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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    In stock at b&h . I need just the flash. Hope there still around next week when I get some cash
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    Yay, mine has finally shipped!

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Mine say in process. Looking forward to trying this.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    I grabbed one. Afraid it may not be available next week. So this gives me two to work with. Now just need to figure out how to separate them via the air commander so I can control power. Manual sucks
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    Oh I'm dead serious. My dog ate the air commander manual. I kid you not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    My dog ate the air commander manual.
    Don't you mean your 'former' dog?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    Don't you mean your 'former' dog?
    It's going to be real soon. Golden 11 month puppy Mike and she has literally destroyed our home . My baseboards and some door frames she has chewed up and about 5 places scratched the walls really bad. This is caused a major discussion in the house. It's my 18 year old sons. This continue I'll throw them both out on there ***. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Oh I'm dead serious. My dog ate the air commander manual. I kid you not.
    Nissin usually has online manuals that you can download and store on your PDF Reader or Phone. I usually do this personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I grabbed one. Afraid it may not be available next week. So this gives me two to work with. Now just need to figure out how to separate them via the air commander so I can control power. Manual sucks
    Guy,
    Once you link them to the commander and designate them as A, B or C the power, and configuration control are done on the commander.

    My recollection, without digging one out of the bag, is that, when selecting the wireless icon on the speedlite you are then given the option to designate the group.

    That done. You are finished with the speedlite. Selecting TTL or M mode if done with the commander. That is also where power and zoom are set.

    After doing it a couple of times its quite easy.

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    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Thanks
    And you will really appreciate that once you've set the ratio using FEC + and - values, the overall FEC can be moved up or down based on the subject and conditions.

    I also noticed that even though the indicator lights on the commander are 1/2 EV, there are a couple of click between them that suggest that the tuning can be more granular.

    Used them at one wedding reception and loved how easy it was to adapt the lighting to the situation.
    I used 600EX-RTs in TTL in Gr mode for headshots. Two in back for rim lighting, a main and a fill. The Nissin will do the same thing. Its dumb simple for assembly line shooting. Click, chimp, too dark, up 2/3 EV, click, click click, next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    It's going to be real soon. Golden 11 month puppy Mike and she has literally destroyed our home . My baseboards and some door frames she has chewed up and about 5 places scratched the walls really bad. This is caused a major discussion in the house. It's my 18 year old sons. This continue I'll throw them both out on there ***. Lol
    We just built a house a little over two years ago and amazing between the dog and my 16 year old daughter how much damage they do

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Okay I have 1 unit set for group A and one for group B and I can adjust power in each. I think I got it
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    I love these things! Only had them for an hour, but I'm very impressed. So easy to control.

    And they work great in my little Impact soft boxes.


    Question for the group about batteries. Do you use rechargeables, or not?

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    Yes I just ordered new ones enloop Pro
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    Question for the group about batteries. Do you use rechargeables, or not?
    I've used the Sanyo Eneloop 2,000 mAh rechargeable AA batteries for years. They are awesome! Apparently Panasonic makes them now.
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    Yea not cheap but they are supposed to be really good.

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...hargeable.html
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    Amazing how far strobes have come. My first 'real' strobe used 510 volt batteries which cost about $40 each and were only good for about 800 flashes. That's 5 per shot! And I was only getting paid about $80 to shoot a wedding, including proofs.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Mine arrived the other day and I am just setting them up. So far so good but I probably will not really be able to test them until next week when I am going to a conference (LightPro in Hilton Head, SC) I like the size of the Air 1 - looks much smaller than an Odin and seems easy to use. I may have to find a way to use them sooner than next week

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    Yea I would test them make sure you got everything down. Dogs are great models, sleeping ones. LOL

    I ordered all new batteries. My current rechargeables seen better days
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Slick little system. I might have to add a third one.

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    Mike what softbox setup you have there
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Mike what softbox setup you have there
    It's the Impact Quickbox (B&H's knock-off of the Lastolite). I've got 15x15 and 24x24 units. The photo shows the 15-inch model. Quality seems identical to the Lastolites, which I've used in the past.

    Info here - Impact Quickbox

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    I'll test them out to make sure I have the hang of it but they look good so far. When I get back I may order new batteries as well but no time now.

    For a softbox choice like Mike has you might look at the one from Cheetah. Less money but it also includes grids, etc. I found they are a reliable supplier.

    https://www.cheetahstand.com/Cheetah...Pro-p/q16p.htm

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    Thanks Guys they both look really nice
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    I have a couple of THESE.
    They about the same lighting surface as the 15 inch quick box shown and much easier to carry around and use.

    When using a modifier with a speedlite that has a speedring, either Bowens or Elinchrom THESE are useful. The outer diameter works with the quick boxes as well. Actually, I use them as the default for mounting speedlites on stands because they also have an umbrella mounting point that is right next to the speedlite.
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    I have 2 of the Pro E brackets. They are great and what I now use most of the time.

    Tell me more about the F-Stoppers Flash Dish. If they work well you will have cost me more $.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    I have 2 of the Pro E brackets. They are great and what I now use most of the time.

    Tell me more about the F-Stoppers Flash Dish. If they work well you will have cost me more $.

    Jim
    Jim, They are pop up frames with silvered back and edge. The front is translucent with a sown in block to kill the hot spot right in front of the flash tube. It takes about 2 seconds to put it on the speedlite, and about the same to fold if back up. As you can see from the size, it will fit into a pocket of camera bag pocket easily.

    Since the Nissin Di700 NAS requires the commander is in the hot shoe, the flash disk can be used on a Di700 held in the other hand as fill. I also use one on the speedlite in the hot shoe for table shots or grab shots during cocktails especially if there is a bank of winds backlighting the area.

    It fits best on the flash head with the head in its normal position which makes them a little impractical for shooting vertical.

    HERE is an F Stoppers video that will give you an idea how they work.
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    This forum is not good for my bank account Ordered a flash dish for delivery before my trip.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Dang things look pretty cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    This forum is not good for my bank account Ordered a flash dish for delivery before my trip.

    Jim
    You'll be glad. Its great for popping some light into a shot. Especially if you're willing to hold camera in one hand and light in the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Dang things look pretty cool.
    They are quite versatile. Work well for small product photography since they weigh next to nothing. Speedlite on a small table top stand with head tilted works like a charm. For a long time the first thing I misplaced was the plastic foot stand that comes with every speedlite. Now I make sure they are in the bag so I can put the light on them with a flash disk on it.

    This was shot in a chapel anteroom. I put the speedlite, with flash disk attached on the shelf of a coat rack camera left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmward View Post
    You'll be glad. Its great for popping some light into a shot. Especially if you're willing to hold camera in one hand and light in the other.



    They are quite versatile. Work well for small product photography since they weigh next to nothing. Speedlite on a small table top stand with head tilted works like a charm. For a long time the first thing I misplaced was the plastic foot stand that comes with every speedlite. Now I make sure they are in the bag so I can put the light on them with a flash disk on it.
    Yea I started a small Domke x5 bag or whatever the name is. But two flashes, batteries both feet for strobes. Rogue gells and heck I could fit two of these as well. Okay need to find 100 bucks . Order two of these. I use a Stofen for grip and grin single on camera flash pointed up. But these are handy plus I have very small umbrellas as well

    There are many times I could use these instead of bringing the big lights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Okay need to find 100 bucks . Order two of these.
    Here's an apparent knock-off of the concept by Neewer for $18. I might risk ordering one.

    Neewer light disc

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    I am bringing 2 of the lights (only one Flash dish till I see how I like it) the Air 1 and small umbrella, etc on my trip along with a number of lenses. Large bag to carry everything and a Domke F-3X for when I am actually shooting. I have a Domke F 5xB but that only holds the camera with one lens and a 2nd lens. No room in that for the flash units.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    Here's an apparent knock-off of the concept by Neewer for $18. I might risk ordering one.

    Neewer light disc
    Mike,
    That knock off looks like it will be harder to attach to the light and also may not fold up as small.
    Right concept though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yea I started a small Domke x5 bag or whatever the name is. But two flashes, batteries both feet for strobes. Rogue gells and heck I could fit two of these as well. Okay need to find 100 bucks . Order two of these. I use a Stofen for grip and grin single on camera flash pointed up. But these are handy plus I have very small umbrellas as well

    There are many times I could use these instead of bringing the big lights.
    I quit using big lights for weddings and small groups a long time ago.
    One kit I assemble is in a Domke bag. I think its the Little Bit Bigger or x7 size.
    Anyway the dividers create 8 pockets. Which hold; 2 speedlites; Camera with lens attached; two additional lenses; extra batteries for speedlites; front pockets have camera batteries; Card holder; back pocket has a couple of flash disks and some gels as well as some black foamie things for the speedlites. A third speedlite if I think I'll need it. Second camera body if I'm going to be way away from my gear case. If its going to be a long day I'll use a wheel cart for the bag. I'll put two or three light stands into a bag. Usually with the E brackets sometimes with Justin clamps with a ball head that has a cold shoe.

    If I know the venue is going to require a lot of light, I'll replace two of the speedlites with bare bulb strobes. I use Cheetah Light 360s.

    With the Di700s and commander I'm comfortable in most situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I use a Stofen for grip and grin single on camera flash pointed up.
    Guy, The advantages of the flash disk over the Stofen are;
    Much larger light source relative to subject when in close.
    No bouncing of light all over the place.
    Gets more of the flash output onto the subject
    Works great with TTL

    I've got lots of Stofen knock offs that never get used anymore.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Damn out of stock

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    i received my second flash. It works on camera but i cannot get it to fire via the wireless remote. The original flash that came with the controller works fine. For the new unit, I have the correct channel and mode but it still won't fire. I suspect something is wrong but before i return-- perhaps there is something i need to do to synch with a particular controller?

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    Binding the controller.pdf
    Quote Originally Posted by mark1958 View Post
    perhaps there is something i need to do to synch with a particular controller?
    Each flash needs to be 'bound' to the controller. Here's the page from the manual describing it - Binding the controller.pdf
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    Yep that was it. First one purchased as a package worked out of the box. I forgot about the complete manual i downloaded before i purchased. M
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    Binding the controller.pdf

    Each flash needs to be 'bound' to the controller. Here's the page from the manual describing it - Binding the controller.pdf
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    I just reread the instructions and now I have a sinking feeling.
    I took delivery Thursday of a second Commander/Speedlite kit. I'm big on having backups since I use these for weddings and events. My plan was to have two Commanders so that I could either, have one for backup or have one on each camera.

    I'll have to confirm with some testing but I now expect that its not possible to have a speedlite linked to two Commanders. If that's the case its a major shortcoming.

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    Softboxes vs light disc on Nissins

    The cheap copy of the Flash Disc arrived, and I shot these quick comparisons to satisfy my curiosity about their relative effectiveness at softening the flash.

    The small disc does a surprisingly good job for something so small, but ultimately it can't match the softness of even the 15x15 softbox - the light is not as uniform and the smaller surface area means harsher shadows (still worlds better than a straight flash though).

    Look at the shadows cast by the globe of the ceiling light and the furniture to see the effects most clearly.

    Here's the flash disc -
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    This shows the uniformity of the light coming out of the flash disc - no match for the bulkier soft boxes, which are very uniform across their whole surface.
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Nice test Mike
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    Re: Softboxes vs light disc on Nissins

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    The cheap copy of the Flash Disc arrived, and I shot these quick comparisons to satisfy my curiosity about their relative effectiveness at softening the flash.

    The small disc does a surprisingly good job for something so small, but ultimately it can't match the softness of even the 15x15 softbox - the light is not as uniform and the smaller surface area means harsher shadows (still worlds better than a straight flash though).

    Look at the shadows cast by the globe of the ceiling light and the furniture to see the effects most clearly.
    Thank you!

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Just ordered the flash and commander from B&H, hopefully it will arrive soon
    Sony A7RII
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    Re: Softboxes vs light disc on Nissins

    Mike,
    I just noticed something on the image of the disk.

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    The light is all above the black rectangle.
    The way the FStoppers disk is designed, the rectangle is intended to block the bright light right at the flash tube. So the rectangle should be above the flash head.

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    Re: Softboxes vs light disc on Nissins

    Quote Originally Posted by dmward View Post
    So the rectangle should be above the flash head.
    It's hard to tell from the image, but the flash is positioned so the upper edge is in the middle of the light blocking rectangle. I should try it with the flash even lower though. And perhaps different settings on the flash zoom.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    This thread has got me thinking that I should do some tests to see what the optimum configuration is for using the disk.

    One thing I've wondered about is using the wide angle adapter. The theory is that since all the light is bouncing around inside the disk its not being spread and thus shouldn't be as detrimental to total light output.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    I've found a disappointing limitation in the NAS system.
    The AAA batteries in the Commander run out of energy way too fast.
    I've been using three Di700a speedlites on stands for receptions. Also use one through an umbrella as fill for alter group shoots.

    The Commander has exhausted its batteries quickly every time. And, even though the display starts to flash and flicker as a warning, what makes me notice is that suddenly the speedlites start acting erratically. And, naturally, always at the worst possible time.

    The other limiting design element is inability to have two Commanders firing the same speedlites. I used that capability with Canon 600EX-RT system and two cameras. It also means there can be a backup without having to re-sync the speedlites with a new Commander.

    With these limitations, its still a very nice package.

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