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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Marc and Shelby's wedding pics are simply beautiful. Kudos, guys.
    After seeing this work from Marc and Shelby I want to get a new copy of the Nikon 105 DC to do some special soft focus renderings of emotional shots like these.

    That will keep me busy for a while

    Great work M and S

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    Great work M and S

    Woody
    Hey... get the order right... it's S&M!

    Ok... seriously, thanks Woody. Marc's work is great and I always love seeing his shots and the subtle differences in how we see the wedding day.

    Marc... also like your b/w. DARK blacks and bright whites. Looks good

    And continuing with my server-busting posts... second shooting at a really high profile wedding this last weekend (famous country singer's son), thus lot's of detail shots:



    actually worked up a perspective corrected version of this one and it REALLY reduced the effectiveness of the one-point-perspective











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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    Shelby, I am surprised you are not sponsored by sony, nikon has a program for wedding photographers. Your work is top notch, I worked with a lot of wedding photogrpahers in Hawaii while I was living there the past 19 years and your images hands down are fantastic.
    Dude, I know I have said this before but you are the bomb :-)

    Steven

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    grandchild #2, 135

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    Shelby - lovely again - that girly shot at the end . . . phew!

    I have two to do at the end of the month, I hope I do 1/10th as well!

    anyway, here are a couple of back yard shots.

    The first one is with the lovely 135 f1.8:



    these four are all with the humble 24-105 (it may not have the 'zing' but it's tiny, and it really is very good).








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    Steven... thanks man for the comments. Much appreciated... yeah, I'm bummed I can't make it next week either. Really bummed.

    JLM... what a cutie pie! Darling child.

    Jono... i really like what you're getting out of the 24-105. You're right, it lacks a little bit of zing, but I think the a900 resolution makes up for that in detail captured. Oh, and i love the direct-flash b/w. Lots of character.

    Can you guys tell I'm trying to shoot more often .... a few more from this evening, all in the back yard:

    My oldest son... the sweetest, most serious kid ever:


    first lost tooth... my daughter:


    a few "around the yard" shots



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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    Shelby and Marc, how many images do you shoot and for a typical wedding? How many hours are involved start to finish for a "first class" assignment?

    Are formal type images taken with LF film gear ever requested by your clients?

    Thanks for all your posts - they are a real treat to view and study work done by "real" working pros.

    PS: Shelby, your little girl is a doll. Mother must be a real blonde.
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    Shelby and Marc, how many images do you shoot and for a typical wedding? How many hours are involved start to finish for a "first class" assignment?
    Well, I've only been at this about a year, so I don't get 1st class assignments on my own ... but as a second shooter, most days are contracted for about 8 hours of coverage... sometimes 10. I love the 6 hour days. As far as number of shots, it's according to who I'm shooting for and what the conditions are like. With the a900's sucky af-servo performance, in low light/high action, I'll double up shots often times... but given good light I always shoot for the "decisive moment". Given that, usually 1200-1600 hundred images on an 8 hour wedding.

    Like any other profession, this isn't counting the hours of prep before the wedding (charging batteries, cleaning lenses, formatting cards, organizing my bag, printing an itinerary, and so forth...)

    Are formal type images taken with LF film gear ever requested by your clients?
    What's large format?

    Actually no... and I've never shot 4x5 or larger (self taught, so I haven't gotten to film yet )

    Thanks for all your posts - they are a real treat to view and study work done by "real" working pros.
    Thanks!

    PS: Shelby, your little girl is a doll. Mother must be a real blonde.
    Actually strawberry blonde... and definitely a real blonde (if you know what I mean )

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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Tex View Post
    Shelby and Marc, how many images do you shoot and for a typical wedding? How many hours are involved start to finish for a "first class" assignment?

    Are formal type images taken with LF film gear ever requested by your clients?

    Thanks for all your posts - they are a real treat to view and study work done by "real" working pros.

    PS: Shelby, your little girl is a doll. Mother must be a real blonde.
    I've been doing this for about 10 years now. For the first 5 or so years mostly with B&W film using Leica Ms and printing silver prints myself. Most of my clients then were art directors, painters, designers, writers and musicans. Now, I'm not so lucky creatively ... but the money is better ...

    We do anywhere from 6 hours to 9 or 10 hours (which can be grueling with dimminishing returns at about hour 8). 1000 images is not uncommon, but I strive to shoot less than that. Last weekend's wedding produced 600 ... 500 of which were keepers and 172 worthy of consideration for a coffee table type album using 100 or so shots.

    The first class assignments are usually 8 hours, but I use second shooters and sometimes an assistant. Irakly Shandize shoots with me from time to time ... he uses a Leica M8 exclusively. I'm training a second shooter to do all the stuff that I don't like shooting so I can get back to what I do best ... snatching decisive moments from all the structured chaos that is a wedding.

    Clients rarely request anything more than "digital" ... a few ask for B&W film ... however, there could be a place for LF work believe it or not. There's a movement toward doing set up shots either before or after the actual wedding. I know a 4X5 shooter that gets 3K for an hour session and a large display print. There's always a place for something more exclusive with a certain level of clients.


    My website is being totally overhauled so has remained untouched ... but a better representation of my wedding work can be seen here:

    http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=540005

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    Good morning. First Light....


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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    Two more from the lowly 24-105 (my first outing with it)

    From the Marin Headlands (unbelievably windy)



    Looking towards Marin

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    Shelby - your kids look lovely
    Terry - fine shots - that lens is fun isn't it!

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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    Jono,
    Yes, that lens is a lot of fun. So small makes the body/lens combo seem like I've got the G1 .

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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Jono,
    Yes, that lens is a lot of fun. So small makes the body/lens combo seem like I've got the G1 .
    Ah, yes - it's an interesting point. Of course, it IS bigger than the G1, but not so much bigger that it hurts.

    Georg, your first light is lovely - I nearly missed it because of the small thumbnail.

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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    Georg - I like the graphic look of first light.

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    Thanks Terry, Jono.

    I am in absolute awww, just took delivery of my 135mm, unfortunately it is raining.

    F1.8 ISO500, pretty much a 100% crop. (I do not know how to make exact 100% crops, LOL)

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    full... This is the best lense i have ever owned.

    I just have to buy the other Zeiss Optics as well. WOW

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    Good innit (the lens that is)
    have you pinged the lens hood
    Flowers in the rain
    lovely subject.
    It's glorious sunshine here . . . unfortunately I'm in the office

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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    terry: love that first shot

    that a900 and the zeiss lenses is on the heavy side...I'll have to get out the scale

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    have you pinged the lens hood
    in deed

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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    1/8000 sec F5

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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    As this thread is entitled FUN pictures, here goes!
    Sony a900 at ISO 6400, processed C1 with Color Noise slider at 90%!
    1/25th F4 70 mm.
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    Hi Bill,

    Interesting. Did you have noise reduction in camera active?

    Coincidently, I am goofing around with some extreme settings in LR....Bog cotton:
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    A900 and 85mm 1.4


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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    No, Georg, strictly a RAW file with no in-camera NR.

    When I have a moment I'm going to try a two stop lower ISO (1600) with two stop underexposure to see if it gives better results, because this picture required a significant reduction in post production exposure to make the picture look like the scene as I saw it - quite dark, well after sunset.

    I'm now away for a week around the north shore of Lake Superior and will try it there!

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    Great stuff everyone... lots of fun to look at.

    From todays wedding... a few I worked up during the tortuous cf card dump (man these files are BIG). This wedding was pretty intense from the fact that I booked this last year when I was just getting started so there was no provision in the contract for a second shooter, nor an assistant.

    Totally on my own... all day.

    Missed a few things, but overall a successful wedding.











    Strobe fired by pocketwizard... ambient underexposed quite a bit to keep the sky a nice dark blue.


    Ok, I know this is a bit over the top...

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    That's a lot of bridesmaids!

    Love the bride and groom in the field.

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    First Light continued.... 5:00AM - Derryveagh Mountains

    Midges level 9! !0 means certain death


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    Bill, I believe that ISO 800 is the last real ISO you want to use with the technique you described, so maybe try ISO 800 with +3 ev instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    That's a lot of bridesmaids!

    Love the bride and groom in the field.
    Thanks!

    Georg.. lovely shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby Lewis View Post
    Thanks!

    Georg.. lovely shot.
    Thanks Shelby.

    I failed to say something about your wedding work so far, sorry about that, but this is definately not because of your work, rather because of me own disposition when it comes to weddings.

    I just can not stand weddings for the Hell of it. - Sorry! - Having said that, I looked at every one of your shots, and I fully agree with what's being said, I think there are many gems in your way of shooting that are most plesant to look at in deed. - The hands with the tiny jewlery come to my mind for example. - I admire people who can do that. Not only does it take a very advanced social disposition, something I lack because I am a rather solitude person, to be able to deal in such a social envrionment, but also advanced knowledge and post processing skills to get into a workflow that does not bog you down, but allows for speedy results. You obviously posses both Shelby!

    For what it's worth, if I would be to get married, which certainly will not happen I would not hesitate a second asking you to take the pictures! I am sure you have tons of recommendations and work up to your eyeballs, excellent!

    Best wishes
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    HI There
    I was doing a church concert last night (more on that later). after the light failed in the church, i caught this shot of Margaret (one of the organisers) outside the church. I was really pleased with it.

    A900 135 f1.8 @ f1.8 ISO 640



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    Jono, great work

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    hehehe, she's got that sparkle.... lovely Jono! Didn't know you play the organ though.... <grins>

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    Jono - you should be pleased!

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    hehehe, she's got that sparkle.... lovely Jono! Didn't know you play the organ though.... <grins>
    Gorblimey - talk about a poisoned chalice!

    It's a church do in our village (I should, at this point, emphasise my atheistic tendencies). Each year they have a concert, the funds of which go to the 'fabric of the church' (which I can manage to support).
    I get asked to do the photography. This time, I'd negotiated with the singer, and basically I had 4 songs at the start, and no flash. There were three problems.

    1. the only way to get close enough was down the main aisle - all the seats were right up against the stage.
    2. the only artificial lighting was purple, and the evening sun was catching the stained glass window behind the singers
    3. I sold my D3 to Gareth last summer

    So, I shot the A900 with the 135 f1.8 @ 600 ISO in aperture priority, and did the best I could from one angle. The only picture I'm really proud of is the one of the drummer

    Here are a few samples:














    . . . . . . and the drummer


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    Hi Tex & Terry

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Jono - you should be pleased!
    Thank you - Margaret is completely wonderful, she's 70 this year, but it's really hard to believe. Added to which she is intelligent kind and energetic . .. but I hope you can see that from the picture.

    This is one she liked (she didn't like the other one).


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    drummer....



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    Thanks Shelby.

    I failed to say something about your wedding work so far, sorry about that, but this is definately not because of your work, rather because of me own disposition when it comes to weddings.

    I just can not stand weddings for the Hell of it. - Sorry! - Having said that, I looked at every one of your shots, and I fully agree with what's being said, I think there are many gems in your way of shooting that are most plesant to look at in deed. - The hands with the tiny jewlery come to my mind for example. - I admire people who can do that. Not only does it take a very advanced social disposition, something I lack because I am a rather solitude person, to be able to deal in such a social envrionment, but also advanced knowledge and post processing skills to get into a workflow that does not bog you down, but allows for speedy results. You obviously posses both Shelby!

    For what it's worth, if I would be to get married, which certainly will not happen I would not hesitate a second asking you to take the pictures! I am sure you have tons of recommendations and work up to your eyeballs, excellent!

    Best wishes
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    Thanks Georg.

    There's one problem though... business. I'm TERRIBLE at running a business. It's the first thing in life I feel like I've not been able to "conquer"

    Music degrees... yep. Degree in design and architecture... yep. Jobs... yep. Decent work behind the camera... i guess so.

    But business. Damned!

    There's this transition point where you have too much work to handle by yourself and not enough money to pay someone else to help out... and I've been stuck in that rut for almost a year. Partially due to the economy, partially due to the fact that I've made too many clients miffed by taking a bit too long to deliver finished products. They always love what they get, but that's not enough in this day and time. People want more...and they want it yesterday!

    It's funny... come wedding day, I LOVE working with the couple and their families. I really enjoy the whole "performance" aspect of it. Making critical decisions on the fly and trying to be friendly but efficient. If I could just work alongside some other main shooter for a meager salary, I'd be in heaven.

    The rest of the time I wish I could throw my phone in the river and then move to the mountains to be alone with my family. As a matter of fact, I lost my cell phone last weekend and I've not replaced it yet!

    So... we aren't so different, lol. I'm a loner at heart.

    Ok, and I guess a bit confused

    Thanks again for such kind words!

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    Jono... fantastic portrait. Love the "mid-key" b/w conversion and the ever so beautiful rendering of the 135/1.8 in your capable hands.

    Drummer shot cracks me up... and I love it when I can find semi-directional light (is that possible?) like that. The rest of the shots look just like another day at the office for wedding photographers here state-side. Ughhh... (the lighting, not the shots)

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    One from today with the 24-70mm.

    I took quite a few shots today hoping to use Helicon Focus later but alas... the wind was so terrible I can't even post an HDR image worth presenting

    Ah well... it was good to get out.

    On top of the Grand Mesa, Whitewater Creek just before it goes over it's 200 ft. falls.

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    Shelby,

    miffed clients because they did not get it yesterday can be avoided by setting reasonable expectations in the first place. If they want you to perform towards a delivery deadline, there are two ways, you do it, and ad a premium, or you say you do not work this way and quality is your concern, not speed of delivery. I would think the latter is the better option, then again, I am no wedding chap.

    I was asked the inevitable once, to shoot a silver wedding anniversary. I felt like a fool LOL.

    Total strangers I never saw in my live were grinning into the lense as if they won the Lotto, or making dumb nut faces, expecting me to laugh?

    Then of course, the inevitable phletora of people stuffing their faces.

    No, I could not handle that, not even for money, and I refused being payed, and just gave them all photos for nothing, thanking them for the opportunity to learn a lesson. Never again will I do this for the rest of my life. - Lesson learned! -

    As for your remarks on business, it might be wise to think about time-management, and invest into some external knowledge to be transfered to you in that respect. Just a loooong shot of course.... but I found in my time as a consultant that this is the most underestimated area where you can improve rapidly and make things easier on yourself.

    Oh, btw, do refuse irish clients asking you to shoot their wedding at all costs. they will ask you to drink plenty of whiskey, and if you refuse you are in deep ****, but if accept and drink, you are in even deeper.
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    Albert, I think it is fair to say....as usual, really nice work!

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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Bill, I believe that ISO 800 is the last real ISO you want to use with the technique you described, so maybe try ISO 800 with +3 ev instead?
    I will!
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    Albert, I think it is fair to say....as usual, really nice work!
    Georg,

    Thank you very much!

    Where are you at in Ireland exactly?

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    A few from Friday's swim... the 70-300G and 135 f1.8 and Quantum QFlash T5D-R off camera.

    I think I'm gonna run a family portrait special on "Pool Shots" the next few weeks and see what happens

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    Jono,
    Nice B&W portraits of Margaret both of which captured different emotions very well.
    Now if I could only get to take a picture of my english mom like this. She hates pictures taken of her now and will not let you take one. Very nice.

    Shelby,
    Great pictures as always! Can't be that bad doing a wedding with all those pretty bridesmaids. I really like the first shot and the first kissing bride-groom shot the best.
    Looks like you got partially Uncle Bob-ed in the fourth shot, bride coming down the aisle.
    Wondering on the groom and groomsmen in the field shot did you intentionally clip the clouds in the sky? Could you have taken two shots with auto-bracketing to quickly get a properly exposed sky shot which you could blend in with the other shot exposed for the men? I totally agree with you on the business part. Maybe your wife could handle most of that part?

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    Thanks Georg... I wish I could find a fine Irish client that would allow me some fine Irish whiskey! I'm usually lucky to get water at these gigs.

    As far as time management... yeah, been there... and appreciate the words of advice. It's a long story, but this business has been lightning struck with bad personal luck (not stuff I'll go into on here), but I'm actually in a "Re-start" phase at this point. I'm not taking any new gigs (other than what's already on the books) for the next three weeks in an attempt to clean out the biz and start over. Have this majorly OCD gal coming over to re-organize my biz as well.

    The good part is that I'm also an architect and have some steady part-time work doing renderings and presentation drawings for a small firm here locally... so I do have a small amount of steady income during these hard times which allows me to slow down and regroup.

    Really looking forward to the next year though as I have some big opportunities on the horizon with some commercial and fine-art work (which I am way more suited to).

    Ok... to keep this thread on topic.. as far as the sky shot. I was working totally alone the whole day (big wedding) so I'll be honest that i split the difference with the exposure. I underexposed the foreground some and in an attempt to keep the sky enough that I could bring back the blue even if the clouds would be hopelessly blown. The shot is pretty unrealistic anyway .

    TBH... in the heat of the wedding, I wouldn't remember to use the bracketing function anyway, lol.

    Uncle Bob was pretty nice guy though... and he felt bad when he got in my way (but he still got in my way ). I'm pretty sure he was a dear friend of the family so I played the nice guy mostly but didn't mind stepping on him a few times to get the shot if needed. I do love the thrill of shooting weddings.

    A few more from yesterday in an attempt to stay on topic:





    cheers all!
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    Darn, between Shelby's weddings, and Jono's chickens, i am really getting ready to overcome my fears of noise, and pull the trigger here on the sony. Your work is so inspiring!

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    Re: Fun Pictures with Sony . . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby Lewis View Post
    Jono... fantastic portrait. Love the "mid-key" b/w conversion and the ever so beautiful rendering of the 135/1.8 in your capable hands.
    Thanks Shelby - I'm always tempted to go 'over the top' with conversions, but that seemed to be a moment for a little subtlety.

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    Drummer shot cracks me up... and I love it when I can find semi-directional light (is that possible?) like that. The rest of the shots look just like another day at the office for wedding photographers here state-side. Ughhh... (the lighting, not the shots)
    Yes - it makes me grind my teeth a little - especially when you're told there will be lighting . . . and it all turns out to be purple

    I'm with Georg on the business side . . . how does it go?
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    Covers most things (I just wish I could stick to it myself!).

    Albert those pictures are all wonderful - those girls are growing up!

    Wayne - Margaret was desperately avoiding having her picture taken - there was a bit of larking about, and then I blatted off about 20 shots over half a minute or so.

    Just this guy you know

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