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    Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    First time I have started a dedicated thread but I think this lens deserves it

    Just a quick size comparison for those who may be interested...The title explains the lenses involved.

    Apologies for late response and the not so good photography (camera shake etc...) as I’m pretty rushed off my feet at the moment...I promise to do better later on Hopefully the weather will be better also!
    But it does give you some idea of the size of the 21mm Loxia against these other Sony lenses...If your bag can accommodate a Sony 70-200mm then you should be fine with a 55mm FE and 21mm Loxia back to back (The Lens Flipper is very slightly longer than 2 Sony rear lens caps back to back...But I like it because it’s lockable and it’s all in one piece and won’t become unglued...It’s very slightly heavier also than 2 Sony rear caps)

    My quick tests confirm the 21mm Loxia lens is indeed a very, very SHARP lens and the corners are truly excellent (IMHO noticeably sharper than the 16-35mm at 21mm FL but then you would expect that of a prime Zeiss lens!)
    The lens balances very nicely on the A7RII and very happy so far...For landscape photography setting the hyperfocal distance at F5.6 for infinity images inclusive is probably going to prove trickier to precisely find because of the short focus throw than let’s say using a Batis 25mm with it’s OLED DoF display.
    I must admit I’m not a great lover of the way the lens hood attaches on or off but that could be me!

    I purchased mine also from LCE London Camera Exchange (Speak to Dave at the Colchester Branch very helpful and friendly chap) and was first on their waiting list (I cancelled my earlier Pre-order and then Prepaid in full and managed to wangle a further 10% discount for “Black Friday” ...Not sure if they have any more in stock but I suspect not

    Hope this helps...Cheers Barry




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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    I want, I lust , I need and I'm first on my dealers list. Lol

    Gotta love the size

    BTW I'm on my third FE 35 1.4. I bought two with asymmetry issues finally went to local store first lens tried same thing, second lens seems to be a winner.

    Hate to say it but do not buy this lens unless you can test it in store or return it.

    It's a buy 3 return 2 type of lens. Now I had the same issues with the Sigma 35 ART lens I went through 3 of them. So this kind of stuff is out there.

    But also I have bought several Loxia lenses and Batis lenses with no issues at all. I expect this 21 to be a first and last purchase of it.

    I also expect this lens to be extremely high demand. Get your order in. Here in the US we won't see this till January in our hands. Our international friends got the jump on us here. Enjoy it folks and yes we are jealous. Lol
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Barry I am so looking forward to your wonderful talent in showing us this lens. Get out there and shoot.
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Barry, thanks. How do you like the way the lens handles?
    That seems to be the only criticism I have seen so far.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Well more testing is going to be needed which is hard in London at the moment this morning was so bad and I only managed a few shots yesterday.
    As for handling it is a real shame that the focus throw on the lens is so short from the 2m to infinity stop with no further distance markings as this makes zone focussing of any mid distance object very difficult. Why they have done it this way I don't know but I would have preferred marking and a focus-throw similar to the ZM version though I am sure I will get used to it and may add some markings myself. On a plus note it would appear that the infinity stop is an infinity stop unlike the other Loxia's.
    I don't mind the way the hood attaches and it can even be reversed and you can still access the focus ring (unlike the 50 Loxia)


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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Barry, thanks. How do you like the way the lens handles?
    That seems to be the only criticism I have seen so far.
    Apologies again for late response, I have only just got back home + I will be going out again in a short while. We are experiencing heavy rain together with fog and it couldnít be a worse time for trying out a new lens

    First of all I would describe myself as being a bit of a Zeiss fanboy nowadays, so I donít really want to knock this lens but David is bang on the nail with his quick take above, although further testing is still required and a bit more time getting accustomed to it would be the fair thing to do
    Most people that are probably going to buy this lens will want to be using it somewhere between 2m and infinity where the focus travel is extremely short, with no markings in between...This in turn makes accurate zone focusing a bit awkward to say the least! ...It travels right up to infinity and not beyond so thatís great just as David said also.

    Unlike you Guy I have not had a Loxia lens before so I donít really know if this is normal or not...The hood has an internal finish that I would describe as being like a very fine velvet material for dull matting to help prevent flare (Itís typical of what I have seen on cameras in the past)...This is an absolute dust/lint magnet for when you dry off your lens after a heavy rain shower which is exactly what I have just experienced ....The Sony hoods use what I would describe as internal matt rubber finish which is a lot better IMHO. Also the alignment mark on the Loxia hood is on the inside...ehhh!!!...But that is easily overcome by aligning either of the 2 Zeiss blue badges on the outside of the hood, that way you can have the option of placing that distracting Loxia 2.8/21 writing on the underside
    As read on another review I would also agree that the aperture ring is tight to the body and close to the focussing ring (same knurling pitch which is hard to differentiate when you are concentrating looking through the EVF) this can easily get knocked out of position when focussing especially if you have big hands.

    The few short tests I did this morning proved to me that this lens is well capable of producing stunning images and the smaller size and reduced weight over a 21mm Milvus is very welcome indeed.
    The build quality is solid and reassuring like the MF ZM/ZF.2 mount lens ranges, the focus ring is buttery smooth as we have now taken for granted on Zeiss MF lenses and the aperture ring clicks nicely and firmly...Better than my WATE and 50mm Asph Summilux did.

    Packaging is a lot better than the Sony and ZM lenses.

    Just rereading what I have written it might come over that Iím disgruntled with this lens...Iím most definitely not!!! Everybody here wants the truth at the end of the day so I called it as I saw it...The lens is a keeper and Iím very happy....But I will just add without trying to damage Zeiss sales or destroying everybodyís lust factor here that if I already owned a Batis 25mm, especially with a few reports of it being a bit wider than the reputed 25mm FL that it is supposed to be, I would think twice about having this 21mm Loxia as well...Hope this helps...Cheers Barry
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    Oh come on Barry you know you pulled your finger out of the lust dike hole with this thread. Anytime a new Zeiss lens is mentioned the panting and slobbering begins till the site is full of frothing e mount buyers

    I need a towel.. Hope it is everything you expected it to be!
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    Oh come on Barry you know you pulled your finger out of the lust dike hole with this thread. Anytime a new Zeiss lens is mentioned the panting and slobbering begins till the site is full of frothing e mount buyers

    I need a towel.. Hope it is everything you expected it to be!
    Thanks for that Jim...It is

    Actually it was a 60th birthday present from the wife...I had absolutely zero interest in this lens whatsoever but she insisted - What was I supposed to do!!!
    Iím now stuck with it I suppose; I canít even give it away for free (she would know if I didnít use it from time to time)...dam....................................... ..Whatís a lust dike hole?

    The weather here as said before has been awful today but I did manage to snap off a couple for you all slobbering Zeiss fanboys.
    Please donít read too much into any of these as they are just snaps of anything I could find, mostly handheld long exposures (1/4 sec and a 1/3 sec) SOOCís...When the weather picks up so will the images






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    Merry Xmas everybody...I hope you all have a good one and Santa does you proud...Cheers Barry



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    PS. Many thanks Guy, Iím glad you stuck with it and got yourself a good one in the end...The Sony 35mm F1.4 Distagon is a fantastic lens.
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Having the Batis 25 and VC 15 I'm still in mental debate this is darn close to a 25 focal length
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Having the Batis 25 and VC 15 I'm still in mental debate this is darn close to a 25 focal length
    I spent ages debating between the two of them (21mm and 25mm)...A 23mm lens would have been the perfect lens for me, it would have sat centrally between the 35mm and 15mm in terms of AoV...I'm sure Zeiss are only to aware what a dilemma they make for us all...I guess they just hope that we buy both of them at the end of the day...perhaps we will.

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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    I'm leaning on buying it but if it was 18 it would have been better for me. I still have options maybe if the rumored Sony announcement 1/5 proves to be of any value to us. I'm afraid though super wides may not be announced.
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    A Loxia 18mm FL would have been an excellent match to go with your 25mm Batis...That might have then possibly put a question mark over your Voigtlander 15mm...But with the Spring launch of the 10mm and 12mm Voigtlanders you could have a super duper superwide
    ...10/12mm + 18mm + 25mm + 35mm + 55mm + 85mm + .........
    We are totally spoilt for choice now...It's late here so I'm going to get some
    Chat later...Cheers Barry

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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Haines View Post
    I spent ages debating between the two of them (21mm and 25mm)...A 23mm lens would have been the perfect lens for me, it would have sat centrally between the 35mm and 15mm in terms of AoV...I'm sure Zeiss are only to aware what a dilemma they make for us all...I guess they just hope that we buy both of them at the end of the day...perhaps we will.
    If we buy both then we have the same dilemma each time we pack our photo bag!
    At least if we go for a light three lenses bag.
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Haines View Post
    ... if I already owned a Batis 25mm, especially with a few reports of it being a bit wider than the reputed 25mm FL that it is supposed to be, I would think twice about having this 21mm Loxia as well...Hope this helps...Cheers Barry
    Thank you for your impressions and those from dave. To your last sentence: It helps not! I own the 28/2 and was thinking to add the loxia. So I can get rid of my desire to buy the batis... But now I read your words and want to buy the batis instead of the loxia. Hehe, I think I need to rethink my wide angle prime strategy or just test the loxia in a store as soon as they are available here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    If we buy both then we have the same dilemma each time we pack our photo bag!
    At least if we go for a light three lenses bag.
    Hi Annna...A light 3 lens bag would mean a different choice of lenses for different folks...I agree, I don't ever envisage choosing a 21mm and 25mm both at the same time if I was restricted to only 3 lenses for the day, it would be one or the other.
    I personally like a choice of prime lenses and to alternate them for whatever I intend to shoot for the day...Besides I'm more a 4 lens bag for the day type person...21/35/55/90mm which is perfect for me 95% of the time
    These 4 lenses have a very nice seperation in terms of AoV which makes it clear straight away in my head which lens I'm going to spring for.
    The 21mm MF and 25mm AF lenses although being close in FL are so different to use from one another + They both have their own particular signature
    My comment was aimed at Guy, knowing full well that he wants prime lenses best in class to cover his gigs at many different FL's, I cannot see the day when just 3 lenses will have him satisfied...can you?


    Quote Originally Posted by seb View Post
    Thank you for your impressions and those from dave. To your last sentence: It helps not! I own the 28/2 and was thinking to add the loxia. So I can get rid of my desire to buy the batis... But now I read your words and want to buy the batis instead of the loxia. Hehe, I think I need to rethink my wide angle prime strategy or just test the loxia in a store as soon as they are available here.
    seb...I'm not helping now when I say that the 21mm lens is killer good...I think I dwelt to long on the bad side of this lens...It's like imdb, if you only read the reviews of who hated a film you would never go to the cinema.
    I was just trying to be honest and come over a little less enthusastic than what I have been in the past when a new lens comes out...The 21mm lens delivers the goods be rest assured, it will just take a bit of time to get acquainted to it.
    If I already had the 28mm and was keeping it, I would personally choose the 21mm Loxia over the 25mm Batis...now you are really

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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Sorry Barry.
    Not gonna take a manual focus lens of over an equally good AF one.
    I'll stick w the Batis.
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Great thread, Barry. Your contribution is much appreciated...

    I ordered the Loxia 21 on day one so it shouldn't be too awfully much longer now. I wasn't sure that I'd actually take it but given the zeiss demand/supply imbalances I thought it wise to get in the queue at the top. Looks like it'll be a go...

    Your 21/35/55/90mm setup is a dream kit to many. Very versatile in total and very compact for various configs of a 2-lens go-kit. What bag are you using for that setup? Still happy with your FE90?

    BTW I recognize your table from the Royal Doulton pic! LOL...
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Quote Originally Posted by jim251 View Post
    Great thread, Barry. Your contribution is much appreciated...

    I ordered the Loxia 21 on day one so it shouldn't be too awfully much longer now. I wasn't sure that I'd actually take it but given the zeiss demand/supply imbalances I thought it wise to get in the queue at the top. Looks like it'll be a go...

    Your 21/35/55/90mm setup is a dream kit to many. Very versatile in total and very compact for various configs of a 2-lens go-kit. What bag are you using for that setup? Still happy with your FE90?

    BTW I recognize your table from the Royal Doulton pic! LOL...
    Thanks Jim, I think in all honesty you can't go wrong with either the Batis 25mm or the Loxia 21mm...both are great lenses for sure...Guy, Ute and others are turning out some amazing quality from their 25mm Batis lenses

    Re: The 21mm Loxia, I have been very finely tuning the focussing hyperfocal point for infinity landscape photography to keep everything looking sharp and it's looking good...If I can just get a break with the weather I will go out and shoot something...with a camera that is!

    Yes, extremely happy with the Sony 90mm FE lens together with the 55mm FE and 35mm FE Distagon...The Fab 3 I call them

    I'm still using a cheapo bag/s which will probably get replaced later on when my lens selection is finally all settled out...Having said that the bag is pretty lightweight durable and looks like new after all it's been through...which is from me falling into a pile of seaweed to slipping down the sides of cliffs.

    Here are the links...I can get the 4 lenses (21/35/55/90) with camera squeezed into the larger bag with hoods on and not reversed...The smaller bag will take the 70-200mm together with the 16-35mm and sits in the boot of the car

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    Hopefully your 21mm Loxia will turn up soon and your weather will be good to boot...Look forward to seeing your images when it arrives...Cheers Barry

    PS>>>>Yes, well spotted Jim. I use that sideboard for just about everything including ebay sales....I'm going out now in search of a break in the clouds...Chat later
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Haines View Post
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    seb...I'm not helping now when I say that the 21mm lens is killer good...I think I dwelt to long on the bad side of this lens...It's like imdb, if you only read the reviews of who hated a film you would never go to the cinema.
    I was just trying to be honest and come over a little less enthusastic than what I have been in the past when a new lens comes out...The 21mm lens delivers the goods be rest assured, it will just take a bit of time to get acquainted to it.
    If I already had the 28mm and was keeping it, I would personally choose the 21mm Loxia over the 25mm Batis...now you are really :confused
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    You are helping with your posts.
    My BIG plan is to own a 21/2 Loxia, because I like the 28/2 and want to keep it. I like the focal length and the character of the lens. But still, the 25 batis looks like a beautiful lens, that is hard to ignore.

    Thanks, and I pray for some better weather in England. So you can share more pictures with us!
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Being a long time Pro in the past many shooters would use sort of a gapping system when buying lenses. It still holds today but of course you can do what you want. Problem I found was you wind up buying and selling to make things fit. A 21mm lens as it always has fits into having your 50mm being your lens cap lens. So 15,21,28,50,90 was your standard but 35mm lens cap lens folks (ME) we would go 18,24/25,35,75/85. So for me having the 15,25 this is hard to fit into that gap. But being a manual lens you could make a kit of just small manual lenses to. Mental debate but I got time to decide
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    Congrats on the new Loxia, Barry. Looks like a fantastic lens, which I know you'll put to very good use. Oh, and Happy Birthday!
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

    Okay a couple more discoveries today after a bit of street shooting
    1. Infinity stop is not quite infinity as in the other Loxia's (exactly why they do this for a WA lens I'm not sure)
    2. The lens hood when reversed in storage position on lens doesn't really click into place and fell off twice today and thus has already got scratched (informed my Dealer)
    3. I really am finding the focus-throw at the long end a pain especially after the WATE but I am sure I will get used to it and have bought a white sharpie to makes some reference marks on the lens. Bad bit of design and about the only functional niggle I have.
    4. IQ seems good but the light is so bad and I haven't really had the right subjects to test it on yet.
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    Thanks Doug...whereís my Bíday card I guess itís in the post with that 21mm Distagon you promised me last year
    + A big thanks to seb for that prayer because after practically 40 days and 40 nights of solid rain with heavy winds it just stopped abruptly like a miracle
    I live up on Bodmin Moor and we seem to get a microclimate completely different from the rest of Cornwall...So I headed towards the coast in search of some sunlight, this is Treyarnon (revisited) that has a variety of different benches pointing out to sea.
    All images are 21mm Loxia at various apertures...These are just quickly downsized SOOCís with a minimum of PP with Lens Correction on.
    Please click on Enlargement, many thanks.



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    ^^^ Really nice, Barry. So how do you find the focus experience now that you've had time with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim251 View Post
    ^^^ Really nice, Barry. So how do you find the focus experience now that you've had time with it?
    Hi Jim, I did my tests this morning for DoF and I'm very happy with the results when out in the field...It ain't no big thingy, it just takes a bit of testing upfront, no need IMO to take a scalpel to the lens.

    A few more...Please click on Enlargement...Cheers Barry




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    Hi Barry. Some lovely shots and I wouldn't take a scalpel to the lens!! though I might try to put a white dot at where I discover the hyperfocal distance to be at f8. I love the way the lens renders OOF at f2.8 and on the whole I think it will be a real winner.

    Anyway here you can the difference in design between the Loxia and ZM version (Having looked a the E mount version of the CV 15 mkIII I see that Voigtlander are doing the same thing)
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    Re: Fun with the 21mm Loxia

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    Hi Barry. Some lovely shots and I wouldn't take a scalpel to the lens!! though I might try to put a white dot at where I discover the hyperfocal distance to be at f8. I love the way the lens renders OOF at f2.8 and on the whole I think it will be a real winner
    Thank you David, I misunderstood sorry about that...On my lens at F8 I just align the m (metre distance scale) centrally between F8 and F16 on the right hand side of the DoF scale...that takes pretty much care of infinity and where ever it falls for the foreground which is 2-3 metres away.
    Apart from the few things we have mentioned which are a bit annoying, I am o/a delighted with the lens...It's a winner in my books, it renders lovely wide open and for me the biggest surprise was how brilliantly it performs close up...Thanks again...Cheers Barry

    Edit. As the circumference of the lens gets smaller the focus distance travelled reduces proportionally for a given FL...It's the nature of SWA to bunch up the longer distances and spread out the close focus distances on a helical/screw focussing ring...I think we jut took the benefits of the larger diameter DSLR lenses for granted with their larger diameters but my memory of the WATE it didn't seem quite as bunched up....Cheers Barry?
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    Congratulations on the Loxia and the test shots, lovely. I was also thinking about getting it but after measuring the AoV of the Batis 25 I decided it wouldn't be be best thing to do as this one is a little under 24mm, more like around 23mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose Viegas View Post
    Congratulations on the Loxia and the test shots, lovely. I was also thinking about getting it but after measuring the AoV of the Batis 25 I decided it wouldn't be be best thing to do as this one is a little under 24mm, more like around 23mm.
    Hi Josť, I think you are right that is what I have read somewhere the 25mm Batis is slight wider than what is quoted which reduces the desire further still to own both the 21mm and 25mm...both lenses are superb it pretty much comes down to AF vs MF and the benefits of the smaller size of the Loxia...Cheers Barry

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    If there is a nice person, who need help, I do my best.
    Nice bench portraits... Benches are the new Faces!

    Thanks to you, I will order one...
    Thanks seb for kind words. I really wasn't kidding about the weather it miraculously changed for the better just like that!
    Well I hope you enjoy it when it arrives..I think the 21mm makes much more sense to own than the 25mm in your case as you already have the 28mm Sony...Cheers Barry
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    Barry I fully agree with you on your general conclusions and I too have been especially impressed with the lenses closeup performance and look forward to playing with this aspect of the lens more
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    Hi Josť, I think you are right that is what I have read somewhere the 25mm Batis is slight wider than what is quoted which reduces the desire further still to own both the 21mm and 25mm...both lenses are superb it pretty much comes down to AF vs MF and the benefits of the smaller size of the Loxia...Cheers Barry
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    Lens looks to have some really nice character to it. Nice shots
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    The Ute, crikey $500 that's a big difference!...With the Black Friday discount I paid just £10 ($15) more for the 21mm Loxia...But that wouldn't be the regular price obviously...The price difference in the UK (same store) is just around a £120 (£979 and £1099).

    The Batis has also the advantage of being 59g lighter although it's a bit bigger.


    Thanks Guy, I'm really loving this lens...As said previously it does do rather well at close-ups which I wasn't expecting...Cheers Barry

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    I will double post these images here as well to keep them within the 21mm Loxia thread...hoping that is OK




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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    BTW I'm on my third FE 35 1.4. I bought two with asymmetry issues finally went to local store first lens tried same thing, second lens seems to be a winner.

    Hate to say it but do not buy this lens unless you can test it in store or return it.
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    I'm leaning on buying it but if it was 18 it would have been better for me.
    You are starting to sound like me

    I was also wondering about the relation of this lens to the ZM 21/2.8, which I almost bought once:

    ZM 21/2.8 by unoh7, on Flickr


    Loxia 21 by unoh7, on Flickr


    ZM 21/2.8 by unoh7, on Flickr


    Loxia 21 by unoh7, on Flickr

    Unlike the Loxia 35 and ZM 35/2, there is no relation at all apparently. That's good, because I think it needed some special attention. For a stock camera it's a must have, I think, if you shoot landscape. It's seems optically in the big leagues, for sure. The size and slippery focus ring is a shame. What would be very interesting is to put this lens up against the Kolari and SEM 21. Here a few shots for comparison:
    First just a straight test shot to really see the SEM 21 across the frame at f/4 on A7.mod:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/16445988032/

    and a few samples:

    Light up the leaves by unoh7, Very little PP here. As you can see, good color.

    Hawks CF adapter allows close focus:

    Dying Leaf by unoh7, on Flickr


    Apparition by unoh7, on Flickr

    The nice thing about the SEM is it's smaller and very nice tabbed focus ring. I have no idea which is the stronger lens. I usually just use the SEM on the M9, where it's really sick. But the A7.mod seems to shot it very well.
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    Untitled by Viramati, on Flickr

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    Question for David, Barry, or others lucky enough to have this lens in hand: does the Loxia show much coma (sagittal coma flare) in the corners when shooting wide open? I'm guessing it does, but I'm hoping it doesn't!

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by frozenbb View Post
    Question for David, Barry, or others lucky enough to have this lens in hand: does the Loxia show much coma (sagittal coma flare) in the corners when shooting wide open? I'm guessing it does, but I'm hoping it doesn't!

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    Here are some from a walk with my wife today at Leigh Hill near Dorking. Nothing special as I had no time to stop and compose but hope they give some idea of the lens
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    Why did you go from the WATE to the Loxia 21mm? Have you compared the two --- side by side. Everyone keeps talking about having an 18mm to complement the Batis 25mm .. so why not the Batis 25mm and WATE? Those two give me perfect wide end focal lengths. The WATE with the variable close up Voigtlander adapter gives one the ability to use the WATE at very close distances. It is the most diverse wide angle lens. It is small too. Expensive yes.....but not too much if the alternative is two lenses to cover the wide side. The other thing is that I would give up the 4mm to have the AF of the Batis. I love that lens too. Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Viramati View Post
    Okay a couple more discoveries today after a bit of street shooting
    1. Infinity stop is not quite infinity as in the other Loxia's (exactly why they do this for a WA lens I'm not sure)
    2. The lens hood when reversed in storage position on lens doesn't really click into place and fell off twice today and thus has already got scratched (informed my Dealer)
    3. I really am finding the focus-throw at the long end a pain especially after the WATE but I am sure I will get used to it and have bought a white sharpie to makes some reference marks on the lens. Bad bit of design and about the only functional niggle I have.
    4. IQ seems good but the light is so bad and I haven't really had the right subjects to test it on yet.
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    David
    Why did you go from the WATE to the Loxia 21mm? Have you compared the two --- side by side. Everyone keeps talking about having an 18mm to complement the Batis 25mm .. so why not the Batis 25mm and WATE? Those two give me perfect wide end focal lengths. The WATE with the variable close up Voigtlander adapter gives one the ability to use the WATE at very close distances. It is the most diverse wide angle lens. It is small too. Expensive yes.....but not too much if the alternative is two lenses to cover the wide side. The other thing is that I would give up the 4mm to have the AF of the Batis. I love that lens too. Mark
    I haven't and can no longer compare the two as I have now sold my WATE. As good as the WATE was on the M240 it didn't get a lot of use when I moved to the Sony system and consequently was a very expensive piece of glass just to leave sitting in the safe. I find that my CV15 mkIII on the whole (and especially in the corners) performed better than the WATE at 16mm. I also wanted something a little faster than f4 as I often like to shoot wide open even in landscape work to get some subject separation. The only thing so far I missing about the WATE on the Loxia (and I don't want to go on about it) is the focus-throw at the long end. If they had bought to a Batis 21 I may have gone for that but as it is the 25 is to near the focal length of my Leica Q. The WATE also has the moustache distortion which can be hard to correct. So basically I loved the WATE but couldn't really justify keeping it for the use it was getting

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    Hi Tom, Not exactly the kind of example sample that you were hoping or looking for I’m sure + It’s also way to close and some field curvature of the lens is probably not helping matters either!
    The weather here is still dreadful, rain, cloud and now gales!!! No stars in sight and a tripod would take off like an umbrella in a hurricane!...Anyway it may be of some help or informative to you, I will let you be the judge
    The lights are sharper in the middle where I focused and the lights spread/stretch very slightly outwards when they are at the edge and corner of the frame, as said earlier I’m much to close at f2.8 and some lens field curvature and wind on the cable is probably at play...Loxia 21mm shot at F2.8 "handheld" 1/13th sec...I have included the “FULL SIZE” SOOC for you as the link below so you can pixel peep at a 100%
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    David Thanks for the information. I don't think the corners are that bad on the WATE but i have not compared with the CV15. There is some vignetting. I also rarely shoot at wide open on the wide end so that is not an issue for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viramati View Post
    I haven't and can no longer compare the two as I have now sold my WATE. As good as the WATE was on the M240 it didn't get a lot of use when I moved to the Sony system and consequently was a very expensive piece of glass just to leave sitting in the safe. I find that my CV15 mkIII on the whole (and especially in the corners) performed better than the WATE at 16mm. I also wanted something a little faster than f4 as I often like to shoot wide open even in landscape work to get some subject separation. The only thing so far I missing about the WATE on the Loxia (and I don't want to go on about it) is the focus-throw at the long end. If they had bought to a Batis 21 I may have gone for that but as it is the 25 is to near the focal length of my Leica Q. The WATE also has the moustache distortion which can be hard to correct. So basically I loved the WATE but couldn't really justify keeping it for the use it was getting

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    David Thanks for the information. I don't think the corners are that bad on the WATE but i have not compared with the CV15. There is some vignetting. I also rarely shoot at wide open on the wide end so that is not an issue for me.
    For it's price the CV15 mkIII is a remarkable lens and I was finding that it bettered the WATe ver so slightly when even when stopped down. The other thing with the WATE is that it is a real pain to use with grad filters or big stopper. Anyway I am sure I will miss it is some ways as I do the Leica M but it was time to move on

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    Thanks David and Barry.

    It's still too early to tell for sure, but coma does seem reasonably well corrected in the Loxia 21 - certainly better corrected than some of the Leica/Canon/Nikon ultrawides I've seen. So yes, it may be a reasonable choice for ultra-wide field astrophotography (a bonus as far as I'm concerned). Did I mention that I want this lens?
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    Thanks David and Barry.

    It's still too early to tell for sure, but coma does seem reasonably well corrected in the Loxia 21 - certainly better corrected than some of the Leica/Canon/Nikon ultrawides I've seen. So yes, it may be a reasonable choice for ultra-wide field astrophotography (a bonus as far as I'm concerned). Did I mention that I want this lens?
    Tom, it might pay to hold tight just until we establish if infinity images are truly achievable (or stars in your case) as you will be shooting WO at F2.8...just my 2 pence worth...Otherwise this lens looks pretty good for your needs I think.
    signing off now to get some sleep...chat later...Cheers Barry

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    Of course you're right that we need more info regarding infinity performance... The good news (for my wallet) is that Zeiss production capacity will FORCE me to hold tight for at least a month or two!
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    Infinity on mine is ever so slightly back from the stop. I don't do astro photography but I don't think it would be problem as I find it quite easy to judge. I would test but we never really get to see stars here in central London

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