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    Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Looks like the E mount will be out before the A mount and shipping in May for the E mount at 799.00.

    Like I mentioned in another thread this really is the only FE mount in this prime focal length for now. Hopefully Sony and a Loxia will come to market. I just sold my ZA 85 1.4 to get a Loxia 50 and a zoom. Now it's the hole in my setup somewhat. Now one has to wonder for 800 dollars and no announcement on other solutions this could be a nice time gap. Hmmm

    Just thinking out loud here but maybe the cheapest solution compared to a Leica lens that fill this Fov in several favors. Curious what others maybe thinking about this. Interesting option
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    With a 11 blade aperture this maybe the bokeh king. Now this is the focal length IMHO you want bokeh. Could be a dream lens

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Specs and sample photos here:

    Mitakon Speedmaster 85mm f/1.2 Lens - 'the Dream' - Mitakon - ZY Optics (Shenyang Zhongyi Optics )

    Yes, that looks like the "Bokeh King". It's 921 grams though... ninehundredandtwentyone grams. That's 2 lbs. for you Americans. Makes my Zeiss 21mm seem lightweight

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Guy, the good times will roll, the caption says it all: "Nikon F / Canon EF / Sony FE".
    These cheap makers will keep the major guys honest from now on.

    Saw a Zeiss guy interview and re Loxia he says: "..and as a product line it will continue to grow as time goes on". After the 'wide angle later this year', that is. This is the first comment at this level of commitment I have heard so far. Good!

    So overall, despite the moaning and whining, Sony appears to have kicked a goal - the first new full frame system in decades is a success, and it ain't going anywhere other than onwards and upwards. lol.

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Apples and oranges between this and a Zeiss 21. Not even the same focal length or aperture values... In any case most 70-200/2.8 lenses weigh upwards of 3 or 4 pounds and tend to be longer with the weight further from the camera body so I hardly think 2 lbs will make someone's arm fall off.

    Regarding this lens I will probably pass and just buy the 90 Macro (though it may be a bit too clinically sharp for anything except "child-like" skin or street photography portraiture) until a 75-135mm Otus-lite/Loxia options shows up. I don't do step less apertures after living with one on my Rokinon. The lens looks decent enough if you like more of a classic portrait lens rendering but I'll probably pass and save my money for the excellent or exceptional glass for me.
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    I don't think my arm will fall off either, but just when I thought I would shy away from heavy lenses, I buy the relatively heavy Zeiss 21mm, and obviously have to consider this one, which will apparently be available in F-mount as well, but is somewhere between the "classic" Zeiss f/1.4 and the Otus in weight. If it's good, it might be the bargain of the year though

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post

    Yes, that looks like the "Bokeh King". It's 921 grams though... ninehundredandtwentyone grams.
    Not a problem to hang on an A7s or an A7 II. Both have metal mounts, unlike the NEX' or the A7/A7r.

    It will be very front heavy for sure. Perhaps better on a Nikon or Canon DSLR.

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    Being a manual non AF lens, I think there are excellent alternatives to cover this focal lenght in the "old" stuff. I am happy with my Summiluxes R and M.

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Well not sure cost wise they are 800 dollars and 1.2 to boot but I agree some nice Leica glass in this range. This might sell very well. Of course as Tre said there is a 90 coming and it's native and has AF but that's not till August. Yuk
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    The 90/2.8 macro and this 85/1.2 are like apples and onions.

    We need a Sony AF 85/2 and a faster one (with no pretentious blue tags). The sorry state of the E mount story continues.

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    I don't feel that way at all. Obviously you never owned a Leica S took 4 years to get 5 lenses. Now that sucked.

    We have a lot of alternate choices with this mount and those blue tag lenses the Loxia are you referring too are really sweet. End of day I don't care what Martian made them as long as they work. Lol
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Of course, i never owned the Leica S and will never ever own one. I am not crazy.
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Lol good man your smarter than the average Leica fan. Lol
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Of course, i never owned the Leica S and will never ever own one. I am not crazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I don't feel that way at all. Obviously you never owned a Leica S took 4 years to get 5 lenses. Now that sucked.

    We have a lot of alternate choices with this mount and those blue tag lenses the Loxia are you referring too are really sweet. End of day I don't care what Martian made them as long as they work. Lol
    No, Guy, Not the Cosina made made Zeiss Loxi but the Sony made blue tagged lenses.

    As someone pointed out earlier, if these Loxia lenses last for about 6 months with you, I will buy them.

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Lol well anything last about 6 months with me.
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Gotta run and go shoot a gig. Corporate portraits and it has to be the Minolta 200 since I have no 85 now. Lol

    Actually I love 200mm for portraits anyway
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    it has to be the Minolta 200 since I have no 85 now.
    No 135mm 1.8 any more? If not, why the hell not?? ;-)

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    Waiting for a FE mount
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Well not sure cost wise they are 800 dollars and 1.2 to boot but I agree some nice Leica glass in this range. This might sell very well. Of course as Tre said there is a 90 coming and it's native and has AF but that's not till August. Yuk
    On the other end a Leica glass bought second hand now will most probably retain its price (at least), not so sure if this will be the same for the Mitakon lens.

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    The C/Y Zeiss 85 F2.8 is a sweet little lens worth considering as a stop gap.
    Any aperture wider than f2.2 at this focal length is generally too shallow a DOF for Head and Shoulders portraiture.
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    I have a lot of lenses as "stop gap". Actually, considering how long it takes for Sony to come up with any decent lens they are more or less "permanent".

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Well not sure cost wise they are 800 dollars and 1.2 to boot but I agree some nice Leica glass in this range. This might sell very well. Of course as Tre said there is a 90 coming and it's native and has AF but that's not till August. Yuk
    No Leica glass at that speed, however.

    That price is close to what you can get a Canon 85 f1.2 L lens for. The Canon is less likely to lose value from that point, and since the Mitacon has no connections to the camera, there are no advantages in EXIF recording over the Canon.

    I think the obvious decision is between those two lenses, probably based on which lens you prefer the bokeh rendering on. Unless there is a significant difference in sharpness, which could confound the decision-making process.

    I have a Canon 85/1.2. I bought one again after selling my original one when I went to the EF mount back in about 2000. Love that lens, and would't consider exchanging it unless there is something truly spectacular about the Mitakon.


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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    No 135mm 1.8 any more? If not, why the hell not?? ;-)
    I might have lifted that off of Guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The 90/2.8 macro and this 85/1.2 are like apples and onions.

    We need a Sony AF 85/2 and a faster one (with no pretentious blue tags). The sorry state of the E mount story continues.
    I don't know about you but I like the blue tagged glass that I've kept (55FE and 135/1.8 Sonnar.) I don't care if Zeiss or Cosina makes the 50 Loxia/ZM - it's an amazing piece of glass and definitely worth the price IMO. At the very least I like to have a familial signature and color in my lenses.

    FWIW the 28FE is cheap enough that I'm gambling on it and the UWA adapter too. The 90 Macro is a definite buy for me despite only being f/2.8 which I'm mostly against but I imagine it'll be impressively sharp from wide open but if not I still have a Leica 90 Summicron Pre-AA for portraits.
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Warning jumping OT. I know a lot of people won't use a 200mm for a portrait thinking it maybe to long. Im not in that camp , I actually prefer something long and folks there aint much better than a Minolta 200mm 2.8 HS lens. For a lens made in 1984 this thing is just bloody sharp. I even airbrushed this some and knocked down clarity and put very little sharpening on it. Its biting sharp otherwise.

    I used the A7II body this time tethered to C1



    Shot at F6.3 and watch the fall off. Its perfect

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I don't know about you but I like the blue tagged glass that I've kept (55FE and 135/1.8 Sonnar.) I don't care if Zeiss or Cosina makes the 50 Loxia/ZM - it's an amazing piece of glass and definitely worth the price IMO. At the very least I like to have a familial signature and color in my lenses.

    FWIW the 28FE is cheap enough that I'm gambling on it and the UWA adapter too. The 90 Macro is a definite buy for me despite only being f/2.8 which I'm mostly against but I imagine it'll be impressively sharp from wide open but if not I still have a Leica 90 Summicron Pre-AA for portraits.
    I have a few lenses in 85mm FL range. Waiting for that Sony FE 85/2, 105/2 and 135/2 along with a 21/2, 24/2, 35/2 and 50/2. Blue label, red tag, bird name , Mitakon, whatever, etc, OK, more the merrier but I am not budging. Let us see some regular AF lenses that are compact.

    I dont need an AF macro.

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    Well just try it before you decide that you hate it. Lol
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    It will never even get there! It isn't enticing enough to elicite any interest in trying!

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    Ok
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    ROTFLMAO.
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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    With a 11 blade aperture this maybe the bokeh king.
    AFAIK, 10+ aperture blade construction doesn't necessarily equate to bokeh royalty in terms of smooth transitions or shape of highlight points when stopping down. And speaking of Mitakon here's an example of their 85/2 Creator at f/2.8:



    Good to see another 85mm option and, possibly, the only native 85/1.2 for A-mount. It better beat 85/1.4ZA IQ for the asking $800.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malina DZ View Post
    AFAIK, 10+ aperture blade construction doesn't necessarily equate to bokeh royalty in terms of smooth transitions or shape of highlight points when stopping down. And speaking of Mitakon here's an example of their 85/2 Creator at f/2.8:



    Good to see another 85mm option and, possibly, the only native 85/1.2 for A-mount. It better beat 85/1.4ZA IQ for the asking $800.
    you are right of course, that 11 blade don't necessarily mean smooth bokeh. but look at this sample image!



    ugly model, beautiful bokeh

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Malina DZ View Post
    AFAIK, 10+ aperture blade construction doesn't necessarily equate to bokeh royalty in terms of smooth transitions or shape of highlight points when stopping down. And speaking of Mitakon here's an example of their 85/2 Creator at f/2.8:


    Good point! It is the size and the shape of the diaphram rather than the number of blades that matters the most. The 9 bladed aperture of the current Sony FE lenses all are pretty much rounded. They did get that right.

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    I just looked the Sony FE 28/2 and the Olympus OM F.Zuiko 85/2 (with an adapter) side by side. Almost the same size! It should not be difficult to make an FE 85/2, the size of of the 28/2 (which is already quite large enough).

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    but look at this sample image!
    I did look at other samples on their webpage as well. Very good center sharpness and CA control for f/1.2.
    Let's see what it can deliver in terms of highlight shape and corner resolution at f/2. I wonder why zyoptics doesn't post MTF graphs?

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    Re: Mitakon 85 1.2 announcement

    The samples look pretty darn good reason I even started the thread. It's a option that at least is peaking my interest. Obviously like to see some reviews and tests but 800 bucks it just might be worth trying. For me it's about getting away from adapters
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