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    Hi folks:
    Right now I use a Sony A7R with both native lenses, and an LA-EA4 adapter to use my numerous Minolta and Sony "A" mount lenses. The LA-EA4 works very well; it allows auto focus, EXIF data, etc. Sony now lists the smaller, lighter, and cheaper LA-E3 as the adapter to use on the A7RII. I assume it will allow auto focus, EXIF data, etc? Am I correct to assume the LA-EA4, which I already own, will also work on the A7RII? I plan on purchasing an A7RII after the feeding frenzy dies down.
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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Hi Dave, the LA-EA3 would be more suitable for the A7RII because of the new AF in the A7RII.

    Advantages:
    1. You do not lose any light like in the EA4 that has a pellicle mirror.
    2. No need for AF tuning each lens.
    3. Less power consumption (though likely very little difference).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Hi Dave, the LA-EA3 would be more suitable for the A7RII because of the new AF in the A7RII.

    Advantages:
    1. You do not lose any light like in the EA4 that has a pellicle mirror.
    2. No need for AF tuning each lens.
    3. Less power consumption (though likely very little difference).
    Vivek correct me if I am wrong but I heard the screw drive focus lenses will no longer AF on the a7rII with the #3 adapter..... only motor AF lenses will focus. This knocks out all his Minolta glass.
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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    Vivek correct me if I am wrong but I heard the screw drive focus lenses will no longer AF on the a7rII with the #3 adapter..... only motor AF lenses will focus. This knocks out all his Minolta glass.
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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    Vivek correct me if I am wrong but I heard the screw drive focus lenses will no longer AF on the a7rII with the #3 adapter..... only motor AF lenses will focus. This knocks out all his Minolta glass.
    Thanks for that Jim.

    Still recovering from a jetlag, I suppose?

    Dave, My apologies.
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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Thanks all. Yes I do have some older Minolta lenses, so I guess I will keep the LA-EA4. (or maybe add an LA-E3 as well). Some of my favorite Minolta lenses are the awesome 20mm f2.8, and the 500 Mirror. The 500 should be awesome on an A7RII: a 500 mirror with auto focus, and image stabilization!
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    gurtch.....that combo is not unusual being as every A mount Sony or Minolta digital body has been able to give those functional features with the 500mm f8

    I have one and it is a excellent copy but has been sitting a lot since getting the 150-600 Tammy..... The 500 f8 is a much lighter package though.

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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    I sold my LAe4 and bought the 3 for my Sigma 24-70 2.8. Right now on the A7ii and A6000 it does not work well at all. I'm hoping on the A7RII it will work with full AF modes across the screen. Will see Thursday if not than I may have to sell them both. Don't know until it gets here.
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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    gurtch.....that combo is not unusual being as every A mount Sony or Minolta digital body has been able to give those functional features with the 500mm f8

    I have one and it is a excellent copy but has been sitting a lot since getting the 150-600 Tammy..... The 500 f8 is a much lighter package though.
    Right you are Jim. I still have my Alpha A-900, and love it. I also have a D800E so the A-900 gets little use. The A900 and 500mm mirror is awesome....have made some really unusual photos with that combo.
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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Guy what is your opinion on the Sigma 24-70?

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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Great question Jim. First off you need 2.8 you need 2.8. I use it strictly for PR type work and it is a good lens for the low cost. But you know me I'm a pig when it comes to glass and needs to be near perfect and I hate zooms so take this with that bias in my comments. It's rated fairly good. The tamron is rated higher but it's 1200 dollars too. Now it does focus nice on the A7's bodies with the Lae4 but it's center AF cluster. I'm hoping with the A7rII with the Lae3 it will do full AF points across the screen with speed. It should work but will see Thursday. The good news it's not a expensive lens at around 500 used or so. See if I can find the lens review for you
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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Thanks - I am struggling with getting both a normal zoom for the A7R2 and or a 24. I don't like the FE 24-70. I end up shooting with the 55 much of the time (when I would use a 24-70 or 24-105) but I do need wider and a zoom occasionally. I also looked at the 16-35 but I really only need down to 24.

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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    Thanks - I am struggling with getting both a normal zoom for the A7R2 and or a 24. I don't like the FE 24-70. I end up shooting with the 55 much of the time (when I would use a 24-70 or 24-105) but I do need wider and a zoom occasionally. I also looked at the 16-35 but I really only need down to 24.

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    I was actually thinking of going back to the 24-70. Reason being it has better ISO levels and looks like we gain some with BSI and the focusing is far better. If you want to trade your 24-70 that might be something we can do. I have the Lae3 too. But I want to see if it works first. Want to make sure it works perfectly. Otherwise I'll eBay the thing.
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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    I no longer have a 24-70. The endless struggle to find the right lens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I was actually thinking of going back to the 24-70. Reason being it has better ISO levels and looks like we gain some with BSI and the focusing is far better. If you want to trade your 24-70 that might be something we can do. I have the Lae3 too. But I want to see if it works first. Want to make sure it works perfectly. Otherwise I'll eBay the thing.

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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    I just picked up the 3 and the 70-400G 2 for use with my forthcoming A7r2.

    The combination hunts a great deal with the venerable A7.

    I have only tried it near dusk so it may do better in direct sunlight tomorrow.

    Although it is nice that all focus modes work. And the IQ seems pretty good.

    Possibly the AF will be speedier with the A7r2. At least IBIS will be helpful.

    The next few days will tell.

    Also, Sony is now closing their Costa Mesa store, leaving NYC as their final Sony branded store in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohnri View Post
    I just picked up the 3 and the 70-400G 2 for use with my forthcoming A7r2.

    The combination hunts a great deal with the venerable A7.

    I have only tried it near dusk so it may do better in direct sunlight tomorrow.

    Although it is nice that all focus modes work. And the IQ seems pretty good.

    Possibly the AF will be speedier with the A7r2. At least IBIS will be helpful.

    The next few days will tell.

    Also, Sony is now closing their Costa Mesa store, leaving NYC as their final Sony branded store in the U.S.

    -Bill
    Apparently, the A7r2 can use PDAF with the 3 adapter while the A7 only uses CDAF.

    Now I anticipate far speedier AF with the A7r2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohnri View Post
    Apparently, the A7r2 can use PDAF with the 3 adapter while the A7 only uses CDAF.

    Now I anticipate far speedier AF with the A7r2.

    -Bill
    I would be very interested in the 80-400 G2 combined with the LA-E3 on the A7rII. This could become my wildlife combo if it works and till a native 80-400 FE would be available.

    So folks, please report your findings about performance and IQ of this combo, this would be very helpful and important to me!

    Many thanks in advance

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    I read this on SAR from a new a7r2 user raised a concern about #3 #4 adaptors using SSM & screw drive lenses. No free lunch? Could anyone with the new a7r2 confirm this?

    Bad news for sports photographers.

    Just tested my a7RII, to see if it has improved from a7II with LAEA-3 and 4 adapters.

    Regardless if tracking preference is set to "Release" or "AF" priorty...
    Regardless if LAEA-3 adapted to Sony SSM lenses...
    Regardless if LAEA-4 adapted to Sony/Minolta screw drive lenses...

    There is NO AF-TRACKING while in "Continuous High" motor drive setting. AF locks on first frame and never attempts to readjust AF. Can shoot a million photos and it never attempts to track or even refocus. Doesn't work.

    Set camera to "Continuous Low" motor drive setting (about 2fps) and it will track both with LAEA-3 adapted Sony SSM, and LAEA-4 adapted Sony/Minolta screw drive lenses. Seems to track ok, about like a Sony a200 camera. Not nearly as good as a77, a77II, a900, a700, a99.

    They didn't fix it.

    This problem was reported back in April on Dyxum concerning a7II and LAEA-4 adapter.
    Dyxum page not found...

    Various users tested their systems with similar to identical results. No AF tracking while in "Continuous High" motor drive.

    _________

    More bad news...

    With LAEA-3 adapted to Sony SSM lenses, the "Flexible Spot" focus area is limited to a perfect square. No far edge spots available.

    With LAEA-4 adapted to Sony/Minolta screwdrive lenses, the "Flexible Spot" area is limited to the standard a99, a77 focus area. No extra wide spots available like on a77II. It's a little smaller than the LAEA-3 focus area with Sony SSM lenses.

    While the a7RII is a dramatic improvement over a7II with LAEA-3 and SSM lenses, it's still not as fast or sure footed, or as quick to react as either camera is with LAEA-4 adapted lenses, SSM or Screwdrive. And that's not nearly as fast as any of the higher end A-Mount cameras, including the old a900 and a700.

    __________

    I've found other interesting things about a7RII with LAEA adapted lenses. It's not the best news but I want to do more testing before making final conclusions.

    Sports and fast action photographers beware. Your mileage may vary. Your tests may show differently. But so far, I've found no E-Mount solution for AF tracking high speed continuous motor that even comes close to a99, a77, a77II, a900, a700.

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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Quote Originally Posted by SamSS View Post
    I read this on SAR from a new a7r2 user raised a concern about #3 #4 adaptors using SSM & screw drive lenses. No free lunch? Could anyone with the new a7r2 confirm this?
    There are many cameras doing the same, including my Canon 5d and 6d and the Olympus OMD. It is more or less standard to have AF tracking with continuous shooting set to low and focus on the first shot when CAF is activated with the high speed continuous shooting. Only high level pro camera tailored for action/sport will allow you focus tracking at high speed.

    Now the whole question is how much fps you get in either low speed or high speed. 2.5 fps is pretty low and 4fps is often available as low speed. The OMD-E-M5II for instance has a high speed of about 10fps and low at 4fps or lower (customizable). But then the sensor is only offering 16MB. For a long time high end Canon and Nikon bodies came in two versions : one for resolution which was slower and one for action, much speedier, but with less resolution.

    IMO it is irrealist to expect that a high resolution body like the A7RII will behave like an action camera, especially with adapted and older lenses.
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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Here is a link from sonyalpharumors.com to a Chinese video that shows the difference in A7Rll AF speed between the LA EA3 and LA EA4. The lens used is the 70-200 Gll SSM. He is saying with the LA EA4, the AF is slightly faster.

    http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/new-a7rii-extensive-autofocus-test-in-chinese/#disqus_thread



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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    There are many cameras doing the same, including my Canon 5d and 6d and the Olympus OMD. It is more or less standard to have AF tracking with continuous shooting set to low and focus on the first shot when CAF is activated with the high speed continuous shooting. Only high level pro camera tailored for action/sport will allow you focus tracking at high speed.

    Now the whole question is how much fps you get in either low speed or high speed. 2.5 fps is pretty low and 4fps is often available as low speed. The OMD-E-M5II for instance has a high speed of about 10fps and low at 4fps or lower (customizable). But then the sensor is only offering 16MB. For a long time high end Canon and Nikon bodies came in two versions : one for resolution which was slower and one for action, much speedier, but with less resolution.

    IMO it is irrealist to expect that a high resolution body like the A7RII will behave like an action camera, especially with adapted and older lenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Man I love it when someone gets it. Well said

    It's a high resolution camera like a MF back that's it ultimate design is to produce at the highest level IQ not be the speed boat. It can't do both
    There is no fundamental reason I can think of that a higher fps crop mode cannot be available. Or at least an option to keep AF enabled at the full 5 fps when in crop mode.

    Of course, there is at least one very high speed action mode on the A7r2, my excellent Samsung NX1 has it, and I use it all the time.

    Shoot 4K video and take frame grabs. Thirty frames per second. There can be some jello effect but careful shot planning will minimize it.

    Focus tracking in video mode on the Samsung is pretty good. Hopefully, the new Sony has far better video focus tracking than the current models.

    Even if the Sony is primarily designed to be a high IQ machine, having a fast, responsive camera will do wonders to expand the base of users that find the A7r2 to be viable as a main body or single body solution.

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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    I understand that but we are also dealing with processing horsepower , heat and such that can really only take it so far. Crop mode would be nice and really that may be a firmware option. But for sports shooters not sure mirrorless is the real answer
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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Would be nice to have options. The next iteration of the A7s ("speed") hopefully will be an action cam with higher pixie count than 12mp and great high ISO performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Would be nice to have options. The next iteration of the A7s ("speed") hopefully will be an action cam with higher pixie count than 12mp and great high ISO performance.
    That's the camera that should have the speed and higher ISO count. That should be more intended for the sports kind of shooter. The A7RII the file is just to big to push around. Crop mood though I would like to see that option of faster FPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    That's the camera that should have the speed and higher ISO count. That should be more intended for the sports kind of shooter. The A7RII the file is just to big to push around. Crop mood though I would like to see that option of faster FPS.
    Even enabling CAF at 5fps in the APS crop mode would provide a nice option for occasional use.

    Does the A7r2 allow CAF for any auto shooting speed or is CAF single shot only?

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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    I just tried something not sure where the issue is. Put camera in crop mode, put AFC on in wide focus area with my Batis 85 which now is a 135 or whatever. Set the FPS at 10 and I just rattled off a bunch of shots and it was tracking just fine

    Okay this is with Native lenses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I just tried something not sure where the issue is. Put camera in crop mode, put AFC on in wide focus area with my Batis 85 which now is a 135 or whatever. Set the FPS at 10 and I just rattled off a bunch of shots and it was tracking just fine

    Okay this is with Native lenses
    This is certainly welcome news.

    Do you mean FPS 5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohnri View Post
    This is certainly welcome news.

    Do you mean FPS 5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yes The Camera has a setting for High and Low I left it on high
    WooHoo !

    That should also work well with the 70-200 f/4 FE !

    I'll be able to test it with the 3 adapter and the Sony 70-400 G2 Friday night or Saturday and I'll post my findings.

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    Yes I am actually thinking of getting the 70-200 F4 myself

    Im trying to go all native
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yes I am actually thinking of getting the 70-200 F4 myself

    Im trying to go all native
    Going native is for sure the best strategy IMHO!

    This is also what I want to do when I start with the A7rII - which is almost a done decision for me

    I still hope for a native 80-400 FE lens, but till that happens I would be hopefully able to use the 80-400G II with the LA-E3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yes I am actually thinking of getting the 70-200 F4 myself

    Im trying to go all native
    I'm certain you have seen the evaluations of the 70-200 f4. It is a fine lens.

    I would also prefer a fully native solution for telephoto but I see little on the short term horizon.

    For my limited use, the 70-400 G2 with the 3 Adapter might just be enough.

    I have thought of picking up the promised Samsung 300 f2.8 for my NX1 but producing new lenses appears to have fallen out of favor at Samsung. Besides, it likely will prove to be too heavy to be worth my effort no matter the availability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Going native is for sure the best strategy IMHO!

    This is also what I want to do when I start with the A7rII - which is almost a done decision for me

    I still hope for a native 80-400 FE lens, but till that happens I would be hopefully able to use the 80-400G II with the LA-E3
    That is the exact combination I will be trying out this weekend.

    A7r2 with LA-E3 and 70-400 G II.

    I have the lens and adapter pre-mounted ...

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    Awesome use those sticky threads to report findings folks
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    I should have edited down from the quote.
    Originally, I would think all 399 focus points would be utilized with Sony's #3 adaptor. Which is not the case, reportedly.
    I'm concern and plenty of users certainly would like to know about how much or how limited of the focus point areas.

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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    First tests with the A7r2, the LA-EA3 and the 70-400 G2.

    Just shooting out of a window then turning the camera indoors with this combination reveals ...

    On High Frame Rate and AF-C - It will AF on the first shot then stay locked there. So there is not any continuous AF when using the High Frame Rate with this lens and adapter.

    On Low Frame Rate (about 2 fps) and AF-C - It will try to AF for every shot.
    So continuous AF will try to work when using the Low Frame Rate with this lens and adapter.


    By contrast, when using the A7r2 with the Sony/Zeiss 35/1.4 FE and, therefore, no adapter, it will try to AF for every frame even when using the High Frame Rate and AF-C.


    These findings apply to both FF and crop modes. No difference between them.

    -Bill

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    Re: LA-E3 vs LA-EA4 for A7RII

    Has anyone tried to remove the pellicle mirror on LA-EA4 and seen if faster AF happens with screw driven lenses?
    Perhaps a firmware fix or LAEA5 with the motor drive and no mirror...

    I want to keep the Minolta 200 HS and the tiny 135mm f2.8 the most, hope I can find an adapter to AF them...

    N
    A and E mount Too many lenses.
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