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    Batis samples from Zeiss

    85/1.8

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlze...7651844166820/

    25/2

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    Does anyone here shoot portraits like this?

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    Guy, You really need to get these for a decent test spin!
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    Interesting enough there's a picture taken with a 56MP camera in there (they say it's shot with a A7R but the resolution is 8910 X 6300)... Pro body FE camera anyone!?! There's also the regular A7II (and what I'd assume is the A7RII since the EXIF is stripped from the image) shots with appropriate resolutions there.

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    Re: Batis samples from Zeiss

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Interesting enough there's a picture taken with a 56MP camera in there... Pro body FE camera anyone!?!

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlze...57651844166820
    Well spotted!

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    Yeah I edited with a bit more information... After I was quoted but yeah. Interesting for sure. I think both are being announced soon.
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    Re: Batis samples from Zeiss

    Great catch Tre. They have a nice look to them at least on my iPad. Think I'm going to knit a new ski mask .lol
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    Re: Batis samples from Zeiss

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    85/1.8

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlze...7651844166820/

    25/2

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlze...7651844166930/

    Does anyone here shoot portraits like this?

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlze...57651844166820

    Guy, You really need to get these for a decent test spin!

    I would love too. I just don't know anyone at Zeiss. Leica yes but not Zeiss
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    Yeah they don't look bad to me... Not the greatest shots ever but it gives a great idea of rendering. That's all one can ask for. I'm sold on the potential.
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    Me too. We can judge the rendering and looks pretty Zeiss like to me. Nice bokeh too
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    Actually it Sony sticks with the 3:2 ratio for the higher resolution pro body should have a resolution of ~59.5MP (9450x6300.) That would yield about a ~39MP square image if you're into the 1:1 ratio, a ~49MP image if you're into the 4:5 ratio, or ~53MP image if you're into 4:3 aspect ratio... Lot of cropping/printing options with that sort of real estate.

    Might also explain the A7II rebate/price drop... That or thriving American economics.
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    The A7II price reduction makes zero sense unless there pulling a rabbit out if the hat. Maybe drop 24 altogether and leave it for the A6100 series. It's just weird
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    Bottom line for us folks buy good glass that's our smartest move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    The A7II price reduction makes zero sense unless there pulling a rabbit out if the hat. Maybe drop 24 altogether and leave it for the A6100 series. It's just weird
    Maybe... Or planning on more separation between the lines. Maybe the A7II remains the entry level FE body at ~$1500, the A7R becomes the A8 ~$2100, and the Pro Body becomes the A9 for ~$2700. Who knows though?

    They'll probably keep the names the same more than likely... Just was a thought. It is sony though so you never really know what they'll do... for better or worse.

    I also remember Sony mentioning in an interview they have some sensors they rather not sell to competitors and keep for themselves. It would be pretty funny if this was one of them - a "statement piece" of cost/performance sort of how the A900 was compared with the D3X.
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    Going to be interesting. Stripping Exif data is a sure sign of something
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    True especially when it's not consistent... Could just be great marketing and getting people to look at their lenses. It's been the talk of the late morning and afternoon for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Maybe... Or planning on more separation between the lines. Maybe the A7II remains the entry level FE body at ~$1500, the A7R becomes the A8 ~$2100, and the Pro Body becomes the A9 for ~$2700. Who knows though?

    They'll probably keep the names the same more than likely... Just was a thought. It is sony though so you never really know what they'll do... for better or worse.

    I also remember Sony mentioning in an interview they have some sensors they rather not sell to competitors and keep for themselves. It would be pretty funny if this was one of them - a "statement piece" of cost/performance sort of how the A900 was compared with the D3X.
    That makes logical sense get the A7II low enough to be the entry level at like 1399.99 when the new one comes out. Maybe even getting the A7rII to 1999.00 than nail us on the A9 at 2800 or 2900.
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    Both look really good. I'm in
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    I am super glad I have exited my Leica bodies. Sony really is where it is at these days. Met a guy here in NZ last week who had a bag full of every Leica lens available, except the Nocti because he had the APO instead, and he had the 7r and 7II bodies. His M240 and MM are on the block because the Sony blew him away. Also had the S2 and a lenses in another pack
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    Seriously you could not give me a M240. Great glass very hampered bodies. To limiting for Pro use and even Sony can be at times. I should say as primary body.
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    Re: Batis samples from Zeiss

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Maybe the A7II remains the entry level FE body at ~$1500,
    Hah, right now, the original A7 is the entry at $999. Wow, there it is. Full Frame compact for under a grand.

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    Funny I have not seen that discontinued. I wonder if it is
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    Looks really good! Exciting to see these samples so early.

    Couple #1 shot is a great example of why you don't want to always shoot wide open though
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    Yeah. Missed focus by THAT much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Hah, right now, the original A7 is the entry at $999. Wow, there it is. Full Frame compact for under a grand.
    Yeah that's taking a page from Apple's book offer that basic last model for bargain prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Seriously you could not give me a M240. Great glass very hampered bodies. To limiting for Pro use and even Sony can be at times. I should say as primary body.
    Hell I'd take an M240... To trade in or sell. What's the going rate for those these days? Honestly the only two Leica bodies I'd want today are the MM and S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    Looks really good! Exciting to see these samples so early.

    Couple #1 shot is a great example of why you don't want to always shoot wide open though
    Would anyone hang such a picture on the wall? I wonder why they put up such images as examples...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Hell I'd take an M240... To trade in or sell. What's the going rate for those these days?
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    Okay cashing it in than I'm all in. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Hell I'd take an M240... To trade in or sell. What's the going rate for those these days? Honestly the only two Leica bodies I'd want today are the MM and S.
    A lot of Sony ****. Lol
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    Yup... I could buy every lens I'm on the fence about and not feel bad about it (16-35, 70-200, 24-240, 90 Macro, and the 28+UWC.)
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    Why would they release the "couple" shot when it looks like the photographer made a mistake? Why would the photographer not have binned that image? It makes no sense.

    I think the high megapixel image is upsized for printing. The cropping matches paper sizes and the megapixels match for 300dpi.

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    Except for (i) the relationship of the two dimensions, Slingers, and (ii) 8910 / 300 = 29.7. Note the highlight on the 8910 figure too, that is the one that has been changed.

    8910/6300 = 1.4142 to the 4th dec. place, that is not a coincidence. The square root of 2 = 1.4142 to the 4th decimal place.

    All pixel dimensions are divisible by 4. 6300 is and 8910 is not. Imagining 6300 is correct - who knows but 59.5mp would change a lot. ;-)

    The Batises both look absolutely superb, and the MTF are really terrific. I hope their first run is large enough and the QC is up to snuff. They will sell these in large numbers, both of them. I see both in my future too. The 25/2 is a cafe lens, a street lens and a landscape lens all in one 335 gram package, with AF. Yes please.

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    Things are falling into place suddenly. 25/55 (Zeiny)/85 isn't a bad kit, and these two newcomers look very nice. As for the "failed" double portrait, I don't see it as failed at all. It's not a perfect portrait of two people, but a very interesting portrait of one person and someone next to her, playing second violin for the time being. Apart from that, it shows beautiful bokeh in a human face that is only a bit out of focus. A very powerful demonstration in my view.
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    According to the information on Digilloyd the 85mm has significant distortion, a little uncommon for such a focal length.
    Of course easy to correct, but will be clearly visible through the viewfinder or monitor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Interesting enough there's a picture taken with a 56MP camera in there (they say it's shot with a A7R but the resolution is 8910 X 6300)... Pro body FE camera anyone!?! There's also the regular A7II (and what I'd assume is the A7RII since the EXIF is stripped from the image) shots with appropriate resolutions there.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlze...57651844166820

    http://www.eoshd.com/2015/04/update-...440x6300-59mp/

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    Wow if it turns out to be true.
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    Yeah. I'm sort of thinking the A7RII is coming and will be 36MP. How do we explain the pictures with 36MP that have EXIF stripped. Why strip EXIF from an ordinary A7R that's been out for 18 months? Why leave the A7II EXIF intact?

    I'd say that maybe there's a HR mode except the shot is handheld which makes me believe this is from another camera or possibly Upres-Ed for printing as suggested by Slingers. Going by the OM-D EM5II HR mode adds 2.5 the base resolution (16MP becomes 40MP) so an HR mode on the A7II should yield ~60MP. If that's the case all of this would make sense except the handheld thing. A7RII would yield ~90MP in HR if that's what's Sony has been up to or if they found a way to implement a handheld HR mode through firmware.

    The shot is pretty clean though and I don't see Zeiss doing that for initial test shots. Besides 36MP is more than enough for smaller prints without raising resolution.
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    The eoshd exif shows the image is from last fall and has a pile of exif inconsistencies. The pic on the Zeiss flicker is IMO more interesting. Taken arms extended, top of head (has to be LCD+Eye-AF due to DoF); not a nice setup for current A7R with mechincal shutter vibration/delay. Dated mid-April whereas other A7II pics in the series are from february. Other pics in the Batis 85/1.8 series are equally slightly cropped to match the "paper" aspect ratio of the high MP shot. With stripped exif this sure looks like it is from a 59ish MP sensor, but there really is no way to be sure. Unlikely to be sensor-shift pic IMO, on top of head that is a very very hard t as sensor-shift is multiexposure. Could surely be upres, but then again why upres only that one, others with lower res are only cropped slightly.

    I took a look at the file with unix "strings" command. It contains some meta-info that is not listed otherwize like last edit is 15th April, with pic taken 13th, but nothing of use and surely no smoking gun there, unfortunately.

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    If it's an HR mode I don't know how much I'd care about it since I don't shoot much outside of portraits and the occasional landscape shot from a tripod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1krr View Post
    The eoshd exif shows the image is from last fall and has a pile of exif inconsistencies. The pic on the Zeiss flicker is IMO more interesting. Taken arms extended, top of head (has to be LCD+Eye-AF due to DoF); not a nice setup for current A7R with mechincal shutter vibration/delay. Dated mid-April whereas other A7II pics in the series are from february. Other pics in the Batis 85/1.8 series are equally slightly cropped to match the "paper" aspect ratio of the high MP shot. With stripped exif this sure looks like it is from a 59ish MP sensor, but there really is no way to be sure. Unlikely to be sensor-shift pic IMO, on top of head that is a very very hard t as sensor-shift is multiexposure. Could surely be upres, but then again why upres only that one, others with lower res are only cropped slightly.

    I took a look at the file with unix "strings" command. It contains some meta-info that is not listed otherwize like last edit is 15th April, with pic taken 13th, but nothing of use and surely no smoking gun there, unfortunately.
    Pretty much the conclusion I came to as well. I think it's most likely a new higher resolution 59.5MP camera in addition to the A7RII.
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    I wish Sony would also offer a Monochrom

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJNY View Post
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    That is a junk site with sensational headlines and links what Kai is selling.

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    Hi,

    I have downloaded that picture and looked at it at actual pixels. It is quite terrible and quite terribly processed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1krr View Post
    The eoshd exif shows the image is from last fall and has a pile of exif inconsistencies. The pic on the Zeiss flicker is IMO more interesting. Taken arms extended, top of head (has to be LCD+Eye-AF due to DoF); not a nice setup for current A7R with mechincal shutter vibration/delay. Dated mid-April whereas other A7II pics in the series are from february. Other pics in the Batis 85/1.8 series are equally slightly cropped to match the "paper" aspect ratio of the high MP shot. With stripped exif this sure looks like it is from a 59ish MP sensor, but there really is no way to be sure. Unlikely to be sensor-shift pic IMO, on top of head that is a very very hard t as sensor-shift is multiexposure. Could surely be upres, but then again why upres only that one, others with lower res are only cropped slightly.

    I took a look at the file with unix "strings" command. It contains some meta-info that is not listed otherwize like last edit is 15th April, with pic taken 13th, but nothing of use and surely no smoking gun there, unfortunately.

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