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    Sony Global - Digital Imaging - α7S II

    Internal 4K recording and 5 axis stabilization.
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    Re: A7sII

    It's a real bargain !

    The new α7S II full-frame interchangeable lens digital camera from Sony will be available in Europe in November 2015, priced at approximately 3,400.
    Is it ?

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    We have a Sony EU pricing problem (why I would never buy any Sony products from sony.nl again) !

    It is US $2999 in the US.

    It is a nice upgrade.

    5fps in silent shooting mode!

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    It's a great upgrade to the original, especially if it has true raw files.

    Yet, pricing is steep, real steep. The upside to this though is that it makes the a7s a decent price relative to it and hopefully the prices will drop. I'm only interested in silent shooting and for that a 55mm 1.8 and 85mm Batis will cover everything.

    I would go so far as to say taking the P*** steep. Yet, people have been dropping 25k on Phase stuff....
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    Same sensor?
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    Re: A7sII

    Looks like the fun is over for Atmos.
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    Re: A7sII

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Same sensor?
    K-H, It would appear so but most likely the digital readout and such boards are new besides being housed in a shake mechanism..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    Looks like the fun is over for Atmos.
    Yes, and if you consider that doodah as an add on, the price is very reasonable.
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    Re: A7sII

    For me no interest but some good news all three bodies use the same accessories like vertical grips so if you need to rent than its a easier task. Nice that it is out there , but let's work on some more glass. We need long and we need wider than 25. Honestly I just need a nice 135 and a native 200.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Honestly I just need a nice 135 and a native 200.
    You will get them with the crop sensor camera (or crop from A7rII), hopefully the A6000 successor will be here soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Sony Global - Digital Imaging - α7S II

    Internal 4K recording and 5 axis stabilization.
    And S-LOG3 and better slo-mo, faster focusing in video mode and some more doo dads.

    A worthy, if pricey, upgrade.

    Add on a pile of new Zeiss lenses that can be adapted.

    And, probably, a number of new native mount lenses coming soon.

    Who'd da thunk it??

    Sony has grabbed onto this market and are pushing the high end.

    Well, not the really high end but the sort of high volume high end.

    Where do I preorder?

    -Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    Looks like the fun is over for Atmos.
    Overheating.

    4:2:0 Color Space internally.

    Waveforms Vectorscope variable position focus and a more robust codec will keep the Atomos and CD Odyssey in play for serious video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    We have a Sony EU pricing problem (why I would never buy any Sony products from sony.nl again) !

    It is US $2999 in the US.

    It is a nice upgrade.

    5fps in silent shooting mode!
    3,400 is about $3,856. That's $857 more than the US price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zlatko Batistich View Post
    3,400 is about $3,856. That's $857 more than the US price!
    The A7rII is in stock everywhere since introduction for only 3,499.

    Interestingly, the Nissin air system flash is cheaper here and is readily available as well.

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    Re: A7sII

    This is a nice camera. Congrats!

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    Re: A7sII

    Quote Originally Posted by Zlatko Batistich View Post
    €3,400 is about $3,856. That's $857 more than the US price!
    Unfortunately thats about 4 % Customs and taxes + e.g. 19 % VAT in Germany (Austria is 20% and most EU countries are similar).
    But as a pro Photographer you can deduct VAT.

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    Great new video features, but what I like most: v1 will be getting cheaper

    I'd like to do a kolari mod on the v1 as a dedicated low light shooter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zlatko Batistich View Post
    €3,400 is about $3,856. That's $857 more than the US price!
    Would that be enough for a plane ticket to the US and pick one up?

    The A7R/S II are out of my league price wise.
    Can't justify the expense right now.

    Looking forward to seeing more results from owners and the price drops on the non-IIs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Sony Global - Digital Imaging - α7S II

    Internal 4K recording and 5 axis stabilization.
    If it were 24MP I would be all over that camera but 12MP is just too little for me. Judging by the 42MP A7RII and it's high iso performance I have little doubt that a 24MP (give or take a few) version of the same BSi sensor would provide amazing high iso performance. Oh well.

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    I'm a stills photographer. Can't see a reason to upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    If it were 24MP I would be all over that camera but 12MP is just too little for me. Judging by the 42MP A7RII and it's high iso performance I have little doubt that a 24MP (give or take a few) version of the same BSi sensor would provide amazing high iso performance. Oh well.
    It puzzles me why Sony left the 24mp cams high and dry. The A7/7II aren't that impressive for low light performance (among others) compared to the competition (=> Nikon D750).

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    Agree they really should give us the R2 in a 24 MPX package. At around 1900. I would buy it as my backup cam for sure and really my PR cam as I certainly don't need 42mpx here.
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    It seems we have to wait another six months for the 16MP BSI sIII ...
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    Re: A7sII

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    It seems we have to wait another six months for the 16MP BSI sIII ...
    If there is another A7s (3?)and if it is 4K, it will still have a 12mp sensor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    I'm a stills photographer. Can't see a reason to upgrade.

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    Sony is video centered in so many of their choices with all these cameras and the native lenses. I just wish they would focus on making one model with the still features and performance as priority 1. Some major housekeeping would help, like making more critical features mapable. e.g. EVF/LCD toggle on body. IBIS on/off.

    They are so ADD. Brilliant features alongside old testament menus and lossy RAWs. Drives me crazy

    But the low light performance of this camera is ground breaking, to put it mildly.

    80% of that performance in a 18mp body, really finished, how nice would that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    If there is another A7s (3?)and if it is 4K, it will still have a 12mp sensor.
    Correct. If the main purpose is to shoot 4K, increasing to 16mp is only a disadvantage; smaller pixels and the need to crop the sensor.

    Does anybody know if it can shoot 4K and use IBIS at the same time? I can't find it mentioned anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Overheating.

    4:2:0 Color Space internally.

    Waveforms Vectorscope variable position focus and a more robust codec will keep the Atomos and CD Odyssey in play for serious video.

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    Bob, I think you nailed it.

    Nobody has said anything yet as no cameras have shipped yet, but my money is down on the same internal over heating problems for anything but short clips the A7R II suffers from. The A7S II is basically the same sensor let's not forget that ran too hot in the current A7S to record 4k internal. If 5 min clips are all you want, that may not be a problem. For real production though, another option is still going to be necessary.

    I can also say with certainty that comes from doing it that there is a big difference trying to capture and grade 8 bit 4:2:0 and working with 10 bit Prores 422. I had not expected the difference would be as dramatic, but the Assassin 4k files are worlds more robust and "thicker" than the 1080P that comes out of the camera. The fact that it is all a color calibrated workflow is also nice. The color is bang on, without that red channel boost the internal 1080P always seems to have. Once you start pushing those fat 4k files around there is no going back either... you get hooked quickly.

    I've only had my Assassin for a week now, but after working with it the first shoot there was no way I will ever go back to just the camera rear screen unless I am out street shooing and need covert cover. Working with that big honking 7" 1080P HD monitor makes it easy for folks to spot you, but it also makes focus checking cake, and since it will use a LUT, actually seeing what your lighting, focus, and colors look like as your shooting is a real dream. My only regret is I waited this long, I should have bought the Shogun when it came out, but hard to justify the cost. The Assassin is all I need, and a great accessory for any video shooter at $1,300 in the US.

    I'm crossing my fingers that Sony has been able to keep the new camera cool enough to go for half an hour at a time, and if they have I will be looking to get one. If the video isn't flawless and reliable though, I am just as likely to spend less money buying a bargain basement priced lightly used second A7S and a second Assassin for my B camera rig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Jones View Post

    I'm crossing my fingers that Sony has been able to keep the new camera cool enough to go for half an hour at a time, and if they have I will be looking to get one.
    Chuck,

    Offloading the 4K seems to make a huge difference on camera temp ... not running the chip in overload mode.

    I was shooting in 102F this summer and my CD Odyssey 7Q+ was over 60C and giving me warning signals but
    the A7s was fine. The CD did not shut down and the files were fine but is was hot enough that you did not want to touch
    it.

    Matt Allard has a first look here: http://www.newsshooter.com/2015/09/1...a7s-ii-camera/

    S Log 3 and better color similar to the A7R II and a base ISO at 1600 will make the camera very appealing...however the new FS5
    really is a better camera and is about the price of two A7s and Assassins ... and it does 10 bit natively.

    Bob

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