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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Misunderstand what meant by 2nd tier. Between a 25 and 35 I have no use for a 28 just to close. Better wording should have been usage. So let's call it 2nd usage lenses or lenses that are not in the main kit
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    Tell me about. Zeiss send me these lenses now. I will test them for you.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I disagree with you terming the 28/2 as a 2nd tier lens. The fact that it does not carry a bogus blue label itself shows some honesty in my opinion and it is a stellar lens for the A7 series in every aspect.

    Besides that it makes no sense to rent it based on its fair price.

    The humongous Otii, OTOH, are understandably the darlings of the rental outfits. Being expensive, not being able to find regular use due to manual focus, size, weight and such factors.

    I sincerely hope there is a set of Sony primes like the 28/2, including a 50/2.
    Vivek the 28/2 certainly is the bargain of the FE world. I almost bought one myself but I figured the 25/2 would be a better fit for me even at 3X the price.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    It sits now right smack in between the 35's and now with a Zeiss 25mm that promises to be really good . Now if you had a 50 only than you could gap it to 28 and 21. These are just simply gapping issues.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Yes, the 28/2 is a fine lens. I would like to see a series of them from Sony (if sounds repetitive, sorry). No 3rd party is going make a system. They still need to be hung on the Thailand made Sony cams. They are not Zeiss Ikon (disappeared from the camera world altogether and there are good reasons for it).

    Thank goodness they are not!

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    It sits now right smack in between the 35's and now with a Zeiss 25mm that promises to be really good . Now if you had a 50 only than you could gap it to 28 and 21. These are just simply gapping issues.
    My thinking as well 25, 35, 55, 85, and my ZA135/1.8. Five amazing primes (well potentially with the BATIS lenses.)

    I'll probably add the 70-200 and wait on the a native FE UWA and 135mm lens and call it done.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    I'll probably wind up with Batis 25, Loxia 35, Loxia 50, Batis 85 all native mount. Than my Minolta 200mm and hopefully add a 16 or 18mm that be my main high res kit. Than I throw in the Sigma 24-70, 85,200 pr kit and maybe toss inthe Loxias as extra. 2 kits but shared
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    This 25 and 85 are redefining what I wanted all along in my kit.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Yes, the 28/2 is a fine lens. I would like to see a series of them from Sony (if sounds repetitive, sorry). No 3rd party is going make a system. They still need to be hung on the Thailand made Sony cams. They are not Zeiss Ikon (disappeared from the camera world altogether and there are good reasons for it).

    Thank goodness they are not!
    No I understand and I think many are of that thought process.

    I hope they focus on the fast Pro level lenses (plus a pro body) and the compact value lenses for both extremes. There's room for both even if it's somewhat of a polarizing point of view by owners and critics alike.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    For this reason I may wait for a Locia 25. 85 is fine but 25 I'm more interested in MF. See how this plays out
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    I thought they already said this in the press release or maybe it was one of the videos released.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Man, I really wish Zeiss stuck with the Loxia design language. This Touit style of the Batis is for the birds.

    Oh wait, they are all for the birds

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    I guess I'm in the minority that like the shape of the Batis and Otus lenses. They seem... ergonomic to me in feel...Well at least the Otus did. when I handled one.

    Friggin' smooth focus ring too.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Like the design. Just want to make sure the 25 has some tension or feel to the focus ring. But I can certainly adapt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I guess I'm in the minority that like the shape of the Batis and Otus lenses. They seem... ergonomic to me in feel...Well at least the Otus did. when I handled one.

    Friggin' smooth focus ring too.
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    The Batis lenses look pretty tempting to me. I think there are plenty of others just like you who are very excited by the potential from all these new Sony, Sony/Zeiss, Loxia and Batis choices we suddenly have on the horizon. The trick is to remain calm and gather as much data as necessary to make informed decisions. I bought the 35 f1.4 and have an order for the 28 f2. Should I get the 28mm or the 25mm? Should I get the 85 f1.8 or the 90 macro? Luckily, there will be time to read reviews, see samples and even rent them if we want to. Isn't it great to have such a wealth of problems? Sony, Sony/Zeiss, Loxia or Batis? Decisions, decisions. Oh, woe is me (and my poor aching bank account!).
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I guess I'm in the minority that like the shape of the Batis and Otus lenses. They seem... ergonomic to me in feel...Well at least the Otus did. when I handled one.

    Friggin' smooth focus ring too.
    Never tried the Otus but have used the Touits extensively. That smooth rubber focus ring just freaks me out for some reason. You definitely get used to it though.

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    This is a master stroke by Zeiss, the Batis line.

    So CZ for the first time have a program of AF lenses in full frame, but are not divulging what the next ones are, for now. These deliberately look like Otus and will dress up the FE bodies very nicely - appearances count for a lot.

    Ex Canon/Nikon people will love the idea of high IQ AF lenses almost as much as the 1% Leica M users dislike it, and there are many, many more of them. Once they see what they get with Zeiss over C/N - most are totally unaware - there will be no turning back the clock. Many of the Oscar winning movies were shot on Zeiss this year:

    "In all, eight movies nominated for Oscars® this year were shot with lenses produced by ZEISS in Oberkochen"
    http://blogs.zeiss.com/photo/en/?p=5778

    ZEISS Batis lenses are made in Japan.
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    See, it is the Obrkochen magic that won the awards.

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    Hired Arm:
    The Batis lenses look pretty tempting to me. I think there are plenty of others just like you who are very excited by the potential from all these new Sony, Sony/Zeiss, Loxia and Batis choices we suddenly have on the horizon. The trick is to remain calm and gather as much data as necessary to make informed decisions. I bought the 35 f1.4 and have an order for the 28 f2. Should I get the 28mm or the 25mm? Should I get the 85 f1.8 or the 90 macro? Luckily, there will be time to read reviews, see samples and even rent them if we want to. Isn't it great to have such a wealth of problems? Sony, Sony/Zeiss, Loxia or Batis? Decisions, decisions. Oh, woe is me (and my poor aching bank account!).
    True and the choice of 25 or 28 is an easy one for me if the 25mm choice performs. I'm just not a fan of 28mm focal length usually. I was gonna try it for $450 because it has decent speed and rendering at least. The choice between the 85 and 90 seems to be more about if you want the extra speed and smaller size or do you want a crazy sharp Macro. I think there's room for both and the $100 price difference really makes the choice somewhat more about need and desire than to toil about cost/performance ratios.

    The Batis lenses will probably make a nice pair with the Sony Zeiss lenses I already have though so I'm going that route more than likely.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    My thinking as well 25, 35, 55, 85, and my ZA135/1.8. Five amazing primes (well potentially with the BATIS lenses.)

    I'll probably add the 70-200 and wait on the a native FE UWA and 135mm lens and call it done.
    Personally I find that 55mm and 85mm are positioned too near. Although I love the 55mm F1.8 in itself, I would have preferred a system with 21mm, 28mm, 45mm and 90mm. Or 24mm, 50mm and 90mm/100mm.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    Hired Arm:
    The Batis lenses look pretty tempting to me. I think there are plenty of others just like you who are very excited by the potential from all these new Sony, Sony/Zeiss, Loxia and Batis choices we suddenly have on the horizon. The trick is to remain calm and gather as much data as necessary to make informed decisions. I bought the 35 f1.4 and have an order for the 28 f2. Should I get the 28mm or the 25mm? Should I get the 85 f1.8 or the 90 macro? Luckily, there will be time to read reviews, see samples and even rent them if we want to. Isn't it great to have such a wealth of problems? Sony, Sony/Zeiss, Loxia or Batis? Decisions, decisions. Oh, woe is me (and my poor aching bank account!).
    I have the feeling that this system is getting way too heteroclite : you have the usual Sony lenses, like the 28-70mm zoom, you have the Sony Zeiss lenses, like the 55mm and 24-70mm, you have the Sony G lens like the 70-200mm, then the two Zeiss Loxia and now the two Zeiss Batis. None of these lines is offering a complete line of focal lengths whether in primes or zooms. Yes, the system is still building up. But there could have been a better coordination between Sony and Zeiss (the Loxia were repeating already available focals). Now that was done, Zeiss could have finished the Loxia line instead of starting a new one. Or they should have started with the two 25mm and 85mm of the Batis line instead of repeating the 35mm and 50mm we already had with the Loxia line.
    Further, they don't even announce their roadmap, so you don't know what will come next in the line that interest you most, increasing the difficulty of an informed choice. In the end, the best strategy looks like waiting.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Personally I find that 55mm and 85mm are positioned too near. Although I love the 55mm F1.8 in itself, I would have preferred a system with 21mm, 28mm, 45mm and 90mm. Or 24mm, 50mm and 90mm/100mm.
    Fair enough. My Leica system was 21, 24, 35, 50, 75, and 90. I'd do 21/35/75 or 24/50/90.

    For Sony my long term goal is UWA in the 15-21 range, 25, 35, 55, 85, 135, and 70-200. I normally carry 2 bodies so I could do UWA/25/55/70-200 or UWA/35/85/135 or any combination of the above.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    I suspect that the tweaked ZM lenses are not exactly flying off the shelf for Zeiss. I prefer to stick to my adapted lenses than go for the pricey Loxias.
    Quite a few used ones are already showing up (ebay).

    OTOH, I would buy the Batii because they are new designs and for the A7 series.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    My line up will become:

    Ultron 21, Batis 25, Loxia 35 FE 55/1.8 FE 90/2.8.

    Vivek, once you go Loxia - you don't go back. Mind you I would have preferred an AF lens myself but you can't have everything.

    Not sure why they are turning up on ebay but probably because users are so used to AF lenses they find MF lenses to difficult to handle.

    There are two other lenses I would like: an UWA prime, e.g. 15 or 18 and a really good 180-200mm, or even a 300mm. An equivalent to the Nikon 300/2.8 with AF for the A7R would be a killer combination.

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    I have the feeling that this system is getting way too heteroclite : you have the usual Sony lenses, like the 28-70mm zoom, you have the Sony Zeiss lenses, like the 55mm and 24-70mm, you have the Sony G lens like the 70-200mm, then the two Zeiss Loxia and now the two Zeiss Batis. None of these lines is offering a complete line of focal lengths whether in primes or zooms. Yes, the system is still building up. But there could have been a better coordination between Sony and Zeiss (the Loxia were repeating already available focals). Now that was done, Zeiss could have finished the Loxia line instead of starting a new one. Or they should have started with the two 25mm and 85mm of the Batis line instead of repeating the 35mm and 50mm we already had with the Loxia line.
    Further, they don't even announce their roadmap, so you don't know what will come next in the line that interest you most, increasing the difficulty of an informed choice. In the end, the best strategy looks like waiting.
    I agree that the best strategy is to wait if you need a complete lens lineup and solution but I've been down this road with Micro 4/3 as I was an early adopter there as well. Regarding the lines I think only the basic zooms are "complete." The primes are a bit different in that they are for different groups. Some will never go for the 35 Distagon, some will never buy manual only Loxia's, and some will find the small Sony Zeiss 35 too slow. Same can be said of the 50's. Same can be said of the BATIS'. All lines aren't for everyone. Choice is good though and I think we will see family resemblance is the Zeiss branded glass.

    I jumped from a Canon system to a building Micro 4/3 that only had the kit zoom or the cheap 90-400 equivalent zoom for the first 6 months until the 40mm equivalent prime and 90mm macro were released close to the time a second more compact body was introduced.

    The cameras performed well for what they were but they didn't build the system out anywhere near as fast as what Sony, Zeiss, Samyang/Rokinon, or Voigtlander are doing... and that was with 2 manufacturers. Eventually everything came together and 7 years later it's the most complete mirrorless system. The Fuji might provide the most desirable primes today coupled with some optically decent zooms.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I suspect that the tweaked ZM lenses are not exactly flying off the shelf for Zeiss. I prefer to stick to my adapted lenses than go for the pricey Loxias.
    Quite a few used ones are already showing up (ebay).

    OTOH, I would buy the Batii because they are new designs and for the A7 series.
    I also think they are a limited production as they trickle in very slowly. I haven't seen many up for sale online. Mostly preorders.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    My line up will become:

    Ultron 21, Batis 25, Loxia 35 FE 55/1.8 FE 90/2.8.

    Vivek, once you go Loxia - you don't go back. Mind you I would have preferred an AF lens myself but you can't have everything.

    Not sure why they are turning up on ebay but probably because users are so used to AF lenses they find MF lenses to difficult to handle.

    There are two other lenses I would like: an UWA prime, e.g. 15 or 18 and a really good 180-200mm, or even a 300mm. An equivalent to the Nikon 300/2.8 with AF for the A7R would be a killer combination.

    Just my two cents

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    Me too and I think 18mm is that sweet spot for UWA where it doesn't look too distorted in 3:2 ratio.

    I love the 21 Ultron as well but I'd like to move to a fast or medium fast native FE solution in time. A long native prime would be nice as well. Maybe even in the f/4 range.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I suspect that the tweaked ZM lenses are not exactly flying off the shelf for Zeiss. I prefer to stick to my adapted lenses than go for the pricey Loxias.
    Quite a few used ones are already showing up (ebay).

    OTOH, I would buy the Batii because they are new designs and for the A7 series.
    I found that the Loxia are little cute jewels : I like their modern look, so considered getting them : but I already have the 55mm F1.8 which I like a lot and that would be a duplicate; I don't really like the 35mm focal length because it reminds me too much if the standard aperture of fixed length compact film cameras (neither wide enough, nor long enough); plus the reviews weren't so stellar. Then what about MF ? Given my eyesight I'm getting too many misses.. So I decided against those two, thinking that I may perhaps go for a wide angle Loxia later and use it with the DOF scales and zone focusing.

    Also did you ever look at the profile of the members of photo forums ? At DPreviews polls show that the waste majority is over 50 years old.. Thus often with problematic eyesight. The lack of interest for MF lenses could just be due to some physical limitations, given that enthusiasts photographers are an aging minotity nowadays (young people preferring videos and smartphones).

    So yes, it is well possible that the issuing of the Loxia series was a flop and the reason why they started the Batis line. The Loxia line may have been more successful, had they started with non redundant focal lengths. I would have got a 28mm, but not a tele 75mm or 90mm.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Why not try the 28/2 since you like 28mm? It seems to be a pretty good performer and I think there are lens profiles in LR for it.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Also did you ever look at the profile of the members of photo forums ?
    Never! I only go by the pictures posted and so tough luck Annna T.

    Let me add here that Michiel is a personal hero of mine. The amount of energy and enthusiasm I see in him is truly inspiring.

    He is much more eager and enthusiastic than me. So, age is absolutely not a factor at all.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Vivek, once you go Loxia - you don't go back. Mind you I would have preferred an AF lens myself but you can't have everything.
    Hi Louis, I have been tempted and notwithstanding the pictures you have shown, the auto magnification "feature" of the Loxii due to a chip communicating with the camera is an impediment for me. I understand many would love it. Not me. It is a definite no, no.

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    Hi Louis, I have been tempted and notwithstanding the pictures you have shown, the auto magnification "feature" of the Loxii due to a chip communicating with the camera is an impediment for me. I understand many would love it. Not me. It is a definite no, no.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Thanks, Mike. It helped to turn off an annoying feature (while using the 28/2) to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Hi Louis, I have been tempted and notwithstanding the pictures you have shown, the auto magnification "feature" of the Loxii due to a chip communicating with the camera is an impediment for me. I understand many would love it. Not me. It is a definite no, no.
    I turned that off. I'm not a fan of when I touch the lens it auto goes in that mode. I rather use my C1 button (custom function)
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    I agree the system is a little puzzled right now with diffrent styles of lenses but I figure that will work itself out. Folks I'm well known for buying a lens use it for awhile than sell it. End of day consider that I rented it for a bit because I'm not really losing a lot of money in the end. So I will as we go on what's available and make the switches later.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    But I will say I'm sticking to at least two of the lines the Loxia and Batis. BTW the Loxia is much better than the reviews which honestly as a person that does them. I really don't trust a lot of them anyway. Even some of the well known guys and paid subscription ones either. Frankly most people have a agenda. I certainly do not. That's between us
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    One thing I was going to bring up was after I shot the Loxia 50 more today but I will tell you now is on the two Loxia lenses without magnification just using focus peaking only I find these two lenses the most accurate when it lights up. Other lenses I seem to always have to adjust slightly with the A7r but these two are deadly accurate even focusing wide open. For Loxia owners try this out and after you focus than use the magnification to check it. For me at least it's really spanking good. I don't get that with other lenses this well. I'm usually very close but the Loxia seem to be in a diffrent ball park on this and extremely accurate.
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    Never! I only go by the pictures posted and so tough luck Annna T.

    Let me add here that Michiel is a personal hero of mine. The amount of energy and enthusiasm I see in him is truly inspiring.

    He is much more eager and enthusiastic than me. So, age is absolutely not a factor at all.
    Sorry, i wasn't very clear : by profile I didn't think to what each member adds to his/her own profile, but was referring to polls; on DPreview forums there were such polls and people younger younger than 50 were a clear minority.

    I agree with you concerning the creativity of the members of this board and I'm always studying the composition of Michiel's pictures very attentively. I'm a fan too and not only because his centers of interest are near of mines (buildings, cities, industrial complexes, show windows and last but not least constructivism), but because of the quality of his compositions. I try to learn from his pictures. He is very generous to share them with us so regularly.
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    I have the feeling that this system is getting way too heteroclite : you have the usual Sony lenses, like the 28-70mm zoom, you have the Sony Zeiss lenses, like the 55mm and 24-70mm, you have the Sony G lens like the 70-200mm, then the two Zeiss Loxia and now the two Zeiss Batis. None of these lines is offering a complete line of focal lengths whether in primes or zooms. Yes, the system is still building up. But there could have been a better coordination between Sony and Zeiss (the Loxia were repeating already available focals). Now that was done, Zeiss could have finished the Loxia line instead of starting a new one. Or they should have started with the two 25mm and 85mm of the Batis line instead of repeating the 35mm and 50mm we already had with the Loxia line.
    Further, they don't even announce their roadmap, so you don't know what will come next in the line that interest you most, increasing the difficulty of an informed choice. In the end, the best strategy looks like waiting.
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    I get the feeling that the Sony ride will never be an orthodox ownership experience. With the way the camera market is changing and with the Sony fiscal situation perched precariously on the edge of the precipice, I suspect that the FE system success is almost as much of a surprise to Sony as it was to everyone else. I think Sony and Zeiss are striking while the iron is hot. The trick for us is to carefully wait for the correct lenses. And this is difficult because at the beginning of a new lens mount every new lens has the advantage of being unique! But if 21mm is what someone really wants then he shouldn't get the 25mm. But sometimes it is hard to resist when up until that point the widest thing available is 35mm.
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    I agree that the best strategy is to wait if you need a complete lens lineup and solution but I've been down this road with Micro 4/3 as I was an early adopter there as well. Regarding the lines I think only the basic zooms are "complete." The primes are a bit different in that they are for different groups. Some will never go for the 35 Distagon, some will never buy manual only Loxia's, and some will find the small Sony Zeiss 35 too slow. Same can be said of the 50's. Same can be said of the BATIS'. All lines aren't for everyone. Choice is good though and I think we will see family resemblance is the Zeiss branded glass.

    I jumped from a Canon system to a building Micro 4/3 that only had the kit zoom or the cheap 90-400 equivalent zoom for the first 6 months until the 40mm equivalent prime and 90mm macro were released close to the time a second more compact body was introduced.

    The cameras performed well for what they were but they didn't build the system out anywhere near as fast as what Sony, Zeiss, Samyang/Rokinon, or Voigtlander are doing... and that was with 2 manufacturers. Eventually everything came together and 7 years later it's the most complete mirrorless system. The Fuji might provide the most desirable primes today coupled with some optically decent zooms.
    Good that you take the example of MFT; I was an early adopter too (and still a user), but I think the lenses development of MFT made much more sense. Apart of the constant reiteration of mediocre standard zooms, you had a good three primes kit quite early if you combined the Panasonic 20mm with the Olympus 12mm and 45mm. The issuing sequence of the primes made much more sense, first fast standard, then a wide plus a short tele, one Macro and the other for portraits, then more specialized lenses : the 60mm macro and the wonderful 75mm F1.8. Then some faster 35mm. And then only Olympus issued focals already available from Panasonic (17mm and 25mm). When the consumers zooms were done, as well as the main primes one should have, they started with the series of pro zooms; the lens road map was also better announced. I wish Zeiis and Sony would offer a better coordination.

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    There is no doubt that both of these lenses are tempting. Actually I would like both. I love 24MM (and 25 should satisfy) and 85 is almost a must.

    HOWEVER, if I let GAS subside for just a moment the 85 2.8 "A" lens I have is very sharp and very small and I seem to remember great praise around here for the FE 16-35 that seems to cover the 25 range.

    Decisions - decisions.
    Rational thought - keep the 85 I have and buy the 16-35. Maybe sell my 14 2.8.
    GAS - buy the new 85, buy the 25

    Has GAS taken over the forum Should I be rational or be like everyone else here

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    I have the 16-35 and it's very good to 24mm so even though I want the 25 I could continue with the zoom reason being is I lose the 16mm in a lateral trade. The one big issue right now is very few ultra wides so I may still get the 25 but hold onto the zoom until the ultra wide develops. A 21 won't do it for me since the gapping from 35 wider is not good a 24 and or 16/18 prime would be a better gapping tool. The 85 is a no brainier for me. I sold my 85 1.4 and my reason there was simple it had a hard time With AF. It was just to slow and not accurate enough although killer nice it was problematic . A native 85 will just AF far better and with the expanded focus points. Back to the 25 I really don't need AF with this lens but I'll most likely get the Batis 25 and try to hold on to the zoom for a bit. Will see what happens next. But a 16/18, 25, 35, 50 , 85 is my ultimate goal kit.
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    Guy,
    from your post above....But a 16/18, 25, 35, 50 , 85 is my ultimate goal kit.

    Aren't you the guy whose photos and praise finally drove me to buy the Minolta 200 2.8? (A fantastic lens by the way.)

    I too would take a 16 and 25 over the 16-35 but it doesn't exist.

    Decisions - decisions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Good that you take the example of MFT; I was an early adopter too (and still a user), but I think the lenses development of MFT made much more sense. Apart of the constant reiteration of mediocre standard zooms, you had a good three primes kit quite early if you combined the Panasonic 20mm with the Olympus 12mm and 45mm. The issuing sequence of the primes made much more sense, first fast standard, then a wide plus a short tele, one Macro and the other for portraits, then more specialized lenses : the 60mm macro and the wonderful 75mm F1.8. Then some faster 35mm. And then only Olympus issued focals already available from Panasonic (17mm and 25mm). When the consumers zooms were done, as well as the main primes one should have, they started with the series of pro zooms; the lens road map was also better announced. I wish Zeiis and Sony would offer a better coordination.
    Yeah the Panasonic G1 is the only other kit I own now beside Sony FE. The Olympus lenses came to the party late. Originally they only released the 17/2.8 and a 14-42 kit zoom. Eventually Olympus released the 9-18 a short while after Panasonic released the 7-14 again which came well after the kit zoom and basic telephoto lens. Let's not mention the multiple bodies between the G1, GH1, and GF1.

    The Olympus primes like the 12/2, 45/1.8, and 25/1.8 came a well over a year after the G1 was released. I remember people were wondering how much support Olympus was going to give as the DSLR 4/3 bodies (like the E620, E3, or E5) were still doing well for them. The Panasonic 25/1.4 was out at least a year before Olympus released their 25/1.8 version - not to mention the fact that the Panasonic lenses and bodies didn't work as well on the other brand early on.

    I don't know the status of that now though. Point is there were plenty of growing pains and fragmentation there too before they "got it together" and got it all right. We can look back 7 years later and say they have the most complete mirrorless system but it was pretty shaky early on because the adapted lens craze didn't really set in for about a good 6-12 months after the first mirrorless cameras were around... but most weren't wild about the 2X crop factor.
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    Guy,
    from your post above....But a 16/18, 25, 35, 50 , 85 is my ultimate goal kit.

    Aren't you the guy whose photos and praise finally drove me to buy the Minolta 200 2.8? (A fantastic lens by the way.)

    I too would take a 16 and 25 over the 16-35 but it doesn't exist.

    Decisions - decisions

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    I still have that in the kit. I just forgot to add that in that post but yes love the thing.

    Actually we have a few options today for ultra wide. We have the Zeiss 18mm ZE or ZF which is a very nice performer. New Voightlander 15 Version III , samyang 14mm. Of course there is the Zeiss 15mm ZE or ZF too. So there are some options right now until a native Batis or Loxia comes out. This is one reason I like This Sony system we have a ton of options. But ultimately yes I would prefer the Batis or Loxia 24/25 and a Batis or Loxia 16/18 . Something will come out hopefully soon. I just don't want to see a 21 come out as its to close to the 25. I had the Zeiss 25mm F2 ZE and ZF.2 and I'm really hoping the Batis is that lens. I'm all over it if it is.
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    Well there is room for a 21 as the only way to get there is with the zoom or 28/2 + UWC. I would prefer an 18mm though since I'll get the 25mm. I rarely go wider than 21mm though although I do have the Rokinon 14/2.8 Cine that I forget about pretty often. Good lens for the price (paid ~$230 for it) but I hate clickless apertures.
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    I agree that if they are releasing a 25mm, an 18 makes sense for the next widest option.

    These lens look very interesting!

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Yeah the Panasonic G1 is the only other kit I own now beside Sony FE. The Olympus lenses came to the party late. Originally they only released the 17/2.8 and a 14-42 kit zoom. Eventually Olympus released the 9-18 a short while after Panasonic released the 7-14 again which came well after the kit zoom and basic telephoto lens. Let's not mention the multiple bodies between the G1, GH1, and GF1.

    The Olympus primes like the 12/2, 45/1.8, and 25/1.8 came a well over a year after the G1 was released. I remember people were wondering how much support Olympus was going to give as the DSLR 4/3 bodies (like the E620, E3, or E5) were still doing well for them. The Panasonic 25/1.4 was out at least a year before Olympus released their 25/1.8 version - not to mention the fact that the Panasonic lenses and bodies didn't work as well on the other brand early on.

    I don't know the status of that now though. Point is there were plenty of growing pains and fragmentation there too before they "got it together" and got it all right. We can look back 7 years later and say they have the most complete mirrorless system but it was pretty shaky early on because the adapted lens craze didn't really set in for about a good 6-12 months after the first mirrorless cameras were around... but most weren't wild about the 2X crop factor.
    Well may be that we have a different appreciation of the MFT situation since I started with the E-P1, one year after the G1 and since Panasonic lenses were perfectly compatible with the stabilized Olympus bodies. I got the Panasonic 7-14mm and the 20mm almost at the same time as the E-P1 in July 2009; the 12mm and 45mm were available just a few months later. It was a long wait until the E-M5 came out and we got a better sensor however. Nowadays given all the partners of MFT, there are more than 40/50 lenses available. The only thing missing in MFT is a shift lens for architecture.

    Anyway, contrary to the FE mount, MFT is now a mature system. But that wasn't the point. The point is that their start was more coherent and there were road maps as to what we could expect. At least it made more sense for someone who was used to take pictures since the film days. But we are going too far OT now, apologies to the others.

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