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    G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    There goes my budget for the year.

    70-200mm f/2.8, 24-70mm f/2.8 & 85mm f/1.4

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    Sorry, fixed typo - it's a 24-70mm, not 28-70mm.
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    Re: G Master lenses - 28-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    I'll be buying the 24-70. I'll rent the 70-200 for my runway stuff now. Having the Batis 85 not sure I will go for the 85 1.4 but maybe. Looks like I'll be selling my 24-70 and my 70-200 F4 lenses now.
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    Re: G Master lenses - 28-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Oh, and 1.4x and 2x Teleconverters models SEL14TC and SEL20TC!
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    Re: G Master lenses - 28-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Now we're talkin'.

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    Re: G Master lenses - 28-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'll be buying the 28-70. I'll rent the 70-200 for my runway stuff now. Having the Batis 85 not sure I will go for the 85 1.4 but maybe. Looks like I'll be selling my 24-70 and my 70-200 F4 lenses now.
    Oops, there was a typo. It's a 24-70mm, not 28-70mm.

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    On the 24-70 and 70-200 do we really need the extra 1 f-stop?

    The 85/1.4 looks very tasty!
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    For me it would be helpful as I can shoot faster F stops. Better said a 2.8 zoom will hit its peak at 5.6 a F4 zoom hits it at F8. Its not just speed overall its ability to get sharper images a stop faster. There big though so your going to pay a penalty somewhere. I do wish they hit us with a prime 135 though as that i would buy and rent the 70-200
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    B&H has the specs. For the 24-70 they are

    Filter Thread Front: 82 mm
    Dimensions (DxL) Approx. 3.45 x 5.35" (87.6 x 136 mm)
    Weight 1.95 lb (886 g)

    It's a monster!
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by sbay View Post
    B&H has the specs. For the 24-70 they are

    Filter Thread Front: 82 mm
    Dimensions (DxL) Approx. 3.45 x 5.35" (87.6 x 136 mm)
    Weight 1.95 lb (886 g)

    It's a monster!
    Yes. It is.
    I thought the whole point of the FE line was to be smaller and lighter than DSLR's.
    The way these weights and dimensions are creeping up there it seems to be at cross-purposes w the intended goal.
    By the way, if you want a really good 24-70 at a fraction of the cost try the Tamron 24-70.
    Even w the LA-EA3 adapter it is still going to be way cheaper and should be no heavier or larger.
    If you have a Canon adapter you even get the benefit of in-lens stabilization.
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    There addressing the Pro market. Welcome to 2.8 zooms, heavy, bulky and costly. No getting around it if you want to play in this market. Obviously going after Nikon and Canon too.

    Frankly this is a great move on Sonys part buy it or not they are serious
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    These lenses are about much more than just one stop greater speed.

    Sony is making bold claims about insane resolution as well as outstanding bokeh.

    They are also touting faster AF. That will be welcome with all the existing cameras.

    To deliver on the resolution claims Sony will have to have beefed up their manufacturing processes and ability to deliver a consistently high quality lens.

    I am very excited about all 3 lenses.

    But, the new 6300 looks like an incredible camera as well.

    Now, where is the full frame FE mount body that shoots a high frame rate with great AF and a big butt? I mean big buffer.

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    Re: G Master lenses - 28-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    Oh, and 1.4x and 2x Teleconverters models SEL14TC and SEL20TC!




    Pair the TCs + the fast zooms on the A6300 for even longer reach!

    Exciting times!
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    There addressing the Pro market. Welcome to 2.8 zooms, heavy, bulky and costly. No getting around it if you want to play in this market. Obviously going after Nikon and Canon too.

    Frankly this is a great move on Sonys part buy it or not they are serious
    I agree. I'm very glad that they are addressing the lack of native 2.8 zooms even though I probably won't use them myself. It does help improve the viability of the whole ecosystem.
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    I was waiting for a sony G 85/1.4 and also for a 24-70/2.8. The 70-200/2.8 will bring the price down for the 70-200/4, what was on my list too. But now the 2.8 has these converters... grrr.... Looks like a pricey year... again...

    anyway, let's see how they perform, before I order one...

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    That 85mm f/1.4....


    Sex...........
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    That 85mm f/1.4....


    Sex...........

    I was thinking the same thing. Dirty minds. LOL
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    Re: G Master lenses - 28-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Looks like I'll be selling my 24-70 and my 70-200 F4 lenses now.
    Me too. This will get me back to the lens lineup I had when shooting Nikon. The f/2.8 lenses are a welcome addition and I'll sell my f/4 equivalents.

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    On the 24-70 and 70-200 do we really need the extra 1 f-stop?
    Yep. For a whole bunch of reasons. Sharper images at f/4 and f/5.6 as Guy mentioned. Better subject separation from background when wide open. More low light opportunities at lower ISOs. Better AF performance (and ability to manually focus) with more light through an f/2.8 lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Better AF performance (and ability to manually focus) with more light through an f/2.8 lens.

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    For me, this is probably the most important capability, especially with the 24-70.
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    They are clearly going after the Canikon users with that move. But then, if they are producing lenses that are slightly bigger and slightly heavier than their Canon counterpart, I don't get it !

    Why not just keep the A-mount and design a mirrorless body for that mount ?

    They had designed a wonderful small body with the A7 first version. They should have kept that logic and produced a set of light sharp lenses to make a small and light system with excellent lenses. Something like a digital M for travel and reportage photography. And have a second line of bigger bodies for those needing fast and heavy lenses. Was it not possible to make a mirrorless body in a shape like the A99 A900 ? I think that a mirrorless A99 would have been just as able as, or even better able than an A7r2 to hunt Canikon customers.

    As is, they are going to face some technical challenges due to the size of the body (heat dissipation, ergonomics, not to speak of the short flange distance complicating things for lenses) and the day Canikon awake and produce mirrorless bodies in their usual camera shapes polished ergonomics, the Sony FF mirrorless may explode in their hands. Sony seems to abandon its A-mount, but that seems a bad move to me. The E-mount has both a too short flange and a too small diameter. That will uselessly complicate the design of lenses with zero advantages in return, since now their lenses are as big as those of Canikon.

    Retrospectively I think that the introducing of the FF FE mount has not been well thought and they are developing their different camerasystem lines erratically.

    I love my A7r and got accustomed to the bigger A7rII, but I'm not happy with the lenses coming out for that system. The A7r and r2 are little gems of cameras but I want lenses tailored for that.
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    The product development rate at Sony is pretty astounding. The engineers must not get too much sleep.

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    None of these appeal.

    What I want is some more wider angle lenses.

    With the paucity of the 21 and 25 Zeiss lenses I'd take a 21 G 2.8 or even 4.0.

    I can see these new lenses being useful for working pros (maybe) if f2.8 is an absolute must.

    My 70-200/4 was such a dog that I sold it after two weeks so any improvement there would be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    on the 24-70 and 70-200 do we really need the extra 1 f-stop?
    yes !

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    These lenses are made for stellar performance, not for compactness.

    I'm just thinking: IF they are what they promise (read what they say about G Master), then they will be better than other lenses in this range. And this may change a lot. An A7RII / SII with all the special benefits in low light (evf, faster AF with fast lenses), shutter (silent shutter) and these lenses... In terms of a event photographer this is the last puzzle to be a game changer... And if we look back, what they promised with the FE-series? They also fullfilled it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    They are clearly going after the Canikon users with that move. But then, if they are producing lenses that are slightly bigger and slightly heavier than their Canon counterpart, I don't get it !

    Why not just keep the A-mount and design a mirrorless body for that mount ?

    They had designed a wonderful small body with the A7 first version. They should have kept that logic and produced a set of light sharp lenses to make a small and light system with excellent lenses. Something like a digital M for travel and reportage photography. And have a second line of bigger bodies for those needing fast and heavy lenses. Was it not possible to make a mirrorless body in a shape like the A99 A900 ? I think that a mirrorless A99 would have been just as able as, or even better able than an A7r2 to hunt Canikon customers.

    As is, they are going to face some technical challenges due to the size of the body (heat dissipation, ergonomics, not to speak of the short flange distance complicating things for lenses) and the day Canikon awake and produce mirrorless bodies in their usual camera shapes polished ergonomics, the Sony FF mirrorless may explode in their hands. Sony seems to abandon its A-mount, but that seems a bad move to me. The E-mount has both a too short flange and a too small diameter. That will uselessly complicate the design of lenses with zero advantages in return, since now their lenses are as big as those of Canikon.

    Retrospectively I think that the introducing if the FF FE mount has not been well thought and they are developing their different camerasystem lines erratically.

    I love my A7r and got accustomed to the bigger A7rII, but I'm not happy with the lenses coming out for that system. The A7r and r2 are little gems of cameras but I want lenses tailored for that.

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    hurray ! for me this lenses are a big step towards abandon canon completely !

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Absolutely zero interest in large, heavy and extremely expensive 2.8 zooms. I don't care how good they are.
    For too long I carried the heft of Canon and Sony Alpha A mount Cameras and lenses. My photography hasn't changed, I've just decided small and light is the way I want to go.

    Portraiture is a particular area I take a lot of images in, I may compromise and take a serious look at the 85G. But it would want to be absolutely spectacular and ooze character for me to move from my MF primes. The f/1.4 is an absolute waste for this purpose, f/3.2 is the sweet spot for what I need @85mm, other than that everything else shot at wider apertures is purely for area isolation.

    Others may have a need for it and I'm happy that Sony has come to the table with quality glass that meets their requirements.
    I on the other hand feel neglected, the 35 f/2.8 & 55 f/1.8 showed what could be achieved in a small compact FF Lens changeable system, they seem to have shifted the goal posts.

    So now the wait continues ....
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Well I'm sure that optically they will be very good but at this size and cost one really has to ask why would you really want to move from Canon or Nikon. Anyway they're not for me and I would have preferred to see a FE35 f2 and FE50 F1.4 but I'm sure that will make a lot of people happy

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    Re: G Master lenses - 28-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post




    Pair the TCs + the fast zooms on the A6300 for even longer reach!

    Exciting times!
    Wow! Yes! Put the 70-200 with the 2x on the a6300 and that gets you to 600mm at f5.6 in a manageable and versatile package. No need to choose between the 70-200 and the 70-400.

    Slap the 24-70 on an A7 r2 and you are Safari ready.

    Well, plus the crazy expensive travel expense, the hotel, private guide and truck, time off work and other small considerations.

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    will definitely get the A6300 (may after first wave of discount)

    the 24-70mm is interestingly large to the point that it's almost shouting the rumoured A9 will be the size of a Leica SL.
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    I fully understand that there are a number of photographers for whom the trade off between the fast 2.8 apertures and the significant increases in size and weight that such zooms necessitate is acceptable. However, I think there is a very large number of photographers that don't like that trade off. We would like to see state of the art f/4 zooms that deliver exceptional optical performance, and let Sony put the same super premium price tag on them as the bigger f/2.8 versions. This would be in keeping with the original premise of the A7 line of cameras. I wish Sony understood this.
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by seb View Post
    These lenses are made for stellar performance, not for compactness.

    I'm just thinking: IF they are what they promise (read what they say about G Master), then they will be better than other lenses in this range. And this may change a lot. An A7RII / SII with all the special benefits in low light (evf, faster AF with fast lenses), shutter (silent shutter) and these lenses... In terms of a event photographer this is the last puzzle to be a game changer... And if we look back, what they promised with the FE-series? They also fullfilled it.
    They should have put all that (sensor, mirrorless advantages etc..) in a bigger DSLRs like body and maintain two lines of clearly differentiated bodies. Ask the owners of the Sony DSLRs whether they are happy to switch to an A7r2 ..
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    I just looked at my FE70-200/F4 and can see no reason why the tele-extenders won't physically work with it. We'll have to see if/what electronics are passed through.

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by dandrewk View Post
    I just looked at my FE70-200/F4 and can see no reason why the tele-extenders won't physically work with it. We'll have to see if/what electronics are passed through.
    The TCs will likely work with the f/4 lens, passing full EXIF. The difficulty (learned from my use of Nikon TCs) is (or could be) with AF. The amount of light reaching the AF sensors is sometimes insufficient to ensure AF accuracy with an f/4 lens. Hunting ensues. Manual focus with a TC may also be more difficult in low light situations when using an f/4 lens. Just my two cents.

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    It will not be possible to mount some of the lenses on the TCs becaus eof the protrusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    It will not be possible to mount some of the lenses on the TCs becaus eof the protrusions.
    Yes indeed, and buyers need to take caution. The TC will fit with the FE70-200/F4, but maybe not others.

    I've heard horror stories of folks trying to use a TC on an "incompatible" zoom lens. It fits at the lower FL range, but if you try and zoom in, you get a clash of lens elements. Not good.

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    They should have put all that (sensor, mirrorless advantages etc..) in a bigger DSLRs like body and maintain two lines of clearly differentiated bodies. Ask the owners of the Sony DSLRs whether they are happy to switch to an A7r2 ..
    It's not that I was waiting for these lenses (except the 85/1.4). I prefer primes for my personal shooting. But, when I ignore my personal preferences, I think, sony made a good shot with bringing these lenses.

    Btw, here are some 85/1.4 samples:
    http://www.imaging-resource.com/news...-master-lenses

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    I'll wait for Roger Cicala and his helpers to take these lenses apart and report their findings.
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

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    The TCs will likely work with the f/4 lens, passing full EXIF. The difficulty (learned from my use of Nikon TCs) is (or could be) with AF. The amount of light reaching the AF sensors is sometimes insufficient to ensure AF accuracy with an f/4 lens. Hunting ensues. Manual focus with a TC may also be more difficult in low light situations when using an f/4 lens. Just my two cents.

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    The A7r2 plus Metabones V4 T are able to focus my Canon E-F 70-200mm F4 with the 1.4 extender. Sometimes it hunt in low light and I just open the aperture to focus and step down again after that. But in good light I can stay at F8.

    That said, native lenses are focusing wide open if I remember correctly. So the Sony 70-200mm F4 shouldn't get problems for focusing.

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Bring me a G Master 24-105 f/4

    And a sports oriented A7 body before I take the a6300 and A7r2 and throw them both into a burlap sack then shake it until I get what I want.

    I'm warning you Sony, I'll do it !

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Yikes, very pricey and large. Well, I guess Sony wants their FE cameras to appear as a "Pro" option with these lenses. Camerasize has added them (and the A6300) already:

    http://camerasize.com/compact/#656.515,656.393,ha,t

    Even though the 85/1.4 and the 70-200/2.8 don't look much larger than their slower FE counterparts (the Batis and F4 zoom), the weight tells the real story--these lenses weigh about twice as much. Must be a lot of glass in there! The 24-70/2.8 on the other hand is strikingly larger than the 24-70/4.

    These lenses aren't for me I think, but the silver lining is that I might be able to snap up a second-hand Batis 85 soon
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    Yikes, very pricey and large.
    It depends on your point of reference. The Leica 24-90 SL (also designed for mirrorless) is slower, larger, 30% heavier and 2.5x more expensive.
    DSLR comparisons make Sony's offering look even more svelte. How much does a Canon DSLR with A7Rii resolution and 4K video weigh when paired with a 24-70/2.8 lens?

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by lambert View Post
    It depends on your point of reference. The Leica 24-90 SL (also designed for mirrorless) is slower, larger, 30% heavier and 2.5x more expensive.
    DSLR comparisons make Sony's offering look even more svelte. How much does a Canon DSLR with A7Rii resolution and 4K video weigh when paired with a 24-70/2.8 lens?
    No you are wrong, at least when it comes to Canon :
    EF 24-70mm F2.8 L USM II 805gr 89mm x 113mm
    FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM 886gr 88mm x 136mm

    And the 5Ds weight 930gr against 625gr for the A7r2

    So we are pretty much back in DSLRs territory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    No you are wrong, at least when it comes to Canon :
    EF 24-70mm F2.8 L USM II 805gr 89mm x 113mm
    FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM 886gr 88mm x 136mm

    And the 5Ds weight 930gr against 625gr for the A7r2

    So we are pretty much back in DSLRs territory.
    Yes there simply is no getting around physics here. It's full frame it's needs the same as any other full frame canon or Nikon.

    Annna these are not meant for light weight small size. These are directly in Canons and Nikons face and making a huge statement for Pro use. This now gives Sony more power to sell and convert Pros and get them over to Sony. This announcement is involving far more than just lenses. This is a statement release. Sony needed to do this. Buy it or not that's okay we have other choices but these needed to come to market. There are a lot of Pros like me that been waiting to see what Sony does and they picked exactly that right 3 lenses to convert them over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    No you are wrong, at least when it comes to Canon :
    EF 24-70mm F2.8 L USM II 805gr 89mm x 113mm
    FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM 886gr 88mm x 136mm

    And the 5Ds weight 930gr against 625gr for the A7r2

    So we are pretty much back in DSLRs territory.
    Not entirely fair comparison. 5Ds may compete with A7R2 on stills but not in terms of video, lacking 4k as well as IBIS.

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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

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    Yes there simply is no getting around physics here. It's full frame it's needs the same as any other full frame canon or Nikon.

    Annna these are not meant for light weight small size. These are directly in Canons and Nikons face and making a huge statement for Pro use. This now gives Sony more power to sell and convert Pros and get them over to Sony. This announcement is involving far more than just lenses. This is a statement release. Sony needed to do this. Buy it or not that's okay we have other choices but these needed to come to market. There are a lot of Pros like me that been waiting to see what Sony does and they picked exactly that right 3 lenses to convert them over.
    What I don't understand is why they make that move with the A7r. Why didn't they just put the A7r2 sensor in an A99 or A900 kind of body and add all the advantages of mirrorless to that ? That would make a perfect pro body and the lenses are already available.. And keep the A7 line for a light system. They were on something with the first A7 bodies and lens. I think it is a blunder to mix a pro heavy duty set of lenses with the A7 form factor, it is just not coherent.
    Also are they leaving the owners of Sony DSLRs bodies go away ?

    I can well see the needs of pros, it is just that I don't think they should/can be satisfied with an A7 kind of body. As is Sony is not developing the A7 system in the right direction; they are making a mess, blurring lines between their different lines of products. It doesn't make sense and isn't coherent. It is as if they were only planning things for the very short term, listening too much to what is heard on social network, where everyone wants the widest lenses, the fastest aperture etc..
    You satisfy different needs with different product lines. The A7r started in one direction and is now heading elsewhere, while the A-mount seems forgotten.

    Sony has wonderful sensors and remarkable technology, but they aren't implementing it in a coherent sets of products.
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    I agree that it is incoherent.
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    Nice additions and I expected them. The 85 is the most interesting to me as it would likely pair perfectly with the 35/1.4 Distagon followed by the 70-200/2.8 +2.0 Extender. I'd likely pass on any 24-70 as I prefer primes in this range personally.

    Im still waiting on a "pro" body A9 (hence why I haven't purchased a A7R2 yet) and Sony has right up until Fuji announces their rumored MF system to release it if it lives up to the hype. If so I'd probably just retain my full spectrum A7R unless Guji releases an IR version of their MF camera as well.
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by lambert View Post
    Not entirely fair comparison. 5Ds may compete with A7R2 on stills but not in terms of video, lacking 4k as well as IBIS.
    The Canon system is well stabilized, it is in the lenses, that need it. As for 4K I don't think it will add much weight to Canon bodies when they add it (their bodies are enough big to dissipate heat, unlike the smaller Sony bodies).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    What I don't understand is why they make that move with the A7r. Why didn't they just put the A7r2 sensor in an A99 or A900 kind of body and add all the advantages of mirrorless to that ? That would make a perfect pro body and the lenses are already available.. And keep the A7 line for a light system. They were on something with the first A7 bodies and lens. I think it is a blunder to mix a pro heavy duty set of lenses with the A7 form factor, it is just not coherent.
    Also are they leaving the owners of Sony DSLRs bodies go away ?

    I can we'll see the needs of pro, it is just that I don't think they should/can be satisfied with an A7 kind of body. As is Sony is not developing the A7 system in the right direction; they are making a mess, blurring lines between their different lines of products. It doesn't make sense and isn't coherent. It is as if they were only planning things for the very short term, listening too much to what is heard on social network, where everyone wants the widest lenses, the fastest aperture etc..
    You satisfy different needs with different product lines. The A7r started in one direction and is now heading elsewhere, while the A-mount seems forgotten.

    Sony has wonderful sensors and remarkable technology, but they aren't implementing it well in a coherent line of products
    I'll give Sony this (and for the same reason Leica generally pushes f/2 or faster lenses) few people are going to invest heavily in a system full of f/4 or slower lenses even if they're small. If DOF doesn't matter then there are plenty of cropped sensor bodies that will give small, light, and relatively fast while remaining compact.

    If Sony produced a bunch of f/4 lenses without the fast stuff I'd still be shooting Leica M's and I suspect Guy (and many others) would still be shooting CaNikon...
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    Re: G Master lenses - 24-70mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.4 & 70-200mm f/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I'll give Sony this (and for the same reason Leica generally pushes f/2 or faster lenses) few people are going to invest heavily in a system full of f/4 or slower lenses even if they're small. If DOF doesn't matter then there are plenty of cropped sensor bodies that will give small, light, and relatively fast while remaining compact.

    If Sony produced a bunch of f/4 lenses without the fast stuff I'd still be shooting Leica M's and I suspect Guy (and many others) would still be shooting CaNikon...
    That is correct. Pros would not go to Sony so they HAVE to make lenses in 1.4 and 2.8 variety.

    Now bodies. Annna you bring up a good point but again Im afraid its ONLY going to be FE lenses. A lenses are dead and gone from Sony's mindset. they gave us a new A6300 and I suspect next we will see a Full Frame FE mount Pro model next but my guess it won't be much bigger. They will add the A6300 af engine, 2 card slots and a bigger battery after that not much to add over the A7rII as really they are the only things really missing. Sure maybe some more small feature sets and maybe more custom buttons. But its not going to be a Canon Missile launcher . They lose there market if it gets too big
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