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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

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    HERE is an Amazon link to triggers.

    HERE is Amazon link to the hot shoe adapter.
    David,

    How does this compare to the Odin triggers? They seem to work fine and do ETTL as well with a Sony flash. I don't really need the ETTl anymore since I sold my Minolta units to go with the Nissin but it's interesting to know. I am really interested in how they perform in comparison to the Odin in High Speed Sync. I have the Godox 360 and 180 as well as an Adorama Rovelight that will all do HSS with the Odin. I might sell the Odin if these are a better solution. They are obviously more cost efficient.

    (Thanks for the examples you posted by the way)

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Will do
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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    Guy,

    For 15 people I would go with the 360. The Nissin are great lights but they are not powerhouses.
    Jim
    My thoughts as well. Why I want those Pixel Kings
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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    David,

    How does this compare to the Odin triggers? They seem to work fine and do ETTL as well with a Sony flash. I don't really need the ETTl anymore since I sold my Minolta units to go with the Nissin but it's interesting to know. I am really interested in how they perform in comparison to the Odin in High Speed Sync. I have the Godox 360 and 180 as well as an Adorama Rovelight that will all do HSS with the Odin. I might sell the Odin if these are a better solution. They are obviously more cost efficient.

    (Thanks for the examples you posted by the way)

    Jim
    Jim,
    I don't have the Odin so can't make a comparison based on experience. The one advantage the Odin offers is its ability to set the FP-Sync timing. This is useful for optimizing the use of the flash tail with strobes. Since my main interest is using H mode with the Cheetah/Godox bare bulb flashes that's not a concern. They use IGBT to control power so the H mode "flat burn" high freq strobing doesn't need the timing.
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    Wow these Godox units are far better than I thought. I'll go over my shoot later but they are tremendous out in the field. Very impressed
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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Quote Originally Posted by dmward View Post
    Jim,
    I don't have the Odin so can't make a comparison based on experience. The one advantage the Odin offers is its ability to set the FP-Sync timing. This is useful for optimizing the use of the flash tail with strobes. Since my main interest is using H mode with the Cheetah/Godox bare bulb flashes that's not a concern. They use IGBT to control power so the H mode "flat burn" high freq strobing doesn't need the timing.
    David in H mode are we limited to power range with the Pixel Kings. Can we do full power let's say and sync higher with no issues. Today I was pumping almost full power on two 360 units and they did great with the standard remotes supplied but it would have been really nice to knock down the sun more at say like 1/1000 which would drop the sun down 2 stops.

    Second question could we still keep our Godox receivers in to adjust power with transmitter in hand than shoot with Pixel Kings. That way we can adjust power from the transmitter in your pocket or so.
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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    David in H mode are we limited to power range with the Pixel Kings. Can we do full power let's say and sync higher with no issues. Today I was pumping almost full power on two 360 units and they did great with the standard remotes supplied but it would have been really nice to knock down the sun more at say like 1/1000 which would drop the sun down 2 stops.

    Second question could we still keep our Godox receivers in to adjust power with transmitter in hand than shoot with Pixel Kings. That way we can adjust power from the transmitter in your pocket or so.
    Guy,
    What I found when testing with Canon camera and confirmed with Sony and Pixel King is that the Cheetah/Godox 360 has a long enough flash duration at full power to use in FP sync mode. Then changing to H mode, which effectively halves the output at 1:1, and downward to 1:8 power the FP sync works as expected and is close to linear.

    To answer your specific question, yes you could go above X sync at full power using the Pixel Kings.

    Definitely keep the Cheetah/Godox receivers installed for remote power control.

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Thanks David really appreciate this. Hate to keep asking you questions but I have one more. Are you using a sync cord for the pixel kings at the Godox end or have you tried the hot shoe.
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    Guy,
    It has to be a PC cable since the hot shoe on the Pixel King is the old style Sony hot shoe and the Cheetah/Godox has a "normal" style hot foot.

    Don't concern yourself with the questions. Happy to pass along what I've learned if its helpful.

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Thanks David. I guess we could maybe use a adapter on each head. I could put my hot shoes back on the AD360. I took them off for space reasons

    Im actually thinking if this all works of selling one Nissin. Im more apt to using the Godox for everything except on camera stuff and there I use a Nissin and hook it up to battery pack on hip. Thats really the only place TTL makes sense. Ill keep the air commander unit so I can still take it off camera. Noodling this as even a backup Nissin is nice to have around.
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    Guy,
    Here is something that might work. Its designed to fire the Cheetah/Godox lights from the camera PC connection but I don't see why it wouldn't work from the PC connection on the Pixel trigger to offer FP sync. It needs to be tested to confirm.

    I just ordered one to try it. If it works I'll let you know. If not I'll send it back to Edward and suggest they modify it so it will work with FP-sync.

    Another option is getting an adapter to put on the Pixel trigger and put the normal Cheetah/Godox trigger on it. That should work as well.

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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Wow that's frightening!

    Any issues with HSS? Look like it works pretty well on and off camera. Annoyed the Sony branded flashes won't do HSS if you tilt or swivel the head.


    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Well when in doubt do a bloody selfie. LOL

    So off camera flash with Air 1 commander just hold pilot light 3 seconds on Air commander than you can dial in your shutter speeds. Could not be easier

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Im actually thinking if this all works of selling one Nissin. Im more apt to using the Godox for everything except on camera stuff and there I use a Nissin and hook it up to battery pack on hip. Thats really the only place TTL makes sense. Ill keep the air commander unit so I can still take it off camera. Noodling this as even a backup Nissin is nice to have around.
    I use my Godox lights extensively but it's nice having 2 of the Nissin units as well. I was shooting our Christmas card this morning and it was much easier to set up 2 ETTL lights. Alright maybe not much easier but quicker and I didn't need perfection.

    Jim

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    What about HSS with this unit OCF?

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Both the Nissin and Godox do HSS off camera. For Niisin you need their Air Commander. For Godox You need either a set of Odin triggers or Pixel KIng's.
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Found the Cables here 35 dollars. Than I can buy a used pack. Save a few dollars

    http://www.amazon.com/Flashpoint-Bla...int+sony+cable

    What do you think
    Guy - thank you for all of this great info! Found this forum on one of your posts on fredmiranda.com

    Question - I have an old Quantum Turbo SC that I used with my Canon flashes. Now that I have converted to Sony, will this cable work with my Nissin flash and Quantum battery pack?

    Thanks again,
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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Greg I am almost certain the cable would work from Quantuam . They use that same connector to pack. I'm not sure about to the flash though. Canon looks to be different style
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    Re: A7rII and Nissin Di700a wireless flash

    Quote Originally Posted by gregt1310 View Post
    Guy - thank you for all of this great info! Found this forum on one of your posts on fredmiranda.com

    Question - I have an old Quantum Turbo SC that I used with my Canon flashes. Now that I have converted to Sony, will this cable work with my Nissin flash and Quantum battery pack?

    Thanks again,
    Greg
    Greg, if the question you're asking is if the Quantum Turbo battery will work, the answer is a qualified yes.
    It appears that all these external battery packs feed 300+ volts to the speedlite. It also appears that the speedlite voltage filter on the external power connector is flexible enough to accept just about any battery that offers the high voltage output.

    As Guy points out, all the cables have proprietary connections at the speedlite end. The battery end is common to many batteries.

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Here is a compatibility update for those interested:
    I got one of these from Cheetah Stand.
    It has a mini-jack in the side. The mini-jack connects the included cable to the Pixel King Sony TTL tigger and then will fire all the Cheetah/Godox lights in regular or H mode.

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    David my brain is not working. So use the Pixel King transmitter on the camera. Use the Pixel King receiver on the AD360 or do you use the standard ones we have. Than this plugs into on the Pixel King.

    Maybe give us a run down if you can. I have not bought the Pixel kings yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    David my brain is not working. So use the Pixel King transmitter on the camera. Use the Pixel King receiver on the AD360 or do you use the standard ones we have. Than this plugs into on the Pixel King.

    Maybe give us a run down if you can. I have not bought the Pixel kings yet
    Pixel King on camera via adapter.
    Pixel King receiver plugged into the CL-Tx Pro with PC to mini-jack cable provided.
    CL/Godox FT-16 receivers on lights.

    The Pixel King to CL-Tx-Pro connection is is essentially a signal converter from Pixel King to Cheetah/Godox. The key is that it supports FP-Sync so the Cheetah/Godox lights can be used in H mode at shutter speeds greater than x sync.

    In my view, this is easier than using ND filters to get wide open apertures outside in bright light.

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Thanks David. Im going to wait till I get back from my big gig in January and get all this stuff or things may change a little by than. I can use the conventional remotes for this gig since its indoors stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Thanks David. Im going to wait till I get back from my big gig in January and get all this stuff or things may change a little by than. I can use the conventional remotes for this gig since its indoors stuff.
    Guy,
    The only reason to use the Pixel King trigger is to get FP-sync. If you're going to be shooting at x sync or below then the normal Cheetah/Godox CL-Tx is the way to do. I use two of them, one on the camera and one in hand to adjust power remotely.

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Yea I need a second one for January. I have 2 shooters doing a Red Carpet event for me so I do need a second and I like the idea for one in my pocket when it's just me.
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    Guy,
    Are you both going to be using the same lights? I've done that, providing each is 1/4 power of less its unlikely that you'll step on each other and lose a shot without light. Especially if you're using the Y cable on the battery.

    Other option is to set one group of lights to one channel using dip switches and another group to another channel.

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Yea I'll use different channels . One light per shooter at 1/4 power so they can fly as fast as they want. With Y adapter in each
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yea I'll use different channels . One light per shooter at 1/4 power so they can fly as fast as they want. With Y adapter in each
    I did a test once, just for fun, with the a CL-360 at 1/4 using slow continuous. My recollection is that the light kept up. Way faster than needed for what you're doing.

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Interesting development. One of my Di700As just died.

    Same symptoms as others reported here - powers on, looks normal, just doesn't fire. Also, it's the flash unit which came bundled with the Air controller. So Guy's speculation about it being early units that fail may be on the mark. In any case, waiting to hear from Minox USA about how to get it fixed/replaced.

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Dang thats not good Mike. They will replace it
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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Mike,
    As Guy says, Minox is good about support. They sent me a replacement quickly.

    On a completely different topic, since this thread was expanded to include the Godox products.

    Godox has now introduced a version of their lights that include TTL. They will be including a Sony version later this spring. The best part of this is that the newest light is a 600Ws unit the AD600.

    It's design includes an extension cable/head that plugs into the tube socket on the body, with the tube then plugged into the head to permit removing the weight from the top of the stand or for handholding.

    There are also manual versions.

    They are also adding Sony support to the X1 trigger system which does the remote TTL. And making a version of the F-16 receivers that will work with the X1 trigger so the existing lights can be upgraded with the new receivers to play in the new environment.

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    hi to all. anyone here have problem with air commander and the unit of nissin di700a? after about 50 shots with TTL mode unit indicator goes red and refuse to fire...thank you

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    That behavior indicates low battery power in the commander in my experience.

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    Re: A7rII - Nissin Di700a /Godox AD360 Systems wireless flash

    Quote Originally Posted by dmward View Post
    That behavior indicates low battery power in the commander in my experience.
    commander was full battery. one technician here told me maybe the flash overheat. cause TTL use pre-flash. so if i make 100 shots its like i make 200. is this correct?

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