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Could you clarify?I'm only interested in 'high quality optics', whether they are slow&small&light or fast&large&heavy.
It's the not-so-well-made fact I'm mostly concerned about.
Reason why I only have one native FE Sony lens (24-240).
I guess maintaining the market share of around 10% that they have had since they took over Konica Minolta's camera division can be called a kind of success. There are others who have done much worse. But to say that Canikon, with a combined share well over 60% of the same market don't know what they are doing is probably to exaggerate somewhat. 10% is 10%, and if that doesn't change, Sony's camera division is on shaky ground.Sony is making their shareholders very happy, and trust me, they know what they are doing. Unfortunately the same can not be said about Canikon.
Look where DSLR's are heading.I guess maintaining the market share of around 10% that they have had since they took over Konica Minolta's camera division can be called a kind of success. There are others who have done much worse. But to say that Canikon, with a combined share well over 60% of the same market don't know what they are doing is probably to exaggerate somewhat. 10% is 10%, and if that doesn't change, Sony's camera division is on shaky ground.
As for the sensor production, there's no way that Sony can stop selling to others. Reducing the production with more than 50%, probably much more, will either increase prices or reduce profit. Sony probably cannot live with either. There is competition out there. Not all Nikon's DSLR sensors are made by Sony and none of Canon's are.
I agree. But I do think Sony is selling pretty hot right now. My only concern as a end user is the company is viable and willing to take on risk reward products and innovate like crazy. No one else is really innovating like Sony. Im hanging out with SonyI think it's pointless to judge the success of a company by # of units sold and market share. In the end it's margin and profit that determine longevity.
And looking at the first graph above I don't think any company or camera style is selling particularly well the last 3-4 month.
According to that curve, mirrorless is heading in the same direction, downwards, and they are much closer to the bottom. If you had read my post further up, you would have seen that DSLR sales feel dramatically (26%) in 2014, which is what you see in that diagram which stops at January 2015. You would also have seen that DSLR sales fell much less in 2015 (8%). If you had bothered to read the CIPA statistics, you would have known these and other things.Look where DSLR's are heading.
And this is the latest trend of the best-selling cameras in the world, smartphones. 40% of these cameras use Sony sensors.
Are you still going to argue Canikon is doing better than Sony?
I agree with much of what you say. However, even if Sony didn't invent the technologies she uses, she was able to combine all these in a remarkable camera where the sum is more than the parts and in a smaller body.According to that curve, (...)
When it comes to Sony and innovation, I would like to see exactly what they have innovated when it comes to cameras apart from installing a relatively large sensor in a small, mirrorless camera.
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However, Sony is the first camera manufacturer to launch lenses for their mirrorless cameras that are as large and heavy as their DSLR counterparts
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There is of course the MF crowd and a bunch of landscape shooters around, but that is a niche market, and the competition is rather tough, not least considering the fact that MF cameras have larger sensors, which is still an advantage for much of the photography where very high resolution is needed.
If they wanted to make an impression, they should have gone for Leica's throat, designing some really excellent compact primes. How much does Leica charge for that 50mm Summicron APO? $6,000? There's money in tiny things too, and a great compact prime quartet would be very hard to resist for people like me. But the stuff they have launched now is just... yeah, fine... do these come with wheels?
Some of use like to :deadhorse: over and over again ... :grin:This OT subject has already been beaten to death before.
Why now flog it again? :ROTFL:
Do you know how Leica accomplishes such amazing performance in a small package? They don't! Probably achieved those rather amazing claimed 50/2 Apo MTF results using the sort of film used for reproducing documents and line art (yes film) Let them re-test using one of their digital camera bodies and see if you still think it can compete with the best.If they wanted to make an impression, they should have gone for Leica's throat, designing some really excellent compact primes. How much does Leica charge for that 50mm Summicron APO? $6,000? There's money in tiny things too, and a great compact prime quartet would be very hard to resist for people like me. But the stuff they have launched now is just... yeah, fine... do these come with wheels?
Mmm, it's a comforting thought: standing next to Jørgen shoulder to shoulder last men of the DSLR tribe swaying our Nikon behemoths ... :ROTFL:Oh, come on! No one got converted to Nikon or Canon yet?
If you are so happy and secure with your choices and couldn't care less about Sony, why do you spend so much time here? I don't get it.According to that curve, mirrorless is heading in the same direction, downwards, and they are much closer to the bottom. If you had read my post further up, you would have seen that DSLR sales feel dramatically (26%) in 2014, which is what you see in that diagram which stops at January 2015. You would also have seen that DSLR sales fell much less in 2015 (8%). If you had bothered to read the CIPA statistics, you would have known these and other things.
I don't know the size of the smiles of Sony's shareholders, and I don't care. As long as the camera supplier of my choice makes enough profit to develop new ideas and to survive comfortably, my smile is wide enough for me. As for how well Sony is doing selling sensors, that doesn't have anything to do with how good or popular their cameras are. Their market share is relatively constant. Do you want me to repeat that again?
He's a closet Sony fan like many others are. Many are fans of Sony innovation and free nature to develop conceptual products that no one else is willing to do. Do you think there would be a Leica SL or that people would still clamor for CaNikon to jump into the FF mirrorless race if Sony wasn't developing these successful products that they'd like to have in EF or FX mount!?!If you are so happy and secure with your choices and couldn't care less about Sony, why do you spend so much time here? I don't get it.
I doubt many understand it, but it's the way of things with users of competing brands. They come to Sony forums, make up stuff and/or manipulate data or give unsolicited/unfounded/unsupported statements and opinions. It's a mystery where this insecurity comes from.If you are so happy and secure with your choices and couldn't care less about Sony, why do you spend so much time here? I don't get it.
If you are so happy and secure with your choices and couldn't care less about Sony, why do you spend so much time here? I don't get it.
You are right of course. Sony has developed the camera that many or most Canon and Nikon users wish that those brands had come up with. The most important reason why Canikon doesn't do it is clearly that they make an awful lot of money on the older technology. Nobody wants to challenge his most important source of income. Sony on the other hand entered the DSLR market with fanfare, declaring that within short time, they would be number one or two or whatever... I don't have time to dig into those old press releases and news articles. When they couldn't, they wanted to find another way to the top spot.He's a closet Sony fan like many others are. Many are fans of Sony innovation and free nature to develop conceptual products that no one else is willing to do. Do you think there would be a Leica SL or that people would still clamor for CaNikon to jump into the FF mirrorless race if Sony wasn't developing these successful products that they'd like to have in EF or FX mount!?!
Even in non-Sony forums many manage to belittle the Sony brand and reiterate their "distaste" for their cameras as gadgets rather than cameras.