Sony's new camera A9

[Jorgen Udvang]

Where did you get this from?



So my conclusion is that if the lens has IS you get the same as the Olympus

There are two large aperture telephoto primes in Sony's lineup, both of them A-mount, the 300mm f/2.8 and 500mm f/4. Both of them are expensive, at $7,500 and 13,000 respectively. None of them are stabilised. This is kind of weird, since Sony seem to profile this camera exclusively as a sports camera:

http://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-9

https://www.sony.net/Products/di_photo-gallery/camera/ILCE-9/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILisOOe3iLs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILisOOe3iLs

Two camera bodies plus those two lenses and the two adapters needed is already $30,000. And I thought medium format looked expensive :wtf:

 

[iiiNelson]

A comparison between the A9 and A7RII.

http://mirrorlesscomparison.com/preview/sony-a9-vs-a7r-ii/

 

[iiiNelson]

There are two large aperture telephoto primes in Sony's lineup, both of them A-mount, the 300mm f/2.8 and 500mm f/4. Both of them are expensive, at $7,500 and 13,000 respectively. None of them are stabilised. This is kind of weird, since Sony seem to profile this camera exclusively as a sports camera:

http://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-9

https://www.sony.net/Products/di_photo-gallery/camera/ILCE-9/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILisOOe3iLs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILisOOe3iLs

Two camera bodies plus those two lenses and the two adapters needed is already $30,000. And I thought medium format looked expensive :wtf:

all A-mount cameras have IBIS so many lenses didn't have it. In any case these lenses can be used with the LA-3 adapter and be fully stabilized.

FWIW the 500/4 is a special order item and the 300/2.8 is a great lens as well. Lenses take time. Olympus just released their Pro lenses within the last 2 years and that system has been around since 2008. Give Sony a little time

 

[GrahamWelland]

I'm waiting for what must be even more awesome A9r & A9s!! :bugeyes::thumbs:

 

[GrahamWelland]

There are two large aperture telephoto primes in Sony's lineup, both of them A-mount, the 300mm f/2.8 and 500mm f/4. Both of them are expensive, at $7,500 and 13,000 respectively. None of them are stabilised. This is kind of weird, since Sony seem to profile this camera exclusively as a sports camera:

http://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-9

https://www.sony.net/Products/di_photo-gallery/camera/ILCE-9/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILisOOe3iLs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILisOOe3iLs

Two camera bodies plus those two lenses and the two adapters needed is already $30,000. And I thought medium format looked expensive :wtf:

Forget medium format, price that out with a D5/D810 and the same calibre of lenses ...

 

[Jorgen Udvang]

Forget medium format, price that out with a D5/D810 and the same calibre of lenses ...

D5 + D500, which would be the most useful Nikon combination, and the same lenses is $24,000, and that gives you 750mm reach with the 500mm on the D500. What's more is that for Nikon, there are thousands of these lenses available second hand at all kinds of prices, in addition to Sigma's versions.

 

[Jorgen Udvang]

all A-mount cameras have IBIS so many lenses didn't have it. In any case these lenses can be used with the LA-3 adapter and be fully stabilized.

FWIW the 500/4 is a special order item and the 300/2.8 is a great lens as well. Lenses take time. Olympus just released their Pro lenses within the last 2 years and that system has been around since 2008. Give Sony a little time

Sony's mirrorless cameras have been around since 2010. The first cameras were nothing near professional standard, but neither were Olympus'. But that's irrelevant. What's relevant is what will move sports photographers to sell their Canon and Nikon gear and invest in this new Sony with appropriate lenses. If Sony plans to release telephoto primes for this mount, investing in the two above lenses is probably a rather silly thing to do. Look what happened to the prices of 4/3 lenses after m4/3 was launched. Even the E-M1, a camera that works great with those lenses, couldn't fix that.

The first Zuiko weather proof pro lens, the 12-40mm f/2.8 came with the E-M1 in 2013 as far as I remember, the 40-150mm f/2.8 the next year. However, the Panasonic 12-35 and 35-100mm f/2.8, lenses that are just as good as their Zuiko counterparts (I think better) were launched in 2012.

 

[pegelli]

- Dual IS vs. IBIS only

Where did you get this from?

There are two large aperture telephoto primes in Sony's lineup, both of them A-mount, the 300mm f/2.8 and 500mm f/4. Both of them are expensive, at $7,500 and 13,000 respectively. None of them are stabilised. This is kind of weird, since Sony seem to profile this camera exclusively as a sports camera:

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https://www.sony.net/Products/di_photo-gallery/camera/ILCE-9/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILisOOe3iLs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILisOOe3iLs

Two camera bodies plus those two lenses and the two adapters needed is already $30,000. And I thought medium format looked expensive :wtf:

Interesting story on long lenses, but my question was where you got the information that the A9 has IBIS only while the Olympus has dual IS. I don't think that is correct. Maybe your point is that Olympus has more stabilized (long) lenses, but that's a different (and probably valid) point.

 

[Jorgen Udvang]

Interesting story on long lenses, but my question was where you got the information that the A9 has IBIS only while the Olympus has dual IS. I don't think that is correct. Maybe your point is that Olympus has more stabilized (long) lenses, but that's a different (and probably valid) point.

You are correct, I checked. According to what I read, it's only 3-way IBIS when combined with lens IS, but take that with a grain of salt. There are many things that are unclear around this camera still, and that includes video capabilities.

 

[pegelli]

You are correct, I checked. According to what I read, it's only 3-way IBIS when combined with lens IS, but take that with a grain of salt.

I will, from the Sony documentation I conclude it's actually 3 axis without lens IS and 5 axis with lens IS.

 

[Jorgen Udvang]

I will, from the Sony documentation I conclude it's actually 3 axis without lens IS and 5 axis with lens IS.

Wasn't that a bit strange? Why would it only be 3-way without lens IS?

 

[jotloob]

Forget medium format, price that out with a D5/D810 and the same calibre of lenses ...

Graham

If you are going to throw in your MF towel , just let me know where you throw it to . I happily will pick it up .:ROTFL:

 

[ErikKaffehr]

Re: Sony's new camera A9 - why I am not intressed…

Hi,

The A9 is without doubt a fine camera. But, I am not a potential buyer. Why? Because it is not a good match for my needs.

The A7rII is a pretty good match, as it is.

I am a tripod based shooter and don't need high frame rates. The battery life would probably be appreciated and so would the third preset.

The downside with the A9 is the lack of resolution.

I am not sure the A9 can compete with the sports oriented DSLRs.

It is quite possible that I may be interested in an A9r version, possibly with 70+ MP, but again I feel the A7rII does deliver on image quality. So, cash may be better used for travel and getting better lenses.

Best regards
Erik

Interesting camera but I have absolutely no need to upgrade from my workhorse A7RII for Landscape shooting.

 

[pegelli]

Wasn't that a bit strange? Why would it only be 3-way without lens IS?

Why would that be strange? Adding lens IS gives you more degrees of freedom so I think it's quite logical you get more correction options.

 

[ptomsu]

Sony's mirrorless cameras have been around since 2010. The first cameras were nothing near professional standard, but neither were Olympus'. But that's irrelevant. What's relevant is what will move sports photographers to sell their Canon and Nikon gear and invest in this new Sony with appropriate lenses. If Sony plans to release telephoto primes for this mount, investing in the two above lenses is probably a rather silly thing to do. Look what happened to the prices of 4/3 lenses after m4/3 was launched. Even the E-M1, a camera that works great with those lenses, couldn't fix that.

The first Zuiko weather proof pro lens, the 12-40mm f/2.8 came with the E-M1 in 2013 as far as I remember, the 40-150mm f/2.8 the next year. However, the Panasonic 12-35 and 35-100mm f/2.8, lenses that are just as good as their Zuiko counterparts (I think better) were launched in 2012.

I had invested in A-mount lenses and sold all of them as there was for a long time no real FF follow up. And this was the right decision, given where Sony invests today.

I predict we will see the necessary sports-telephoto primes and zooms in the next 2 to 3 years and I would NEVER EVER invest again in A-mount glass with whatever silly adapter. This line is simply DEAD!

Having said that - I was never a telephoto prime shooter and all I ever wanted was a decent 100-400. And this is now available in E-mount and it for sure is an excellent lens. So what am I waiting for?

 

[iiiNelson]

I will, from the Sony documentation I conclude it's actually 3 axis without lens IS and 5 axis with lens IS.

The image is stabilized in 5 axis with or without lens stabilization. If a lens has stabilization then 2 axis are stabilized with the lens and 3 are by the sensor. If a lens doesn't have stabilization then all 5 axis are stabilized by the sensor.

You always have 5 axis stabilization but with a stabilized len the camera lets the len do what it does and further stabilizes with the sensor when needed.

 

[pegelli]

The image is stabilized in 5 axis with or without lens stabilization. If a lens has stabilization then 2 axis are stabilized with the lens and 3 are by the sensor. If a lens doesn't have stabilization then all 5 axis are stabilized by the sensor.

You always have 5 axis stabilization but with a stabilized len the camera lets the len do what it does and further stabilizes with the sensor when needed.

You might be right Tre, but I find it hard to imagine how you can do pitch & jaw compensation as well as x-shift & Y-shift with one single x- & y-shift of the sensor.

 

[iiiNelson]

Sony's mirrorless cameras have been around since 2010. The first cameras were nothing near professional standard, but neither were Olympus'. But that's irrelevant. What's relevant is what will move sports photographers to sell their Canon and Nikon gear and invest in this new Sony with appropriate lenses. If Sony plans to release telephoto primes for this mount, investing in the two above lenses is probably a rather silly thing to do. Look what happened to the prices of 4/3 lenses after m4/3 was launched. Even the E-M1, a camera that works great with those lenses, couldn't fix that.

The first Zuiko weather proof pro lens, the 12-40mm f/2.8 came with the E-M1 in 2013 as far as I remember, the 40-150mm f/2.8 the next year. However, the Panasonic 12-35 and 35-100mm f/2.8, lenses that are just as good as their Zuiko counterparts (I think better) were launched in 2012.

The Olympus 12-40 and 40-150 pro lenses were released in fall of 2013 and 2014 in USA. The 300/4 was released early last year. That's the point. The system with absolutely no changes in sensor size took 5-9 years to come out with "pro lenses." That is the relevant point because they introduced a "pro system" without immediate availability of "pro lenses" all the same as Sony.

The full frame Sony's were released in fall of 2013 and that's what we are talking about. Lenses that provide full frame coverage. Yes the NEX cameras were released in 2010 but those cameras and lenses don't apply because they wouldn't work for a pro or full frame camera.

Despite having the same sized mount, you have to look at this as two completely different lines of cameras. The full frame cameras and the cropped system cameras. Whether or not it makes sense to invest in A-Mount glass depends on your needs. If you need it then you need it and it definitely works with the cameras today.

 

[iiiNelson]

D5 + D500, which would be the most useful Nikon combination, and the same lenses is $24,000, and that gives you 750mm reach with the 500mm on the D500. What's more is that for Nikon, there are thousands of these lenses available second hand at all kinds of prices, in addition to Sigma's versions.

D500 is a cropped sensor. It's a great camera but not one that applies in an apples to apples comparison.

You'd need two D5's for that comparison and that raises the price of entry by $4500 or the cost of a A9 body... or it is reasonable to assume one D5 and a D810 might see some life together. I assume many will add the A9 alongside the A7RII. These potential options that are inline with each other puts it right about the same price with logical Sony combos.

Besides this, everyone knows that Nikon has more options. They've been around for a lot longer so what are we debating? It comes down to if you want a cutting edge body and can you live with the lens options. If not, move on. You have your answer. If so then preorder or save for a purchase.

 

[iiiNelson]

You might be right Tre, but I find it hard to imagine how you can do pitch & jaw compensation as well as x-shift & Y-shift with one single x- & y-shift of the sensor.

Heres an article highlighting and detailing the similarities and the differences with Olympus and Sony dual IS.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/b.marf...onys-5-axis-stabilization-work/?marfeeltn=amp