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    Quote Originally Posted by anGy View Post
    I also would like to invest in some loxia, 28mm, etc but with the Sony next to come new bodies I just don't know. Imagine the new pro body is near perfect but in FA mount !
    Most of us will be teased by an Exmor 50mp with strong AF and mirrorless pro body...
    For once I'll try to have a bit of patience.
    I kind of plan on buying the A7RII and the A9 (or whatever they call it) as my two bodies.
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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by anGy View Post
    I also would like to invest in some loxia, 28mm, etc but with the Sony next to come new bodies I just don't know. Imagine the new pro body is near perfect but in FA mount !
    Most of us will be teased by an Exmor 50mp with strong AF and mirrorless pro body...
    For once I'll try to have a bit of patience.
    Myself regardless of what the A mount is . Im not in the market for it. Ill just take the A7r replacement. Sure i would like a 50mpx cam but Im okay with 36mpx too
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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Me too... I think the lenses are actually coming for the FE mount and it looks like Sony is sticking to the three different style bodies (balanced performer, high MP, and 4K) with regular updates to each.

    I think the updates to the bodies will get on a slightly faster than normal pro schedule once they are to a certain level of refinement... Possibly even consolidating the 4K and High MP body down the line. That's just my wild prediction based on nothing. I'm hoping the Monochrome rumor is true though... I prefer that to even the high MP sensor but I would actually prefer it in a FE pro body.
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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    I know enough to say that everything is unpredictable with Sony. If only they will make a set of compact f2 primes, it would look good.
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    Really like the shots and your different approach to PP but I would be interested in seeing the original ARW files so as to be able to judge the lenses performance a bit more. Thanks for posting

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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Could you show a picture of this lens (mounted on a cam or on its own) with its hood
    In case you haven't seen one yet, here it is with the included hood.

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    I also ordered from T-dimensions in Hong Kong, not wanting to wait for US vendors.

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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Can anyone already using the 2.0/28 post a 100% crop of the edges of a wide scene focused at infinity (for instance a landscape scene, horizon parallel... or almost parallel to the image plane) shot @f5.6 of f8 with the A7R?
    Many, many, many, many, many thanks in advance!!! :-)
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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    In case you haven't seen one yet, here it is with the included hood.

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    I also ordered from T-dimensions in Hong Kong, not wanting to wait for US vendors.
    Thanks but I own one for quite some time now.

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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    Can anyone already using the 2.0/28 post a 100% crop of the edges of a wide scene focused at infinity (for instance a landscape scene, horizon parallel... or almost parallel to the image plane) shot @f5.6 of f8 with the A7R?
    Many, many, many, many, many thanks in advance!!! :-)
    I will see if I can find a link to one of the transfer site and will load a pic or two when I get a chance.

    I think f/4 is the best aperture already. No need to go to f/5.6 or lower.

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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    Can anyone already using the 2.0/28 post a 100% crop of the edges of a wide scene focused at infinity (for instance a landscape scene, horizon parallel... or almost parallel to the image plane) shot @f5.6 of f8 with the A7R?
    Many, many, many, many, many thanks in advance!!! :-)
    DPreview has just issued a series of samples taken by the 28mm f2.0.

    There are about 30 pictures taken with either the A7r, the A7 and the A7mk2.
    There are some at infinite and smaller apertures. The lens isn't yet in stock here, but I just checked the price of the online stores and it is quite correct..

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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    This lens seems like a much more natural pair for the 55FE and most of the shots I've seen seem to exhibit quite a bit more character than the 35FE... Add to cart.

    I can't lie... I don't expect them to be great but I'm half curious about the 21mm converter. It may not be THAT bad but I'm waiting to see more shots.
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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    DPreview has just issued a series of samples taken by the 28mm f2.0.

    There are about 30 pictures taken with either the A7r, the A7 and the A7mk2.
    There are some at infinite and smaller apertures. The lens isn't yet in stock here, but I just checked the price of the online stores and it is quite correct..
    GREAT! Thanks a lot!
    I'll buy one :-)

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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    This lens seems like a much more natural pair for the 55FE and most of the shots I've seen seem to exhibit quite a bit more character than the 35FE... Add to cart.

    I can't lie... I don't expect them to be great but I'm half curious about the 21mm converter. It may not be THAT bad but I'm waiting to see more shots.
    I'm taking that combo to San Francisco tomorrow. Quick trip up to Sacramento but I'm going to snap a few frames. Between the two, you have primes to cover 28mm, 42mm, 55mm and 83mm, if you lean on APS-C mode.

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    I lean on APS-c mode often myself. One reason to have a A6000 lurking about
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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Between the two, you have primes to cover 28mm, 42mm, 55mm and 83mm, if you lean on APS-C mode.
    If you crop in post, but no further then APS-C you can also say you have two zooms (28-42 and 55 to 83).
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    Yeah, who needs an optical converter when you can crop! One lens is more than enough.
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    The 28+55 seems like a fun combo.

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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Another review @ amateurphotographer.co.uk:
    Sony FE 28mm f/2 review

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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    More shot samples and there's a few with the UWC and FEC as well for those potentially interested in them.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/markga...7651578028942/
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    More shot samples and there's a few with the UWC and FEC as well for those potentially interested in them.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/markga...7651578028942/
    Thanks for the link. I've got this one on order too. It looks like a keeper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    Thanks for the link. I've got this one on order too. It looks like a keeper.
    Yeah I ordered the 28/2 and the UWC (I'll bite the bullet and try it out first.) Hopefully I get mine in the first round of shipments before my trips in May. If not then there will always be some free time to see what the converter will do.
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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Tre, I forgot to post some photos from the SF trip to whet your appetite for the 28/2.

    Here are a few and link to a post with more...

    http://chadwadsworth.com/2015/04/23/bay-area-blast/



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    Those look really good Chad but I actually cancelled my order yesterday.

    I actually put the money back towards the 35/1.4 FE Distagon. I originally had it on preorder but cancelled my preorder (a few days before everyone realized they were shipping about 7-10 early in USA) until I could see more image examples since it is on the pricier side of the FE world. B&H Photo had them back in stock and after seeing the 25/2 and 85/1.8 Batis announcements I decided to skip the 28/2 for now until I see some 25/2 examples which I'm guess will be amazing seeing how they are pushing the Batis lenses as "Pro" lenses. I'm not really a 28mm guy but I was willing to give it a try for $450. I rather have the IQ and speed of the 35FE Distagon over the 28FE personally though. The Distagon should arrive tomorrow.

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    Man with a plan. The equipment shuffle is never ending, right?

    I'm going to try both the new Batis as well but the 28/2 is just too much fun for the money so I'll hold onto it for sure. I'm actually on the fence about the 35/1.4...no doubt a stellar lens but I'd get more use out of an updated RX1 - who knows if that will ever come though. Maybe Zeiss will do a small 35/2 Batis at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Man with a plan. The equipment shuffle is never ending, right?

    I'm going to try both the new Batis as well but the 28/2 is just too much fun for the money so I'll hold onto it for sure. I'm actually on the fence about the 35/1.4...no doubt a stellar lens but I'd get more use out of an updated RX1 - who knows if that will ever come though. Maybe Zeiss will do a small 35/2 Batis at some point.
    It seems so but I can see a end to the lens shuffle with a fast to medium fast UWA in the 15-21 range and a fast telephoto in the 120-150 range. I expect the 85/1.8 to be an "Otus-lite" like the 55FE is. I'm hoping the IQ of the 25/2 is similar to the ZE/ZF.2 version since they are pushing the "Pro" angle with these. I'd be in hog heaven if I'm correct.
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    I was a bit skeptical of this lens, but Philip at FM had a nice comparison at infinity with other 28s, and it seems this is by far the best 28 for the stock A7, including the 1635.

    If I was shooting a stock camera I would certainly own this lens. The thin sensor mod though makes the 28 cron do real well, so I will stick with that for now.

    I would get this before the big 35 simply because it's nice to carry and plenty fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uhoh7 View Post
    I was a bit skeptical of this lens, but Philip at FM had a nice comparison at infinity with other 28s, and it seems this is by far the best 28 for the stock A7, including the 1635.

    If I was shooting a stock camera I would certainly own this lens. The thin sensor mod though makes the 28 cron do real well, so I will stick with that for now.

    I would get this before the big 35 simply because it's nice to carry and plenty fast.
    Well that's the thing. We all have our own personal needs and desires. I'm really not a huge 28mm fan at all but was willing to give it a chance because it's relatively affordable.

    You're sticking with the 28 Summicron because it works better for you the 35 Distagon will be a much better fit for me (some others too) due to the additional speed and IQ. Size isn't an issue with the 35 Distagon for me personally but it is with some people.
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    First batch of B&H pre orders are shipping. Hope to see lots of images from members posted soon. Im waiting for the Batis lenses

    There is also one on eBay ready to ship if you have immediate need.

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    I'm holding to see the Batis myself before I decide, but at the price this 28mm is becoming hard to resist.

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    I'd like opinions on the sharpness of this shot from the 28mm ƒ2. These are from the A7R, handheld, manual focus on the Y-shaped tree. To be honest, I'm not particularly impressed. Maybe I'm expecting too much. Overall I'd say it's pretty good once you get to ƒ4, but then I've already got that covered with the 24-70 and 16-35.

    This one is at ƒ4.0 (click to see them on Flickr)


    Here's the full-size images (cropped slightly to align the three hand-held frames) -

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    https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7687/...0cfba701_o.jpg

    ƒ8
    https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8769/...b69a901b_o.jpg

    PS - Eventually, I'm going to run a series comparing the FE 28mm, 24-70mm @ 28mm, 16-35mm @ 28mm, Leica R 28mm and Vivitar Series 1 28mm ƒ1.9.
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    Mike you just might have too much depth here in this shot for F4. F4 just won't cover this space of the image from front to back with DOF. Where is your focus point and what shutter speed used.
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    Guy, it's focused on the 'y' of the fallen tree. Shutter speed 1/4000.

    But I'm not talking about front to back sharpness. I'm looking at the focus plane that follows that tree (left to right), and even in the center, it just doesn't seem that sharp.

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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    If you take the distortion in to account, it will be fine. Focus at ~2-3 meter mark for f4.

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    Guy, it's focused on the 'y' of the fallen tree. Shutter speed 1/4000.

    But I'm not talking about front to back sharpness. I'm looking at the focus plane that follows that tree (left to right), and even in the center, it just doesn't seem that sharp.
    No it doesn't Mike. Wondering if by chance it's decentered.

    I would go find a wall like I do on a tripod and run a series on it and see what's going on. I would check it against your 24-70 since 28 is pretty good on that lens. Even the 16-35.

    My feeling on this lens if it matches the zooms very well or better it's a bargain to get and you get 2 stops with it.
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    Sharpness doesn't look out of this world IMO but I don't know that this is the ideal purpose of this lens. The best use for examples that I've seen of this lens are for street/people shots rather than landscape/architecture. I agree though that your test shots lack the sharpness wow factor and the shutter speed is high enough that the shutter shouldn't matter at all.
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    @HiredArm I take your point about the importance of the 35/1.4 for you, and respect that

    For my work, no lens is as important as a tack sharp 28.

    But even a tack sharp 28 will produce variable results in the real world. I see this with the M9 and 28 cron all the time.

    Critical focus and light quality have huge effects. One 28 cron pic will be blazing and another just a tiny tad fuzzy, like the examples above.

    Only the best samples matter. Everytime a new lens comes out we see some imperfect samples, and people say: "oh, not so good".

    The samples above are frankly terrible to access the lens. Give us an infinity view with distant details in the corners--like a long cityscape or landscape from high vantage, and then we can tell something. The BW pics are fun, but we can tell very little from them, or any image with heavy PP.


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    That's true if youre looking for ultimate sharpness. The more I shoot the more I appreciate content. Plenty of the "greatest shots" aren't very sharp but the subject is understood well.
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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I would go find a wall like I do on a tripod and run a series on it and see what's going on. I would check it against your 24-70 since 28 is pretty good on that lens. Even the 16-35.
    So, interesting results. I shot some quick tests (just before the rain started) using the 28mm ƒ2, the 16-35, the 24-70, a Leica 28mm Elmarit-R, and a vintage Series 1 28mm ƒ1.9.

    Summary -

    At ƒ4 (the widest aperture the lenses have in common) the 28mm FE is a close second to the Elmarit in the center. The 16-35 comes third. The edges and corners are a toss-up between the Sony 28mm and the 16-35. The 24-70 is weak by comparison. The Elmarit is poor on the edges/corners at this aperture.

    At ƒ8, the field narrows, with the three Sonys very close but the 28mm showing better corners. The Leica is also excellent at ƒ8, but still suffers somewhat near the edges.

    My conclusion - the FE 28mm is a respectable lens for a modest price.

    (Also, the venerable Series 1 28mm is definitely past its prime. It's no match for any of these others.)

    Here is my super-boring test subject complete with overcast, low-contrast light...



    Here are some representative full size frames -

    FE 28mm @ ƒ4

    FE 28mm @ ƒ8

    Tessar 16-35mm @ ƒ4

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    My conclusion - the FE 28mm is a respectable lens for a modest price.
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    Do you attribute the earlier lack of sharpness to an accident of focusing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    Do you attribute the earlier lack of sharpness to an accident of focusing?
    I'm not sure, but maybe. Or handheld vs tripod (although the high shutter speed should negate that.) The A7R is very unforgiving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    I'm not sure, but maybe. Or handheld vs tripod (although the high shutter speed should negate that.) The A7R is very unforgiving.
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    Whatever the source of the problem, I'm glad you published your test. Can't have too much info on these new lenses. Mine's coming this week and I'm glad for any data I can find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uhoh7 View Post
    The samples above are frankly terrible to access the lens. Give us an infinity view with distant details in the corners--like a long cityscape or landscape from high vantage, and then we can tell something. The BW pics are fun, but we can tell very little from them, or any image with heavy PP.
    I'm going to call Bull right here. When I shoot a fast prime I generally shoot it wide open or close to it. I'm looking at how the lens renders the scene - specifically center sharpness, transition and bokeh. PP has little to do with any of those, btw.

    Infinity view with details in corners? Ok, sure, I recognize some shoot that way but don't claim that a wide open shot has no merit in understanding the quality of a lens.
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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    As scary as it was, I shot some interiors today with the new 28mm. Seeing the RAWs populate lightroom is an ugly sight but they cleaned up pretty well once the profile is applied.



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    After shooting this lens for over a month, I'm going to give kudos to DXO Mark, however unpopular that may be. Their measurements and review are spot on.

    Sony compromised to provide a budget lens that hits the ball out of the park when it comes to resolution, color transmission and bokeh (for a 28mm) but struggles mightily in the distortion category and can also produce some noticeable CA.

    All-in-all, I think these compromises are perfect for the demands of today's shooters who are obsessed with sharpness. Add to the biting resolution, the nice bokeh and great color and you have a super value lens that relies on software crutches to really shine.

    It is what it is...
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    I have now had the FE 28 for 2 days, and it is a really good lens. The bokeh transition for a 28mm is excellent, and yet it is sharp but yet still has character. As mentioned there is distortion, but this is very easily corrected. For street portraits and environmental shooting this lens is will be great. Of course, I feel this will be overshadowed by the Batis 25 when it arrives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesK View Post
    I have now had the FE 28 for 2 days, and it is a really good lens. The bokeh transition for a 28mm is excellent, and yet it is sharp but yet still has character. As mentioned there is distortion, but this is very easily corrected. For street portraits and environmental shooting this lens is will be great. Of course, I feel this will be overshadowed by the Batis 25 when it arrives.
    Yes, we'll see what that little Batis can do. I like the 24/25 fov and it will likely be much much better for interiors and architecture.

    But that FE 28/2 is just such a great value if you accentuate its strengths. I'm very fond of how it renders wide open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Yes, we'll see what that little Batis can do. I like the 24/25 fov and it will likely be much much better for interiors and architecture.

    But that FE 28/2 is just such a great value if you accentuate its strengths. I'm very fond of how it renders wide open.
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    Mike great test and glad you did it for peace of mind. My guess on your landscape shot is the Af went somewhere else before the shutter release. This happens sometimes. For the money and a pretty easy software correction this lens is a bargain. Even though I'll go for the Batis because of gapping for me it might be a good lens to rent when that need arises. Love having these options
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    Re: 28mm F2 : first sample pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Have you tried the UWC yet?
    Should arrive sometime this week.

    I already have the Minolta AF 20/2.8 and I'm pretty happy with that lens but I'll give the UWC a shot.

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