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    A7RII game plan

    Well we have till June 17 to order and August 20th to ship to our doors. I thought it would be interesting to see what folks game plan maybe. Are we selling current models for it or not buying it???

    Are we working our lens system around in FE mounts , possible buying more Canon glass. Or staying pat till you see what works or not. In the meantime the 2 Batis lenses will come on the market what are you doing there. Buying, hiding, trading.

    Let's also say for fun if you need two bodies what would be the best combination.

    Are you buying for video or stills.

    Let's hear your thought process on this whole matter . Let's also hear your concerns and exuberance for it or not.

    Make it fun, we have not spent a dime YET. Oh and what bank will you need my rented ski mask for. LOL
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    I'm not 100% sure yet, but I am most likely to wait until an upgraded A7S II comes along. If and when it does, I am likely to buy a twin body set (R&S Mk II) plus the 25 & 85 Batis and possibly the 35mm Distagon, once prices have dipped a little. As part of this, I would sell up my Canon bodies and all my glass except for the 24mm TS-E and one or both f1.2 L lenses.

    For now, I'm very happy with my Mk I bodies, but assuming the AF on the A7R II is as good as hoped, I feel my needs for AF tracking (and therefore Canon) are such that I just don't need DSLRs any more. This is the end of FF DSLR for me and now that I have enjoyed the benefits of Sony sensors (and the Monochrom), there is no way on earth I could ever take my 5D III seriously again for the sort of B&W work I do. I never did like it for that.

    I'm still glad I have the Mk I bodies, because they are smaller and lighter, not to mention way more expendable (their value being such that I won't bother selling them - they will remain v useful). Combined with a 28mm and 55mm, the A7 is still a superb lightweight travel option.

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    Re: A7rIi game plan

    My preorder days are over.

    If some one wants to send me gifts, here is my list:

    1. 2X A7R II (yeah 1 would not cut it).
    2. 1x RX100 iv
    3. Good samples of 25 Batis and may be an 85.
    4. 4K recorder for A7s and another A7s.
    5. Cash to buy accs, extra computers, monitors and such.


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    Re: A7rIi game plan

    Batis lenses are paid for already. I will probably sell some gear (A7 and maybe some other lenses) to fund the A7RII. It's a must buy for me. As for the video... I guess it's nice to have but I never touch the stuff to be honest. I just don't care about video features in reality.

    Actually I wouldn't be upset if they offered a version without the 4K or any video features for $500-1000 less. I realize this will never happen though.
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    "A7rIi game plan" for a moment I thought you might found a source that we can pay for less as a "group buy".
    I'm going keep both a7 & a7ii as back up cameras since aren't worth much to sell.
    Probably stay on the "instant noodle" diet for now until the arrival of a7rii, Batis and the macro

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    Re: A7rIi game plan

    I'm buying , I figured that out in about 5 minutes reading the feature sets. My game plan on how and what goes and stays is a moving target. The 35mm stays for sure. I want the 85 no doubt about it. I do want the 25 but to do that the 16-35 goes and I lose my extreme wide angle. Than if I did that I would want one of several choices Tri-elmar or Leica 18 if it works or go back to the 17mm TSE which I'm leaning towards. The Loxia 50 I love but I'm not the biggest 50mm fan either, so that carries a question mark and so does my Minolta 200mm as I don't think given its a screw drive lens the Lae3 adapter would give me more AF points. This is still unclear to me if it would work. If not than obvious choice would be maybe a Canon 200 2.8 or the 70-200 F4 zoom. I'm undecided here. I'm also undecided on my Sigma 24-70 A mount as I may want to get canons 24-70 2.8 if the metabones works as promised for PR crap. Backup camera might just be a A6000 as it would be emergency mode. The A7II is going on the block for funding reasons. Problem here is needing to raise a lot of cash within this time frame. It's actually a good time because I do a really big gig and I sell a lot of prints
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    Re: A7rIi game plan

    I've just finished building my architecture kit, which will utilize the Arca Universalis (as I've mentioned). I'll pre-order one body right away. If the new grip doesn't interfere too much with the view camera, I'll order a backup body and sell the MK I.

    Glass... did I say I was finished? Hmm...

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    Don't leave that kit out on your car seat. Lol
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    Re: A7rIi game plan

    if you did, it would trigger the seat belt alarm for sure

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    I had the 85mm ZA lens with LEA4 adapter, which was an excellent lens, but found the combo of lens and adapter somewhat bulky on the A7r camera.
    I have now sold the lens and adapter, and ordered the 85mm Batis- seems like a clear winner to me. I just noticed looking at the specs today that the Batis is one-half pound lighter than my previous 85mm ZA (1.0 vs 1.5 lb).
    Nice!!!

    I may forego even getting the lens shade- seems rather bulky, and is a separate order.

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    Lens shade comes with the lens. Look at what's in the box at B&h. I never use OEM lens shades. I buy cheap metal screw in hoods on eBay. The only exception is the Loxia shades which I like
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    Re: A7rIi game plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Well we have till June 17 to order and August 20th to ship to our doors. I thought it would be interesting to see what folks game plan maybe. Are we selling current models for it or not buying it???

    LOL
    Did the August 20th ship date come from Sony?
    Thanks.

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    Guy:
    I'm glad you started this thread. Nice to see what everybody thinks (needs/wants). I think for the time being I'll stand pat with the A7S. The only thing that would sway me is if the AF turned out to be pro-dslr good. But honestly, I'd prefer a 24 mpix daytime camera. So what I'm really looking for is a 24 mpix A7 with D4 focusing. Of course then I'll want that AF in an A7S package too (but I'll settle for 12-16 mpix there).

    Lens-wise, I've got the 35/1.4, 55/1.8, 28/2, 35/2.8 and in a-mount I'm covered for 12-24, 28-75/2.8, 135/1.8, 70/200/2.8 and 200/4 (macro) (and a bunch of other stuff). I'm excited about the Batis 25 and 85. I liked the Loxia but the 35 and 50 are a little redundant. I'm really interested to see what's next on Sony's (and Zeiss's) roadmap. I'd love a rectilinear super wide (12 or 14) but I don't think that gonna be a priority. These are certainly exciting times but I just keep going back to autofocus. Sony will always provide new cameras with amazing sensors and lots of goodies like IBIS. But they really really need to make their AF world-class. That will provide them with market share and the pro-market.
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    Re: A7rIi game plan

    Quote Originally Posted by hcubell View Post
    Did the August 20th ship date come from Sony?
    Thanks.
    It's posted on Adoramas site from what I read
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    It's posted on Adoramas site from what I read
    I am heading to Africa on August 26th and debating what to take. August 20th is cutting it real close, so I may have to make alternative plans.

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    i'm selling all sony gear and going back to leica
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    Guy,

    The feature set looks great. The support.... what support? I've recently posted about my fiasco with "Precision Camera" in attempting to get a dead lens repaired, and others have universally described the same incompetent service.

    I would very much like to order the A7rII, but am hesitating because of serious concerns about service.

    How do you invest in a system that has no factory warranty service?

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    Re: A7rIi game plan

    It's hard to call what I intend to do a "game plan". There's very little "planning" involved. More impulse buying and "If not now, when?" thinking.

    I currently have two a7R bodies, one converted to IR. When the a7RII is in my hands, I'll sell the unconverted body. My subjects are usually landscapes and grandchildren, usually not in the same image.

    For me, video features are nice to have, but rarely used.

    As far as lenses are concerned, I just sold all but one of my FE-mount lenses. I kept the FE 24-70mm because it's the one lens I rely on. I've ruled out adapted lenses, except in the edge case where I'll use a Canon lens. BTW, I don't currently own any of the latter but have "been there, done that". I found that adapted lenses were a pain (for me), but won't rule out using a Canon lens (like the 100-400mm) with the Metabones adapter.

    With the a7RII my lens "candidates" are:
    ● Batis 25mm
    ● Batis 85mm
    ● Sony-Zeiss FE 35mm f/1.4 Distagon
    ● Sony-Zeiss FE 24-70mm (already own)

    I'm hoping (wishing?) for a Zeiss (not Sony or Sony-Zeiss) offering in the >100mm focal length range.

    Full disclosure: My two other systems are a Nikon D810 and a Pentax 645Z, each with a collection of lenses.

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    I will have to just drool over the A7rII for the foreseeable future. Too rich for my blood, unfortunately with other spending priorities at the moment. I will stick with my A7 for the time being. If I can sell it and upgrade to the A7II for $300 net or less, I might consider that for the IBIS/AF/handling improvements.

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    Interesting thread.

    I've already placed an order for the A7RII with my dealer. I am leaving for a tour of Iceland on August 28th and would love to have it with me.

    Going to sell the current A7R shortly.

    I have the 16-35/4, 24-70/4, 35/2.8 and the 55/1.8

    Of these, the performance of the 24-70 is lackluster the others I am quite happy with. Would love to get the Batis 25 for night photography as the 16-35/4 may be too slow (or so I am told). I have used the Nikon 14-24/2.8 with a double adapter on my A7R and the results were great but it was a very fiddly setup, with no idea of the aperture and of course manual focusing.

    There is a real need for a sharp, fast and ultrawide zoom in the Canon/Sony lineup. The new 11-24 from Canon is f4 and despite rave reviews wouldn't work for night imaging.

    The other dilemma I would eventually face then is what about my newly acquired Pentax 645Z? I love the IQ and the MF dynamics of the camera, the lenses are another matter and to get the best is not cheap. Difficult to justify building up both the Sony and the Pentax systems unless I can do away with the Canon bodies.

    The one critical factor in my case would be how good the new A7RII performs with adapted Canon lenses, AF wise. If it does as good as they say it will then it would be a huge relief, for I can slowly transfer some of my work to the Sony.

    Eventually, there will come a day when the Sony systems will be just as good in AF as the Canon/Nikon are today and perhaps with an equally impressive lens selection.

    I believe it is not that far off.

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    Re: A7rIi game plan

    My current Sony line-up is the A7R, 24-70, 35 2.8, 55 1.8, 100-300 Contax.

    I hated that I was thinking of replacing my 100-300 Contax because it was very difficult to get sharp images at the long end.

    Boy am I happy now about IBIS, I can keep my Contax! It's so good and arguably my favorite lens, outside of the Phase 150 D :-).

    So needless to say I'll be getting the A7R2 right away, and as soon as it's in my hands I'll sell the A7R.

    My decision is going to be with the wides, I'm thinking of getting the Batis 25 and replace the 24-70 for the 28-70 for when my Fiance wants to photograph the dog :-). I'm not a big fan of the 16-35, so maybe I'll also consider other brands if the AF will work well.

    I really like the 35 2.8, the compact size for me is a big plus, but if it has too much trouble with the higher resolution then I'll swap it for the 1.4.

    My other decision is going to be evaluating if the Batis 85 will get any real use. Then I'll have to think between that and the 55 1.8.

    I need to keep in mind the Sony is still my secondary camera, as my primary is the DF+/IQ180, so I can't go too crazy. For a while I was thinking if the A7R2 or the A9 was 50+ MP I could let go of the IQ180, but from first impressions it seems as though it will be staying a bit longer. We'll see.
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    I'm definitely not buying now, or this year.

    It is a fantastic camera body and I hope it stimulates a lot of demand from professionals who in turn benefit developments by Sony for the rest of us but I get such good results from the A7R I can't see upgrading yet.

    I will invest in some additional FE glass, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post
    Interesting thread.

    I've already placed an order for the A7RII with my dealer. I am leaving for a tour of Iceland on August 28th and would love to have it with me.

    Going to sell the current A7R shortly.

    I have the 16-35/4, 24-70/4, 35/2.8 and the 55/1.8

    Of these, the performance of the 24-70 is lackluster the others I am quite happy with. Would love to get the Batis 25 for night photography as the 16-35/4 may be too slow (or so I am told). I have used the Nikon 14-24/2.8 with a double adapter on my A7R and the results were great but it was a very fiddly setup, with no idea of the aperture and of course manual focusing.

    There is a real need for a sharp, fast and ultrawide zoom in the Canon/Sony lineup. The new 11-24 from Canon is f4 and despite rave reviews wouldn't work for night imaging.

    The other dilemma I would eventually face then is what about my newly acquired Pentax 645Z? I love the IQ and the MF dynamics of the camera, the lenses are another matter and to get the best is not cheap. Difficult to justify building up both the Sony and the Pentax systems unless I can do away with the Canon bodies.

    The one critical factor in my case would be how good the new A7RII performs with adapted Canon lenses, AF wise. If it does as good as they say it will then it would be a huge relief, for I can slowly transfer some of my work to the Sony.

    Eventually, there will come a day when the Sony systems will be just as good in AF as the Canon/Nikon are today and perhaps with an equally impressive lens selection.

    I believe it is not that far off.

    Pradeep

    That doesn't have to be fiddly if you use the camera light meter to adjust the aperture of a Nikkor G lens. By counting factors of 2 in exposure time changes while adjusting the lens aperture one can get exactly the desired aperture I find.
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    Re: A7rIi game plan

    My current kit, all of about 3 months, is the A7r + 24,45,90 Canon TS-Es. Also I have the Zeiss 15 2.8 for when I want really wide. Have recently sold my 903SWC so the funds await the release of the A7rII. Think I may also sell my RX-1 and keep my A7r.
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    My Samung NX1 has pro level AF when fitted with the latest firmware.

    It also shoots 15fps and a high quality 4K video.

    But the lens selection is lacking.

    I will pre-order the A7Rii and hope for an announcement of a pro level wide angle Samsung lens before I have to actually choose.

    I am considering either the RX100 or RX10 as a backup travel camera as well.

    Each generation of new gear brings me closer to selling my D4, D800 and many lenses as I find Nikon to be approaching irrelevance for my uses.

    BTW, as I sit in the airport I have my NX1, a pair of 'S' lenses and my Nikon 1 AW camera with me. Last year I packed a Sony A7 and the year before that an Olympus EM5 and prior to that a Leica M9.

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    Re: A7rIi game plan

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    That is a Dutch bank! BTW, most of food industry will be out of business in the U.S. if that goes under!

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    I'm gonna wait a few months on the A7RII. Seems like so many new cameras have an unexpected "gotcha" problem or two that nobody figures out until after release. Overheating, shutter issues, cover glass problems, loose dials, viewfinder issues, whatever. I'm tired of being a beta tester for rushed products.

    When I feel more secure about what exactly I'm getting, and when the mania cools off, I'll probably go ahead and buy. I really want what Sony is promising with this body. Probably the A7II will stay with me as a backup/walkaround camera. Meanwhile, I'll be trying to recover financially from Batis and/or 90mm macro purchases....

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    I plan on ordering one at some point and sending my current A7R for IR conversion. It will be awhile though, maybe not until next year. I'll be keeping an eye on reviews and real world experiences 'til then.

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    Re: A7RII game plan

    I plan on waiting on a few reviews but the odds are good I will order.

    I may, or maybe will not, keep my A7II.

    Will keep the 35 2.8, and 55 1.8

    Will order the 85 1.8 and maybe the 25. Will sell my 85 2.8.

    Will keep my Minolta 200 2.8. May sell my other Minolta lenses and look at native alternatives.

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    The A7r2 is a no-brainer but because of its delayed shipping date I might hold off till next spring. Winter months for me means less shooting time. If the job comes up later in the year will definitely buy it then. I'm still concerned that Sony might introduce the A9 so waiting might be beneficial. Hopefully there will be some kind of the price drop in six months.

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    hmm game plan for me is to wait to see some actual reviews for this new a7rii. It is tempting to preorder, and the new features are amazing, but the cost is high, and one really needs to see what it can do before diving in. Also it is not quite the perfect camera, as it may be possible they have not addressed the lossy 14bit RaW issue. I know it seems like a small issue, but it still puts a small con in the myriad of excellent new features.

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    Re: A7RII game plan

    Interesting on SAR the votes are to buy pretty much immediately. But here it seems not the case. I guess its easy in a poll to just hit the radio button but here we explain what we are doing and first it makes it far more interesting but a more accurate count.
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    Re: A7RII game plan

    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    hmm game plan for me is to wait to see some actual reviews for this new a7rii. It is tempting to preorder, and the new features are amazing, but the cost is high, and one really needs to see what it can do before diving in. Also it is not quite the perfect camera, as it may be possible they have not addressed the lossy 14bit RaW issue. I know it seems like a small issue, but it still puts a small con in the myriad of excellent new features.
    Well the A7r had that issue too so its not bugging me as its been reported they are working on a firmware to correct it but also after further reading on my end I have noticed you really need to be pushing the file kind of hard for it to show and I have yet to see it in my work. Not saying its not there but you gotta look for it. Its also a internet blow out issue as its not explained very well to folks.
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    Re: A7RII game plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Interesting on SAR the votes are to buy pretty much immediately. But here it seems not the case. I guess its easy in a poll to just hit the radio button but here we explain what we are doing and first it makes it far more interesting but a more accurate count.
    Plus, the SAR site is likely more visited by Sony enthusiasts, biasing the outcome. The GetDPI site is more eclectic. Just sayin'

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    Agree we are far more serious buyers too. I of course already started knitting my new Ski mask for my banking purposes. I am doing hot red and white this time. Figure I will stand out in the crowd better. ROTFLMAO
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    I'm buying , I figured that out in about 5 minutes reading the feature sets. My game plan on how and what goes and stays is a moving target. The 35mm stays for sure. I want the 85 no doubt about it. I do want the 25 but to do that the 16-35 goes and I lose my extreme wide angle. Than if I did that I would want one of several choices Tri-elmar or Leica 18 if it works or go back to the 17mm TSE which I'm leaning towards. The Loxia 50 I love but I'm not the biggest 50mm fan either, so that carries a question mark and so does my Minolta 200mm as I don't think given its a screw drive lens the Lae3 adapter would give me more AF points. This is still unclear to me if it would work. If not than obvious choice would be maybe a Canon 200 2.8 or the 70-200 F4 zoom. I'm undecided here. I'm also undecided on my Sigma 24-70 A mount as I may want to get canons 24-70 2.8 if the metabones works as promised for PR crap. Backup camera might just be a A6000 as it would be emergency mode. The A7II is going on the block for funding reasons. Problem here is needing to raise a lot of cash within this time frame. It's actually a good time because I do a really big gig and I sell a lot of prints
    Hi Guy

    I understand funding constraints (retired and on a fixed income). Why don't you rent the body & required lens while you make the transition. if you feel compelled to buy something, get some good glass first. That will give you a chance to try the camera before you buy (avoiding beta tester risk). It just may not turn out as good all the mania would indicate. Also the thing ain't cheap. Remember, the second mouse gets the cheese.

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    Re: A7RII game plan

    Well I already gave up my A7r for house repairs and I already got the go ahead for this. But not those Batis lenses. I figure I should be fine plus I get at least a 14 day return too but I may not sell my A7II before hand. I can use that sale after the new camera to get a lens. Just have to work the Peter, Paul and Mary triangle. Steal from Peter give to Paul and pay back Mary. LOL Or something like that.
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    Re: A7RII game plan

    Hi,

    Right now I am condidering the A7rII, my game plan right now is:

    - Keep existing a-mount lenses with adapter
    - Add a Batis 1.8/85, as this focal length is a bit lacking in my setup
    - Add a Mirex/Hartblei adapter so I can use my existing Hasselblad lenses with T/ S
    - Add a Canon 3.5/24 TS with a Canon adapter

    But this is a significant outlay, so I may need to wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Well we have till June 17 to order and August 20th to ship to our doors. I thought it would be interesting to see what folks game plan maybe. Are we selling current models for it or not buying it???

    Are we working our lens system around in FE mounts , possible buying more Canon glass. Or staying pat till you see what works or not. In the meantime the 2 Batis lenses will come on the market what are you doing there. Buying, hiding, trading.

    Let's also say for fun if you need two bodies what would be the best combination.

    Are you buying for video or stills.

    Let's hear your thought process on this whole matter . Let's also hear your concerns and exuberance for it or not.

    Make it fun, we have not spent a dime YET. Oh and what bank will you need my rented ski mask for. LOL
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    I will buy it same time next year when it is 50% off the retail $$.

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    I'm planning on ordering the A7R2 on the 17th. I've been shooting with the A7R and am very hooked on it for many reasons. I'll finally sell my Nikon D800E with a few lenses but keep all my Canon lenses which work well on the A7, (and bodies for other work). I will then slowly start adding Sony, Zeiss, E mount glass as needed. I am also keeping my Leica R lens set, which are fantastic on the A7!

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    The A7rII is a bit rich for me, by that I mean for the price/IQ compared to the old models I doubt my images are worth it. I can stretch to it but I can't justify it for my images.

    So I am hoping that maybe the A7r will drop substantially. This could be wishful thinking because it occupies a different price point so there may be no drop or little. I'm not so keen on used bodies, however I am sure some bargains will pop up.

    Lens wise I have become a minimalist. I'd stick to either the 50 or 35 in Sony or Loxia and add a 21mm. I don't use a lot more and have other cameras like a GR that will cover 28mm.

    What I am worried about is I will fall in love with the new A7rII's sensor rendering. To me this is one of the main points. How good IS that sensor?

    But right now I am keeping an eye on the old model bargain clearout prices. We've even had a Fuji XT1 cashback going here.

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    My goal is to sit back and let you guys do all of the initial purchasing I want to pick up the new 90/2.8 macro lens, but beyond that (shrug) I don't know.

    Video: I do occasional video snapshots. But I have a broadcast television background and a pretty good idea of what the workflow's like for more ambitious works where most of the time is spent in post-production. I'm thinking there are not enough hours in a day for me to go too deeply down that perfectionist rabbit hole. On the upside, besides your familiar friends Adorama and B&H, you can make new ones like Markertek and Sweetwater Sound: Heh heh, welcome to the other 90% of your expenditures.

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    Re: A7RII game plan

    The main question for me is should I, on the long run, "invest" (ahem, you know what I mean :-) ) more in Sony-compatible or Canon-compatible gear.

    For the moment, I use my A7R as a Canon body (with Metabones adapter), for my landscape stuff. I cannot completely dump Canon though (I have the original 7D and a 1DsIII), because I also do wildlife. For that I need long lenses (I have the 500mm f/4 II, which I love), with fast-ish AF (I'm not into birds in flight in particular, so the AF doesn't need to be super-duper fast, not gonna upgrade just to get the latest and greatest AF).

    For bodies, it's 5DsR vs A7RII. Both have pros and cons.

    For the lenses, it's native Sony (Zeiss Batis, and other AF lenses for the Sony), vs. Canon / Sigma / Zeiss primes.

    The nice thing with Sony, is you can use lenses on Canon mount. You lose fast AF, but with the A7RII, perhaps the AF will be even useful on adapted lenses (it's not really currently, too slow for anything that moves even a bit).
    Canon - well it has a much better AF, and it is better suited to work with super telephotos from a handling POV.

    Another option would be A7RII (for landscapy stuff) + Canon 6D (to have a FF option for the 500mm). Perhaps not a bad choice, actually ?

    Choices, choices. But now, I think I will just sit tight, and wait for reviews, and especially "Battle of the pixel giants" kinds of things, comparing different options.

    It will be very very interesting to see, how an A7RII with the 25mm Batis fares against a 5DsR with either Sigma 24mm or Zeiss ZE 25mm f/2. I think it will be the Batis (as it's a newer design and the MTF looks very very good), but who knows ?

    Interesting times. Canon better wake up now.

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    Since I read the A7RII announcement, I've been thinking about my game plan. I don't usually rush in as an early adapter of new models, but this seems different because the II isn't all that new. It's second generation, and it fixes things that held me back, especially the vibrating shutter.

    I use an A7 for my little bit of color work. I bought it back when we were too optimistic about how well it would work with Leica lenses. But most of my work is BW landscapes with Leica MM, and I've found it annoying to see/guess what will end up in the frame when using wide lenses + external finders, instead of live view. I'd been waiting for clues about which next-generation body would suit me best, M246 or A7RII.

    All of the sites I've read suggest the M246 offers only modest improvement in IQ at base ISO. Its greatest advantage seems to be its high ISO range, but I do very little work in 'available darkness.' I had been reading about the M246 but decided to pre-order an A7RII (for $4K less!). If for some reason I don't like it, I can sell it at a modest loss and go for the Leica. Experimenting the other way around would be costly/risky.

    I'll continue to use the same lenses, usually Leica WATE and MATE (which are retrofocus) for BW landscapes. I'm expecting to sell/trade my 24mm Elmarit for a 25 Batis or older 25 C/Y Distagon, because there's little reason to think the the Elmarit would cover a Sony sensor's corners without tinting/smearing.

    I'll demote the A7 that I've been using for color to be the camera that lives in the car. I'll also keep some lovely Zeiss C/Y lenses, 28, 50, and 35-70, that I bought when I realized most of my M lenses had trouble lighting up the corners of A7/R sensors.

    I've already tested to be sure the present A7R's BW conversions can pretty closely march MM image quality in the size of BW prints I make (never over 17x22"); so I'm pretty confident that files from the RII sensor will be adequate for my purposes. And I'll appreciate, besides the live view, the chance to use the LR/ACR BW conversion sliders again. With MM files I've missed the chance to create different tonal balances, especially when converting greens and blues.

    My main uncertainty: Would I like a 25mm Batis? (One of the questions that Miska just asked). I love the less clinical and more 3D rendering of the older Zeiss C/Y lenses, and the slight flare of the older coatings; so I might be happier with a 25mm C/Y Distagon. I'm not sure which would be the better bridge, 25 Batis or 25 Distagon, between 16-21 WATE and 28-35 MATE. The Tri-Elmars are sort of midway between Mandler lenses and the current Karbe ones, and for sure I'll stick with them, especially because they give me 6 Leica focal lengths in 2 barrels. I'm getting too old to carry more.

    I've been puzzling over this game-plan and would like help if anyone spots mistakes/loopholes. I should add that the omission of focal lengths over 50 isn't an oversight, though I do have the 35-70 Zeiss to add a little more focal length.

    Kirk
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    Kirk,

    Have you tried Nik with Silver Efex Pro 2 for B&W conversion?
    That would give you another tool that I find very useful.
    The Nik package interfaces excellently with CS6 and LR.
    One can also use Nik standalone.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: A7RII game plan

    Being a diehard tech cam shooter for everything I do professionally, I will not be preordering.
    I have an A7R but use it only for familysnaps so I havn't even invested in modern lenses but use my Canon FDn's (20/2.8 35/2 50/1.4 85/1.2L) with better than expected results for my usage.

    Having said that, this R mark II seems absolutely amazing and I will probably end up with one, just not buying the first batch.

    If I was to invest in modern glass then for me the 25 and 85 Batis are a no brainer.

    Then my wish would be for a 45 Batis to complement the other two. (can never forget this focal length with many years of shooting with Contax G1 and the 45)

    And ofcourse......a killergood native tilt/shift 18......

    With those four lenses I would be able to do what I do in my style of photography and it would be a reasonably light load to bring everything all the time!

    However, I will continue to reach for my tech setup not only for end result but the photographic process. To me it is pure and gets me creative.......
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    The thing that makes this very difficult, is that it's not just a choice of a camera. It's the system that counts: Choice of lenses, AF system / Adapter, Body.
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    Re: A7rIi game plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post

    I have used the Nikon 14-24/2.8 with a double adapter on my A7R and the results were great but it was a very fiddly setup, with no idea of the aperture and of course manual focusing.

    Pradeep
    A small trick for knowing approximate aperture...

    On my A7R w/Novoflex adapter, I use the 14/24 in A priority. Starting wide open, if you start rotating the aperture ring on the adapter, everytime the shutter speed halves, it's one stop. So at f2.8, if you were at 1/800, and you are now at f8.

    Granted, when using auto ISO in combination, it gets more complex, but for landscape, I'm usually at base ISO anyway, and I have never really liked auto ISO on the A7 to begin with.

    Otherwise, I really like the 14/24 on the Sony.
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    Re: A7rIi game plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm buying , I figured that out in about 5 minutes reading the feature sets. My game plan on how and what goes and stays is a moving target. The 35mm stays for sure. I want the 85 no doubt about it. I do want the 25 but to do that the 16-35 goes and I lose my extreme wide angle. Than if I did that I would want one of several choices Tri-elmar or Leica 18 if it works or go back to the 17mm TSE which I'm leaning towards.
    Another great wide option is the Voightlander 15mm MkIII. The pictures on the internet were good enough that I bought one recently and find it is fantastic on the A7II and my Leica ME. Batis 25mm will be a great, fast wide (although I am hoping for a Loxia 25mm soon), and you have multiple choices at 35mm, mine being the Loxia 35 F2.0.

    That will be a pretty spread out set of three wide angle primes on a high megapixel camera which will allow a bit of cropping. Much cheaper than a WATE, and Photoshop can mimic the 17mm TSE.
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