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- Thread starter The Ute
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Exactly why I am not at all excited by the Cano 5dR.
Stefan Steib
Active member
I have been co-shooting the 5Dsr for a day for a fashiontest for "digit!" Magazine last week in cologne.
As a comparison we had an IQ250 with an 80mm LS lens on a DF+. And I have to say when we were looking through the footage, there was nearly no difference between the Canon and the Phase. Not on sharpness nor on colors or DR. In fact we did mix up the results several times and had to look at the file name at comparison.
Canon plays this very cool right now, but expect the camera to be a huge success.
And it already is. The preorders are legion.....
Greetings from Germany
Stefan
As a comparison we had an IQ250 with an 80mm LS lens on a DF+. And I have to say when we were looking through the footage, there was nearly no difference between the Canon and the Phase. Not on sharpness nor on colors or DR. In fact we did mix up the results several times and had to look at the file name at comparison.
Canon plays this very cool right now, but expect the camera to be a huge success.
And it already is. The preorders are legion.....
Greetings from Germany
Stefan
The Ute
Well-known member
And so I've learned.
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Vivek
Guest
What is the rush? We have a set of slow zooms, a few humongous (current and upcoming) primes. A set of 4 FF NEX'. One more would not do much.This whole A7r replacement thing is really dragging out.
The Ute
Well-known member
What is the rush? We have a set of slow zooms, a few humongous (current and upcoming) primes. A set of 4 FF NEX'. One more would not do much.[/QU
What else, I'm impatient.
Seriously ? I want those extra MP's packaged into an IBIS body.
The A7II I have on loan is not cutting it for my needs.
Can you kindly explain what about the A7II does not work for your needs? TIAWhat is the rush? We have a set of slow zooms, a few humongous (current and upcoming) primes. A set of 4 FF NEX'. One more would not do much.[/QU
What else, I'm impatient.
Seriously ? I want those extra MP's packaged into an IBIS body.
The A7II I have on loan is not cutting it for my needs.
The Ute
Well-known member
With respect to optical stabilization vs. IBIS, optical requires movement of lens groups. This makes optical quality optimization much more difficult; the faster the lens and the shorter the focal length, the greater the problems. IBIS is free of those problems. Its main problem is keeping the image plane exactly perpendicular to the lens axis, and that is a much easier problem to deal with.
BTW, if the new Sony could have the shutter options (electronic first curtain or both, with or without settable delays) and the IBIS of the new Olympus EM-5 vII, I would be ecstatic. That camera sets the standard. Unfortunately, good as it is, the IBIS in the A7II isn't quite of that caliber.
BTW, if the new Sony could have the shutter options (electronic first curtain or both, with or without settable delays) and the IBIS of the new Olympus EM-5 vII, I would be ecstatic. That camera sets the standard. Unfortunately, good as it is, the IBIS in the A7II isn't quite of that caliber.
GrahamWelland
Subscriber & Workshop Member
I'll just be happy with the higher resolution sensor in an A7II form factor. I'll be pisssed though if they change the grip and body dimensions again as the cost of new RRS plates get expensive!
IBIS is nice but since I mostly shoot from a tripod anyway less relevant to me personally, especially since the A7II/A7S are my travel cameras. (Ok, I admit that I'd end up using an A7rII a lot if it's as good as the A7II). The electronic shutter though would be very welcome.
IBIS is nice but since I mostly shoot from a tripod anyway less relevant to me personally, especially since the A7II/A7S are my travel cameras. (Ok, I admit that I'd end up using an A7rII a lot if it's as good as the A7II). The electronic shutter though would be very welcome.
ShooterSteve
New member
I certainly think the 5Dsr is going to be a winner for Canon but for me, unless the dynamic range is on par with Sony/Nikon - I'm still going to need my Sony for architectural work. Once you get used to the extra stops of shadow/highlight detail from the Sony, it's very hard to give up. From your tests between the 5Dsr and the Phase, I'm guessing that the dynamic range is about the same between the two?
The Ute
Well-known member
The RAW files from 5Dsr are already available and they confirm that Canon's "patented issues" are still there and limit the DR below ISO 800. Pushing shadows bring up column noise that is caused off-sensor ADCs and analog and more simple dark current subtraction etc. So if there is any DR improvement it is gonna be rather marginal and Canon is still likely to be a few stops behind on what can be achieved by cameras with Sony Exmor sensor.
Pretty easy to see for example here by selecting Nikon D810 or Sony A7R to comparison with 5Ds and check ISO100 + 6 (or ISO200 +5) stop push examples behind link below
Canon EOS 5DS / 5DS R First Impressions Review: Digital Photography Review
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Vivek
Guest
That raises the expectation on the Batii even more. I do not think that is fair. It would be interesting to see how many samples you would go through before finding that "gem".
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Vivek
Guest
Since when Leica is a competition to Sony?