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    Smile Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    The Rx1 II is all the talk today but the Rx-1 still seems like an excellent camera. As said above would this be a crazy purchase at this time?

    I don't need one. I have a great A7RII (that I really like) and a backup A6000 but at current prices the RX1 seems to be ab attractive proposition for a second camera. The new one would be nice but too many $$ for what I would use it for.

    Mine you, I haven't made up my mind and I have never even held one. But...

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Me too, to all of the above. The used prices are around what a new FE35 1.4 sells for new. The major difference being... the FE35 1.4 doesn't come with a great camera attached.
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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    I would say that if you're thinking about a toe in the water on an RX1/R then now (or soon) may be a good time to try one out as I'm sure there will be plenty available. Prices for them are probably stable so even if you decide it's not for you the damage will not be to great. Personally I would not consider buying a new one, only used (clean/perfect.)

    I will say that if you already have an A7R2 then the niggles of slow-ish AF and the screen/evf operational issues will be further magnified, if only by comparison...

    Why not rent one for a few days? In the last few years I've almost always rented before a major photo purchase to be sure I was making the right decision.

    Good luck deciding.

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    I've got a feeling the prices will edge down slightly once the Rx1r2 is officially released, especially if the reviews are glowing.

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Brand new prices from Asia have plummeted.

    Although the RX1 (v1) is not in my consideration, this price plummet has me thinking about when to purchase the RX1R II.

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    For reasons beyond reason I seem to have an aversion to renting for the person of used equipment although I have done it once or twice.

    I think prices many yet drop a little on used. However I have already seen them for $1200-$1500 listed. New will certainly go down but I think an excellent condition used one would be the best choice if I get crazy.

    I have heard the AF wasn't the best but how slow? I had not heard of screen/evf issues. What are they?

    I don't really need speed but I don't want it be like the proverbial EOS-M (1st edition - original software) I once tried and the first picture I took was of the person following the person I focused on

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    I did not find focus speed to be an issue but more than once my rented rx1r could not focus at all in very simple conditions with enough light and contrast. Several times I had to turn it off and on to make it work again. Usually I get next to 100% in focus pictures. Rx1r number was less; I did not count, but I feel it was about 90-95%.

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Jim, Leaving the price aside (a big factor I know, still..), would you not have the chance to use your Nissin (and other) flashes on the camera while having the possibility to use the EVF?
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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    You are correct that using the EVF makes using a flash an impossibility. That would be a problem for me.

    Perhaps I should take out my A6000 more and play with it but somehow it hasn't held the same fascination for me. Logic versus emotion.

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Re the EVF - first of all it's a separate piece giving you 2 pieces of kit to manage, not to mention the small (nice) case for it that you'll likely want to use. The EVF also does not lock onto the shoe mount - it just slides in and leaves you missing the reassurance. Thirdly there is no way to adjust the tension on the 90-degree vertical "flipability." If you use it at any position other that straight ahead you can move it just with the pressure against your eye. It's just "fiddly." But all that said, you'll definitely want to use it when conditions are bright and it does work.

    OK, the screen. The screen is fine for image review etc. but if you want to shoot with it there is only one position, your favorite distance in front of your face. Vertical positioning is limited if you still want to see even the focus box. Try shooting your A6000 or A7R2 with the screen and keeping the screen in stored position. It might not limit you but it did me.

    In the end it's just a camera you have to be a bit more deliberate about. For run & gun it would trail your other 2 cameras, believe me.

    But then at night when you load the days images and see them on the big screen, well, it's just soo easy to sit there and stare...

    Hope this helps.
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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    To add to that, the RX1 feels VERY differently than the NEX-6/6000. I was pleasantly surprised when I first got to fondle a RX1.

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Ok - just took out my A6000. I have it for a backup - just in case. It's a great size - it works well. I don't really like it It's not that its not a great camera it just doesn't bond with me. On the other hand I love my A7RII.

    I guess I need to find an RX-1 to see and feel. Any of you on the west coast of Florida with one? I am pretty sure the answer is no but...

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    For some this maybe a great idea. If I went this direction more my purpose would be replacing my 35 1.4 so I would want the exact sensor as the version 2. I want no difference from the A7rii. But I still see a lot of value here on the RX1 as we will see a lot for sale.
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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Jim,
    I think its a fab idea and one I am looking into and considering.
    I'd like to see a price drop but as the RX1rII is some much more technology I suspect Sony see the old model as priced ok.
    I am liquidating some unused items to perhaps afford either one.

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    For reasons beyond reason I seem to have an aversion to renting for the person of used equipment although I have done it once or twice.

    I think prices many yet drop a little on used. However I have already seen them for $1200-$1500 listed. New will certainly go down but I think an excellent condition used one would be the best choice if I get crazy.

    I have heard the AF wasn't the best but how slow? I had not heard of screen/evf issues. What are they?

    I don't really need speed but I don't want it be like the proverbial EOS-M (1st edition - original software) I once tried and the first picture I took was of the person following the person I focused on

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    the Rx1 is excellent. I often read it has slow focus or misses, I honestly don't have this issue. I DO NOT find focus slow and I do find it very accurate, and I mainly do lowlight shooting.

    I have a A7S, A7, A7R MII, A65, Olympus EM5, and I can honestly tell you that even after using those bodies I have never found myself saying that the Rx1 is slow. Want slow? Use my EPL1.

    I only use the Rx1 on AF-S, and I turn off the focus assist light thingie, I never use that. Now in auto focus continuous it could have issues, again I only use auto focus single, and single center point, it works very decent for me. I have shot with it in all conditions.

    the Rx1 is my goto body for lowlight concert shots, I find it quick enough and very accurate.





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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    ^^^ Lucille, very nice work...

    If you don't mind, do you use the EVF and why/why not? Also do you shoot it in silent mode, adding the requirement to visually confirm focus?

    tnx...
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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    I have had the RX1r since almost a couple of years now. I use it as a lightweight walkabout backup to my Nikon DSLR system.
    My take on this: If I were to lose it, I would not hesitate a second to get another one again. It shot awesome images - easily at par with my DSLR - when I got it 2 years ago and guess what.....it still does!
    Not the slightest NEED to spend a bunch of $$$ for the "latest" model or for 42 MP for that matter.
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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Emotional bonding: Now there's something to avoid with cameras unless you've got a lot of excess cash to pursue what will ultimately be a fickle whim! Better (and cheaper) to bond with the photos, I think.

    Had the opportunity to buy an RX1 with faulty autofocus for $600 earlier this year, suspected I could fix it readily enough but in the end passed on it. Why? I figured it wasn't going to deliver anything that I wasn't already getting from my A7 + 35/2.8. Smaller yes, but not small enough to carry around differently.
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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Lucille,

    Love the concert shots.

    Do you an external viewfinder?

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Quote Originally Posted by jim251 View Post
    ^^^ Lucille, very nice work...

    If you don't mind, do you use the EVF and why/why not? Also do you shoot it in silent mode, adding the requirement to visually confirm focus?

    tnx...


    I don't own the EVF so I have never used one, nor do I use the silent mode, the camera is pretty quiet as it is.
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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    Lucille,

    Love the concert shots.

    Do you an external viewfinder?

    Jim


    No sir, I use the LCD screen like a point and shoot, the Rx1 excels in lowlight even though I read to the contrary, I literally have 100's of shots that prove it. I don't use flash, to freeze motion in lowlight one must use a faster shutter speed of say around 1/200sec or so, the Rx1 works magic for me and has a sweet look, I love its black and white look. Some of the venues I shoot in don't allow 'professional' cameras and flash photography as it is a distraction to the musician, little do they know that the Rx1 that has always been allowed as they dismiss it as a point and shoot is
    extremely powerful and capable.

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Like with the a7r, so many people fuss themselves out of the sheer image quality of the RX1, it seems to me. The day I bought one - around three years back - I put the EVF on it never to remove it, bought a bag that enabled the camera to stand upright inside, got a 49>37mm 'hood', Gariz case and conventional strap. The EVF is still stiff in use but I don't head butt it, and it never slides even a millimeter. They are a great option for travel guys, if the other cam fails a 35/2 this good can do a heck of a lot. Best of all, the ergo is 90% the same as the a7 cameras, so easy swapping leaves more time for photography. Ambient light is great with it, so flash is best avoided, for me. The tilt EVF gets me shots impossible with other EVFs for the same reason a waist finder used to work well. Not sure if the new one with the crazy 'flash cube' popup unit does tilt?

    Buying - they go for way less than an FE 35/1.4 or even a Loxia 35/2. Over at Fred's place the average seems to be ~$1100-1200. You would struggle to find a high end 35mm for that money and it won't be as good overall or have a macro, and then there is the 'still in use' sensor, good for ISO 4800-6400. But it's not a camera for feature creep fans (IBIS, 4K etc), as the goodness is at the heart of the matter (hand assembly of individual lens-sensor units), not the periphery. People laughed back in early 2013 when I said it was a classic camera - they are not laughing so much now. Even if you don't get along with it, resale will stay high - I doubt you'll see them for $500 for years.
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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    I would like to know what video using the RX1 is like?

    Not looking for 4K, just 1080P at 24/30 or 60 would be great.
    I am not expecting it to be great but there is the odd video grab that I make and IF the RX1 can manage something half decent it will be fine.
    Not a deal breaker for me, I understand its a stills camera but nonetheless I'd use some video ability occasionally.

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    I would like to know what video using the RX1 is like?

    Not looking for 4K, just 1080P at 24/30 or 60 would be great.
    I am not expecting it to be great but there is the odd video grab that I make and IF the RX1 can manage something half decent it will be fine.
    Not a deal breaker for me, I understand its a stills camera but nonetheless I'd use some video ability occasionally.
    To answer my own question the video on the RX1 fairly well reviewed here - http://www.imaging-resource.com/PROD...y-rx1VIDEO.HTM
    Probably best teamed with something else like a RX100 for casual video.

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    I blame all of you but most especially Lucille.

    I ordered a used RX1 from KEH in LN- condition. They were having a sale on Sony over the weekend. While the new model looks great I have my A7RII for any professional or more demanding work and hope the RX1 turns out to be a good carry it everywhere and especially a vacation camera. Will let you all know after it arrives in a few days.

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    I blame all of you but most especially Lucille.

    I ordered a used RX1 from KEH in LN- condition. They were having a sale on Sony over the weekend. While the new model looks great I have my A7RII for any professional or more demanding work and hope the RX1 turns out to be a good carry it everywhere and especially a vacation camera. Will let you all know after it arrives in a few days.

    Jim
    Add me to that list as well. It's a lovely little camera so far and a really nice compliment to my A7Rii setup. I'm actually liking having a camera with a "small" resolution sensor. And so far the lens seems every bit as nice as advertised.

    Thanks for the nudge getdpi.

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    Re: Is it crazy to buy a Rx-1 now (version 1)?

    Quote Originally Posted by JMaher View Post
    I blame all of you but most especially Lucille.

    I ordered a used RX1 from KEH in LN- condition. They were having a sale on Sony over the weekend. While the new model looks great I have my A7RII for any professional or more demanding work and hope the RX1 turns out to be a good carry it everywhere and especially a vacation camera. Will let you all know after it arrives in a few days.

    Jim


    You will love this little camera.....So tiny, so powerful, so easy to take everywhere.....and the files...... THE FILES MAN, THE FILES!





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