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    Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Coming in June (25/2) and July (85/1.8) so I may just cancel my 28/2 order... or sell it then depending on price of these. 25, 55, and 85 seems like a nice spread though. I'd just need a fastish 15-21 for UWA. I don't know how much a OLED focus scale is "needed" or wanted but the lenses are shaped like a small Otus so I'd expect that sort of performance in the vein of the 55FE. The 25/2 ($1299) is labeled a Distagon and the 85/1.8 ($1199) is labeled a Sonnar so they SHOULD have great performance (although I'm not wild about the 35/2.8 personally.)

    Official! Zeiss announces a new BATIS lens line for Sony FE: 25mm f/2.0 and 85mm f/1.8 to ship in summer! | sonyalpharumors
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    E mount got strengthened with new/specific designs. Glad I did not bite the Locia.

    I can live with the 67mm filter (although i absolutely hate the shapeless Otii like design).
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Yeah I will probably get the 85/1.8 over the 90 Macro for the extra 1 1/3 stop of speed and it's only $100 more. I'm sure the 25/2 will "kill" the 28/2 even if it's almost 3X the price as it's a preferred focal length for me above the 28mm.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Tre, they are called BATIS

    (another bird, insect catcher- Batis (bird) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Tre, they are called BATIS

    (another bird, insect catcher- Batis (bird) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    Yeah... I know... Just a typo on my part creating the thread. Hopefully Guy (when he wakes up and has a "lensgasm" on us these being announced) or a moderator can correct that.

    I'm actually happy about them being 67mm so that I don't have to buy new IR590 and Hot mirror filters once I sell my Sigma Art 35/1.4. Buying the 35 Distagon now that I've seen more than enough great example shots and canceling my 28/2 order now. I'll add these lenses this summer and call it all good until the 135/2.2 of f/2.5 (just going by the fast FE glass usually being 2/3 of a stop down from the A mount) is announced.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Prediction: The Loxia will be up for sale soon.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    I hope Zeiss takes these new optical formulas,
    and make Loxia versions with 52mm filter size.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Prediction: The Loxia will be up for sale soon.
    Maybe but I think they cater to different markets. Videographers are going to want the manual focus and declick features. Some will trade for AF though I'm sure.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by BJNY View Post
    I hope Zeiss takes these new optical formulas,
    and make Loxia versions with 52mm filter size.
    I think the Loxia will be optimized RF designs in 52mm thread sizes.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Tre, they are called BATIS

    (another bird, insect catcher- Batis (bird) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    Looks like Bait to me, and it's tempting to bite

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    This is fantastic. It's now a hard decision on what lens to get next. There is so many great lens in the FE system now.

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Here's a better link to the lens description and specs ... no MTF yet.
    Also mentions that the 85mm has IS ...

    http://www.zeiss.com/corporate/en_de...rom-zeiss_2015
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    My only concern is about any future FW updates for these lenses. Do we need to send them to Zeiss (like the APS-C lenses) for upgrades or can it be done at home?

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    I find it interesting that these are released under Zeiss branding and not Sony Zeiss branding. I wonder if that had to do with any of the backlash from the Sony pricing of f/1.8 and f/2.8 lenses.

    The other thing is that I like is that these are probably optimized for the high megapixel sensors.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    I want them both but for sure the 85 1.8 first. But now having a cheap sigma 24-70 for PR crap my 16-35 could be sold and get the 25 and pick up a very very wide prime something in the 15 arena. For me this changes nothing with my Loxia glass having the 35 and 50 until maybe the Batis comes out in that focal length. That's way down the road though. I need the 85 first for sure. Awesome news.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    I asked at SAR but didnt get a response to the question, is this the first Zeiss made lens with image stabilization?

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Slingers View Post
    I asked at SAR but didnt get a response to the question, is this the first Zeiss made lens with image stabilization?
    I believe this is the first. However, Zeiss has stated in the past that they don't want to include any OIS in their lenses because it would compromise the lens IQ. I wonder how they're going to answer this later.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Sony Zeiss branding.
    I wonder if the blue labels are shipped from Zeiss or Sony make it themselves.

    These are real Zeiss designed lenses made by Cosina or someone like that.

    The Zeiss/Sony "collaboration" is a drag on the consumers for sure. If each make their own lenses, everyone benefits.

    I hope the Sony-Zeiss line will die out due to lack of sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I wonder if the blue labels are shipped from Zeiss or Sony make it themselves.

    These are real Zeiss designed lenses made by Cosina or someone like that.

    The Zeiss/Sony "collaboration" is a drag on the consumers for sure. If each make their own lenses, everyone benefits.

    I hope the Sony-Zeiss line will die out due to lack of sales.
    Well I do like the 55/1.8 and the 35 Distagon is being referred to as one of the best 35's created. The 16-35 gets good reviews. There's plenty of really good A-mount Sony Zeiss lenses as well.

    So they did well with those.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    So let's say you have the a7II with 5 axis IBIS. How will this IS in the 85 affect all that? Sorry, I watch Sony with interest, but do not own any.

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    My prediction this lens line and new bodies coming soon we will see a lot of switching over to Sony.

    I also find it very interesting Zeiss announced the day before Sonys Event tommorrow. Sorry folks that is not by chance it's a marketing plan between them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    So let's say you have the a7II with 5 axis IBIS. How will this IS in the 85 affect all that? Sorry, I watch Sony with interest, but do not own any.
    Lou, OIS compensates for pitch and yaw, while IBIS would take care of the other three axes (lateral x and y directions and roll).
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    You still get 5-axis whether a native lens has IS or not. With adapted lenses you get 3-axis.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    I can see you guys are going to cost me in the end! That 25 should be a nice AF WA and I usually like the Zeiss contrast rendering.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    My prediction this lens line and new bodies coming soon we will see a lot of switching over to Sony.

    I also find it very interesting Zeiss announced the day before Sonys Event tommorrow. Sorry folks that is not by chance it's a marketing plan between them.
    Did you notice that they started the video with the Batis on the A7II (or may it was an A7RII but they didn't wanna blow the announcement) then switched to shooting on the A7R? Sort of why I was leaning towards these are the prime lenses you're going to want (along with the 35 Distagon and 55 Sonnar) for the high resolution and/or pro body.

    I'm sure the Loxia's will do fine as well... especially that 50 Planar.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Slingers View Post
    I asked at SAR but didnt get a response to the question, is this the first Zeiss made lens with image stabilization?
    I believe there were some older Zeiss Contax lenses with OIS but I'm not 100% sure.

    Regarding their statement about AF being detrimental to optical quality, maybe with the advancement of SSM wave motors they can be made small enough with little to no effect on Zeiss' optical design. Maybe there isn't as much glass to move in these designs. Maybe they were full of crap and didn't want to make AF lenses. Who knows?

    I'm thinking I should wait for some images from these before I get way too excited. but I do have a short telephoto NEED since selling my 85/1.4.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    You had me at 85.

    The 25 would go on the nex-7. 85 on the a7. Touit 12 in the bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I believe there were some older Zeiss Contax lenses with OIS but I'm not 100% sure.

    Regarding their statement about AF being detrimental to optical quality, maybe with the advancement of SSM wave motors they can be made small enough with little to no effect on Zeiss' optical design. Maybe there isn't as much glass to move in these designs. Maybe they were full of crap and didn't want to make AF lenses. Who knows?

    I'm thinking I should wait for some images from these before I get way too excited. but I do have a short telephoto NEED since selling my 85/1.4.
    Except the camera phone lens crap, Zeiss has never had any camera lens with OIS. They clearly stated in past interviews that OIS would compromise IQ. AF is only a limiting factor in that the AF optical cells have to be light and small enough for an effective AF mechanism; thus that would hinder Zeiss somewhat in designing. They were comfortable with making the Touit (but not comfortable to include OIS in the Touit line).

    If the Batis 25 can get as sharp as the Elmar 24 at f/4 and on, I would be totally sold. Otherwise, I'm waiting for something extreme on the wide-end. An 18 or preferably 15. Then longer tele for portraits or a mini-Otus 50/1.4. This year is certainly the year of Sony E-mount.

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    I think I wet my pants!

    This is great news, these two + the new Sony FE 35/1.4 and FE 55/1.8 make a great set. The 16-35 by all accounts appears to be good on the wide end.

    Perhaps time to list the 120lbs of Nikon kit
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Not light, but at least the 85 is lighter than the 90 macro. I don't like the styling, but I've been waiting for this lens since the a7 series was announced. Finally, there's a fast, short-tele for us to play with.

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Did you notice that they started the video with the Batis on the A7II (or may it was an A7RII but they didn't wanna blow the announcement) then switched to shooting on the A7R? Sort of why I was leaning towards these are the prime lenses you're going to want (along with the 35 Distagon and 55 Sonnar) for the high resolution and/or pro body.

    I'm sure the Loxia's will do fine as well... especially that 50 Planar.
    I would keep the Loxia 50 for sure but I may upgrade the Loxia 35 but need to see if they come out with a Batis 35 in the series. But yea the 35 1.4 Sony Zeiss I still may upgrade to next fall. Have to see but here is the great news we have options and I love options.
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    Also would not mind seeing the 35 1.4 price drop some , IMHO it's about 300 more than it maybe should be. I'm liking the 1300 max range on glass these days
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Honestly no kidding around this announcement is the best product announcement since I bought the A7r and if I can upgrade that body , I'm freaaking out I'm so excited about this. Excuse me now I need to go change my diaper. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiepphotog View Post
    Except the camera phone lens crap, Zeiss has never had any camera lens with OIS. They clearly stated in past interviews that OIS would compromise IQ. AF is only a limiting factor in that the AF optical cells have to be light and small enough for an effective AF mechanism; thus that would hinder Zeiss somewhat in designing. They were comfortable with making the Touit (but not comfortable to include OIS in the Touit line).

    If the Batis 25 can get as sharp as the Elmar 24 at f/4 and on, I would be totally sold. Otherwise, I'm waiting for something extreme on the wide-end. An 18 or preferably 15. Then longer tele for portraits or a mini-Otus 50/1.4. This year is certainly the year of Sony E-mount.
    A-mount lenses with SSM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken_vs_ryu View Post
    A-mount lenses with SSM?
    I see the Touit line as the first modern AF line-up that Zeiss is on its own. Others would argue the Contax N or G line-up, but those would not fit today's standard as modern.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by ken_vs_ryu View Post
    A-mount lenses with SSM?
    Those get shipped in Sony boxes. They are Sony lenses with a blue tag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Those get shipped in Sony boxes. They are Sony lenses with a blue tag.
    Yet they range from very good to friggin' excellent and have a Zeiss-ness about them.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Yet they range from very good to friggin' excellent and have a Zeiss-ness about them.


    You win!

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post


    You win!
    It's not about winning.

    It's about giving credit where it's due. Most people seem to think the Zeiss 135/1.8, the 50/1.4, the 24/2, the 16-35, the 24-70, and the 85 are all really good to world class optically - no matter who or where they were designed/manufactured.

    Don't tell me that you buy or believe that the German Leica lenses are optically superior to the Canadian ones... or that the Leica Panasonic's clones have better color too... because of where they are produced.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Bottom line no matter where they are made even if the same lens is made in two diffrent countries they use the same optical glass the same design and are identical . I owned a ton of Leica glass and people would buy the German ones and ignore the Canadian versions. Guess what they are morons for thinking the German ones are better. It's urban myth and keeps getting more play than it should. I been through Leicas factory and there is no difference they use the same glass in either location. There bodies are made in Portugal because of the magnesium alloy are not allowed to run that process in Germany. People are so caught up in these urban myths and exactly what Leica wants is to build and sell luxury items. More important they want to put that Made in Germany stamp on it. Trust me many parts are not made in Germany but assembled there.
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    I thought the Canadian Leica lenses fetched a premium due to having a "personality" over the german ones, but I could just be biased

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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

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    Don't tell me that you buy or believe that the German Leica lenses are optically superior to the Canadian ones... or that the Leica Panasonic's clones have better color too... because of where they are produced.
    What was that?

    All my Sony A7 cams were made in Thailand. So is the Sony FE 28/2. They are product of Thailand, made by Sony. Same goes for all the movies they make in hollywood. No one would claim they are Japanese products.

    It is all misleading about badges and over extending a trademark.

    No matter what you tell or a host of people say, the blue tagged Sony-Zeiss are Sony lenses sold for a premium. That is my opinion.
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    Hey I love my Canadian 90 Cron Pre-AA... It's the one Leica branded M-mount lens that I've kept and probably won't sell.
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    I had one too. Great lens
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    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    I thought the Canadian Leica lenses fetched a premium due to having a "personality" over the german ones, but I could just be biased
    Lol . Oh your from Canada. ROTFLMAO

    Seriously I never had a issue buying the Canadion version. I think the Noctilux was made there at one time too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    What was that?

    All my Sony A7 cams were made in Thailand. So is the Sony FE 28/2. They are product of Thailand, made by Sony. Same goes for all the movies they make in hollywood. No one would claim they are Japanese products.

    It is all misleading about badges and over extending a trademark.

    No matter what you tell or a host of people say, the blue tagged Sony-Zeiss are Sony lenses sold for a premium. That is my opinion.
    Well I'm not arguing that they are sold for a premium as that would be a ridiculous argument. I was merely stating that SOME of them are worth that premium.

    Some aren't even worth any premium status to me. For the record though the most expensive A-mount lenses carry Sony G branding and not Zeiss branding. Typically the Sony Zeiss lenses are closely priced with the Canon/Nikon competition. So it's not that the blue tag is really a problem as "G" status may command an even higher price.
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    Seriously folks a lot of the reasons things are made outside the mother country is the process to make them is not legal in the mother country. One example is Apple outside the costs they have processes in place that are not allowed here in the states. Chemicals that is.
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    Anyway back to these lenses which in my mind this makes a HUGE statement for Sony mirror less. Outside there own connection with Sony on there own developed two lines of lenses for the FE mount. This alone makes a huge statement for the future of mirrorless and Sony as the leader in it. Sure there are others but Zeiss making two lens lines is not normal for them if at all. I can't consider this a very serious commitment
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    Re: Zeiss Batis 25/2 and 85/1.8 Coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Anyway back to these lenses which in my mind this makes a HUGE statement for Sony mirror less. Outside there own connection with Sony on there own developed two lines of lenses for the FE mount. This alone makes a huge statement for the future of mirrorless and Sony as the leader in it. Sure there are others but Zeiss making two lens lines is not normal for them if at all. I can't consider this a very serious commitment
    Probably the closest we are going to get to a spiritual successor of a modern day Zeiss Ikon.

    It's crazy that these were just announced as I just pre-ordered the 28/2 last week after seeing some really good results from it here. These look like they will be winners for the rumored 50MP body if they're anything like the 55FE Sonnar or 35FE Distagon. Just need a 15-21mm and a 135mm option for me to complete a 5-6 prime setup.

    Anyone want need a Sigma Art 35 or a Zeiss 135/1.8 anytime in the next 2 months?
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