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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Maybe a higher voltage battery would help in the Air 1? Maybe these?
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    I finally tried out the Nissin 7100 and Air 1 yesterday. Only used one and with a FlashDisc (this forum costs me too much money )

    A little under powered for my taste (I usually use the Godox lights outside) but all in all a nice package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    Maybe a higher voltage battery would help in the Air 1? Maybe these?
    Eneloop Pro AAA High Capacity
    Amazon.com: Panasonic BK-3HCCA8BA Eneloop Pro AA High Capacity Ni-MH Pre-Charged Rechargeable Batteries, 8-Pack: MP3 Players & Accessories

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    Jim,
    I agree that higher capacity would help. However, the Commander goes out quickly enough that I decided to get 8 of the white rather than 4 of the black higher capacity eneloops.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    David,

    How fast are we talking before the Air becomes too weak? 200 shots, 400, ??

    I only shot about 200 photos with it on the camera yesterday but it's still not blinking.

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    Jim,
    I'd have to do some math based on the image count.
    I probably shot 75 exposures with it at the church. Then it started to act up with maybe 200 or so at the reception.

    I still have to start editing so I can do a rough count and update.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    I needed help yesterday morning at 5 am. You where all I'm sure asleep. Lol

    I was shooting wind turbines and was doing a 30 second exposure and setting the camera delay to 10 seconds enough time for me to walk up and hit the fans with the flash but I could not figure out how to manually zoom the flash either alone or with commander. I wanted about 100mm focal length to focus just on the blades. Okay this thing is 100 ft tall and blades alone 3 I would say create about 60 foot diameter so I'm really aiming up. I got the shot and actually hit the flash 2 or 3 times to capture the movement or better said stop it.

    Anyway I could not figure it out how to zoom . I was shooting manual full output in flash. I'll post the image this weekend it looks killer
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Funny,

    I just looked over my flash and I don't have any idea of how to zoom it either, and of course I don't see where I put the instructions.

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    Thanks Jim. It does seem odd it's not obvious .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Anyway I could not figure it out how to zoom
    Easy, peasy. Press mode button until the zoom function is illuminated on the commander, press select to choose an individual bank or all banks, then use the wheel to adjust the zoom.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    tried that Mike I never saw the zoom light up when rotating the dial. I'll try again when I get home.
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Pressing the mode button repeatedly should cycle through TTL, manual and zoom on the display. Doesn't it do that?

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Yes it does do that and I got to Z and rotated dial and nothing.
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Same results as Guy. Obviously missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yes it does do that and I got to Z and rotated dial and nothing.
    After it shows the 'Z', then you have to press the center button to select which bank(s) you want to zoom. The bank row(s) blink to indicate they are selected. Only when they are blinking can you zoom. (I'm doing this from memory, but I'm pretty sure of the sequence.)

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    Okay I waited till they stopped blinking. I'll try it in the morning
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    Okay got it now. I was not waiting for all the channels to be blinking. Mike you nailed it . Thank You so where the hell where you at 5 am on Thursday morning bud. LOL

    I was pretty close to you actually about 40 miles north of Des Moines. Okay a couple hundred miles. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    So where the hell where you at 5 am on Thursday morning bud. LOL
    I was in Germany. Right now I'm in the air over Greenland. Home in a few hours, thankfully.

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    The Zooming part I got.
    What is frustrating me at the moment is that one of my three speedlites is set to M when in wireless for Commander control. The other two are set in TTL as I want.

    I can't figure out a) now it got to M mode and b) how to get it back to TTL.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    David,
    While trying to make zooming work I un-mated one of my flashes from the Air 1. You might try re-mating that unit.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    A question to all. These flash units use the multi interface foot which really doesn't work well with regular cold feet (on stands, etc). To work well you need something with the two little holes for the flash to lock into. The mini stands that come with the flashes work but are fairly flimsy. Are there any alternatives available? I couldn't find any in searching this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    Are there any alternatives available?
    I use these, screwed onto normal light stands and/or magic arms: Flash to stand adapters. They are surprisingly OK for something so cheap.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Just ordered them. I'm going to buy a third flash when they become available again. Question though how many flashes can we use . I might be doing interiors again as I'm waiting to hear from a client. Big multi million dollar one but I like portable flashes to place behind plants and such as kicker lights plus I have my Dynalites too. But heck if this pans out I would not mind having 5 portables. I also need to sit down and figure out which flash goes to each bank and Mark flash A,B,C so I know when setting up.

    I should probably read the freaking manual. Not
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    I had to mount my Sony flash to a wimberley mount and found these ideal too - no screws required and also plastic so no worries about the multi interface pins shorting:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Question though how many flashes can we use
    The manual doesn't say. But I found this in the press release from when the system was announced:

    "The Nissin Commander Air1 can control 3 groups of new Nissin Di700A flash (maximum 21 guns)."

    Perfect for a 21-gun salute!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    David,
    While trying to make zooming work I un-mated one of my flashes from the Air 1. You might try re-mating that unit.

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    Jim,
    That was it. Re-Mated and it works as expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    The manual doesn't say. But I found this in the press release from when the system was announced:

    "The Nissin Commander Air1 can control 3 groups of new Nissin Di700A flash (maximum 21 guns)."

    Perfect for a 21-gun salute!
    Not sure if I mentioned this so I'll do it here;
    I contacted Nissin to ask if I could use 2 Commanders to control the same speedlites. The answer is No. :-(
    I would like to be able to do what I'd with Canon 600EX-RT. i.e. have a commander on each camera body for the same lights.
    This means I have to swap the commander back and forth. It also means that having a backup commander would require re-mating each speedlite to the new commander.

    Neither option is great at a reception or other event where the speedlites are off camera.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    An update for those who are interested.
    I've been using the Nissin kit at weddings with A7RII and A7II.
    They work well in TTL and manual as one would expect.
    The one problem is relatively slow recycle time with the four internal AA batteries.

    It took me awhile to realize the plug for external power is a Sony configuration. Once I figured that out I ordered cables to work with my Cheetah/Godox battery packs.
    I also discovered that Pixel has a version of the TD382 8 AA cell pack with Sony connector. I used those with my Canon kit and was happy with their reliability.

    The cables will be here today. Unfortunately the Pixel packs are coming from China and won't be here till mid-December.

    End result, I should have fast recycle times which is a real benefit.

    The Cheetah/Godox pack has two ports. With their bare bulb strobes its possible to use a Y connector that combines the two ports into one to improve recycle time. I'm going to try it with the Di700a when I get the cables. Will be interesting to see how it works. If it doesn't introduce too much heat buildup it might be a way to get very short recycle at full power.
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    David I shot last night a bunch of awards and ran into the same issue with battles. Im looking for a solution as well. PLEASE keep me posted. Nissin has a external but its 250 dollars per pack. Thats just too much money as we can buy Indra moonlights or something else.
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    Here is link to the Cheetah/Godox battery I plan to use.
    Elsewhere on the page is the Y cable. Not sure yet if that will be too much. These batteries will deliver about 400 pops with the 300Ws CL360 so should last forever with the Di700a.

    Here is link to the Pixel 8 cell pack. I used these for years with Canon speedlites. They are inexpensive, reliable and have two circuits of 4 cells each. That way, if a battery goes flat, the other circuit will continue to recharge the speedlite. The other advantage is that they are smaller than the Lithium Ion packs and fit easily in a pocket.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    David,

    Looking forward to your results. I recently used the lights on a shoot and ended up raising my ISO to get faster recycle times. I like both of the options you suggested. I used the Pixel packs in the past with Canon gear with excellent results and I have two of the Godox batteries in my lighting bag. that I use with a Godox 360 and 180.
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    I just ran across this on the Adorama site: Discounted

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    They have some used but the cable is the hard part
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Found the Cables here 35 dollars. Than I can buy a used pack. Save a few dollars

    http://www.amazon.com/Flashpoint-Bla...int+sony+cable

    What do you think
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    So I ordered 2 Cables through Amazon. Than I ordered a used Excellent Plus flashpoint pack for 110.00 from Adorama

    Ill try it than order a second pack. One pack for each head
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    The cables I ordered arrived late this morning.
    Quick test with the Cheetah/Godox Li-Ion pack. Recycle time at full power as fast as I can say "thousand 1"

    Put another way; Setting the shutter to Continuous Low resulted in no missed frames at up to 1/2 power.
    With the speedlite in ETTL mode HSS enabled, it also kept up with the shutter at 1/500 second.

    I went into the backyard and did a quick fill-in test. Camera set to Av with Continuous Low, minus 1EV exposure compensation, flash kept up with shutter.

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    Wondered about Flash Compensation in TTL mode.
    Turns out that its additive between camera setting and speedlite setting. Not sure that one gets 5EV but the frame with both set to max is significantly brighter than with just one set to max.
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    I'm thinking of selling all my Dynalites heads and pack. Get some more battery options. When I need real lights I can rent from Tempe camera 30 miles from me. They have a full line of Profoto gear I can rent. Anyone interest in studio strobes let me know. I need to figure out my whole system and costs but I have a 1600 watt pack and 3 heads plus a ton of accessories .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm thinking of selling all my Dynalites heads and pack. Get some more battery options. When I need real lights I can rent from Tempe camera 30 miles from me. They have a full line of Profoto gear I can rent. Anyone interest in studio strobes let me know. I need to figure out my whole system and costs but I have a 1600 watt pack and 3 heads plus a ton of accessories .
    Guy,
    I can sympathize. I had a full kit of Einsteins. Including the very good Li-Ion battery packs. I sold them after I started using the Cheetah/Godox bare bulb units. Very light, the 360 is 300 Ws and its easy to put two of them into a large modifier if necessary. The system ranges from V850s which are manual speedlites to the 360, all controlled by same triggering system. Those, along with the Nissin 700 Air system gets the job done.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    David I'm noticing that the flashpoint battery and the Godox battery look the same. I could use them with the correct cable on either Godox or Nissin. Do you have a image of the Godox cable end or the unit itself.

    From some reading it looks like quantum cables as well. It looks like a standard. What I could do is get 2 360 heads Godox units and buy one more Nissin. That would give me 3 big batteries. 2 Godox heads and 3 Nissin. What transmitter?
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Guy,

    Flashpoint are just re-branded Godox units as are Cheetah and a few others. The connection to the battery remains the same. What you need to look out for are the cable connections to the flash unit. This changed a few times over the past few years. They all use a Godox FT-16 trigger (or re-branded unit) which controls many lights at a time. The control unit is very elegant and allows you to control flash power individually from the trigger. It is a very good system just lacking the ETTL capability of the Nissin. The portable units do not have a modeling light if that is important to you. Godox also makes inexpensive studio lights that use the same triggering method. I have used these for a few years.

    I don't know if the Quantum cables have the same connection but I don't think they do.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Thanks Jim that helped a lot.
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    So I could buy a 2 Light Godox kit here.

    http://www.amazon.com/AD360-External...=godox+360+kit

    Than add a third Nissin flash. Have 3 Nissin cables. I ordered 2 already and one Flashpoint pack.


    So lets say I did that for studio. I could use all 5 heads if wanted too share 2 heads on 2 packs. Than use the Godox transmitter for the Godox heads use the Nissin on optical slave . Everything will fire.

    Than I could on location use three Nissin heads each having a pack and use the Nissin trigger and use as TTL units and HSS.

    Or i could use 2 Godox units on manual when I really need the juice. So in essence put in about 1k and have a tremendous battery system.


    On location I avoid optical slaves becuase someone always wants to shoot with there flash. So i am protecting myself not using all 5 on a event either 3 Nissin or 2 Godox depending on gig
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Other than not yet trying the Nissin units as optical slaves everything you described should work fine. I have basically everything described except 2 Nissin units and (1) 360 and (1) 180 (older - lower powered version of the 360) that I bought before the 360. Like you I am going to order cables so the Nissin can use the Godox batteries. (David - that was a great idea.)

    Now if you ever want to go crazy Godox also sells ridiculously inexpensive studio strobes that use the same trigger and can be controlled remotely. They start at $139 without receiver and go up from there.
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    Awesome news.
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Guy,
    My Cheetah/Godox kit includes 3 CL-360, 1 CL-180, 4 V850s.
    They all fire and have remote power control.
    The V850s have internal Li-Ion batteries that give them recycle similar to a speedlite with external battery. And, lots of pops.

    I also have a CL-600 which is 600 Ws. Its a head and pack unit with a Li-Ion battery on the pack. Only one head per pack.
    It also has an LED modeling light. I got the first version as a pre-release test unit from Edward and then the updated product unit.
    It does a creditable job filling in shadows with back lit shots on sunny days.

    I have 4 Nissin Di700a as well.

    I'm thinking about selling the V850s and the 180 since they overlap too much with other stuff.

    If I remember, there was something about Nissin releasing a receiver for triggering non-Di700a speedlites. That would permit triggering the Cheetah/Godox lights without having to use the optical feature.

    Another way to use optical is to set the Cheetah/Godox lights to S2 and then let the Nissin Air system fire them. The S2 option permits using the Nissin in TTL since it ignores the pre-flash. That also may save them being fired by others with P&S cameras.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

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    David I'm noticing that the flashpoint battery and the Godox battery look the same. I could use them with the correct cable on either Godox or Nissin. Do you have a image of the Godox cable end or the unit itself.

    From some reading it looks like quantum cables as well. It looks like a standard. What I could do is get 2 360 heads Godox units and buy one more Nissin. That would give me 3 big batteries. 2 Godox heads and 3 Nissin. What transmitter?
    The Flashpoint stuff is rebranded Godox. As is are the Cheetah Lights.

    They use the same plug as the Quantum batteries.

    This is the transmitter for the Cheetah/Godox.

    Here is another version that has a mini-jack for working with a TTL speedlite. It may work with the Di700a.

    These transmitters have a mini-jack so it may be possible to plug it into a Di700a and fire the Cheetah/Godox lights via the Nissin. I'll give it a test.

    BTW, the reason I use Cheetah Light links is because I did some beta testing for Edward and find him to be a really nice guy with high customer service standards.
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    Thanks David. I'm looking at all this
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    Thanks David. I'm looking at all this
    Guy,
    One thing to consider if you're thinking about buying the Cheetah/Godox 360. At some point They changed the power cable plug in the flash. The newer version has a slot on the cable and a corresponding ridge in the plug.

    All of my units have the older design so now, if I want to simplify cable management I have to buy used. Just something of which to be aware.

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    Thanks David. I've been not been able to look at everything yet but doing so this weekend. One thing that maybe a bonus is Quantum has a ton of cables. So I'll look into that as well.


    I want to find a extension male/female maybe 12 foot or so . That could be useful in the studio. I may hold on the third Nissin and get some beauty dish, grids and such. Let's hope my Dynalites sell soon
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Guy,
    There are longer power cables available. Two options; one with the the plug for the flash the other with a double plug with the standard multipin connector. Both are on the Cheetahstand site if you want to see what they look like.

    I have the long cables which makes it easy to keep the battery at the bottom of the stand. It also means I can use the Y cable to improve recycle time.

    The S brackets with either Bowens of Elinchrom mounts are a great way to mount the light on a stand.
    It permits using any modifier you have or acquire with the appropriate adapter.
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