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    I'm interested to see new body style

    I've learned now that MP count has little to do with performance, except if you like to crop alot. LOL

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Just the 56MP sensor without all the other A7II refinements is pointless!!!
    Exactly why I am not at all excited by the Cano 5dR.
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    I have been co-shooting the 5Dsr for a day for a fashiontest for "digit!" Magazine last week in cologne.
    As a comparison we had an IQ250 with an 80mm LS lens on a DF+. And I have to say when we were looking through the footage, there was nearly no difference between the Canon and the Phase. Not on sharpness nor on colors or DR. In fact we did mix up the results several times and had to look at the file name at comparison.

    Canon plays this very cool right now, but expect the camera to be a huge success.
    And it already is. The preorders are legion.....

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    This whole A7r replacement thing is really dragging out.

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    That's because SAR site gets everyones expectations up way too high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    That's because SAR site gets everyones expectations up way too high.
    And so I've learned.

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    This whole A7r replacement thing is really dragging out.
    What is the rush? We have a set of slow zooms, a few humongous (current and upcoming) primes. A set of 4 FF NEX'. One more would not do much.

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    [QUOTE=Vivek;642797]What is the rush? We have a set of slow zooms, a few humongous (current and upcoming) primes. A set of 4 FF NEX'. One more would not do much.[/QU

    What else, I'm impatient.


    Seriously ? I want those extra MP's packaged into an IBIS body.
    The A7II I have on loan is not cutting it for my needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    What is the rush? We have a set of slow zooms, a few humongous (current and upcoming) primes. A set of 4 FF NEX'. One more would not do much.[/QU

    What else, I'm impatient.


    Seriously ? I want those extra MP's packaged into an IBIS body.
    The A7II I have on loan is not cutting it for my needs.
    Can you kindly explain what about the A7II does not work for your needs? TIA

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    Can you kindly explain what about the A7II does not work for your needs? TIA
    I like to print large (30 x 40, or more) is all.
    I need those extra pixels.

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    With respect to optical stabilization vs. IBIS, optical requires movement of lens groups. This makes optical quality optimization much more difficult; the faster the lens and the shorter the focal length, the greater the problems. IBIS is free of those problems. Its main problem is keeping the image plane exactly perpendicular to the lens axis, and that is a much easier problem to deal with.

    BTW, if the new Sony could have the shutter options (electronic first curtain or both, with or without settable delays) and the IBIS of the new Olympus EM-5 vII, I would be ecstatic. That camera sets the standard. Unfortunately, good as it is, the IBIS in the A7II isn't quite of that caliber.
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    I'll just be happy with the higher resolution sensor in an A7II form factor. I'll be pisssed though if they change the grip and body dimensions again as the cost of new RRS plates get expensive!

    IBIS is nice but since I mostly shoot from a tripod anyway less relevant to me personally, especially since the A7II/A7S are my travel cameras. (Ok, I admit that I'd end up using an A7rII a lot if it's as good as the A7II). The electronic shutter though would be very welcome.
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    I am pleased with 24MP and since I would use the A7II mostly for street it is fine as is except for the way Sony handles RAW files.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    I have been co-shooting the 5Dsr for a day for a fashiontest for "digit!" Magazine last week in cologne.
    As a comparison we had an IQ250 with an 80mm LS lens on a DF+. And I have to say when we were looking through the footage, there was nearly no difference between the Canon and the Phase. Not on sharpness nor on colors or DR. In fact we did mix up the results several times and had to look at the file name at comparison.

    Canon plays this very cool right now, but expect the camera to be a huge success.
    And it already is. The preorders are legion.....

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    I certainly think the 5Dsr is going to be a winner for Canon but for me, unless the dynamic range is on par with Sony/Nikon - I'm still going to need my Sony for architectural work. Once you get used to the extra stops of shadow/highlight detail from the Sony, it's very hard to give up. From your tests between the 5Dsr and the Phase, I'm guessing that the dynamic range is about the same between the two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    I am pleased with 24MP and since I would use the A7II mostly for street it is fine as is except for the way Sony handles RAW files.
    Different strokes for different Folks I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShooterSteve View Post
    I certainly think the 5Dsr is going to be a winner for Canon but for me, unless the dynamic range is on par with Sony/Nikon - I'm still going to need my Sony for architectural work. Once you get used to the extra stops of shadow/highlight detail from the Sony, it's very hard to give up. From your tests between the 5Dsr and the Phase, I'm guessing that the dynamic range is about the same between the two?
    The RAW files from 5Dsr are already available and they confirm that Canon's "patented issues" are still there and limit the DR below ISO 800. Pushing shadows bring up column noise that is caused off-sensor ADCs and analog and more simple dark current subtraction etc. So if there is any DR improvement it is gonna be rather marginal and Canon is still likely to be a few stops behind on what can be achieved by cameras with Sony Exmor sensor.

    Pretty easy to see for example here by selecting Nikon D810 or Sony A7R to comparison with 5Ds and check ISO100 + 6 (or ISO200 +5) stop push examples behind link below

    Canon EOS 5DS / 5DS R First Impressions Review: Digital Photography Review
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    I'm betting that Sony does not want to be "upstaged" by the new Leica on 6/11.
    So we'll have to wait till later in the Month for any Sony announcements.

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    The A7R II is gonna be exciting, but... the new Batis lenses I feel are much more so. After all, you need the lenses to realise the sensor's potential and we are finally getting there. In the meantime, the original A7R still punches out phenomenal images.

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    That raises the expectation on the Batii even more. I do not think that is fair. It would be interesting to see how many samples you would go through before finding that "gem".

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    I'm betting that Sony does not want to be "upstaged" by the new Leica on 6/11.
    So we'll have to wait till later in the Month for any Sony announcements.
    Since when Leica is a competition to Sony?

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    These are Zeiss, not Sony 'Zeiss', so I'd expect it to be the same experience as with my Zeiss ZM lenses, of which I have four. All were fine right off the bat. I have only returned two Canon lenses in 14 years, one with severe decentering after massive damage to the box during delivery and another that did not focus (so not an optical issue per se). I have only returned one Leica lens out of over a dozen, due to the cam not being in the same galaxy as reality (it was about 1m out at 5m and ONLY focused perfectly at minimum distance). I have a number of imperfect lenses that I am very happy with. The issue is that Sony Zeiss QC is the worst I have ever experienced since I took up photography. QC of 20-30 year old second-hand ebay bought Canon FD and FDn lenses was worlds better (100% fine).

    The Batis lenses are not going to be a replay of the 35mm FE Sonnar, otherwise Zeiss will be committing suicide and seeing as it's their baby, I don't see that happening. Damage has been done to the brand and I suspect the Batis lenses may even be priced in order to rectify that.

    On the subject of earlier comments of the 5DS having amazing performance and resolution, not to mention DR, I suspect that with most wide angles we will see the shortcomings in the outer field and the 11.7-12 stops dynamic range seems to be a fact even Canon is open about. For portrait photo shoots, with modest wides, but most often standard and tele lenses, the 5DS will invariably look good as these lenses are the most even performers out there. Then there is the controlled lighting. Shoot landscapes and bed the files around and I think the sensor will show its lineage. Of course I could be completely wrong, but the numbers don't lie when it comes to DR. The 11-24 is the wild card and it may be that this lens really can make 50MP shine in the corners, but that remains to be seen. Landscapes under backlighting, with deep shadow and important corner performance is where weaknesses will show with the 5DS.

    Based on what we know (and what Canon has said), I think its fair to say that any forthcoming 50MP Sony sensor is likely to be in another league compared to the 5DS. Personally, I would take a 36MP 14 stop banding free Sony sensor over a 50 MP 12 stop Canon one (with propensity for pattern noise) any time. That's personal, but I've owned Canon for years and also own the A7 and A7R, not to mention the Pentax 645Z and Ricoh GR. If truth be told, the GR's APS-C sensor runs rings around the current Canon sensors for DR and lack of pattern noise. I can see the 5DS being a huge hit with fashion and studio photographers, however and rightly so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    That raises the expectation on the Batii even more. I do not think that is fair. It would be interesting to see how many samples you would go through before finding that "gem".

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    Quote Originally Posted by turtle View Post
    The Batis lenses are not going to be a replay of the 35mm FE Sonnar, otherwise Zeiss will be committing suicide and seeing as it's their baby, I don't see that happening. Damage has been done to the brand and I suspect the Batis lenses may even be priced in order to rectify that.
    Just reiterates what I said. More pressure on whomever designed/made it based on that blue label and the price tag.

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    I'm betting that Sony does not want to be "upstaged" by the new Leica on 6/11.
    So we'll have to wait till later in the Month for any Sony announcements.
    I'm betting Sony really doesn't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    I'm betting Sony really doesn't care.
    I'm betting you're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    I'm betting you're wrong.
    Traditionally, Sony haven't cared much about what the competition has been doing. That attitude has given us good product like the Walkman, the RX1 and the A7, but it has also given us the Elcaset, the Minidisc and the Memory Stick.

    No, I don't think they care much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Traditionally, Sony haven't cared much about what the competition has been doing. That attitude has given us good product like the Walkman, the RX1 and the A7, but it has also given us the Elcaset, the Minidisc and the Memory Stick.

    No, I don't think they care much.
    It seems common sense to me that they will want to maximize their publicity.
    Why share the spotlight w Leica is all I'm saying ?

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    Leica is in a much higher marketing group, Sony is in its own niche market. Mirrorless is there game at a much lower price point. I honestly don't think they care much outside there own product line. To me Fuji, Olympus and Panasonic is more there mirrorless gauge to go by but they are pushing Full Frame that's there edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    I'm betting that Sony does not want to be "upstaged" by the new Leica on 6/11.......
    Something happening on the 6th. of November?

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    I think he meant 11th June. Just put the numbers upside down.

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris C View Post
    Something happening on the 6th. of November?

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    Leica will be out w their new camera on the 11th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    Leica will be out w their new camera on the 11th.
    You mean this one?

    http://www.cameraegg.org/leica-q-typ...d-image-specs/
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    Yup.
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    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300097178.html

    42MP, available in August. Pre-orders on BH from June 17 .. .
    $3198.00

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    Im in. Trying to find more details but looks damn impressive already.
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    RX100 iv and RX10ii press release here:
    Sony's RX100 IV and RX10 II Cameras Bring Professional Imaging Experience to... -- NEW YORK, June 10, 2015 /PRNewswire/ --

    ugh, I think I'm in on both the a7rii and possibly the rx100 iv. Long-time Canon shooter. . . . I now have the a7s, 35mm 1.4, and 55. Am about to try personal travel without any Canon gear for the first time-- just with the a7s, two lenses and a Ricoh GR. Have been waiting to see the new a7rii and that may push me more in the Sony direction.

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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    The RX10ii and the RX100 iv are also packing brand new sensor technologies with amazing possibilities.

    This is simply unbelievable!

    Sony starting to live up to its potential being the largest sensor maker and all. Awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I'll just be happy with the higher resolution sensor in an A7II form factor. I'll be pisssed though if they change the grip and body dimensions again as the cost of new RRS plates get expensive!

    IBIS is nice but since I mostly shoot from a tripod anyway less relevant to me personally, especially since the A7II/A7S are my travel cameras. (Ok, I admit that I'd end up using an A7rII a lot if it's as good as the A7II). The electronic shutter though would be very welcome.
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    Just sold my backup DMR. About to click 'Buy' on a7II, and this comes along….

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    Quote Originally Posted by doug View Post
    Just sold my backup DMR. About to click 'Buy' on a7II, and this comes along….
    Just in time ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan Stephens View Post
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    With the gear you have, are you really complaining about the cost of an RRS plate????
    It's the same body as the A7II. I need a L bracket too now been holding off to see what happens. I have the vertical grip already
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    Re: Upcoming A7rII

    Haven't the time to wade throughout all the posts on this …

    Did they fix the lag?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The RX10ii and the RX100 iv are also packing brand new sensor technologies with amazing possibilities.

    This is simply unbelievable!

    Sony starting to live up to its potential being the largest sensor maker and all. Awesome!
    Agree, it seems 4k will be the new standard for video capture too. Good move forward Sony.

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