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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Agree no question. I wonder if the filter stack has changed also though. It may solve some of the issues. I don't any Leica glass so not a big concern for me although I would love a Leica M 18mm
    Will test my ZM 15 on this body when I have my paws on it. Diverting fund from the Q to this baby. Are you going to pre-order this one Guy? What about the A9 ? I guess we have to live in the here and now.

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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Im ordering this one. It hits all my check marks. I was happy with the A7r but this fixes all the issues and than some. Im awesome with that. I have the Vertical grip already.
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    Guy - closer to MF ? I can only guess this sensor will surpass the 15 stops easily, will reach ISO´s you have never dreamed of on MF and that 5x a second.......

    Take that old dried tear and wipe it off. Here comes the future !
    Your probably right too. LOL
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    I didn't see anything related to uncompressed RAWs, I wonder if there's anything different there. Not a big deal for me, but I know some folks had issues with it the A7 series RAWs.
    I saw 14 bit but nothing about how its done
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiepphotog View Post
    Will test my ZM 15 on this body when I have my paws on it. Diverting fund from the Q to this baby. Are you going to pre-order this one Guy? What about the A9 ? I guess we have to live in the here and now.
    Imagine that happiness your financial planner will feel when you save $1000 by choosing the Sony over the Leica.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Agree no question. I wonder if the filter stack has changed also though. It may solve some of the issues. I don't any Leica glass so not a big concern for me although I would love a Leica M 18mm
    Well, I am sure my WATE 16-18-21/4 will excel on this camera!
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Well I know what this really means. The best deals are going to start next week in the GetDPI buy/sell forum as Guy starts selling off his like new gear stash to fund the new Sony A7rII....


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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    How come the A7R II doesn't have a roman numeral II in the logo on the camera?
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Imagine that happiness your financial planner will feel when you save $1000 by choosing the Sony over the Leica.
    No way . Spouses don't understand those facts. ROTFLMAO
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Well I know what this really means. The best deals are going to start next week in the GetDPI buy/sell forum as Guy starts selling off his like new gear stash to fund the new Sony A7rII....

    Actually this maybe perfect timing my big gig is over and my smugmug money rolls in the beginning of August. My sales maybe very small. If been waiting for this one.
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Well, I am sure my WATE 16-18-21/4 will excel on this camera!
    That lens is not to be spoken about around me. I want one. LOL

    Its going to scream on this body
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Just wow.

    I can hardly wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    That lens is not to be spoken about around me. I want one. LOL

    Its going to scream on this body

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    You are too funny!
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Well, if the A9 is a step up from the A7R II I would have to get that too!
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Other bonuses for those that care - Flash sync is 1/250 instead of 1/160 like on the A7RmkI and you are able to bracket with up to 9 shots now.
    That is only with the Sony system flashes. With a single point contact, it will be ~1/200s tops. Still better than before.

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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    I didn't see anything related to uncompressed RAWs, I wonder if there's anything different there. Not a big deal for me, but I know some folks had issues with it the A7 series RAWs.
    Yeah, no word on that?

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    Fantastic specification. Really amazing. Nothing like pi$$ing all over Leica's party.

    Is it me or does the new A7RII actually combine the A7R and A7S. I mean, why would you own both bodies? I'm thinking of the claimed hi-iso settings and the benefits of IBIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Fantastic specification. Really amazing. Nothing like pi$$ing all over Leica's party.

    Is it me or does the new A7RII actually combine the A7R and A7S. I mean, why would you own both bodies? I'm thinking of the claimed hi-iso settings and the benefits of IBIS.

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    I agree with you. The back-illuminated CMOS sensor seems to make that possible, doesn't it?
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Fantastic specification. Really amazing. Nothing like pi$$ing all over Leica's party.

    Is it me or does the new A7RII actually combine the A7R and A7S. I mean, why would you own both bodies? I'm thinking of the claimed hi-iso settings and the benefits of IBIS.

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    I'd imagine that the A7RII is only truly usable for max resolution prints up to somewhere between 12800-25600... You can still get great (albeit smaller) prints from a A7S at ISO 51200+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    That is only with the Sony system flashes. With a single point contact, it will be ~1/200s tops. Still better than before.
    I haven't experienced any issues with the Nissin i40 or the PCB Einstein personally but I don't use them too often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I'd imagine that the A7RII is only truly usable for max resolution prints up to somewhere between 12800-25600... You can still get great (albeit smaller) prints from a A7S at ISO 51200+.
    You can do the same with A7R II images, no?
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    Looks like when funds allow, this will be added to my kit and then the current a7R goes in for a full spectrum upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    You can do the same with A7R II images, no?
    Nah... I really only go above ISO3200 for B&W pictures personally... Color is usually fine below or a little bit above that for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    How come the A7R II doesn't have a roman numeral II in the logo on the camera?
    It's on the back in the top left corner.
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    No way . Spouses don't understand those facts. ROTFLMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Nah... I really only go above ISO3200 for B&W pictures personally... Color is usually fine below or a little bit above that for me.
    Are you referring to the A7R or A7R II?
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Have others seen this line in the A7R2 announcement?

    "By early 2016, Sony will add an additional 8 new lenses to its FE full frame lineup, bringing the FE total to 20 lenses and the overall α -mount assortment to 70 different models."
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Are you referring to the A7R or A7R II?
    A7R... I assume the A7RII will be fine up to somewhere between ISO12800 and 25600.
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    In terms of set up, people have wondered: why have an A7s? Well, imagine a backlit A7s sensor with the Mark II body specs? We know that's next. I would suspect high ISO's in the 1,000,000 range (imagine that headline)....

    Then we'll all be wanting an A7RII/A7SII combo to cover every shooting situation....For 99%, this is all that anyone could ever want or need, other than a complementary set of smaller lenses to go with that kit.....
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    Have others seen this line in the A7R2 announcement?

    "By early 2016, Sony will add an additional 8 new lenses to its FE full frame lineup, bringing the FE total to 20 lenses and the overall α -mount assortment to 70 different models."
    I did not but maybe there's an updated roadmap floating around somewhere.
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Dang, what a day for the camera industry?!?

    Like Ric Flair, I am saying "Woooooooo"!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    In terms of set up, people have wondered: why have an A7s? Well, imagine a backlit A7s sensor with the Mark II body specs? We know that's next. I would suspect high ISO's in the 1,000,000 range (imagine that headline)....

    Then we'll all be wanting an A7RII/A7SII combo to cover every shooting situation....For 99%, this is all that anyone could ever want or need, other than a complementary set of smaller lenses to go with that kit.....
    Hopefully a slight bump in resolution as well to something in the 16-20MP range... If so they can just kill the base model IMO.
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    In terms of set up, people have wondered: why have an A7s? Well, imagine a backlit A7s sensor with the Mark II body specs? We know that's next. I would suspect high ISO's in the 1,000,000 range (imagine that headline)....

    Then we'll all be wanting an A7RII/A7SII combo to cover every shooting situation....For 99%, this is all that anyone could ever want or need, other than a complementary set of smaller lenses to go with that kit.....
    My thoughts exactly, combined with even more resolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan Stephens View Post
    Looks like when funds allow, this will be added to my kit and then the current a7R goes in for a full spectrum upgrade.
    That is exactly what I'm planning to do. Meanwhile I've sold my A7II and Olympus kit. Working now with the A7R as my main cam and a newly acquired RX1R as a travel cam.
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    what's gonna happen to all those last year's models? and should we expect to dump and upgrade yearly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    In terms of set up, people have wondered: why have an A7s? Well, imagine a backlit A7s sensor with the Mark II body specs? We know that's next. I would suspect high ISO's in the 1,000,000 range (imagine that headline)....

    Then we'll all be wanting an A7RII/A7SII combo to cover every shooting situation....For 99%, this is all that anyone could ever want or need, other than a complementary set of smaller lenses to go with that kit.....
    LOL, you might see a whole 2MM (million) if they keep the same 12MP, considering this Mark 2 is 2 whole stops better. And yes, the A7RII/A7SII combo... I don't imagine I would upgrade for a while.

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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    I didn't see anything related to uncompressed RAWs, I wonder if there's anything different there. Not a big deal for me, but I know some folks had issues with it the A7 series RAWs.
    Graham, the spec says "14-bit RAW (Sony ARW 2.3 format)", whatever the heck that means. We won't know whether there's any "secret sauce" baked into those RAW files until testers begin their evaluation of production cameras in August.

    Personally, this camera has ticked enough boxes for me to hit the pre-order button (next week). I have two a7R bodies, one of which has been converted to IR, and love the camera. But the unconverted body will soon appear on the "Gear FS or WTB" forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    what's gonna happen to all those last year's models? and should we expect to dump and upgrade yearly?
    Give it to your significant other(s) . I would pass my A7s down to my kid, given it's still functioning.

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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    what's gonna happen to all those last year's models? and should we expect to dump and upgrade yearly?
    I have a collection. One can only have so many IR, UV, Monochrome , etc converted bodies. I came up with a couple of specific applications just the other day. Normally, it would have been a luxury but in this case, puts them to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Agree no question. I wonder if the filter stack has changed also though. It may solve some of the issues. I don't any Leica glass so not a big concern for me although I would love a Leica M 18mm
    Seeing as the pixel wells aren't nearly as deep down anymore, the microlenses are obviously going to have to be of a different shape too, but it's anyone's guess until someone with M glass gets their hands on this camera.

    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    I didn't see anything related to uncompressed RAWs, I wonder if there's anything different there. Not a big deal for me, but I know some folks had issues with it the A7 series RAWs.
    A roughly ~8000x5300 file is listed as using 42MB, so there's definitely compression going on, as Pentax 645D images weighed in around 50MB+ of data.

    Compression seems to be Sony's weak point right now, the internal 4K is rated at 100mbps, which is a broadcast quality bitrate... for full HD. 4K needs at least 300~400mbps to be considered "master" quality, like 100mbps is for 1080p.

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    This is great news to wake up to. Have already got my name on the list at my local store. Sold some MF film gear so funds are already available, roll on August.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hcubell View Post
    Get it in writing with clear parameters!
    She bought me the 25/85 Batis for our Anniversary and my birthday since they should be released around that time frame. They're aleady paid for and I didn't even ask... Proof enough!?!
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Graham, the spec says "14-bit RAW (Sony ARW 2.3 format)", whatever the heck that means. We won't know whether there's any "secret sauce" baked into those RAW files until testers begin their evaluation of production cameras in August.
    That RAW spec is 100% same as in current A7-series so based on that no lossless available in A7R II. I forgive them, this camera addresses almost everything I wanted improved in my A7R and adds a ton on top of that.

    Already ordered LA-EA3, A7 II compliant L-Plate (same body as the the same battery grip fits) etc.
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

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    Graham, the spec says "14-bit RAW (Sony ARW 2.3 format)", whatever the heck that means. We won't know whether there's any "secret sauce" baked into those RAW files until testers begin their evaluation of production cameras in August.

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    Hmm, I see that now. With some googling, it looks like the current Sony A7 series also specifies the 14-bit ARW 2.3 format. I might have expected the version number to change if there was any update, but like you said--who knows until people start testing it upon release.

    Actually, that made me think about how Sony has added e-shutter to this high MP model--I'm guessing it reduces the bit depth in order to read the sensor fast enough (kind of like continuous shooting does now).

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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Whoa! It apparently focuses Canon lenses pretty fast too!

    DPR staff comments

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    "One of the most impressive features of the a7R II is its autofocus system. 399 phase-detection AF points cover 45% of the frame, which means over 60% coverage in either horizontal or vertical directions in the frame. That gives it more coverage than any full-frame camera out there. PDAF will work even with third-party lenses via existing adapters, including in continuous AF tracking mode. This is potentially a huge deal - especially for Canon users. We've used an a7R II with a Canon 24-70mm lens and a Metabones adapter, and focus is indeed very fast indeed. We'll be looking at this in more depth as soon as we have a production sample camera, but for now, we're highly impressed."
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    A and E mount Too many lenses.
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

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    Whoa! It apparently focuses Canon lenses pretty fast too!

    DPR staff comments

    <snip from the article>
    "One of the most impressive features of the a7R II is its autofocus system. 399 phase-detection AF points cover 45% of the frame, which means over 60% coverage in either horizontal or vertical directions in the frame. That gives it more coverage than any full-frame camera out there. PDAF will work even with third-party lenses via existing adapters, including in continuous AF tracking mode. This is potentially a huge deal - especially for Canon users. We've used an a7R II with a Canon 24-70mm lens and a Metabones adapter, and focus is indeed very fast indeed. We'll be looking at this in more depth as soon as we have a production sample camera, but for now, we're highly impressed."
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    Unintended consequence or a deliberate attempt to cannibalize 5Ds/5DsR sales for those that care about dynamic range above resolution?
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    Re: New Sony A7RII announcement

    Found the spec on low-light focusing on the Sony site:

    A7rII = -2 EV!
    A7r & A7 = 0 EV
    A7II = -1 EV
    A7s = -4 EV

    Good to see it'll be even better than the A7II!
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