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    Sony RX1R II vs. Sony RX1...... Round one....FIGHT!

    1st up, the Sony RX1R II:



    Sony RX1R II, 35mm Zeiss f/4, ISO100, 1/1000sec.




    2nd up, the original cult classic:



    Sony RX1, 35mm f/4, ISO100, 1/2000sec
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    1st up, the Sony RX1R II:


    Lucille, I realize this is probably more a function of camera profile but I am seeing slightly more micro contrast on the original viewed on my iPhone 6plus. Not knowing what the colors were there at the time of the shot I would basically call it a jump ball between the two cameras as to which is better.



    Sony RX1R II, 35mm Zeiss f/4, ISO100, 1/1000sec.




    2nd up, the original cult classic:



    Sony RX1, 35mm f/4, ISO100, 1/2000sec

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    Round 2......FIGHT!



    1st up RX1R II:



    Sony RX1R II, 35mm f/4, ISO100, 1/1250sec.







    2nd up RX1:




    Sony RX1, 35mm f/4, ISO100, 1/2500sec.
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    Re: Sony RX1R II vs. Sony RX1...... Round one....FIGHT!

    There seems to be a definite profile or processing difference with the rx1r II having greater shadow and highlight detail, assuming no other processing differences with the images. Ditto white balance is cooler in the second set of shots with the rx1r vs II.

    Are these jpg or processed? I'm surprised by the exposure differences tbh.
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    Shutter speed in both original RX1R photos is double the speed of the RX1RII.

    Should account for the difference in exposure given the same ISO and f-stop. Was there a reason why you shot at different shutter speeds?

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    The RX1 images had the shorter exposure but yet appear to have more contrast and hot in the highlights. The slower RX1r II images by comparison have better shadows yet also hold the highlights better hence my question about processing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    There seems to be a definite profile or processing difference with the rx1r II having greater shadow and highlight detail, assuming no other processing differences with the images. Ditto white balance is cooler in the second set of shots with the rx1r vs II.

    Are these jpg or processed? I'm surprised by the exposure differences tbh.

    They are jpg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Shutter speed in both original RX1R photos is double the speed of the RX1RII.

    Should account for the difference in exposure given the same ISO and f-stop. Was there a reason why you shot at different shutter speeds?


    Just trying to get the exposure right in the LCD screen. I had the LCD screen on the Rx1 turned to 'Sunny Weather' so it fooled me into thinking the exposure was correct, upon looking at them on my monitor the Rx1 shots were under exposed.
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    RX1R II

    Sony RX1R II, 35mm f/2, ISO1600, 1/100sec.





    RX1

    Sony Rx1, 35mm f/2, ISO2000, 1/100sec.
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    Since i own the original RX1, i think you saved me 3k,
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    Re: Sony RX1R II vs. Sony RX1...... Round one....FIGHT!

    Hep,

    Since these are JPEG, just curious if the DR-O settings are the same on both cameras, as well as the picture profiles.

    That last shot was a lot closer but the RX1RII image sure looked flatter (a good thing to my eyes) but wondering if the difference is just due to processing settings.

    Otherwise, at web resolution there shouldn't be much to tell the two apart. The difference is really in the handling and the resolution.

    Thanks for running this little test. Always fun to see the results and a pain to do them yourself, so thanks again!

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    Seems to me the 42mpx is handling the highlights better, shadows more open and technically it should but I also see th detail is better as well. Really this is how it should be as the 42 sensor has more DR and a bigger more detailed sensor. Now not saying the RX1 is getting slammed and actually it looks pretty darn good and if you don't need the MPX or DR extra abilities than the RX1 is not a bad choice at all and given the money spread used RX1 versus the new RXII a very good choice.

    Now I have a question if you wanted the first version of the RX what should you be looking for as I'm confused on the updates to this model and others maybe as well as I remember this getting updated. Personally I would buy the new one but it's nice data to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post

    Now I have a question if you wanted the first version of the RX what should you be looking for as I'm confused on the updates to this model and others maybe as well as I remember this getting updated. Personally I would buy the new one but it's nice data to know.

    I don't recall any updates of this camera other then the RX1R. I bought the RX1 within 2 months of it 1st coming out and they have never done a firmware update or anything that I recall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Seems to me the 42mpx is handling the highlights better, shadows more open and technically it should but I also see th detail is better as well. Really this is how it should be as the 42 sensor has more DR and a bigger more detailed sensor. Now not saying the RX1 is getting slammed and actually it looks pretty darn good and if you don't need the MPX or DR extra abilities than the RX1 is not a bad choice at all and given the money spread used RX1 versus the new RXII a very good choice.

    Now I have a question if you wanted the first version of the RX what should you be looking for as I'm confused on the updates to this model and others maybe as well as I remember this getting updated. Personally I would buy the new one but it's nice data to know.
    Guy,
    RX1 was the original. RX1-R was released later with the same 24MP sensor and fantastic 35 f/2 lens. The RX1-R is virtually the same camera without an anti-aliasing filter on the sensor. I have added the optional EVF to my RX1-R and also the Monza grip. I take mine everywhere with me. As you can see from Lucille's comparison, it is a great little shooter to have with you all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Hep,

    Since these are JPEG, just curious if the DR-O settings are the same on both cameras, as well as the picture profiles.

    That last shot was a lot closer but the RX1RII image sure looked flatter (a good thing to my eyes) but wondering if the difference is just due to processing settings.

    Otherwise, at web resolution there shouldn't be much to tell the two apart. The difference is really in the handling and the resolution.

    Thanks for running this little test. Always fun to see the results and a pain to do them yourself, so thanks again!

    I am checking both cameras..... RX1R II DRO is on auto - picture profile is STD but all values are 0.



    RX1 DRO is off, picture profile is STD but all values are 0.

    I guess at some point years ago I turned off the DRO on the Rx1, I didn't think about this on the new RX1R II, it comes turned on (set to auto) from the Sony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecsh View Post
    Since i own the original RX1, i think you saved me 3k,


    The original Rx1 is such a GEM, this camera is tough to beat period.

    This camera was so good I almost bought a 2nd body a year ago, as it was always a camera I wanted to have and I wanted a backup for it. Then came the upgrade from Sony and I gladly
    took one from them and will probably do the same if a RX1R III comes to be.
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    Re: Sony RX1R II vs. Sony RX1...... Round one....FIGHT!

    Lucille, Since you have both cameras, would you have any interest in putting both cameras on manual with the same exposure and aperture and shooting both in RAW with the same scene?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Lucille, Since you have both cameras, would you have any interest in putting both cameras on manual with the same exposure and aperture and shooting both in RAW with the same scene?


    I always shoot manual, every camera I have. I use older versions of PS and it doesn't support the raws for the RX1R II.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    I am checking both cameras..... RX1R II DRO is on auto - picture profile is STD but all values are 0.

    RX1 DRO is off, picture profile is STD but all values are 0.

    I guess at some point years ago I turned off the DRO on the Rx1, I didn't think about this on the new RX1R II, it comes turned on (set to auto) from the Sony.
    This might well cover the shadow/highlight performance of the RX1R vs II. The DRO auto for jpg would be expected to open up the shadows and control the highlights a little better, just as we see in the II shots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    This might well cover the shadow/highlight performance of the RX1R vs II. The DRO auto for jpg would be expected to open up the shadows and control the highlights a little better, just as we see in the II shots.


    I am going to turn it off for the next set of shots.
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    Yes turn all that off, get a better idea that way. Great work my dear
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yes turn all that off, get a better idea that way. Great work my dear


    It is done.

    My 617rwhp Chantilly Lace was my model.


    1st up RX1R II


    RX1R II, 35mm f/4, ISO1600, 1/100sec.






    2nd up RX1



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    1st up RX1R II


    RX1R II, 35mm f/4, ISO100, 1/1600sec





    2nd up RX1


    RX1R, 35mm f/4, ISO100, 1/1600sec
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    The difference on my Retina monitor is pretty easy to see. The RX1rII image shows more DR and a bit more detail than the RX1r. I can see it without trying to enlarge the image on my monitor.

    No surprises really, as we should expect more DR and detail on a higher resolution sensor.

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    Both really nice. What's a little surprising is color looks really close. Given two different sensors that's really good. So in essence the original could be paired with the A7rII as part of that system together. That's pretty cool
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    I would tend to think the differences would be more dramatic if printing out at some size. This has always shown differences to me between different cameras and sensors.
    On the web, not so much.
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    Thanks for this great thread !

    For me, faster AF would be the most important upgrade from my Rx1. I find it too limiting for many of the pictures I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohnri View Post
    Thanks for this great thread !

    For me, faster AF would be the most important upgrade from my Rx1. I find it too limiting for many of the pictures I want.

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    And that it does my friend. When I shot Big Sandy this camera grabbed focus and never hunted every single time, and that light was very dim and crappy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    And that it does my friend. When I shot Big Sandy this camera grabbed focus and never hunted every single time, and that light was very dim and crappy.
    I believe it is roughly equal to my A7r2, which is pretty dang good.

    Nice to hear from someone that is using it for more than pictures of vegetation. I did a lot of pre-focusing with my Rx1 for photos with movement. Ultimately, that limits me compared to what you can achieve with the new model though.

    Pretty sweet treat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohnri View Post
    I believe it is roughly equal to my A7r2, which is pretty dang good.

    Nice to hear from someone that is using it for more than pictures of vegetation. I did a lot of pre-focusing with my Rx1 for photos with movement. Ultimately, that limits me compared to what you can achieve with the new model though.

    Pretty sweet treat.

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    The RX1R II, as the original, inspires me to make imagery with a certain look to it. I will use the heck out of this camera.

    I am currently testing its long exposure look and feel......



    RX1R II, 35mm f/5.6, ISO50, 5sec.
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    Thanks for all the comparisons.
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    I'm wondering how the RX1R vs. RX1RII would be in low light... The contrast and details in the dark areas should be worse with the RX1R.
    Thanks for the tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    The RX1R II, as the original, inspires me to make imagery with a certain look to it. I will use the heck out of this camera.

    I am currently testing its long exposure look and feel......



    RX1R II, 35mm f/5.6, ISO50, 5sec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seb View Post
    I'm wondering how the RX1R vs. RX1RII would be in low light... The contrast and details in the dark areas should be worse with the RX1R.
    Thanks for the tests.


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    Thx Lucille. Looks like I'm right when you look at his hair and clothes...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
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    RX1R II:


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    All these tests Lucille has done consistently shows the improvement in the 42mpx sensor outside the MPX that is. Great stuff

    Glad to see her run all these tests . It's a lot of work, I know all to well about that.
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    B&H has them back in stock and so I placed my order for an RX1RII!

    I also picked up a 3 stop ND for sunny days, and a screen protector. The fotodiox grip is already waiting at home. I'm going to use the hell out of this thing. I'll start with a mini-road trip this weekend and then next weekend I have an engagement shoot!
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    I caved... RX1RII arrived today! I blame you Lucille!

    Seriously, I loved the RX1R a lot, but when I heard about the square crop....that did it. I love to be square!
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    The crop modes are great. With the abundant resolution you can just set it and forget about the thoughts of any lost pixels. The crop is just fine with this camera!

    Mine is permanently set to 4:3 as it matches my Phase One system and so I can just continue to compose and shoot consistently. I love the square format too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    The crop modes are great. With the abundant resolution you can just set it and forget about the thoughts of any lost pixels. The crop is just fine with this camera!

    Mine is permanently set to 4:3 as it matches my Phase One system and so I can just continue to compose and shoot consistently. I love the square format too.

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    I owe it to you (as well as Lucille), because I remembered your post about Pro Photo Supply and went back through the old posts looking for it.

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    Did you pick up the unused used RX1RII from Pro Photo Supply? If so, a great bunch of guys there, pretty much each with 20+ years of real photographic experience and not your normal Best Buy retail folks. I always try to buy my gear there as they are a real photo store, not a box shifter or low end dealer. Their used gear folks are especially knowledgeable and passionate and I'm always falling for their enthusiasm and buying film gear that's been gently loved but liberated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Did you pick up the unused used RX1RII from Pro Photo Supply? If so, a great bunch of guys there, pretty much each with 20+ years of real photographic experience and not your normal Best Buy retail folks. I always try to buy my gear there as they are a real photo store, not a box shifter or low end dealer. Their used gear folks are especially knowledgeable and passionate and I'm always falling for their enthusiasm and buying film gear that's been gently loved but liberated.
    Yes, I went back through the posts and found your post about the used one. They took my RX1-R and finder in trade. I couldn't go to their store, since I'm in Arizona, so we made other arrangements to complete the deal. I'm very satisfied. I'm glad I didn't go into the store, if they have film gear, because I find it hard to resist, and I already have too much film gear.

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    Re: Sony RX1R II vs. Sony RX1...... Round one....FIGHT!

    Bumping this thread as Cindy and Lucille (any others?) have now had a few weeks to play with the new model.

    When asking in the other forum about the Leica Q vs the RX1R II, there was more enthusiasm for the Sony so I want to know if the new model really is all that!

    Better AF? Check!

    Better Sensor? Check!

    Smaller form? Check!

    But is the MF any better? Or does it still feel fiddly? How about the horrid menu system? Does it make more sense now or is there still endless diving? How about the low light capability?

    TIA

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    Cam, I am sure Cindy and Lucille will give their insights based on their experiences with both the cams.

    fwiw, I have been using it on AF only (that too with auto ISO most of the times) for street snaps. It is faster than i can manually focus a leica lens and unlike some CDAF units, the RX1R ii focuses on the subject and not behind them. So, the AF is not only fast but also accurate.

    Low light capability is on par with that of the A7s.

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    Re: Sony RX1R II vs. Sony RX1...... Round one....FIGHT!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Cam, I am sure Cindy and Lucille will give their insights based on their experiences with both the cams.

    fwiw, I have been using it on AF only (that too with auto ISO most of the times) for street snaps. It is faster than i can manually focus a leica lens and unlike some CDAF units, the RX1R ii focuses on the subject and not behind them. So, the AF is not only fast but also accurate.

    Low light capability is on par with that of the A7s.

    The best camera i have ever used so far.
    Ooooooh -- did you feel me perk up when you compared the low light capability to the A7S?

    (And thank you for mention about it focusing correctly... Which AF mode do you use btw?)

    You are an evil enabler, especially with all your fantastic street shots... Thank you!

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    Re: Sony RX1R II vs. Sony RX1...... Round one....FIGHT!

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    Bumping this thread as Cindy and Lucille (any others?) have now had a few weeks to play with the new model.

    When asking in the other forum about the Leica Q vs the RX1R II, there was more enthusiasm for the Sony so I want to know if the new model really is all that!

    Better AF? Check!

    Better Sensor? Check!

    Smaller form? Check!

    But is the MF any better? Or does it still feel fiddly? How about the horrid menu system? Does it make more sense now or is there still endless diving? How about the low light capability?

    TIA
    1st off, and I guess this is a matter of opinion, the menu system isn't horrid, it never has been. I have shot Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Fuji, Panosonic, Samsung and have always been taken back by people claiming the Sony menu system is terrible, though I have simply dismissed those comments most times as once you set up a camera (atleast for me) you hardly go menu digging and this is coming from someone whom had their begginings in film, and some of those bodys didn't have a menu system, set the camera up, you can customize many a button, and don't worry about menu systems. Why would one endlessly dive into the menu's?

    MF has never been fiddly. I manual focus all the time with my original Rx1 and now the RX1R II. I love doing night shots and manual focus is the easiest I have found on any system I have ever used, the focus peaking for whatever reason is very accurate on the Rx1 cameras, combined with focus magnification and you will always get focus even in the lowest of light. Try that with a Canon.


    The RX1R is incredible in lowlight, I have as much confidence in it as I ever had in my A7S. I though am one of the few people it seems that also was for some strange reason able to get the original RX1 to focus in lowlight. This is mainly what I have used these bodies for, as one of my areas of expertise is lowlight concert photography that in some circles I am extremely well known for.

    Its funny, I always read that the original RX1 was slow, and I never thought so, but then Jason Lanier borrowed my RX1 for his Ethiopia trip so I was without its services for a few months, I used my A7R II and A7S mostly. Then when I got the RX1 back and started using it I then did realize it is a slower in operation camera then the a7 bodies. I guess when I always use something, I adjust to it and make use of its strengths which is THE WONDERFUL IQ found in this little Gem of a camera.

    I think the new RX1R is one of the best, if not THE BEST lowlight camera for concert photography if one can get up close near the stage where I find 35mm to be a perfect focal length. At my last few outings the RX1R never missed focus, not once. I love being at these shows with my 'little point and shoot' next to the BIG DSLR guys......

    and getting this type of output:


    RX1, 35mm f/2, ISO1600, 1/160sec
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    Re: Sony RX1R II vs. Sony RX1...... Round one....FIGHT!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Cam, I am sure Cindy and Lucille will give their insights based on their experiences with both the cams.

    fwiw, I have been using it on AF only (that too with auto ISO most of the times) for street snaps. It is faster than i can manually focus a leica lens and unlike some CDAF units, the RX1R ii focuses on the subject and not behind them. So, the AF is not only fast but also accurate.

    Low light capability is on par with that of the A7s.

    The best camera i have ever used so far.
    I really liked the RX1-R and if the new camera doesn't fit in a photographer's budget, the RX1-R won't disappoint them. The new cam does have more dynamic range, as Lucille's original comparison shots showed.

    I love Leica gear, but 28mm does not fit my style as well as 35mm does. I am also disenchanted with Leica service after my trials with M8 and M9.

    The menu system is something that I am used to because all of my digital cameras are Sony. I do agree that some items could be organized in a more photographer friendly way, but honestly, I don't go into the menu system very often except to format my card (once I have the initial setup).

    I leave my camera always set to manual focus. I have AF on the AEL button on the back and focus assist on C1. When I turn the focus ring, I have automatic focus assist. It is easier for me to manual focus all the time, but I do have AF if I want to get to the focus point quickly for an action shot.

    The best part of owning the RX1-R II for me is that I always have it with me. I have a little A+A zippered soft pouch (from my M8 days) and the camera just fits in there and then into my purse. It is basically the same size as RX1-R, but I don't miss the fiddly external EVF. The pop-up EVF is great.

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    Re: Sony RX1R II vs. Sony RX1...... Round one....FIGHT!

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    (And thank you for mention about it focusing correctly... Which AF mode do you use btw?)
    The camera or me (highly unlikely) certainly peaks interest in my subjects.

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    Backlit and all, the AF was spot on the subject and not on any shiny bicycle in the background. There was no hunting.

    I use continuous focus, wide field, in AF. Blazingly fast. It has to be experienced to understand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    I do agree that some items could be organized in a more photographer friendly way, but honestly, I don't go into the menu system very often except to format my card (once I have the initial setup).
    Interesting sidetrack from the original thread title. I'm all for having a 'My Menu' tab added to the incongruous Sony mish-mash if by this time they've given up redesigning it, if one could call it 'design'. Although I also have an a6000 I still find myself scrolling all too often even if I do more or less know where each item I require resides. Said items must be five or six and being able to place them together would be most helpful.

    Now to buttons: I find the focus mode knob rather tight and in any case have assigned C1 to manual focus; i.e. AF/MF Ctrl Toggle. That way, as I always have continuous focus on to take advantage of the excellent tracking, I can instantly pinpoint the subject of interest, press C1 thereby cancelling any further unrequired 'assistance' and recompose. Doing it the traditional way would mean twisting the hard focus mode knob, all the way down to manual focus but then possibly missing the next one that would incur twisting it again back up and missing the CF spot and going onto the S.

    I have nothing on the dial, as it's easily pressed, except the down position assigned to Deactivate Monitor - this to save battery use as I have the 'sleep mode' set to the maximum of 30 minutes given that its wake up is still too sluggish. The centre button is for Eye AF when using the Single Focus mode.
    C2 is for creative style for the few instances when I want to see the scene in colour as the majority of my subjects are in BW.

    The Function Menu I have limited just to one row which is; from left to right:
    Drive Mode (almost all the time on single shot, but there in case I want to set the timer) / Focus Area, set to Flexible Spot L which is the recommended setting for the excellent tracking system in this camera / ISO AUTO, although I use the AEL button for this, it's just in case I temporarily change its function to something else if required / Centre Lock-on AF / Quality, again almost always on RAW but a quick change available if needed / Smile/Face Detect. This Function Menu could be the ideal placement for a proper full 'My Menu' area.

    Although I come from a traditional SLR/OVF user base I hardly ever use the pop-up EVF except for landscape subjects. This little gem is for me the best street camera available and I use it mainly Ó la Rollei; flipping the screen out and looking down on it, as discreetly as possible sometimes even shooting from the hip guessing the composition and given the enormous files adjusting inclinations etc. in post.
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