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    Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    It seems that Voigtländer is going to announce a new line of E-mount lenses. They should be tiny ! and some say they will be full frame. At least that is what Sonyalpharumors pretends.

    Good news if that is true
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Let us see what transpires. The Cosina lenses, if "tiny", should be good on APS-C cams as the FF cams are getting bigger and bigger, suitable for the Cosina made Batii and the other bird line.

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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    voigtlaender announces e-mount lenses

    • 10 mm F 5,6 Hyper-Wide-Heliar
    • 12 mm F 5,6 Ultra-Wide-Heliar
    • 15 mm F 4,5 Super-Wide-Heliar


    Nice!

    Looks like I'll be re-buying the 12mm for the 4th time.
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    10mm for me. Will decide on the mount (m or e).

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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    So the 10mm must be the widest FF lens available in non-fisheye format.

    This is great news although 5.6 is too slow for night photography, but if the overall lens size/heft is small it would make a great addition to an increasingly useful lineup.

    Right now, if fast action or long zoom is not your need, the A7 system is pretty much the best camera out there.
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    voigtlaender announces e-mount lenses

    • 10 mm F 5,6 Hyper-Wide-Heliar
    • 12 mm F 5,6 Ultra-Wide-Heliar
    • 15 mm F 4,5 Super-Wide-Heliar


    Nice!

    Looks like I'll be re-buying the 12mm for the 4th time.
    Are those lenses really for FF ? they are so wide.. They seem more adapted for APSC format. The 10mm could be interesting for astrophotography, if it wasn't so slow. I guess that is the price to pay to get compact lenses. But they are one stop slower than I expected.

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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post
    So the 10mm must be the widest FF lens available in non-fisheye format.

    This is great news although 5.6 is too slow for night photography, but if the overall lens size/heft is small it would make a great addition to an increasingly useful lineup.

    Right now, if fast action or long zoom is not your need, the A7 system is pretty much the best camera out there.
    Hoping in a few weeks Sonys lens announcements address the long.

    I'm not going to replace my 15 version III with the FE mount but have to say for the money not much would touch the 15mm it's that darn good. The 12mm will get upgraded to the Version III which the A7RII will handle wonderfully and the 10 is brand new. So overall maybe slightly slow these are some nice additions to the FE line which seems to be growing daily. If the prices stay around 800 these will be nice bargains .
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Phew! so close to order the 12mm!! 10mm here i come!
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    The 10 has my eye. Lol
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Disappointed that there is no 21mm - this is beginning to be a real hole in the FE range.

    There may be an announcement about a 21mm Loxia in the offing next week according to SAR.

    Even so I would prefer a 21mm Batis.

    Making do with the CV 21 Ultron but not optimal.

    Ho-hum.

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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Disappointed that there is no 21mm - this is beginning to be a real hole in the FE range.

    There may be an announcement about a 21mm Loxia in the offing next week according to SAR.

    Even so I would prefer a 21mm Batis.

    Making do with the CV 21 Ultron but not optimal.

    Ho-hum.

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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    I rented the 12mm M mount on my A7S and it compared very favorably to the Sigma 12-24 in a-mount. I'll get either the 12mm or the 10mm depending on the quality of the latter. Having a native e-mount super wide angle is a dream that I didn't even imagine would happen this soon. It's a little slow but so nice and small. And with the high ISO capability of the A7S it becomes quite attractive for night sky use.
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    "Slow" lenses? Don't worry, the A7R Mk III will probably do a clean ISO 1M+ Only reason for large-aperture optics anymore is for shallower DOF (but mostly for bragging rights!)

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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    10mm? I wonder if I can squeeze in a car using one?
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    10mm? I wonder if I can squeeze in a car using one?
    Even those little smart cars. Lol

    Be a fun dog view lens. Lol
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    How would this work ...

    If enabled the camera changes automatically in magnifying mode during focusing which allows highest accuracy.
    All lens-relevant data such as focal length, aperture and focal distance are transmitted to the camera.
    This data is shown in the view finder/display and used for metering and image stabilisation.
    Pretty cool !
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    They are all made by Cosina. Only different tags.
    I know that. But only the Loxia and Batis meter without having to physically stop down.

    I would be interested to know if these lenses have intelligence or whether they are just the existing lenses on an E mount.

    EDIT: OK, I see they are intelligent. I don't wish to troll but it is a damn shame there is no 21mm!

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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Are those lenses really for FF ? they are so wide.. They seem more adapted for APSC format. The 10mm could be interesting for astrophotography, if it wasn't so slow. I guess that is the price to pay to get compact lenses. But they are one stop slower than I expected.
    I'm confused, too. They appear to be offering the same lens in E-mount and M-mount -- APS-C and FF. What am I missing here?

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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    I'm confused, too. They appear to be offering the same lens in E-mount and M-mount -- APS-C and FF. What am I missing here?
    They all seem to be FF. What's new vs. the adapted M mount version is EXIF contacts with focal length, aperture and focus distance as well as the possibility to trigger automatic focus magnification by turning the focus ring.
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    voigtlaender announces e-mount lenses

    • 10 mm F 5,6 Hyper-Wide-Heliar
    • 12 mm F 5,6 Ultra-Wide-Heliar
    • 15 mm F 4,5 Super-Wide-Heliar


    Nice!

    Looks like I'll be re-buying the 12mm for the 4th time.
    I own Mike's 3rd copy of the 12mm. 12mm seems pretty wide on full-frame. I would wait to see what can be done with 10mm. I just hope that they got our hint at Voigtlander and don't put a fixed hood on these (but I doubt it.)
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    I'll probably replace my 15mm vIII with the native E-mount 15mm when released. I'm not a fan of adapters and the native lens with EXIF passed to the camera eliminates some hassles (using LensTagger to add EXIF in LR, for example). The 10mm and 12mm are interesting, but probably too wide for most of what I do. They'd be fun to play with though.

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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    This is great news. The benefit of exif and auto magnification is a real selling point for me. I predict a lot of people will get the 10mm and for me that's the real interesting lens in this announcement, can't wait to see the tests from the early adopters.

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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    The 10mm must look absolutely crazy! Would be fun to try.

    I like that they had to find a different word to describe each step wider: Super — Ultra — Hyper.
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zlatko Batistich View Post
    The 10mm must look absolutely crazy! Would be fun to try.

    I like that they had to find a different word to describe each step wider: Super — Ultra — Hyper.

    Great choice of words, also in the right order!
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Hmm. No interest in E-mount anymore, but this:

    VM-Mount
    Voigtländer continues its VM-Mount digital optimization with the new 12 mm F 5,6 Ultra-Wide-Heliar III. Additionally Voigtländer will also release the new 10 mm F 5,6 Hyper-Wide-Heliar with VM-Mount.

    sounds very amusing. I might have to try the 10mm ...

    f=10mm
    AoV-H=121.89°
    AoV-V=100.39°
    AoV-D=130.38°

    and AoV-D=90° (a 20-21 mm lens) seemed ultra, ultra wide once upon a time!

    :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    voigtlaender announces e-mount lenses

    • 10 mm F 5,6 Hyper-Wide-Heliar
    • 12 mm F 5,6 Ultra-Wide-Heliar
    • 15 mm F 4,5 Super-Wide-Heliar


    Nice!

    Looks like I'll be re-buying the 12mm for the 4th time.
    Mike:
    I've only had a short chance to work with the M-mount 12mm adapted to an FE camera. I compared it to the 12-24 Sigma and thought it was pretty good for such a wide lens. Since you've used it a bunch of times I'd be very interested in getting your take on it. Can you share your thoughts on its strengths and weaknesses?
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    Since you've used it a bunch of times I'd be very interested in getting your take on it. Can you share your thoughts on its strengths and weaknesses?
    I first used the 12mm on a Leica M9, coded to use the camera's built-in corrections which overcame (mostly) its vignetting and color shading. But it was a hassle, because it required an external viewfinder. So I sold it.

    When I got a M240, with its rudimentary EVF, I decided to try again. Nice results, but still requiring post processing to deal with its limitations. I didn't use it much, so sold it again.

    Most recently, I used one with an A7S, which was a lovely combination, especially now that Lightroom has a profile for the lens. When the A7Rii arrived, it was even better; the new sensor seems much better matched to the lens. But again it didn't get used very much, and now that I have all native lenses, I missed having EXIF data from the lens. So, sold again.

    This newly announced version, featuring the 'version III' treatment should have none of the edge challenges of the current model, and the addition of electronics for EXIF and focus magnification sounds like the perfect combination. (although you barely need to focus that lens; everything is always in focus.)

    The 12mm, as well as the 10mm, are rather specialized tools, but for some shots they are fantastic.

    This one with the A7S
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post

    Most recently, I used one with an A7S, which was a lovely combination, especially now that Lightroom has a profile for the lens. When the A7Rii arrived, it was even better; the new sensor seems much better matched to the lens. But again it didn't get used very much, and now that I have all native lenses, I missed having EXIF data from the lens. So, sold again.

    This newly announced version, featuring the 'version III' treatment should have none of the edge challenges of the current model, and the addition of electronics for EXIF and focus magnification sounds like the perfect combination. (although you barely need to focus that lens; everything is always in focus.)

    The 12mm, as well as the 10mm, are rather specialized tools, but for some shots they are fantastic.

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    Thanks for the quick reply. Yes it's definitely a specialized usage lens. Very dramatic. Those shots really show the kinds of shots where this lens provides something unique.
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    2) Is the profile for chromatic aberrration and distortion?
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    1) With repsect to the lightroom profile, does it matter if the lens is used on a Sony camera or a Leica?
    2) Is the profile for chromatic aberrration and distortion?
    1 - If I understand it correctly, there are actually different profiles applied by Lightroom, depending on the camera. You just choose the lens and LR will do the right thing.

    2 - Yes, but the primary effect is to remove vignetting in the corners, which is pretty strong. (varies with the specific camera.)

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    I hope this mean we will soon see the entire Voigtlander VM lens line optimized for E-mount. I wouldn't mind having a native 35/1.2 Nokton on my Sony with full EXIF intact. It was one of my favorite "street" and low light lenses on my M9. Probably the closest anyone has gotten to a "35 Noctilux."

    I wouldn't mind if they recreated the cropped sensored f/0.95 series (21, 35, 50, and 85 equivalents) either for full frame as long as they kept them to sub-$2,000 prices. Yes I know they wouldn't be "tiny" but they could be interesting for those of us that walked away from Leica and still like manual focus lenses at times.
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I hope this mean we will soon see the entire Voigtlander VM lens line optimized for E-mount. I wouldn't mind having a native 35/1.2 Nokton on my Sony with full EXIF intact. It was one of my favorite "street" and low light lenses on my M9. Probably the closest anyone has gotten to a "35 Noctilux."

    I wouldn't mind if they recreated the cropped sensored f/0.95 series (21, 35, 50, and 85 equivalents) either for full frame as long as they kept them to sub-$2,000 prices. Yes I know they wouldn't be "tiny" but they could be interesting for those of us that walked away from Leica and still like manual focus lenses at times.
    Tre, I would love that but I am not certain that will happen. Unfortunately, zeiss use Cosina to build all their lenses and dictate what gets made. Likely, they would not let Cosina make a Tuit or Pelvis competitor. The end of APO Lanthar 125/2.5 is rumored to have been a result of Zeiss/Cosina 100/2 Macro Planar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I hope this mean we will soon see the entire Voigtlander VM lens line optimized for E-mount. I wouldn't mind having a native 35/1.2 Nokton on my Sony with full EXIF intact. It was one of my favorite "street" and low light lenses on my M9. Probably the closest anyone has gotten to a "35 Noctilux."

    I wouldn't mind if they recreated the cropped sensored f/0.95 series (21, 35, 50, and 85 equivalents) either for full frame as long as they kept them to sub-$2,000 prices. Yes I know they wouldn't be "tiny" but they could be interesting for those of us that walked away from Leica and still like manual focus lenses at times.
    Tre:

    I wouldn't be surprised if they did just that. Apparently the FE market is growing and growth is rare in today's photo market. Funny thing is now that there are FE and FE G and FE Zeiss and Loxia and Batis and Voigtlander and Mitakon here (or on the way) I feel like I can wait a little and be real choosy. For instance I am interested in the Loxia 21 and the Voigtlanders. But I think I'll wait until all the relevant reviews are in before buying. And even then I might rent to be sure. Ain't it great to have choices.
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Tre, I would love that but I am not certain that will happen. Unfortunately, zeiss use Cosina to build all their lenses and dictate what gets made. Likely, they would not let Cosina make a Tuit or Pelvis competitor. The end of APO Lanthar 125/2.5 is rumored to have been a result of Zeiss/Cosina 100/2 Macro Planar.
    You may be correct but it would seem that FE lens production could take precedence over VM lens production seeing how many M users ultimately move towards Leica lenses which puts plenty of Zeiss and Voigtlander lenses on the market. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see many of the faster Zeiss and Voigtlander M variants wind up with FE optimized versions.
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Looks like the 10mm Voigtlander may be available in April.

    http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/camer...very-in-april/

    Sooner than I thought. Good.

    I put the $100 deposit down. I know, silly, but I didn't splurge at Christmas so I needed to waste some money.
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    How much are these supposed to cost? I didn't see a price on either the announcement or the preorder page.
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    Re: Voigtländer to launch tiny E-mount lenses ? Full frame ?

    Quote Originally Posted by sbay View Post
    How much are these supposed to cost? I didn't see a price on either the announcement or the preorder page.
    No pricing available yet. The M-mount 12mm is about $700 (US), but I'm guessing the e-mount versions will be more. Just don't have a guess how much more.
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