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    85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    Has anyone compared these two lenses, for people shots?

    Reading various forums suggests that:

    • The Batis is more compact / lighter
    • The Sony is faster focusing and, being a macro lens, it focuses closer
    • The quality control on the Sony is less reliable
    • The bokeh on the Sony is swirlier
    • The colour on the Sony is more muted
    • The Sony has better micro-contrast, if you get a good copy
    • The Sony is less expensive, but they are comparable in price
    • The Sony is over a stop slower


    The weight suggests going for the Batis, but am I missing anything?

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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    I would go for the sharpest if there is a way to confidently compare the two.

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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    There both really good lenses. I don't have the 90 but from mages I have seen it looks very very good. I'm very pleased with the Batis 85
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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    I think that "more swirly" bokeh has been suggested about the Batis, not the Macro, although I haven't seen any real examples of it being an issue with either.

    I have the 90 Macro. Best bokeh of any lens I own. But then, that's often a personal judgement.

    re: Colors being more muted. I really don't know what this means. Color saturation, hue, fidelity are all part of post processing. If it refers to straight out of camera .jpeg, that's another thing. But for RAW... if the colors are too muted it's probably due to the RAW convertor, and it's the easiest thing to fix. Again, it varies by the individual.
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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    I compared test reports, RAW files and user comments for these two lenses carefully before buying the Batis 85mm. I've only had it for a little while, but I'm very satisfied. It's relatively light and fits perfectly in my hands, which is important. It seems to maintain contrast in shadow areas very well, and I like its color rendition.

    I would be careful about concluding that the macro resolves more fine detail than the Batis until more full test reports are available. The only truly comparable mtf 50 tests I've seen put the two lenses neck and neck, with the Batis significantly better wide open. I can say for sure that my copy is very, very sharp all over.

    In most respects, the Batis is a worthy successor to the previous classic Zeiss 85's. Plus it has autofocus and image stabilization.

    One thing that made me hesitate was its noticeable pincushion distortion.That's easy to correct, without doing visible damage to the files. But the purist in me still wonders why that was necessary.

    As far as bokeh goes, I think the Batis is great. Almost any lens has weak spots in terms of bokeh, in certain specific situations. In the limited wide-open shooting I've done with the Batis, I find its bokeh creamy smooth and convincing. Much better than my Zeiss Planar 1.4.

    Good luck with your decision.

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    Well, in the end, I rang a dealer that I have been using for years and they had a Batis. (Fortunately, they don't seem to be good at getting their stock onto their web site -- they are a small chain.)

    What swung me was (i) the hope that the QA on the Zeiss lenses is better than the Sony (I don't have time to fart around with misaligned lenses); (ii) the slightly faster aperture; (iii) the slightly lower weight. (Not necessarily in that order.)

    I'll report back when I've had a chance to get the feel of the lens.
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    I've been very happy with my Batis 85. I audibly gasped when I saw the first images that I took with it -- I've been very impressed with the sharpness, even wide open, and the overall rendering. I also chose it over the Sony 90 for many of the same reasons.

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    I don't have the Batis but my FE 90/2.8 is the best lens I own - even if it isn't the most versatile.

    If you are a portrait photographer I don't see why you wouldn't own a Batis.

    If you are a landscape and/or macro photographer who occasionally takes portraits then I don't see why you wouldn't go with the Sony.

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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    I don't have the Batis but my FE 90/2.8 is the best lens I own - even if it isn't the most versatile.

    If you are a portrait photographer I don't see why you wouldn't own a Batis.

    If you are a landscape and/or macro photographer who occasionally takes portraits then I don't see why you wouldn't go with the Sony.

    Horse for courses.

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    Everything tells me that the 90mm rendering is what would suit me best. But there are also things I don't like with the 90mm : the size and weight, the Sony quality control and the risk of getting a decentered sample. This may lead me to the Batis 85mm instead. On the A7r I was using the Tamron 90mm f2.8 macro (an older very sharp version, in Canon mount), I could get AF using the Metabones v. III adapter (it was slow, but this lens was slow even on Canon bodies). But on the A7rII plus Metabones adapter v. IV, AF doesn't work anymore.

    (OT) There is really a lack of coherence between the different lenses natively available. What I'd like is a complete line of lenses with the Loxia form factor, but allowing AF (my eyes don't see enough to get in focus easily). As is, we have three lines of lenses (five counting the Sony-Zeiss and the G series). But none is able to build a system by themselves, so you end up with an heterogene set of lenses.

    Zeiss explicitly said that the Loxia lenses were targeting both the videographers and the street shooters. I think that they missed the boat, because :
    1. serious videographers would use a real video camera,
    2. old school photographers to whom the concept may appeal have grown older and more often than not tend to prefer AF to be sure that they got in focus.


    So the target market for the Loxias is really small. Hence IMO the success of the Batis line. Too bad they made them larger than the Loxia. Who really needs F2 with a 25mm focal length, given the Sony sensor IQ ? F2.8 should be enough and would allow a smaller size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Everything tells me that the 90mm rendering is what would suit me best. But there are also things I don't like with the 90mm : the size and weight, the Sony quality control and the risk of getting a decentered sample. This may lead me to the Batis 85mm instead. On the A7r I was using the Tamron 90mm f2.8 macro (an older very sharp version, in Canon mount), I could get AF using the Metabones v. III adapter (it was slow, but this lens was slow even on Canon bodies). But on the A7rII plus Metabones adapter v. IV, AF doesn't work anymore.

    (OT) There is really a lack of coherence between the different lenses natively available. What I'd like is a co plate line of lenses with the Loxia form factor, but allowing AF (my eyes don't see enough to get in focus easily). As is, we have three lines of lenses (five counting the Sony-Zeiss and the G series). But none is able to build a system by themselves, so you end up with an heterogene set of lenses.

    Zeiss explicitly said that the Loxia lenses were targeting both the videographers and the street shooters. I think that they missed the boat, because :
    1. serious videographers would use a real video camera,
    2. old school photographers to whom the concept may appeal have grown older and more often than not tend to prefer AF to be sure that they got in focus.


    So the target market for the Loxias is really small. Hence IMO the success of the Batis line. Too bad they made them larger than the Loxia. Who really needs F2 with a 25mm focal length, given the Sony sensor IQ ? F2.8 should be enough and would allow a smaller size.
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    I am too very unhappy with Sony quality control but I have managed to get a FE 90/2.8 which is nothing short of stellar. Maybe, just maybe they all are?

    I was also unhappy about the size but I seem to have adjusted to it. I can honestly say it is one of the best designed camera lenses I have bought - which surprised me!

    I totally agree with you about your analysis of the lens family. I do have the 2/35 Loxia and it is a joy to use but in this day and age I am afraid AF is not a nice-to-have but a necessity. It is a shame the new 21 is a manual focus Loxia. What we all want is a Batis 21/2.8 with autofocus. Why Zeiss are playing a coy game with the product line is beyond me unless Sony is shortly to announce a FE G 21/2.8.

    I have been using at CV 21/1.8 to good effect but the obvious darkening of the live view as you stop down is a total pain.

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    Added: actually, I would settle for a Batis 4/21 as speed is not essential but size is.
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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    Annna just curious if you get the Techart to work with your cg90 would you be thinking about getting either of these?

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    Like Louis I luckily have a good copy of the FE90 macro and love the way it renders and it very versatile being a macro. Yes it is on the large side but does handle well and I like being able to assign focus hold to the button on the lens. Also I do wish Sony designed all their FE lenses with the same AF/MF focus ring. All in all a great all-rounder but if you need 1.8 and don't do macro then the Batis maybe a good option. Unlike Louis though I am happy that zeiss are bringing out the Loxia 21/2.8 as at this wide end of the lens spectrum I prefer a good manual lens with DOF scale

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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    Annna just curious if you get the Techart to work with your cg90 would you be thinking about getting either of these?
    That would exclude the Batis 85mm. But the 90mm is a macro, so not exactly the same. For sure, i prefer the size and weight of the Contax G lenses !

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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Anna

    I am too very unhappy with Sony quality control but I have managed to get a FE 90/2.8 which is nothing short of stellar. Maybe, just maybe they all are?

    I was also unhappy about the size but I seem to have adjusted to it. I can honestly say it is one of the best designed camera lenses I have bought - which surprised me!

    I totally agree with you about your analysis of the lens family. I do have the 2/35 Loxia and it is a joy to use but in this day and age I am afraid AF is not a nice-to-have but a necessity. It is a shame the new 21 is a manual focus Loxia. What we all want is a Batis 21/2.8 with autofocus. Why Zeiss are playing a coy game with the product line is beyond me unless Sony is shortly to announce a FE G 21/2.8.

    I have been using at CV 21/1.8 to good effect but the obvious darkening of the live view as you stop down is a total pain.

    LouisB

    Added: actually, I would settle for a Batis 4/21 as speed is not essential but size is.

    Two out of my four Sony lenses were deceiving (16-35mm and 70-200mm). I love the 55mm F1.8, it is perfect (clinical doesn't bother me) and my 24-70mm seems to do rather well, especially when compared to the 16-35mm.
    I must admit that while there were a lot of unhappy owners at the beginnings of the system, i didn't hear about many decentering complaints for the 90mm.

    I would also set on slower lenses for wide angle in exchange of less weight.. May be i could do with MF on a 21mm : using it stoped down and with zone focus would be OK. But starting at 35mm i need AF and then i'd have to mix lenses series..
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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    Don't let the hoods deceive you , they are big and ugly. I don't use either one on my 25 and 85. I use some cheap screw in metal hoods and they work great and a lot smaller.
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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Don't let the hoods deceive you , they are big and ugly. I don't use either one on my 25 and 85. I use some cheap screw in metal hoods and they work great and a lot smaller.
    I tend to think that the hoods designed by the manufacturers are there for a good reason, in order to fight effectively against flare etc.. and in order to provide the best performance available to the optics.. That's why even if i find the hoods cumbersome, i tend to keep them. But yes, they are a pain in the bag when you want to remain compact.

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    It's a rare day I run into flare. There overkill
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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    I can't speak for the Batis, but I love my FE90. It's rare to have such a sharp lens render bokeh so beautifully.

    The images speak for themselves, but what isn't apparent to non-owners is the build quality. It's the most solid lens I own, maybe the best ever. Sure, it's large and heavy, but fits VERY well on the A7 series and is very comfortable to hold. I absolutely love the manual/auto focus push/pull ring. It's ideal for everything, but particularly macro. I let the AF narrow down the focus, a simple pull and then I fine tune with MF. The friction focusing is a smooth and tactile as it gets.

    It looks really cool too, modern industrial art. The lens almost sells itself once you demo one in a store.

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    Annna, You know I am in nearly the same mode as you.... the Techart adapter is a huge ? for me and I really don't trust Chinese tech companies after my experience with DJI and drones. I shoot my macro's with a APC because I like the increased DOF APC affords me and my 180mm macro is just a awesome macro lens. This means I can use the CG 90 manually or get the 90mm macro or 85 Baetis. It's a focal length I really do not use much... I avoid shooting people like the plague in fact if I have people in my shots unavoidably I will clone them out. Years and years of event and wedding photography back in the 60's and 70's burned me out with people as subjects. I just don't do them and really don't enjoy seeing them in anyones photo's. So my need for this lens is for when I want a slightly tighter perspective on my scenics. All three can give me that..... I am still debating this one out between my ears.

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    Odd that back a few months we saw a bunch of Pics posted using the Sony 90 but the past month or so very few with the 90 and far more with the 85 Batis. I guess the love is gone

    I am still debating 90-85-or just stay with the cg90 with my Kipon and save the $1000-$1300. I prefer macro with APC bodies, don't shoot people shots ever, and it will only be used for scenics needing a bit more reach or for panos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    Odd that back a few months we saw a bunch of Pics posted using the Sony 90 but the past month or so very few with the 90 and far more with the 85 Batis. I guess the love is gone
    Not even close, not for me.

    Several weeks ago when I decided to order the RX1rII, I considered going "cold turkey" and sell off my A7rII to finance the purchase, and to present a challenge for myself to focus my vision on a single lens, single camera.

    But when I looked at the images produced by the FE 90 and FE 55, I thought "take them away only from my cold dead hands".

    I can't speak for the Batis, but the FE 90 is one of my all time favorite lenses.

    I'll be cold turkey for awhile with the A7rII while I learn the RX, but there are many happy times ahead for me and the Sony Macro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    Odd that back a few months we saw a bunch of Pics posted using the Sony 90 but the past month or so very few with the 90 and far more with the 85 Batis. I guess the love is gone

    I am still debating 90-85-or just stay with the cg90 with my Kipon and save the $1000-$1300. I prefer macro with APC bodies, don't shoot people shots ever, and it will only be used for scenics needing a bit more reach or for panos.
    It's just that I ran out of subject
    Still love my 90mm though...but I have a new 85mm Mitakon to be experiment soon.
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    It's just as I go through the fun with a7 thread one see's a time frame with many 90mm shots then it just seemed to dry up as fast as it started. Then the wave of Batis shots seemed to take over in that thread.

    Personally, I really like my 16-35 and the 55 is exceptional. The 55 easily took my cg45 out of the kit bag which I thought could never be beat on e mount usage. When I used the 45cg on this a7rII it lost some of the magic it had when used on the nex5 and 7. The pop was lost and it sort of thru a purple cast(easily tweaked away in post but there none the less). I see a near the same deterioration with the cg90 as well. I am sure the Sony 90 could replace my cg90in the kit from the images I used to see on the net and DXO's test results.

    Until I am sure which direction to go I will sit on what I have but a ff e mount lens sale might be all I need to leap. B&H's 10% rewards off they have now is tempting but just means I will have to buy something else later on to realize the savings.

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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    If I can ever find a 85mm Batis for sale, then I will buy one to compliment my 90mm macro.

    The 90mm Macro is superb - the best macro lens I have ever used.
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    Ok ... You guy's made me do it

    The FE 90 is on its way.... I think I will be very happy with it and can retire my CG90 back to my Contax G2 kit. Also my son will get my extensive nex5 and nex7 kit for when their first born arrive's .. It's a win-win-win all around.

    My FE hike in scenic kit will be all OEM glass now with 16-35, 55, and a 90. It also has a laea3 and Vello ext tubes just in case I have the urge to play
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    Ok ... You guy's made me do it

    The FE 90 is on its way.... I think I will be very happy with it and can retire my CG90 back to my Contax G2 kit. Also my son will get my extensive nex5 and nex7 kit for when their first born arrive's .. It's a win-win-win all around.

    My FE hike in scenic kit will be all OEM glass now with 16-35, 55, and a 90. It also has a laea3 and Vello ext tubes just in case I have the urge to play
    Congrats Jim. Please come back with your thoughts after you've tried the lens. I firmly believe you will be happy!

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    Oh I surely will..... I got to thinking that on my scenic hike ins I often found something along the way that could of used a macro pic of with the NEX system. I would either use tubes or a raynox 250 to get the shot but life will be easier to just grab the 90 and snap it rather than jury rigging another lens to work.

    My serious pre-planned macros will still be done with my apc a77II and 180macro as I like apc dof better for this but who knows I may just use the 90 in apc mode if it is as good as I have seen on the web... Gonna be hard to beat my 180 though as I got a very good copy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrp View Post
    Has anyone compared these two lenses, for people shots?

    Reading various forums suggests that:

    • The Batis is more compact / lighter
    • The Sony is faster focusing and, being a macro lens, it focuses closer
    • The quality control on the Sony is less reliable
    • The bokeh on the Sony is swirlier
    • The colour on the Sony is more muted
    • The Sony has better micro-contrast, if you get a good copy
    • The Sony is less expensive, but they are comparable in price
    • The Sony is over a stop slower


    The weight suggests going for the Batis, but am I missing anything?
    If you do not have the A7II or the A7RII, you might know that the 90 is also stabilized. That is a big +.
    The Sony 90 macro is one if not the best native Sony FE lens you can dream about on the Alpha system. It is not an entry level lens and i never heard of sample variations. Bokeh is spectacular, colors depend on your pp skills.

    This was took with A7R and the 90.

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    That 90mm macro is sweet....... got it this evening via the brown truck and have been spot shooting around the house....... I think I will be very happy!!!
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    Congrats!
    Holy Batman. It must be a special delivery to get it that quick.

    My FE hike in scenic kit will be all OEM glass now with 16-35, 55, and a 90.
    What about 70-200? I know it a little slow and some don't like it...but this was shot at 198mm f5

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    Sam it takes one day for me to get stuff from B&H....


    The 70-200 just doesn't interest me nor has that range ever been of interest for me(I avoid people shots like the plague .. don't like taking them nor looking at them)..... I have the new A mount sigma 70-200 that I got for a steal (could not pass on the deal I got as I could sell it tomorrow and make $3-400 on it) and a pristine beercan both of which I can count on one hand the number of times I have used them. If I go with a tele zoom I go really long; as I have both the 70-400G and the Tammy 150-600mm. Neither of which will ever see much time on the a7rII though I bought a laea3 just in case. When I go long I prefer to use the SLT's... they not only focus faster but have a better feel with these big lenses in my hands.

    My a7rII is strictly my personal hike in scenic system for my enjoyment .... I make my living with my SLT's. Not saying I couldn't use the a7rII but for what I get paid to do the SLT's are just the better tool for me.

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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    Here is a test of the Batis that includes a comparison with the 90mm Sony. (Raw files are downloadable.)

    The Batis' edges are weak, but the centre excellent. This is fine for me, for a portrait lens. The Sony wins at f2.8, at the edges at least.

    (There is also a review on that site of the 25mm Batis, which is less sharp centrally, but more uniform across the frame.)

    You pays your $£€ and you makes your choice.
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    Re: 85mm Batis v 90mm Sony?

    Finally, I decided to get the Sony FE90mm Macro.

    The Batis are nowhere to see here, not even in well established brick and mortar shop of big cities, so I had no chances of comparing both physically. But the rendering and the functionalities of the 90mm macro suit me better. The main drawback was the size and weight. But two weeks ago in that brick and mortar shop where I couldn't find a Batis, I was able to handle the 90mm and I found the weight and size acceptable. That said, with this lens size I feel that I'm back in DSLRs territory. The new lens weight 90gr. more than the Tamron 90mm F2.8 SP macro plus Metabones IV included and it is wider and more cumbersome.
    The good news is that contrary to my fears, it still can be stored in my preferred bag. I got it from an online dealer which usually is a little more expensive than others, but right now they are offering a 10% rebate on all Sony gear. I paid only about 780$ (after substraction of the VAT to allow comparisons with the US prices).

    I did some tests this afternoon and my copy seems to be OK it has more or less uniform corners. I love the way the out of focus area looks. But to be honest : those older Tamron lenses were gems.. my copy is almost as sharp as the new Sony.

    I put a picture in the fun with A7x thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Finally, I decided to get the Sony FE90mm Macro.

    The Batis are nowhere to see here, not even in well established brick and mortar shop of big cities, so I had no chances of comparing both physically. But the rendering and the functionalities of the 90mm macro suit me better. The main drawback was the size and weight. But two weeks ago in that brick and mortar shop where I couldn't find a Batis, I was able to handle the 90mm and I found the weight and size acceptable. That said, with this lens size I feel that I'm back in DSLRs territory. The new lens weight 90gr. more than the Tamron 90mm F2.8 SP macro plus Metabones IV included and it is wider and more cumbersome.
    The good news is that contrary to my fears, it still can be stored in my preferred bag. I got it from an online dealer which usually is a little more expensive than others, but right now they are offering a 10% rebate on all Sony gear. I paid only about 780$ (after substraction of the VAT to allow comparisons with the US prices).

    I did some tests this afternoon and my copy seems to be OK it has more or less uniform corners. I love the way the out of focus area looks. But to be honest : those older Tamron lenses were gems.. my copy is almost as sharp as the new Sony.

    I put a picture in the fun with A7x thread.
    Probably the "smart" choice if you need the lens now, don't want/need the speed, or prefer the more versatile choice.

    Honestly the difference in them are pretty small now that I've seen enough shots of both and I attribute choosing between the two is sort of like choosing between two beautiful women. One woman is the girl next door who's kind of a homebody and the other is the "exotic" girl that just moved into your neighborhood but is always on the go. In the end it'll come down to the subjective quirks and availability. For me I give the edge to the Batis and really the only negatives for me personally are the occasional hunting in less than ideal light and the non-IR friendly lens coatings.
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    Have fun with it!
    And don't forget to look back at all the spiders. Because:

    spiders see everything... (also if you buy a batis and don't tell us)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Finally, I decided to get the Sony FE90mm Macro.

    The Batis are nowhere to see here, not even in well established brick and mortar shop of big cities, so I had no chances of comparing both physically. But the rendering and the functionalities of the 90mm macro suit me better. The main drawback was the size and weight. But two weeks ago in that brick and mortar shop where I couldn't find a Batis, I was able to handle the 90mm and I found the weight and size acceptable. That said, with this lens size I feel that I'm back in DSLRs territory. The new lens weight 90gr. more than the Tamron 90mm F2.8 SP macro plus Metabones IV included and it is wider and more cumbersome.
    The good news is that contrary to my fears, it still can be stored in my preferred bag. I got it from an online dealer which usually is a little more expensive than others, but right now they are offering a 10% rebate on all Sony gear. I paid only about 780$ (after substraction of the VAT to allow comparisons with the US prices).

    I did some tests this afternoon and my copy seems to be OK it has more or less uniform corners. I love the way the out of focus area looks. But to be honest : those older Tamron lenses were gems.. my copy is almost as sharp as the new Sony.

    I put a picture in the fun with A7x thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Probably the "smart" choice if you need the lens now, don't want/need the speed, or prefer the more versatile choice.

    Honestly the difference in them are pretty small now that I've seen enough shots of both and I attribute choosing between the two is sort of like choosing between two beautiful women. One woman is the girl next door who's kind of a homebody and the other is the "exotic" girl that just moved into your neighborhood but is always on the go. In the end it'll come down to the subjective quirks and availability. For me I give the edge to the Batis and really the only negatives for me personally are the occasional hunting in less than ideal light and the non-IR friendly lens coatings.
    My reasoning for getting the 90mm is that homegirl will be staying around for a good while yet
    But you just know that the exotic girl will be outshined (for some of us that is) with a more tempting faster version

    BTW I will just add that both lenses were available when I made my choice for the 90mm and I actually paid a little more than I would have for the B85 (I do feel that the current lack of availability for the B85 has made it more lust worthy than the easier to get hold of 90mm)....Bottom line is that they are both excellent lenses, it will all come down to the needs of each indivdual...I have no regrets with my 90mm and nobody should have with their B85.
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    I like to shoot my FE 90 G on A7r2 with f <= 8 so that AF-C engages PDAF.
    The faster the better!
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    You made the right choice with the Batis. Macro lenses are not portrait lenses IMO. Way too sharp for people. High resolution imaging has not done the human race/face any favors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedgraphic View Post
    You made the right choice with the Batis. Macro lenses are not portrait lenses IMO. Way too sharp for people. High resolution imaging has not done the human race/face any favors.
    "Too sharp" can be easily fixed with simple post processing.

    "Not sharp enough" can't be fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrewk View Post
    "Too sharp" can be easily fixed with simple post processing.

    "Not sharp enough" can't be fixed.

    So true!
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    Doesn't that depend on what caused the fuzziness?
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Ok, enough about drinking and photography. There is a reason we have stabilized lenses
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    A little bit of drinking seems to steady your hands though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Haines View Post
    My reasoning for getting the 90mm is that homegirl will be staying around for a good while yet
    But you just know that the exotic girl will be outshined (for some of us that is) with a more tempting faster version

    BTW I will just add that both lenses were available when I made my choice for the 90mm and I actually paid a little more than I would have for the B85 (I do feel that the current lack of availability for the B85 has made it more lust worthy than the easier to get hold of 90mm)....Bottom line is that they are both excellent lenses, it will all come down to the needs of each indivdual...I have no regrets with my 90mm and nobody should have with their B85.
    I hear you and I had the same choices. Save ~$150 or go with the Batis. I liked both but I often shoot in lower light and the extra 1 1/3 stops of light seemed to be worth it for me plus a slightly shorter focal means I can get a bit more DoF at an equivalent aperture if I need it.
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