @ f/0.95: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8632/...b2f03b3a_o.jpg
    Mitakon @ f/0.95: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8609/...88fae037_o.jpg
    Leica @ f/0.95: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7503/...58763dff_o.jpg
    Mitakon @ f/0.95: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8666/...bd5ff897_o.jpg
    Leica @ f/0.95: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8587/...66430dfe_o.jpg
    Mitakon @ f/0.95: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7525/...c8158604_o.jpg
    Leica @ f/0.95: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8663/...fd600737_o.jpg
    Mitakon @ f/0.95: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7512/...167acda9_o.jpg
    Leica @ f/4: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8661/...8f5a8121_o.jpg
    Mitakon @ f/4: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7517/...18362388_o.jpg

    RAW files for download:
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mitakondarkknight/DSC06335.ARW
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mitakondarkknight/DSC06337.ARW
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mitakondarkknight/DSC06338.ARW
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mitakondarkknight/DSC06340.ARW
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mitakondarkknight/DSC06341.ARW
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mitakondarkknight/DSC06342.ARW
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mitakondarkknight/DSC06343.ARW
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mitakondarkknight/DSC06345.ARW
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mitakondarkknight/DSC06346.ARW
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mitakondarkknight/DSC06347.ARW
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mitakondarkknight/DSC06348.ARW
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mitakondarkknight/DSC06349.ARW


    The A7 meters the Noctilux as being about 1/3 stop faster (eg, 1/400s for Leica vs 1/320s for Mitakon with both lenses wide open) though the Mitakon seems to have less light falloff wide open.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    I'm on iPhone so what are your thoughts
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post

    The A7 meters the Noctilux as being about 1/3 stop faster (eg, 1/400s for Leica vs 1/320s for Mitakon with both lenses wide open) though the Mitakon seems to have less light falloff wide open.
    Thanks for the info, Amin.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm on iPhone so what are your thoughts
    My thoughts (from using both on A7, may be slightly different story with Noctilux on a Leica):

    -Size and weight are comparable
    -Mitakon has better center sharpness both wide open and stopped down.
    -Leica has better edge sharpness wide open.
    -Mitakon has overall smoother bokeh, and more even across the frame. With near bokeh, Leica has less blur on the foreground on the sides of the frame (due to field curvature).
    -Field curvature is very different for the two lenses - see the f/4 shots with the same mid-distance focus target - Leica much more in focus in the foreground on the edges, Mitakon much more in focus in the background on the edges.
    -Longitudinal CA is a wash. Both have a fair amount.
    -Leica meters 1/3 stop faster but has more light falloff, so less than 1/3 stop faster when you include the edges.

    Overall I prefer the Mitakon rendering. Would prefer clicks for apertures and Leica build.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Many thanks Amin!
    How different would the f/0.95 Noctilux images look on the M240 (or M9 for that matter)?
    For me the Mitakon on my A7R has enough of an f/0.95 effect so that I am not tempted to acquire a Noctilux for my M9.
    Thanks indeed!
    I think I am really going to enjoy the Mitakon!
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Hi K-H, the Noctilux gains a bit of edge sharpness and edge color fidelity on M bodies, but center sharpness and overall rendering are no different on A7 vs M.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Since I bought this lens to work primarily on the IR converted A7r I figured this was as good a place as any to share. Both shot outdoors just as it began to rain. Handheld, with a 590nm filter on a full spectrum conversion, both shot wide open.


    1/1250 ISO 100


    1/3200 ISO 100

    Both were processed just a little different from the other. Should also note that this is full frame and not a crop.

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    I like the false color Don. The rendering seems a hand-to-glove fit for IR
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    I have been debating. I have the MS optical 50mm 1.1. The Mitakon should be sharper wide open with smoother bokeh, but the MS optical is so TINY and easy to carry

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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    The only drawback on the Mistaken is its weight, put it on the A7r and you have a heavy system. Still not as heavy as some I've used or am currently using (you want weight try a 240 LS on a Phase DF).
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Especially with the teleconverter too, Don....
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    I did a quick shootout with the 50/0.95 Noctilux and 50/0.95 Mitakon. No attempt made at artistry here. Just 30 min outside in the freezing cold with the two lenses, my A7, and a tripod/self-timer.
    Kudos for enduring the cold for science.

    In all fairness, the Noctilux was tested on a camera it isn't optimized for (the threads about the sensor cover thickness could fill several volumes) and the scenes are illuminated by dead, flat light & contain items in a dull, subdued color palette. Probably not the best setting for a shoot-off.
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    Re: No love for the Mitakon 50 f0.95?

    Double post but I thought it is worth asking:

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    Anyone has a link to the lowest price (Mitakon 50/0.95) in the EU? I just looked at the lens details (wasn't available before) and I rather like it.

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