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    Finally getting around to editing a few forgotten pics from March...

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    Still looking for the best monochrome workflow. I started seeing demosaicing artifacts (patchy window screen like patterns) when going from AccuRaw to LR. Now playing with RawTherapee (intimidating interface) and seem to get smoother results without artifacts. Sample image below.

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    Re: The Definitive Sony B&W Images Thread

    Carl, the window like artifacts show up in LR when the image extremes (blacks/whites) are pushed. It happens with Leica MM files as well. I now have PS CS6 and ACR with a preset in camera WB yields desirable results. Rawtherapee is also good but if you take the tiffs to LR, the artifacts can happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Still looking for the best monochrome workflow. I started seeing demosaicing artifacts (patchy window screen like patterns) when going from AccuRaw to LR. Now playing with RawTherapee (intimidating interface) and seem to get smoother results without artifacts. Sample image below.

    I like Photoshop, Capture One, and Iridient Developer for B&W conversions better than LR for more extensive editing. That's not to say LR is bad (because it's great with plug-ins) but I find that some other applications allow the image to hold up quite a bit better to manipulation.
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    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    I like Photoshop, Capture One, and Iridient Developer for B&W conversions better than LR for more extensive editing. That's not to say LR is bad (because it's great with plug-ins) but I find that some other applications allow the image to hold up quite a bit better to manipulation.
    Tre, I agree that some apps are better than lightroom when you need to push things around. In this case I am dealing with basically, pure luminosity greyscale images OOC with no color information so color conversion to greyscale is not an issue. The problem is more how to avoid demosaicing artifacts from software that thinks you are using full color images from a bayer sensor. AccuRaw Monochrome should (and to some extent does) handle this issue perfectly, as long as you don't move the image to another processing environment (eg. Lightroom) that is totally ignorant when it comes to dealing with pure, monochromatic images. I'm finding work arounds, but it would be nice if mainstream image processing apps (Adobe) would develop the capability to work in greyscale as well as color from raw files.
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    A few snaps taken today with the A6000M and 50/1.5 CZ C-Sonnar. We have been stuck in a tropical air mass for several days with frequent, heavy rain and high humidity.







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    Nice and sunny here!

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    very nice! great processing idea for that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seb View Post
    very nice! great processing idea for that one.
    +1 almost like a sketch or drawing
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    Thank you, Seb and Bart.

    With, of course, Nik Silver Efex.

    Some adjustments then add red filter, then slide red and yellow channels way to the left.

    Tone and vignette etc.

    Should have cropped a bit from rhs and straightened a bit.

    Shot at noon with bright blue sky.

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    blooker corner ...

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    blooker corner ...

    What happened to the back half of the vehicle? Must have been a terrible accident!
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    That is an electric car for the disabled. Tiny by design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    That is an electric car for the disabled. Tiny by design.
    Hate having my jokes disarmed!
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    We live in different realities.

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    The broadleaf garden plants are being ravaged by beetles. A6000M + 4/18-105

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    That is an electric car for the disabled. Tiny by design.
    I'd say a car 'disabled by design' ...
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    VANMOOF it not ...

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    Most of the year, Enfield gorge offers solitude and only the calming sound of running water breaks the silence. However, in July and August the stream is dammed at the bottom of the gorge to create a swimming pool below the lower waterfall. Boisterous tourists and summer campers flock to this cool oasis and the place is transformed overnight.

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    I haven't done much photography (or anything else, for that matter) over the past few weeks because of the heat wave we were experiencing here in Arizona. Unfortunately, the high ambient temps -- even late at night -- cause my A7R to generate so much thermal noise that the files it captures are basically useless to me. And although the heat finally broke somewhat last week, the monsoon season has also started and we have had rain almost every night for the past week, which has further served to keep me indoors.

    I woke up early this morning, however, and noticed the outside temp was in the low 80s and the pavement was dry, so I headed out with my dog in tow at 4:00 am to take some photos to test the latest modification I've made to my current "FrankenKamera" project. Although this was intended only as a test photo, I like it well enough that I decided to post it here:



    Cambo WDS / A7R / Sigma 35/f1.4 and .34 degrees of downward tilt at the lens
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    Another from Toytown.
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    Here's another early morning test photo, this one taken of my next door neighbors' houses with my camera setup in my driveway:



    I was testing my latest modification to my present camera project (the curious among you can see it here: http://www.canyonero.com/files/1499805687.jpg) wherein I am adding a fixed amount of front tilt to allow me to achieve slightly more DoF without stopping-down the aperture, so as keep my exposure lengths as short as possible while using the A7R's base ISO setting to achieve maximum image quality. (Yes, I know that astrophotographers, who also take long-exposure photos at night, prefer to use much higher ISO settings than that when using their A7R bodies, but my testing has shown that, for my purposes, ISO 100 is clearly the way to go.)

    The result of this is that I was able to keep the gravel at the very bottom of the frame sharply focused simultaneously with the roof tiles at the very top of the frame. This isn't possible using just DoF alone, by stopping down as far as I can while still maintaining an exposure length of 30 seconds or less (which is the upper limit for the A7R, beyond which its firmware automatically drops one bit's worth of exposure range from its files, and thereby significantly reduces my ability to recover detail from the shadow areas during post-processing.) Unfortunately, the A7R is a less than ideal camera for the type of photography I do. However, it's also the best camera available to me and surprisingly, I find it to be a better performer overall -- for my purposes, as YMMV! -- than the A7RII that replaced it. I would love to get my hands on a QHY367 astrophotography camera to compare to my A7R -- they share the same sensor, but have different firmware, so no issues with changing the file's bit depth for exposures longer than 30 seconds, plus, it actively cools the sensor to reduce thermal noise, a feature that will come in very handy here in the Arizona desert, especially during our five months of summer, where the ambient temp when I'm photographing late at night is often higher than 100 degrees -- but I haven't been able to find anywhere I can rent one to test and at $4,395 MSRP, I can't afford to gamble and buy one just to satisfy my curiosity. <sigh>

    Although I also own a Cambo Actus, which incorporates a front-tilt feature directly from the factory, I've found that keeping the plane of focus otherwise perfectly aligned with the sensor is difficult in the field, especially since I carry the camera around mounted on my tripod, which in turn is slung over my shoulder and bounces around a lot. I already had the Cambo WDS body on hand, leftover from my film days, so I thought I'd modify it a bit and see how well it fares for my purposes.

    While the modified Cambo WDS does indeed work well, it turns out the amount of front tilt I can apply as a default (i.e., for every photo I take with it) isn't very large. So I've been experimenting with using different amounts of tilt to photograph a variety of typical scenes and it appears that using .024" shims (which in turn provide a fixed .34 degrees of tilt) is roughly the upper limit. Any more than that and I risk the roofs of houses or tops of trees going soft in some situations; any less than that and there is no benefit. And even with .34 degrees of tilt, the benefits are still fairly small -- it appears I gain only 1/3 to 1/2 of a stop's worth of additional DoF -- but helpful nonetheless.

    We shall see...
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    Construction


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    So I finally performed a proper field trial with my latest camera project last night and as expected, everything worked fine!



    Of course, there are a few minor things that I'll likely tweak going forward, but it's fully functional as it exists right now.

    Also, while the fixed amount of front tile that I've applied is fairly small, it really is proving to be helpful, as this photo proves. Look closely and you'll see that everything from the concrete at the bottom of the frame to the fence far in the distance at the right of the frame is sharply in focus. I can easily read the writing on the garage door if I zoom in on the full-size, 16-bit .TIF file in Photoshop.
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    July has been very wet and with un-settled weather. Lake is again about to flood at the south end with record high water level for this time of year. Looking north from south end of Cayuga Lake. A6000M 16-50 + B+W Orange filter.

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    Siena, 2013.
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    A few floral shots taken today with the A6000M + 4/18-105 at the Cornell arboretum ponds.





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    Under the Roman Ampitheatre, Arles.
    Terrific; and a very good place to be now...
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    former pump station ... other view

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    Terrific; and a very good place to be now...
    Thank you. Actually this was taken when I was in Arles in October 2015, so sadly I'm not there for the Rencontres d'Arles photo festival.
    Arles is a wonderful place to visit at any time
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    A silver, Chevy coupe parked at the marina. A6000M + 16-50



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    Osprey nest. One of the parents had just dropped off what looked like a rat and then headed out over the lake to look for fish. A6000M + 16-50

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    Four from Sunday night's outing:









    A7R / (modified) Cambo WDS / Sigma 35/f1.4, plus a small amount of front downward tilt

    I don't usually "work" a scene, but take a photo of whatever it was that initially caught my eye. This time, however, I couldn't decide which of the scenes-within-a-scene I liked best, so I photographed them all!
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    I don't usually "work" a scene …
    I think I do a mix of the two; if a strong picture presents itself, I often shoot just one or two frames—this works most of the time. If I encounter something that simply catches my eye, I will work the scene harder, using change of distance, focal length, and angles; it is my strong opinion that zoom lenses have made too many photographers lazy—they stand in one place, and zoom in or out to make an in-camera crop, not considering the effect of perspective in the slightest.

    Twenty years ago I taught some multimedia subjects at tertiary level, and created a student assignment where perspective was the very point. [pun] Students were required to photograph a person—or object (a rubbish bin?)—so that the subject was about the same height in each frame at a number of focal lengths, achieved by moving towards and away from the subject. Affordable digital was a contradiction in terms, but we had a class camera with a reasonable zoom range.

    I had all single-focal-length lenses (24, 35, 50) for my Sony a7, but acquired a Rokkor 35–70 (also badge-engineered for Leica) recently, but tend to zoom lenses for μ43.

    I must start making tripod-bound night shots around my suburb, but that will have to wait until Spring!

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    I think I do a mix of the two; if a strong picture presents itself, I often shoot just one or two frames—this works most of the time. If I encounter something that simply catches my eye, I will work the scene harder, using change of distance, focal length, and angles; it is my strong opinion that zoom lenses have made too many photographers lazy—they stand in one place, and zoom in or out to make an in-camera crop, not considering the effect of perspective in the slightest.
    By and large, I treat zoom lenses as adjustable primes; i.e., I pick the focal length I want and then adjust the camera's position accordingly. Which isn't to say that I won't slightly tweak the focal length to perfect a composition, of course, but I am much more likely to pickup the tripod and move it around than I am to change the focal length setting of the lens.

    I must start making tripod-bound night shots around my suburb, but that will have to wait until Spring!
    Hey, if I can successfully photograph during the three-figure heat of an Arizona summer night, then surely can you successfully photograph during the cold of an Australian one?!

    Besides which, you have more dark available at this time of year than I do! If anything, I'm actually looking forward to the return of winter weather here.

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    Re: The Definitive Sony B&W Images Thread

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    A silver, Chevy coupe parked at the marina. A6000M + 16-50



    I rarely comment on the photos posted here, because I'm largely an intuitive photographer. I do what I do because the results somehow look correct to me, not because I have any great understanding about composition, artistic technique, etc. (That said, I am very well versed in technical matters, for better and worse!)

    Which, unfortunately, means I rarely have anything more offer than "that's cool!" or "I like it!"

    But I've noticed that, more often than not, the tonality of the photos you post here attracts my attention ... and I mean that in a good way! The two above are particularly good examples.

    I long ago took to rolling my own B&W conversions because I wasn't happy with the results I achieved with any of the pre-packaged software solutions available, so I'm curious as to how you're doing yours, since they are very much to my taste.

    Inquiring minds need to know!

    JG
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    Re: The Definitive Sony B&W Images Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Audii-Dudii View Post
    I rarely comment on the photos posted here, because I'm largely an intuitive photographer. I do what I do because the results somehow look correct to me, not because I have any great understanding about composition, artistic technique, etc. (That said, I am very well versed in technical matters, for better and worse!)

    Which, unfortunately, means I rarely have anything more offer than "that's cool!" or "I like it!"

    But I've noticed that, more often than not, the tonality of the photos you post here attracts my attention ... and I mean that in a good way! The two above are particularly good examples.

    I long ago took to rolling my own B&W conversions because I wasn't happy with the results I achieved with any of the pre-packaged software solutions available, so I'm curious as to how you're doing yours, since they are very much to my taste.

    Inquiring minds need to know!

    JG
    Hi JG,

    The raw images from the A6000M were simply imported directly into LR CC with a preset applied during import. Simply sets camera profile to Adobe Camera Neutral, clarity+20, Vibrance and Saturation both to -100, Sharpening amount 60, radius 0.5, detail 70, masking 20, minor exposure adjustments as needed. I tried AccuRaw monochrome initially, but ran into some artifact problems so opted for this simple processing routine instead. Vivek suggested the vibrance/saturation settings based on his experience with the Nex 5N-M.
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