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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Quote Originally Posted by tn1krr View Post
    For handheld use currently the A7R is the optimal platform; slightly better sensor performance of a Nikon is more than offset by the huge handheld focus advantage of an A7-series camera. Given that Otii are DSLR lenses (small ray angle) so they do not need to be optimized for A7-series specially.

    Otus 85 + 36 MP Nikon gets following verdict in terms of a focusing (Ming Thein):

    On the subject of focusing, I think this is going to be the biggest hurdle for most users: even with my custom focusing screens, calibrated mirror and finder magnifier, it’s extremely challenging to consistently hit critical focus wide open. The viewfinder system is simply inadequate. The only optical finder-based method I’ve found that can nail focus involves racking it slowly while shooting a burst – disastrous for critical timing, but just fine for static subjects. Live view and a tripod is of course highly advisable.

    Personally I do not have trouble understanding why someone would want to use it in a camera where focusing handheld is quite trivial.
    I have a hard time understanding this whole line of thinking. Like Stefan said (Zeiss emphasise this), the Otii are not for everyone. Why then would they make it for Canon and Nikon? If the testers think a 11 bit file producing camera is better for the Otii (touted as the "best") just because of focusing convenience while handholding (that does not make sense if the photographer wants to squeeze every 11 bit information out of every pixel available as Stefan stated) why Zeiss, a Sony partner, did not make it for Sony E mount?

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    Probably a complicated answer: Sony and Zeiss are partners in Lens building , but also competitors in Lens selling. Zeiss certainly has to pay license fees for the emount lenses and probably the number of sold lenses estimated will not pay back on the Otus numbers.... I am not sure, but I suspect something like this.

    But who cares, both Nikon and Canon versions can be used perfectly with adapters on E-Mount.
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    Assuming Sony stays w the 36MP and just does an A7 type makeover where do you see
    the price, under or over 2K ?

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    1499 Euros if it includes a metal mount, EFCS and SSS (aka IBIS). If and only if that price is there, I will bite.

    Of course, this does not matter for those discerning professionals with Otii who will accept no compromises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    1499 Euros if it includes a metal mount, EFCS and SSS (aka IBIS). If and only if that price is there, I will bite.

    Of course, this does not matter for those discerning professionals with Otii who will accept no compromises.
    I believe their is little chance it will sell that low.
    Best I think is just under $2000.

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Vivek
    I agree it could come out under Euros 2k, but closer to 2k makes sense when new and then it might fall after many months down to your number.

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    No, that is the correct figure. IF ( a big IF), they do have 14 bit read out, and make use of the SSS to make the DR or the file size bigger then each of them get ~ 200 Euros as an add on.

    They should consider this a very generous price since I have paid xxxx Euros for their current flagship A7r with a plastic mount and that shutter.

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    Vivek, assuming you are interested in 59 MP instead of 36, it requires significant increase in processing power. Add in EFCS and SSS, further increase in processing power. Plus put this in a small package as required by the A7 series, add in metal mount etc, the cost is most likely going to be closer to 2.5 to 3k rather than 2k (in dollars). But if it comes in under 2k it will surely make me interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sven View Post
    Vivek, assuming you are interested in 59 MP instead of 36, it requires significant increase in processing power. Add in EFCS and SSS, further increase in processing power. Plus put this in a small package as required by the A7 series, add in metal mount etc, the cost is most likely going to be closer to 2.5 to 3k rather than 2k (in dollars). But if it comes in under 2k it will surely make me interested.
    For discussion purposes we were to assume a 36MP sensor.
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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    IF the 36 Mpix model will come out soon, the positioning will be as top of the line first. The official suggested prices of the last launches have always been around 2200-2300 $/ €
    And if a 50+ Mpix model will come, I´d guess it will be under the Canon 5Ds/r Price, so either a bit over 3K or maybe like 2995,-€.

    I nearly take any bet the body will look like the A7II, just chip and signalprocessing will be modified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    IF the 36 Mpix model will come out soon, the positioning will be as top of the line first. The official suggested prices of the last launches have always been around 2200-2300 $/ €
    And if a 50+ Mpix model will come, I´d guess it will be under the Canon 5Ds/r Price, so either a bit over 3K or maybe like 2995,-€.

    I nearly take any bet the body will look like the A7II, just chip and signalprocessing will be modified.
    That's what I'm expecting.
    In my case I hope they stay w the 36MP sensor and just add the other
    goodies.

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Quote Originally Posted by sven View Post
    Vivek, assuming you are interested in 59 MP instead of 36, it requires significant increase in processing power. Add in EFCS and SSS, further increase in processing power. Plus put this in a small package as required by the A7 series, add in metal mount etc, the cost is most likely going to be closer to 2.5 to 3k rather than 2k (in dollars). But if it comes in under 2k it will surely make me interested.
    Sven, It is a 36mp (but output may be higher based on shift use) sensor (as in the D810), I guess/expect. Even for this (even if you ignore higher pixel output), it has to have a much better processor, yes.

    The 50+ mp sensor will go to Nikon first (as is the case with ALL sony sensors) and will be only available 2 years after that in a Sony cam.

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    We are not sure this time around the made that deal with Nikon. They just made the CMOS 50 for medium format and everyone got that immediately. Sony may not be making that Nikon deal anymore as they are becoming much more competitive with them and now want that market share. Right now if I was leading Sony I would not be making that deal. Sure build there sensors but not with a 2 year hands off contract. Sony has there hands deeply in the sensor business now. I would not be making those deals anymore.
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    I would not either. But we are not running SOny.

    The D810 sensor is not bad if that output could be made available in a Sony cam.

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    I rather have that hi-res sensor in a Sony FE than a Nikon camera - for my Leica R and M lenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    I rather have that hi-res sensor in a Sony FE than a Nikon camera - for my Leica R and M lenses.
    Then just wait for the A9.

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    I rather have that hi-res sensor in a Sony FE than a Nikon camera - for my Leica R and M lenses.
    K-H, if you try the A7s then you will find out that the output from a 12 mp is sharper than the 36mp because of the shutter. It is not the high ISO but the silent shutter that is the salient feature of the best Sony E mount cam to date.

    55/1.4 APO Distagon (OTUS) on A7r or olympus pen f 60/1.5 on a7s- for me it is always the latter that would win out based on the final output alone and disregarding the size, etc factors.
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    I would be very surprised if the forthcoming Sony didn't sport the 56mp sensor that the usual rumor sites have been touting. Personally, I'm looking forward to it and I've never seen any softness out of my A7r. The files actually appear sharper than what was coming out of my IQ260 / Rm3d.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Barrett View Post
    I would be very surprised if the forthcoming Sony didn't sport the 56mp sensor that the usual rumor sites have been touting. Personally, I'm looking forward to it and I've never seen any softness out of my A7r. The files actually appear sharper than what was coming out of my IQ260 / Rm3d.
    I would much rather see all the other A7II refinements than just a 56MP sensor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    I would much rather see all the other A7II refinements than just a 56MP sensor.
    Just the 56MP sensor without all the other A7II refinements is pointless!!!
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    K-H, if you try the A7s then you will find out that the output from a 12 mp is sharper than the 36mp because of the shutter. It is not the high ISO but the silent shutter that is the salient feature of the best Sony E mount cam to date.

    55/1.4 APO Distagon (OTUS) on A7r or olympus pen f 60/1.5 on a7s- for me it is always the latter that would win out based on the final output alone and disregarding the size, etc factors.
    Well, indeed A7s with a bit more resolution would be very interesting.
    However, I am not going to buy another FF Sony camera without IBIS.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Barrett View Post
    I would be very surprised if the forthcoming Sony didn't sport the 56mp sensor that the usual rumor sites have been touting. Personally, I'm looking forward to it and I've never seen any softness out of my A7r. The files actually appear sharper than what was coming out of my IQ260 / Rm3d.
    It's a helluva lot better than what some give it credit.
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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Just the 56MP sensor without all the other A7II refinements is pointless!!!
    Agree it has to at least have all the features of the A7II or I'm not interested. Would love 56 but I'll take a improved 36mpx
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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    I'm with Vivek on this one. I have the A7II and it works well, but I am saving up my shekels for the A7sII. Super clean high-ISO + IBIS + improved ergonomics + silent shutter = WINNER!

    My only other hope is true 14-bit RAW files via firmware update.
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    Sony teaser breaking the mirror..

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    I'm hoping today's SAR rumor suggesting that there will be 2 new A7xx bodies is
    true.
    An A7RII similar to the A7II but w 36MP , and an all new A8 (or A9) w a 50+ MP
    sensor.
    That way everyone can be happy.
    The wealthy among us can spring for the A8/9 and the gentry can get an improved A7r.
    Win-Win.
    Now just hurry up and make the announcement Sony.

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    Would not mind having the choice of two.
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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    I'm hoping today's SAR rumor suggesting that there will be 2 new A7xx bodies is
    true.
    An A7RII similar to the A7II but w 36MP , and an all new A8 (or A9) w a 50+ MP
    sensor.
    That way everyone can be happy.
    The wealthy among us can spring for the A8/9 and the gentry can get an improved A7r.
    Win-Win.
    Now just hurry up and make the announcement Sony.
    The leaks are watertight, leading only to speculations. They will, naturally, leak information at their (Sony) own discretion.

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    What's a wait of a few more weeks for solid news? .
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Looks like we will get an announcement next week according to SAR.
    Can't wait.
    I'll be all over the A7RII (If the price is right).

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    My new Arca Universalis, along with a Blad 40mm CFe arrived yesterday. It'd be nice to pop a new Sony on there
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    Looks like we will get an announcement next week according to SAR.
    Can't wait.
    I'll be all over the A7RII (If the price is right).
    well as much as i wish that would be true, i don't trust this guy from sar a lot. for about half a year he'd been announcing tons of nonsense reagarding the release of a new 7r and all his highly rated quotes of his 'trusted sources' did not change anything about that.
    furthermore it seems basically he is the source of the majority of sony related rumors that are circulating the web for months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf65 View Post
    well as much as i wish that would be true, i don't trust this guy from sar a lot. for about half a year he'd been announcing tons of nonsense reagarding the release of a new 7r and all his highly rated quotes of his 'trusted sources' did not change anything about that.
    furthermore it seems basically he is the source of the majority of sony related rumors that are circulating the web for months.
    And speaking of SAR, the latest rumor has the A7rII w the same 36MP but
    w a new hi-resolution shooting mode.
    That would require IBIS and possibly a silent shutter.

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    I predicted this earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I predicted this earlier.
    OK wiseguy.
    How much ?

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    ~2000 Euros in EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    ~2000 Euros in EU.
    If your crystal ball is right I will be all over it.
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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    I would not be too enthusiastic this time around. Though the shake mech and silent shutter (if true) would be very desirable, I would like to see if they improved the hardware (processor) and the high ISO quality. I suspect it would be marginal.
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    [QUOTE=Vivek;641837]I would not be too enthusiastic this time around. Though the shake mech and silent shutter (if true) would be very desirable, I would like to see if they improved the hardware (processor) and the high ISO quality. I suspect it would be marginal.[/QUOTE

    I don't care about high ISO performance.
    And I would imagine the processor would have to be upgraded in some way
    to handle the extra load.
    All I really wanted was IBIS/shutter and a price I could afford.
    The rest is gravy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I would not be too enthusiastic this time around. Though the shake mech and silent shutter (if true) would be very desirable, I would like to see if they improved the hardware (processor) and the high ISO quality. I suspect it would be marginal.
    I suspect that the high pixel count will not play in favour of the high ISO quality.
    Silent shutter and IBIS (likely) and uncompressed raw files (unlikely) will be very much appreciated.
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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Agree.
    Don't forget the A7II body/ergonomics and 30% faster AF.
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    I was wondering if there is any downside to ISIS.
    Do you think of any ?

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Quote Originally Posted by Biglou View Post
    I was wondering if there is any downside to ISIS.
    Do you think of any ?
    I think you meant IBIS.

    [I was quite familiar with ISIS ISIS/Draw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Nowadays, ISIS google search brings up something totally different! ]

    Yes, there has been few reports of mechanical freeze ups (A7 II). David ("Viramati") reported on his ordeal with his A7 II.

    I think it also adds to the shutter lag.

    EDIT: Also a drain on the battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biglou View Post
    I was wondering if there is any downside to ISIS.
    Do you think of any ?
    No - as long as you can turn it off!

    Just this guy you know
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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    I seem to recall Fuji saying they opted to forgo lens stabilization in their 16-55/2.8 pro zoom to optimize image quality. So maybe in certain cases there can be a small amount of degradation caused by image stabilization itself? It could be an issue with a super-high-res sensor.

    Here are my predictions for the A7rII to include:
    - Higher-res sensor 50+MP with improved ISO performance (already seeing Canon's version... Sony will be better)
    - IBIS (there was a rumor against this, but I'm guessing it'll be there)
    - A7II body style (duh)
    - Better AF, but not A6000-speed (probably still lacking PDAF though)
    - New 14-bit RAW process (rumored in the works)

    Lacking:
    - No silent shutter (sensor readout too slow for such high res)
    - No High-res multi-shot mode a la E-M5II (unnecessary)
    - No 4K (sensor readout too slow, desire to differentiate A7sII or whatever)

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    No silent shutter, then give me the RX-1

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    So many rumors I'm counting nothing out nor nothing in. Just waiting for something directly from the horse itself.
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    I gave up on tracking rumors on Planet Alpha. When the release comes, I will post that.
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    Thanks Vivek, Jonathan and ggibson, yes i meant Ibis.
    The principle is appealing but i thought it could also bring problems of its own, probably more and more when the camera gets older.
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