Guy Mancuso
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Thanks I edited it correctly now
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Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming
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ashwinrao1
Active member
Good call, guy. I was going off the images seen on the teaser. The diameter of the lens is bigger, but ultimately, it's how it feels in hand...I didn't realize the lens was so light...It's great to have options...and so many options. I personally want more Loxia options, but I could see a future with Batis mixed in there...birds galore 
I also like the set up of the loxias, with the Aperture ring on the lens, MF ring, metal build)...52 mm filter...alll of that matters to me, but I must say that the AF/OS combo of the 85 is really tempting to me..., particularly for any prospective A7RII/A9 resolution monster...
I also like the set up of the loxias, with the Aperture ring on the lens, MF ring, metal build)...52 mm filter...alll of that matters to me, but I must say that the AF/OS combo of the 85 is really tempting to me..., particularly for any prospective A7RII/A9 resolution monster...
Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
It's one lens I would really like the AF as for me it's a model lens and having AF would be very useful.
My Loxia 50 shows up tomorrow and really looking forward to it. Love that Zeiss decided to build two lines of glass for this mount. That has been unheard of.
My Loxia 50 shows up tomorrow and really looking forward to it. Love that Zeiss decided to build two lines of glass for this mount. That has been unheard of.
One thing Zeiss should do (since we all know better than they do ;-)) is to farm out the names of lens ranges to a marketing specialist. 'Batis' and 'Loxia' sound more like medical conditions than appealing optical equipment.
I mean..Batis? How is your Batis going? Very well thank you, it's improving now.
The car industry figured this out a long time back. You have to evoke something special for guys to identify with so they part with the hard earned, hence 'Mustang', 'Forester', 'Ranger', 'Territory', 'Outback' etc. Otus - I can never get Otis Redding and Otis lifts out of my head. Loxia sounds like 'toxic'. Touit sounds like 'tweet' or 'twit'- very twee. Apparently they are all birds, generic names that no one ever heard of outside of Oberkochen or a museum. But even their binocs got 'Victory'.
Anyway, I see a big future for the 'Batises', horrible name notwithstanding.
Their aim is true, they hit so many marks - AF, OIS (85), dimensions, glass types, finish, weight, appearance, T*, I presume IF, not to forget the big one - price/value.
Once the dust settles, a 335 gram 25/2 with AF will look very versatile, and the short telephoto looks like a special portrait lens and a great fit to FE, compared to legacy adapted M/R lenses or whatever, that cost more and weigh about the same. It's one FL zone AF can really help in with small modern cameras, and stabilization is a big bonus if engineered well. I'll have to get the 85mm, most likely. Will it fix LoCA, after what they learned with the Otus 85 and 135/2 APO lenses? Sure hope so..
I mean..Batis? How is your Batis going? Very well thank you, it's improving now.
The car industry figured this out a long time back. You have to evoke something special for guys to identify with so they part with the hard earned, hence 'Mustang', 'Forester', 'Ranger', 'Territory', 'Outback' etc. Otus - I can never get Otis Redding and Otis lifts out of my head. Loxia sounds like 'toxic'. Touit sounds like 'tweet' or 'twit'- very twee. Apparently they are all birds, generic names that no one ever heard of outside of Oberkochen or a museum. But even their binocs got 'Victory'.
Anyway, I see a big future for the 'Batises', horrible name notwithstanding.
Their aim is true, they hit so many marks - AF, OIS (85), dimensions, glass types, finish, weight, appearance, T*, I presume IF, not to forget the big one - price/value.
Once the dust settles, a 335 gram 25/2 with AF will look very versatile, and the short telephoto looks like a special portrait lens and a great fit to FE, compared to legacy adapted M/R lenses or whatever, that cost more and weigh about the same. It's one FL zone AF can really help in with small modern cameras, and stabilization is a big bonus if engineered well. I'll have to get the 85mm, most likely. Will it fix LoCA, after what they learned with the Otus 85 and 135/2 APO lenses? Sure hope so..
Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
Should have just called them Zeiss FE- AF and Zeiss FE - MF
Of course that's just way to boring but logical. LOL
Of course that's just way to boring but logical. LOL
iiiNelson
Well-known member
Yes... Except no one can probably tell me what a Camry or Corolla is either and yet they have sold pretty well because they just work as intended in general. I think some are too caught up in a name maybe... They're from their Latin names sort of how Blackmagic uses "Ursa" (Latin for bear... ehhh just blame the 4 years of Latin I took as a child) for one of their 4K video cameras.
ErikKaffehr
Well-known member
Hi,
These lenses may have been what I was waiting for before jumping on the Sony FE-mount.
What I really wanted was an 85/2 lens, and this new Zeiss fills the bill. I want excellent performance at full aperture with no axial chroma, that is no magenta/green out of focus areas.
Of course, we don't know how the lens will fill the bill until we have seen some decent test results. But, the lens seems to be a complex design with 11 elements in 8 groups. I presume Zeiss doesn't put elements into lens design for fun, so I would assume it is well corrected.
What I see forthcoming for my bag is:
The 85/1.8, A Mirex T&S adapter, a Metabones adapter for Canon and a Canon 24mm T&S lens. And of course a Sony adapter for my A-mounts.
What I am still waiting for is an A9, but next version of the A7r may fill the bill.
Best regards
Erik
These lenses may have been what I was waiting for before jumping on the Sony FE-mount.
What I really wanted was an 85/2 lens, and this new Zeiss fills the bill. I want excellent performance at full aperture with no axial chroma, that is no magenta/green out of focus areas.
Of course, we don't know how the lens will fill the bill until we have seen some decent test results. But, the lens seems to be a complex design with 11 elements in 8 groups. I presume Zeiss doesn't put elements into lens design for fun, so I would assume it is well corrected.
What I see forthcoming for my bag is:
The 85/1.8, A Mirex T&S adapter, a Metabones adapter for Canon and a Canon 24mm T&S lens. And of course a Sony adapter for my A-mounts.
What I am still waiting for is an A9, but next version of the A7r may fill the bill.
Best regards
Erik
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Vivek
Guest
Few wonder why Zeiss, despite being Sony's partners, are making those "perfect" lenses in only Canon and Nikon mounts. :loco:
iiiNelson
Well-known member
I'd assume because creating expensive lense is a niche market... Making them manual focus only condenses that niche further. With that said they try to maximize on niche by offering to the larger user bases.
Could be a deeper conspiracy of concern to some about which Zeiss lenses are "real" or not (read: German built.) I can assure you that I don't care enough to investigate it all.
Could be a deeper conspiracy of concern to some about which Zeiss lenses are "real" or not (read: German built.) I can assure you that I don't care enough to investigate it all.
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Vivek
Guest
Well that is starting to sound like a sermon and tiring. :thumbdown:
Of course, it makes perfect sense to offer manual focus lenses for DSLRs as opposed to live view cams which are presumably not good enough for them.
Of course, it makes perfect sense to offer manual focus lenses for DSLRs as opposed to live view cams which are presumably not good enough for them.
iiiNelson
Well-known member
Lol. It was a mostly a joke Vivek... But can you imagine how pissy people would be about mounting an Otus if they are adverse to the 35 Distagon? It would be to the calamity and failure of Sony to provide adequate lenses (each particular user wants) on a system less than 2 years old.
I don't presume anything though but I agree that live view is an improved focusing system over OVF.
I don't presume anything though but I agree that live view is an improved focusing system over OVF.
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Vivek
Guest
Sorry about that characterization, Tre. I don't think you deserve to be clubbed with some of the moneymakers using that sermon tool.
I don't think you deserve to be clubbed with some of the moneymakers using that sermon tool. 
Hulyss Bowman
Active member
Those two lenses have been made for the upcoming Sony pro body. Zeiss have more inside infos with Sony than with other brands and team together for the future.
Sigma and other third party lenses have been somehow on a roll lately and here is the powerful answer from Zeiss at a correct price. Expect from those lenses performances close to otus (not otus level but vastly similar). The oled element is excellent especially for night shoots ... damn simple yet clever. Stabilisation is the indication for the next Sony body
Weather sealed...
It start to be interesting. If the AF of the next Sony is good I might jump.
The conventional manual focus lenses from Zeiss might go lower in sales. The touit line might be stopped, not very good lenses (having owned both). But the touit line gave the design for future Zeiss lenses as you can see with the Batis.
Serious stuff imho, can't wait news
EDIT: f1.8 or f2 is not a problem, seriously. I very like f2 aperture.
Sigma and other third party lenses have been somehow on a roll lately and here is the powerful answer from Zeiss at a correct price. Expect from those lenses performances close to otus (not otus level but vastly similar). The oled element is excellent especially for night shoots ... damn simple yet clever. Stabilisation is the indication for the next Sony body
Weather sealed...
It start to be interesting. If the AF of the next Sony is good I might jump.
The conventional manual focus lenses from Zeiss might go lower in sales. The touit line might be stopped, not very good lenses (having owned both). But the touit line gave the design for future Zeiss lenses as you can see with the Batis.
Serious stuff imho, can't wait news
EDIT: f1.8 or f2 is not a problem, seriously. I very like f2 aperture.
Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
On the Batis 25mm f2 I'm really hoping it has Zeiss 25mm f2 ZE or ZF image quality. That lens is absolutely one of the best Zeiss lens wide angles around, better than the 21 distagon if you ask me. No moustache distortion just some simple barrel and very little lens curvature. If it is we are in for a treat. The 85 I'm thinking it will be a 55mm clone and again if so another Otus type quality. I'm most likely going to get both but if I do the 16-35 goes and need to find a nice 16 or 18 prime. I know Tre is thinking along the same lines here. So I. Hoping the next Loxia lens is a 18mm even a great 3.5 would do it for me. My kit keeps getting smaller and lighter. These 2 Loxia lenses I just got dropped a ton of weight and bulk out of my bag. Seriously I'm feeling like I got a Leica M kit. Love to get back to those sizes a Domke F803 bag and I could carry the whole kit in it.
Also given this announcement I'll pass on the new 28 f2 and 90 macro but here is the good news they are just a rental away for a road trip let's say or workshop. In the last year or more I have been doing a lot more rentals from lensrentals and honestly it's nice not have to buy the 2nd tier useful lenses that one needs once in awhile. Nice to just rent them. Something folks should think about sometimes.
Also given this announcement I'll pass on the new 28 f2 and 90 macro but here is the good news they are just a rental away for a road trip let's say or workshop. In the last year or more I have been doing a lot more rentals from lensrentals and honestly it's nice not have to buy the 2nd tier useful lenses that one needs once in awhile. Nice to just rent them. Something folks should think about sometimes.
Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
One thing we have not talked about is the Batis lenses in there video showed weather sealing and that certainly is a huge plus for landscape type shooting. As I get older this size weight issue gets more important for me on workshops and hiking trips. I'm done with breaking my back after 40 years my back is gone from years of hauling stuff around the globe.
The big item for me is the A7r replacement and all I really need is that 36mpx sensor in the A7II body and feature set. Anything more is a bonus. So that announcement and release for me is huge. This Batis lens announcement just made the system complete, fix the body and I can take a nice long break from buying.
The big item for me is the A7r replacement and all I really need is that 36mpx sensor in the A7II body and feature set. Anything more is a bonus. So that announcement and release for me is huge. This Batis lens announcement just made the system complete, fix the body and I can take a nice long break from buying.
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Vivek
Guest
I disagree with you terming the 28/2 as a 2nd tier lens. The fact that it does not carry a bogus blue label itself shows some honesty in my opinion and it is a stellar lens for the A7 series in every aspect.
Besides that it makes no sense to rent it based on its fair price.
The humongous Otii, OTOH, are understandably the darlings of the rental outfits. Being expensive, not being able to find regular use due to manual focus, size, weight and such factors.
I sincerely hope there is a set of Sony primes like the 28/2, including a 50/2.
Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
Misunderstand what meant by 2nd tier. Between a 25 and 35 I have no use for a 28 just to close. Better wording should have been usage. So let's call it 2nd usage lenses or lenses that are not in the main kit