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    Thumbs up Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    https://alphauniverse.com/stories/so...new---cameras/

    Only for A7rII and A7sII. That is good news!

    What about the others?
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    https://alphauniverse.com/stories/so...new---cameras/

    Only for A7rII and A7sII. That is good news!

    What about the others?
    As you can see from the quote from the article it says 'beginning with' so I presume firmware updates should follow for the older models.
    Additionally, they have announced plans to add user selectable compressed or uncompressed 14-Bit RAW still image capture via firmware update to additional cameras beginning with the recently introduced α7R II full-frame mirrorless model.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    I hope it will be available for the others (older models with E mount) as well. I would have liked that spelled out.

    The original NEX-5N onwards, I use many cams. Not just FF NEX cams.

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    https://alphauniverse.com/stories/so...new---cameras/

    Only for A7rII and A7sII. That is good news!

    What about the others?
    Seems you really have to trade-in your MM now, Vivek ...

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I hope it will be available for the others (older models with E mount) as well. I would have liked that spelled out.

    The original NEX-5N onwards, I use many cams. Not just FF NEX cams.
    Dreaming ? May be that they will keep it for FF bodies only.

    At least I hope that the A7r will get it, since I don't plan to buy the A7rII for the moment. (I love the smaller body).

    But that is a great new already.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    https://alphauniverse.com/stories/so...new---cameras/

    Only for A7rII and A7sII. That is good news!

    What about the others?
    Great news! Finally rid of that weak link that trolls get to go on and on about! But very silly of Sony not to provide it from the start on a camera clearly positioned at the pro market.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Hi Anna T,

    Sony seems to be delivering on this count as well.

    After having used the A7r2 a lot, indeed, the A7r feels small in my hands.
    Amazing, what a difference of a few mm makes.

    IMHO the A7r2 has a more refined user interface though. I like it.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Dreaming ? May be that they will keep it for FF bodies only.

    At least I hope that the A7r will get it, since I don't plan to buy the A7rII for the moment. (I love the smaller body).

    But that is a great new already.
    I expect the A6000 successor to have it in already.

    (It would be superb if they would offer FW updates for the older models.)
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I expect the A6000 successor to have it in already.

    (It would be superb if they would offer FW updates for the older models.)
    Thanks Vivek. I agree, starting with the NEX-5N.
    That's a really nice little cam I still like using.
    I prefer it relative to the NEX-7.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Great news, really happy about this. When?
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    I think it's a good move by Sony But I would be surprised if Sony extends it to cameras that either don't have the new menu or didn't start with ARW 2.3.1
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    It could be a processing issue for other cams that may not have the horsepower and would downgrade there specs. People will bitch on this one but I'm fine with it. I'm all new cams anyway

    I'm talking buffer and things of this nature
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    It could be a processing issue for other cams that may not have the horsepower and would downgrade there specs. People will bitch on this one but I'm fine with it. I'm all new cams anyway

    I'm talking buffer and things of this nature
    That may very well be (processing power) but I hope Sony takes Sony user complaints more seriously than the general "bitchin' " .

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    That may very well be (processing power) but I hope Sony takes Sony user complaints more seriously than the general "bitchin' " .

    Me too. I'm sure once the As hits the market we will see a trickle down effect. All good news. Maybe Sony will start thinking a little more photographer than engineer going forward.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Great news, really happy about this. When?
    The article says October - together with the launch of the A7SII which will have it from the start.
    So I would understand there will be a firmware upgrade for the A7RII also in October.

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Great news . I can deal with October
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    One thing: most likely the arw files will be significantly larger, the writing speed will go down and probably no more full 5 images/sec and also the buffer numbers will be smaller.
    Actually not an issue, because the landscape and studio people will not be affected by this.
    because photography is more than technology - and " as we have done this all the time "
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by ShooterSteve View Post
    Great news! Finally rid of that weak link that trolls get to go on and on about! But very silly of Sony not to provide it from the start on a camera clearly positioned at the pro market.


    I am glad Sony is finally listening, but as you say, one has to wonder why Sony didn't do this right from the start.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    I am glad Sony is finally listening, but as you say, one has to wonder why Sony didn't do this right from the start.
    I think Sony is a bit in the position that Canon fell into when they launched Video with the 5DMK2.
    the success in the pro Market is NOT what I think they are aiming to primarily.
    Sony is looking for numbers and that is achieved by a semipro highend user.
    The fact this camera is now wiping floor with the Pro Market also, is a secondary effect I guess.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    I think Sony is a bit in the position that Canon fell into when they launched Video with the 5DMK2.
    the success in the pro Market is NOT what I think they are aiming to primarily.
    Sony is looking for numbers and that is achieved by a semipro highend user.
    The fact this camera is now wiping floor with the Pro Market also, is a secondary effect I guess.
    Agree and it's current raw was really coming from the video side of the house but the tide is changing for Sony and getting more serious still shooters. So they have to address this and good to see they did.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Hi Anna T,

    Sony seems to be delivering on this count as well.

    After having used the A7r2 a lot, indeed, the A7r feels small in my hands.
    Amazing, what a difference of a few mm makes.

    IMHO the A7r2 has a more refined user interface though. I like it.

    I hope that Sony will issue other bodies with the shape of the first A7r, adding some refinements of the A7rII, like the silent shutter or first electronic shutter curtain and a BSI sensor. IBIS may be too much to keep the size down. So for the moment I have decided against the A7rII : too expensive, too big (for me), too many pixels (36 is already plenty for what I do).
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    The info I read says that it will be user selectable, which is the best solution.
    Higher bit rate for those needing it. Smaller files with quicker write times for those needing it.
    Or more importantly, for situations needing it.

    Thinking back to film when one would select the emulsion and developer based on the desired outcome, we will soon have a camera with the same capabilities for raw files. The option has been there for JPG for a long time.

    Ironically, once implemented it will be another benefit with which Canon and Nikon will have to contend.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I expect the A6000 successor to have it in already.

    (It would be superb if they would offer FW updates for the older models.)
    Yes, you may be right on the count of the A6000 successor. As for the older models, I'm not even sure they will offer it for the first A7 mk1.

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    I hope that Sony will issue other bodies with the shape of the first A7r, adding some refinements of the A7rII, like the silent shutter or first electronic shutter curtain and a BSI sensor. IBIS may be too much to keep the size down. So for the moment I have decided against the A7rII : too expensive, too big (for me), too many pixels (36 is already plenty for what I do).
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    And 8 new FE lenses in Spring 2016:

    http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/hot-s...alpha-cameras/

    I hope Zeiss announces a few more Batis lenses, too. I'm insatiable.

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    And 8 new FE lenses in Spring 2016:

    http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/hot-s...alpha-cameras/

    I hope Zeiss announces a few more Batis lenses, too. I'm insatiable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    I hope Zeiss announces a few more Batis lenses, too.
    Yes; 135mm 1.8 (or thereabouts)!
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    Damn. Now all those crappy pictures I take won't be the camera's fault...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmward View Post
    The info I read says that it will be user selectable, which is the best solution.
    Higher bit rate for those needing it. Smaller files with quicker write times for those needing it.
    Or more importantly, for situations needing it.

    Thinking back to film when one would select the emulsion and developer based on the desired outcome, we will soon have a camera with the same capabilities for raw files. The option has been there for JPG for a long time.

    Ironically, once implemented it will be another benefit with which Canon and Nikon will have to contend.
    When it says user selectable, is there any advantage to "uncompressed 14 bit RAW", as opposed to compressed 14 bit RAW? I assume it would be lossless compression? In which case file size, write speed, etc would be less compromised.
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    Terrific news. Kudos for Sony to listening to their users on this issue, even if it was a quite vocal minority and took, uhh, a while.

    These sensors deserve uncompromised RAW output, and now we'll finally get it.

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    Would be great for my magnificent RX1r, but somehow I don't hold my breath.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Well, it sounds like good news, but there really is no mention of the 'lossy' compression in there that I saw...

    I don't care about the file being compressed (I prefer that it is), but the compression should be lossless, not lossy. Clearly, an uncompressed RAW file should be lossless, but it will also be much, much larger. 50%, if I recall from the a900.

    So, why don't they just do a lossless compression and be done with it? It seems like this fix is a half-measure that will work, but isn't really the best solution.

    Either way, if I can get it on my a7r, I'll be happier. I was working on some files last night that seemed to start to fall apart under the strain of dodging and burning (B&W images). I'll have to print them to see how they look, but they certainly look like they could use a little more information in the files.


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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    There are comments on other fora suggesting that lossless compression math is more complicated than lossy, suggesting that Sony opting for no compress full bit files is the fast road to a solution. It also raises the question about how much additional processor power would be used for lossless compress to the determent of other performance demands on the processor.

    I will be happy for the option, letting me decide when I want all the data and when I want extra performance.

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Of course, eventually 14 bit lossless compressed raw data is the way to go.

    As 14 bit raw will be implemented on current hardware already in our hands the question becomes to which degree is it necessary to balance processing power - bandwidth - storage capacity demands to make this work, I think.
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    The heavens have parted, along with it the end of hunger, disease and war. Oops, I meant Sony is going with 14 bit RAW! Same thing though.

    But is it the "right" 14 bit uncompressed RAW? Already, some in "another" forum are assuming a toy manufacturer like Sony will make the wrong choice.

    Cynicism aside, the best news here is the end of the (non) controversy. Now it's time for more photos, hopefully using the new Batis lenses!
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    14bit uncompressed Raw? Huge files that slow everything way down. We were hoping for 14bit compressed lossless files as with the Nikons. Would be the best of both worlds. Maybe down the road...

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    I'm skeptical about this making any meaningful improvement in image quality but I'll be happy to be proven wrong. In the case of both Leica and Sony cameras, I think the initial decision to go with lossy compression was made by engineering, while the move to lossless was purely a marketing thing.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    That's it exactly. Thank heavens it will be a user option.

    Now we have to see how many options? Will we have a choice between compressed/lossy, compressed/unlossy and uncompressed/unlossy?

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Probably all will agree that its likely to impact only a small percentage of files.
    What I like is having the option, via menu and shooting parameter to choose between lossy, lossless and 32 bit floating point files.

    I can't think of a situation those three options can't handle.

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    One of the "possible" benefits I have seen mentioned is an increase in dynamic range..

    For this to happen, would Sony have to introduce a "64 ISO" as part of their firmware? From what I understand, this is how Nikon is able to gain a dynamic range over the Sony (Nikon 810 compared to Sony A7R)


    Not really related to compression but I would love to see some additional crop modes added as part of a firmware upgrade by Sony! 1:1 and 4:5 please!!

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by dmward View Post
    Probably all will agree that its likely to impact only a small percentage of files.
    What I like is having the option, via menu and shooting parameter to choose between lossy, lossless and 32 bit floating point files.

    I can't think of a situation those three options can't handle.
    The contention was that being a "pro" (the original A7r was also sold as a "pro") grade camera to offer lossless files and not many disputed that (whether it was needed or not was a different matter). Good to have this option.

    IIRC, the Nikon D200 offered a choice between lossless uncompressed RAW and lossless compressed RAW (smaller files). That was useful.

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Great news . I can deal with October
    Hopefully in time for fall color!
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Vivek, it will be curious to witness that once this new RAW option becomes available if or just how many long time Sony users will use it or just keep using the current RAW format. I am sure at first everyone will play with the uncompressed RAW but in the end? Might be interesting to watch.

    As on another thread if Canon and Nikon both develop high end FF mirrorless cameras and their lost souls return to their flocks I wonder just how long Sony will continue to make various RAW formats available in future cameras? I say this due to the fact in neither the A mount specific nor the apc E mount specific forums can I recall even one thread complaining about the current Sony RAW format.... Then again those specific forums have much fewer lost souls.

    I really hope the Canikon companies do create a super mirrorless .... And I will find the new RAW usage a interesting item to watch because I can see storm cloud on the horizon starting to form because this new RAW may not be the type some wanted. Personally I will try whatever new RAW formats Sony delivers but if I see no difference and it creates additional issues in my workflow I will continue with what I have used on every Sony camera since the a900 days .... It has worked for me and kept a roof over my head and food on the table for all these year's while some feel we have been crippled by the lack of what they may be use to and push exposure limit past extremes to show the error of our ways. This will be a interesting issue to witness as to its outcome 5 years down the road whether it is kept or not. There are reasons why corporate engineering do what they do and they don't take cost/reward studies lightly.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

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    if I see no difference I will continue with what I have used on every Sony camera since the a900 days
    I will do the opposite, same as I do on my Nikon D810, if I see no difference I will use the uncompressed file option or a lossyless compressed one if it will be made available (who knows?). The problem I see in the present compressed file is not only the fact that is lossy but that the two stage compression as it is provided can easily create problems around high contrast edges and I prefer not to take that risk.
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

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    Vivek, it will be curious to witness that once this new RAW option becomes available if or just how many long time Sony users will use it or just keep using the current RAW format. I am sure at first everyone will play with the uncompressed RAW but in the end? Might be interesting to watch.

    As on another thread if Canon and Nikon both develop high end FF mirrorless cameras and their lost souls return to their flocks I wonder just how long Sony will continue to make various RAW formats available in future cameras? I say this due to the fact in neither the A mount specific nor the apc E mount specific forums can I recall even one thread complaining about the current Sony RAW format.... Then again those specific forums have much fewer lost souls.

    I really hope the Canikon companies do create a super mirrorless .... And I will find the new RAW usage a interesting item to watch because I can see storm cloud on the horizon starting to form because this new RAW may not be the type some wanted. Personally I will try whatever new RAW formats Sony delivers but if I see no difference I will continue with what I have used on every Sony camera since the a900 days .... It has worked for me and kept a roof over my head and food on the table for all these year's while some feel we have been crippled by the lack of what they may be use to and push exposure limit past extremes to show the error of our ways. This will be a interesting issue to witness as to its outcome 5 years down the road whether it is kept or not. There are reasons why corporate engineering do what they do and they don't take cost/reward studies lightly.
    Jim, I agree with what Ario said.

    These "engineering" talk (not directed at you, mind you) was invoked to justify the plastic E mounts, btw. The mount was "engineered" to break when a heavy lens was mounted instead of warping the mount plane and such. Now we know that is false.

    I also hope to see those Canon or Nikon supermirrorless possibilities.

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    Im on a wait and see basis. See what they do here
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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    If all this pans out (true, selectable uncompressed (or much less lossy) RAW in the A7RII) the Sony A7RII will make the D810 a hard sell for landscape and architecture. It kinda already is. I am sure that the A7RII files will improve and if the camera is retested by DXo it will end up with an even better score.

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    Vivek, it will be curious to witness that once this new RAW option becomes available if or just how many long time Sony users will use it or just keep using the current RAW format. I am sure at first everyone will play with the uncompressed RAW but in the end? Might be interesting to watch.

    As on another thread if Canon and Nikon both develop high end FF mirrorless cameras and their lost souls return to their flocks I wonder just how long Sony will continue to make various RAW formats available in future cameras? I say this due to the fact in neither the A mount specific nor the apc E mount specific forums can I recall even one thread complaining about the current Sony RAW format.... Then again those specific forums have much fewer lost souls.

    I really hope the Canikon companies do create a super mirrorless .... And I will find the new RAW usage a interesting item to watch because I can see storm cloud on the horizon starting to form because this new RAW may not be the type some wanted. Personally I will try whatever new RAW formats Sony delivers but if I see no difference and it creates additional issues in my workflow I will continue with what I have used on every Sony camera since the a900 days .... It has worked for me and kept a roof over my head and food on the table for all these year's while some feel we have been crippled by the lack of what they may be use to and push exposure limit past extremes to show the error of our ways. This will be a interesting issue to witness as to its outcome 5 years down the road whether it is kept or not. There are reasons why corporate engineering do what they do and they don't take cost/reward studies lightly.
    Jim, you seem to be clinging to the notion that the high-end camera market is comprised of "flocks" of loyalists who are eternally satisfied with whatever their particular camera maker delivers. You refer to Canon and Nikon users who have migrated to Sony as "lost souls" who may return to their "flocks" once Canon and Nikon introduce mirrorless cameras that are competitive with the a7x series.

    On the contrary, Sony changed the dynamics of the camera landscape with the introduction of the a7/a7R/a7S. Amateurs and professionals alike who had been using other brands switched to Sony and have been very happy with their choice. Sony has garnered market share from DSLR makers as well as from manufacturers of other mirrorless (and rangefinder) offerings. With the introduction of the a7RII, and with the complementary introduction of several pro-grade lenses, Sony has solidified their market advantage and accelerated the migration.

    Sony may have in fact been surprised by the rapid adoption of the a7x series cameras, especially by working professionals. As a consequence, Sony has made an effort to listen to its customers, both old and new, and make the a7x a more robust and versatile professional tool. Strengthening the lens mount, as Vivek pointed out, is one of the improvements that resulted. Better ergonomics and weather sealing, IBIS, better AF, etc. are other examples of Sony recognizing its newly acquired market position and responding. And has been exhaustively been discussed, providing an option for recording files as either uncompressed RAW or lossless compressed RAW in addition to their historical lossy compressed RAW format is merely a response to their newly expanded customer base. Those improvements are here to stay. Sony engineers won't revert to some earlier design choices just because/if Nikon and Canon enter the mirrorless fray.

    I have no doubt that you're satisfied with the current lossy RAW format, as many longtime Sony photographers are. Likewise, many [Sony, Nikon, Canon, Fuji, Olympus, etc.] shooters are satisfied with the JPEG format and use the various in-camera processing options to produce very artistic results. There's no problem with either approach. No one can argue with a choice that "kept a roof over my head and food on the table". Having said that, Sony had, until now, failed to include in the a7x cameras a choice of RAW format that many photographers, both old and new, had become accustomed to using - uncompressed RAW and/or lossless compressed RAW. By moving in that direction, Sony is demonstrating that they're listening to their customers and upping their game. That's a good thing.

    Maybe I'm one of the "lost souls" you're referring to. I consider myself brand-agnostic. I've used Nikon, Leica, Pentax, Phase One, Hasselblad, Cambo, Alpa and now Sony digital, and many film brands before digital. My first digital camera was a Sony Mavica. After choosing the Sony a7RII (and having used the a7R for a year), I've now sold all my Nikon equipment (with the exception of the D810 and a 500mm lens) and won't be returning to my "flock". IMHO, the a7RII is the best camera of 2015 and may be the best 35mm full-frame digital camera ever.

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    There are reasons why corporate engineering do what they do and they don't take cost/reward studies lightly.
    I know. I ran one of those "corporate engineering" groups at AT&T Bell Labs for 30 years and understand how design decisions are made. The decision to include uncompressed RAW was well thought out and will [likely] be well received. It's here to stay. I applaud Sony for listening.

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    Re: Uncompressed 14bit RAW

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    Vivek, it will be curious to witness that once this new RAW option becomes available if or just how many long time Sony users will use it or just keep using the current RAW format. I am sure at first everyone will play with the uncompressed RAW but in the end? Might be interesting to watch.

    As on another thread if Canon and Nikon both develop high end FF mirrorless cameras and their lost souls return to their flocks I wonder just how long Sony will continue to make various RAW formats available in future cameras? I say this due to the fact in neither the A mount specific nor the apc E mount specific forums can I recall even one thread complaining about the current Sony RAW format.... Then again those specific forums have much fewer lost souls.

    I really hope the Canikon companies do create a super mirrorless .... And I will find the new RAW usage a interesting item to watch because I can see storm cloud on the horizon starting to form because this new RAW may not be the type some wanted. Personally I will try whatever new RAW formats Sony delivers but if I see no difference and it creates additional issues in my workflow I will continue with what I have used on every Sony camera since the a900 days .... It has worked for me and kept a roof over my head and food on the table for all these year's while some feel we have been crippled by the lack of what they may be use to and push exposure limit past extremes to show the error of our ways. This will be a interesting issue to witness as to its outcome 5 years down the road whether it is kept or not. There are reasons why corporate engineering do what they do and they don't take cost/reward studies lightly.
    The Sony A7R2 is already such a powerhouse of technology that no company, not Canon and not Nikon, has the ability to just blow past it in one fell swoop.

    The lens selection for the FE line is also filling out so quickly and with such good lenses that any advantage Canon and Nikon have is being rapidly eroded.

    Look at m4/3's. The lens selection there started out very thin and is now quite substantial in only a few years.

    With Sony showing signs of listening better to actual customers they may develop future products that people are asking for as well as continuing to make products we didn't realize we wanted.

    Just a few months ago, I would have applied the moniker super mirrorless to any camera that is as versatile and powerful as the A7R2. The Eye Detect AF, IBIS, 4K internal video and truely astounding BSI sensor are all just part of a tour de force packaged into a genuinely small FF camera body. How is that not a super mirrorless?

    Going forward, there is plenty I want to see from Sony as well. More consistency with lens quality, better service, a true sports camera, better AF, bigger buffers and the ability to take frame grabs straight out of the camera would all be on my wish list.

    I also hope Canon and Nikon join the mirrorless fray because I have left the ancient land of optical viewfinders that don't magnify and don't work in the dark and don't review images and entered the glorious land of tiny televisions that deliver the itty bitty digital images that my brain has been conditioned to accept as reality.

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    Bill I don't know if you own a a77II but honestly it is a tough to beat AF system for speed and accuracy ........ here one from yesterday shot handheld with the a77II and a 150-600mm from quite a distance with clear blue skies and a 50% crop at somewhere between 500mm-550mm which is a effective FOV of a near 800mm on a 35mm body.



    It balances well with the 150-600 and has a very fast frame rate and buffer... not bad for a $800 body..... it's not a low light king but isn't all that bad either compared to the original a77.


    Service? I can't argue with anyone there.... it was totally idiotic to farm this process out when their in house process was so excellent. I went with the Sony Pro Service Support program just to have someone with some leverage on my side if I needed service.......
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