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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    The filter size went up for a slower lens.

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The filter size went up for a slower lens.
    Well isn't a surprise is it ? It's much wider...
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Looks interesting. I just sold my Batis 25mm in favor of the Loxia 21mm. Now I'll have a new decision - Loxia 21mm or Batis 18mm. Hmmmm. I'm still hoping for more Batis lenses to fill out the lineup - 35mm, 50mm, 100mm or 135mm. Dreaming is allowed, isn't it?

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Well isn't a surprise is it ? It's much wider...
    Well, if you look at the amount of plastic around the front lens element keeping it at 67 mm would not seem a very difficult design task.
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    I've got to believe there's good reasons for making the front that large. The old 18mm Distagon, which was slower (ƒ3.5), had an even larger filter size (82mm).
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    The market will put an end to this madness.

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Hardly people are pre ordering it all morning here in the States
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Hardly people are pre ordering it all morning here in the States
    Of course, there is no choice at the moment!

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEvangelist View Post
    I've got to believe there's good reasons for making the front that large. The old 18mm Distagon, which was slower (ƒ3.5), had an even larger filter size (82mm).
    Might be, but I wonder what that reason is. Using 50% of the front diameter (75% of the surface) for a piece of opaque black plastic that's not part of the optics seems overkill in my layman's eyes.
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    This will probably be the first lens I buy since the last two Batis lenses. I may add the 70-300 eventually as well.
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Personally I'm happy with my Loxia 21 and CV15 mkIII for my wides though if I had neither of them then the 18 Batis would be tempting. Also I really don't need AF at this focal length

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    The Loxia 21mm is all I need, a Loxia 135mm though, that would be tempting.The Bati lenses look sweet though.
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    An embarrassment of riches!

    All the new exciting lenses is starting to make me dizzy. I just bought the Loxia 21mm and now they have an 18mm. I'm gonna skip this Batis and wait for the Voitlander 10mm as the ultimate wide angle for those times when 21 is just too darn narrow!

    But we certainly live in exciting times for Sony shooters.
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    That's the best reason I've seen so far for buying an A7. Congrats!

    My pusher has 2 x A7R and 1 x A7R II used for sale... hmmmm

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    That's the best reason I've seen so far for buying an A7. Congrats!

    My pusher has 2 x A7R and 1 x A7R II used for sale... hmmmm
    There are enough improvements in the A7RII (over the originals) to warrant going to that model at a minimum.
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post

    My pusher has 2 x A7R and 1 x A7R II used for sale... hmmmm
    Wait for the A7r IV to appear so that A7r will be affordable.

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    I will stick with the Loxia 21mm, which is a wonderful match with the A7RII, and continue to use the very good 16-35mm zeiss zoom when necessary.
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    I will stick with the Loxia 21mm, which is a wonderful match with the A7RII, and continue to use the very good 16-35mm zeiss zoom when necessary.
    After getting a chance to review the files I shot with the 21mm today I understand your decision. For landscape work all I need to do with this lens is set it to infinity and I get corner to corner sharpness and beautiful images. It's really very, very good. The only other wide lenses I'm considering are the Voigtlander 10mm and 12mm. But those are such different animals it's hard to think of them together with the 21mm at all.
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    After getting a chance to review the files I shot with the 21mm today I understand your decision. For landscape work all I need to do with this lens is set it to infinity and I get corner to corner sharpness and beautiful images. It's really very, very good. The only other wide lenses I'm considering are the Voigtlander 10mm and 12mm. But those are such different animals it's hard to think of them together with the 21mm at all.
    You can be a little more precise with the focus magnification and pick the best front to back focus spot rather than just set to infinity, I shoot long exposure BNW landscapes and I love the horizion to be sharp with the water blurred and easy to achieve with live view and focus magnification. The 21mm is awesome especially for me with BNW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hausen View Post
    You can be a little more precise with the focus magnification and pick the best front to back focus spot rather than just set to infinity, I shoot long exposure BNW landscapes and I love the horizion to be sharp with the water blurred and easy to achieve with live view and focus magnification. The 21mm is awesome especially for me with BNW.
    I played around with the manual focus on some test shots. The background was across a small river and about a quarter mile from where I was standing. I tried to find a best focus point using the higher magnification assist (I think it's ~ 10X on the A7S). Truth be told, to my admittedly old eyes I couldn't see any advantage to the infinity stop point. I am eager to try tethering the camera to a larger display (maybe a large laptop screen) and experiment with improving on the infinity stop. In the meantime I'll try shooting some slightly less challenging items to test the focus.
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Looks interesting. I just sold my Batis 25mm in favor of the Loxia 21mm. Now I'll have a new decision - Loxia 21mm or Batis 18mm. Hmmmm. I'm still hoping for more Batis lenses to fill out the lineup - 35mm, 50mm, 100mm or 135mm. Dreaming is allowed, isn't it?

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Wait for the A7r IV to appear so that A7r will be affordable.
    A7R is already below $1,000 where I live. I'd call that affordable, not as affordable as a $100 Fuji S3 or Nikon D100, but still affordable. These are great times for photographers who are interested in photography rather than the latest gear.

    What will be interesting to see is if this new 18mm is as good as the assortment of 21mm lenses from Zeiss.

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Links to some full size samples here:

    http://3d-kraft.com/index.php?option...id=40&Itemid=2

    Gotta say, this lens is looking REALLY good! I'm not a huge fan of ultrawide primes, but 18/2.8 is pretty much exactly what I'd pick to carry around to balance FOV/speed/lens size.
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    original a7r second hand is going around 650-700 pounds in the UK. fairly high depreciation if you ask me.

    i still cant get over the weight gain for the mk2 over mk1, lol. oh well, that's just me.
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    Links to some full size samples here:

    ZEISS Batis 2.8/18 - Another Jewel in the Batis Crown

    Gotta say, this lens is looking REALLY good! I'm not a huge fan of ultrawide primes, but 18/2.8 is pretty much exactly what I'd pick to carry around to balance FOV/speed/lens size.
    While it looks like a good lens, after seeing the samples, I get a feeling that it will be more at home on the 12 and 24MP varieties of the A7 than on the A7R/II. Resolution looks "stretched" with 42MP. There are also som artifacts that I don't understand. On the left side of the dolphin in the last images, there's a white edge as if some serious CA has been removed.

    Very nice bokeh for an 18mm
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    This is one big lens! Like the idea of a fast ultra wide, but the question begs, why is the lens so large. From the Zeiss website, the lens elements cross section covers just over half the diameter of the total lens circumference overall. I know there are focus motors, and electronics for the distance and DOF display, but since there is not OIS built in, why does it have to be that much bigger?

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    This is one big lens! Like the idea of a fast ultra wide, but the question begs, why is the lens so large. From the Zeiss website, the lens elements cross section covers just over half the diameter of the total lens circumference overall. I know there are focus motors, and electronics for the distance and DOF display, but since there is not OIS built in, why does it have to be that much bigger?
    I noticed that too. I wonder if it is just to have a large enough circular filter that doesn't vignette. But that seems like a minor reason to construct the lens that way.

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    I noticed that too. I wonder if it is just to have a large enough circular filter that doesn't vignette. But that seems like a minor reason to construct the lens that way.
    I'm sure the filter option is the reason for the large front diameter. For the rest of the lens, they just seem to follow their new design profile, and avoid the ugliness of the classic 21mm. They've something similar with the Milvus 21mm, but without changing the optical formula from the older ZF/ZE model. The marketing department seems to be taking over

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    It's too small

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Kai seems to like the Zeiss 18mm Badass. A lot.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXpDOS4wTkg

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by miska View Post
    Kai seems to like the Zeiss 18mm Badass. A lot.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXpDOS4wTkg
    So do I. A lot.

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    So do I. A lot.
    I can see why. Like that sky.

    Joe is the infinity focus easy to achieve? Can the lens go "beyond" infinity?
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    I can see why. Like that sky.

    Joe is the infinity focus easy to achieve? Can the lens go "beyond" infinity?
    I believe it's a focus by wire lens like the other Batis lenses.
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Joe, I admire the clarity, color, and detail of your farm field! But I'm still content with the 16-18-21 Tri-Elmar that you parted with a year or so ago.

    And I just learned something new about it: Yesterday I compulsively photographed our back fence with all my M-mount lenses on my regular A7rII body and then on another body with the Leica-friendly Kolari mod. I didn't expect to see improvement from the mod with either the WATE or the MATE, because they're retrofocus senses. But to my pleasant surprise the corners firmed up quite a bit with the mod, even wide open.

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    Joe, I admire the clarity, color, and detail of your farm field! But I'm still content with the 16-18-21 Tri-Elmar that you parted with a year or so ago.

    And I just learned something new about it: Yesterday I compulsively photographed our back fence with all my M-mount lenses on my regular A7rII body and then on another body with the Leica-friendly Kolari mod. I didn't expect to see improvement from the mod with either the WATE or the MATE, because they're retrofocus senses. But to my pleasant surprise the corners firmed up quite a bit with the mod, even wide open.

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    Yup! Have a look here.

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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    I can see why. Like that sky.
    Thanks very much. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.

    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    Joe is the infinity focus easy to achieve? Can the lens go "beyond" infinity?
    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I believe it's a focus by wire lens like the other Batis lenses.
    As Tre said, the Batis 18mm is "focus-by-wire", like the other Batis lenses, and unlike the Zeiss Loxia line.

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    Joe, I admire the clarity, color, and detail of your farm field! But I'm still content with the 16-18-21 Tri-Elmar that you parted with a year or so ago.

    And I just learned something new about it: Yesterday I compulsively photographed our back fence with all my M-mount lenses on my regular A7rII body and then on another body with the Leica-friendly Kolari mod. I didn't expect to see improvement from the mod with either the WATE or the MATE, because they're retrofocus senses. But to my pleasant surprise the corners firmed up quite a bit with the mod, even wide open.

    Kirk
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    Re: 18mm ƒ2.8 Batis is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I'm sure the filter option is the reason for the large front diameter. For the rest of the lens, they just seem to follow their new design profile, and avoid the ugliness of the classic 21mm. They've something similar with the Milvus 21mm, but without changing the optical formula from the older ZF/ZE model. The marketing department seems to be taking over
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