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    Sony 135/1.8 GM

    As rumored for some time now, Sony announced the 135/1.8 GM.

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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Now it's decision time. Think I'll be selling the 70-200mm É2.8 and getting this instead.

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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    No doubt it will be a great lens, but too heavy and expensive for me.

    I'd wish they bring out a 135/2.8 with similar weight/quality as their FE 85/1.8, that's probably the one I'd buy.
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Looking at videos and results of the lens and it seems to be missing something that was present in the legendary Sony Zeiss 135/1.8 IMO. It’s a perfectly fine lens but it just seems to be missing some character from the images I’ve seen. There’s a possibility that I purchase this lens after I come to a conclusion about the Panasonic cameras and I’m still awaiting my T&E 24/1.4 GM at this point.
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Interesting take...

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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    No doubt it will be a great lens, but too heavy and expensive for me.

    I'd wish they bring out a 135/2.8 with similar weight/quality as their FE 85/1.8, that's probably the one I'd buy.
    Ah, but Olympus already did that. It's called the Zuiko 75mm f/1.8 and weighs 305g.

    Jokes aside, and please don't take this as criticism, just curious:
    I looked at the images at dpr taken with this lens and the A9. Most of the images looked surprisingly grainy already at ISO 800. Is that normal for the A9, or is it something about the processing at dpr?

    Apart from that, this looks like a great lens. When the ZA 135mm f/1.8 was launched, I was soooo close to buying a Sony camera. Unfortunately, only the A100 (More or less the former Minolta 5D I believe) was available at the time, and its viewfinder seemed even smaller than the one on my Fuji S3, so I skipped it.

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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Ah, but Olympus already did that. It's called the Zuiko 75mm f/1.8 and weighs 305g.

    Jokes aside, and please don't take this as criticism, just curious:
    I looked at the images at dpr taken with this lens and the A9. Most of the images looked surprisingly grainy already at ISO 800. Is that normal for the A9, or is it something about the processing at dpr?

    Apart from that, this looks like a great lens. When the ZA 135mm f/1.8 was launched, I was soooo close to buying a Sony camera. Unfortunately, only the A100 (More or less the former Minolta 5D I believe) was available at the time, and its viewfinder seemed even smaller than the one on my Fuji S3, so I skipped it.
    The 75/1.8 is a 150mm equivalent.

    Regarding graininess at ISO 800... Probably is DPR and overly sharpening. See all the A9 examples here. Also I’d say that most Sony cameras don’t really begin to really show hints of grain until ISO 3200-8000 (depending on the camera).
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Theres nothing decent for Nikon in this focal length except for Zeiss ZF and Milvus

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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    There's little difference between 135 and 150mm. These are my favorite focal lengths, and I hardly see which one I use.

    Yes, this is a unique proposition from Sony. Anything similar is totally lacking from Nikon's reportoir, and their DSLR alternatives are old as Methuselah and won't AF on the Z bodies.

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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    Theres nothing decent for Nikon in this focal length except for Zeiss ZF and Milvus
    Well thereís the Sigma Art 135/1.8...
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    There's little difference between 135 and 150mm. These are my favorite focal lengths, and I hardly see which one I use.

    Yes, this is a unique proposition from Sony. Anything similar is totally lacking from Nikon's reportoir, and their DSLR alternatives are old as Methuselah and won't AF on the Z bodies.
    Yeah... I donít care all that much about what Nikon has going on over there. They make good cameras but theyíre not for me in any way so Iíd never buy one though I do think they have a few lenses I wouldnít mind in a different Mount. Thereís still the Sigma option of the 135/1.8. Itís a great lens and Iíve tested it on a D850 when it was first released.
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Ah, but Olympus already did that. It's called the Zuiko 75mm f/1.8 and weighs 305g.
    But no decent BSI sensor to put behind it

    Just kidding, but I'm not really tempted to jump ship and/or start entertaining two systems. Until Sony (or maybe Samyang/someone else) bring out a light(er)/economy AF E-mount 135/2.8 my OM Zuiko 135/2.8 does very well for me. And for me the Zeiss Batis doesn't fall in the right catagory either.
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    Regarding graininess at ISO 800... Probably is DPR and overly sharpening. See all the A9 examples here. Also Iíd say that most Sony cameras donít really begin to really show hints of grain until ISO 3200-8000 (depending on the camera).
    Agree, they look pretty clean here. Even my old A700 (with an APS-C sensor from 12 years ago) can deliver quite clean shots at iso 2000 with a little care (I even lifted the shadows a bit in this shot):
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    But it's an interesting fact:
    Back in the day, all brands had one, two or even three 135 mm lenses if different sizes and max apertures, like 2.0, 2.8 and 3.5. Then, it was as if 135 mm went out of fashion, and was replaced by the 70-200 mm zooms. But the compactness of a 135 mm f/2.8 or 3.5 is something that can't be copied in a zoom, at least not with comparable image quality and for the same sensor size.

    The new, large f/1.8 lenses are great of course, but unfortunately the greatness also includes the weight and form factor. But why am I complaining? I'm shooting MFT, and for that format, that lens is alive and well, although 10% longer

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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    The new, large f/1.8 lenses are great of course, but unfortunately the greatness also includes the weight and form factor.
    "Great" or just "Heavy"

    However the Sony 85/1.8 is not too heavy, only 371 grams and cropping to APS-C I still gets me a plenty sharp 11 MP's (usually more than enough) 135 mm FF FOV
    If you look at it that way you could consider it a "poor man's" 1.5 x zoom

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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    "Great" or just "Heavy"

    However the Sony 85/1.8 is not too heavy, only 371 grams and cropping to APS-C I still gets me a plenty sharp 11 MP's (usually more than enough) 135 mm FF FOV
    If you look at it that way you could consider it a "poor man's" 1.5 x zoom
    Yup, which is a good arguments for cameras like the A6400/6500, the Nikon D500 etc., used together with their full frame brothers. If seen that way, 2 cameras with the same mount but full frame and APS sensor size can make a 14/35/85mm lens combo into 14/21/35/53/85/128 mm combo, rather complete.

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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    I got one on order. Could not resist
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I got one on order. Could not resist
    After seeing more images from it Iím putting my name on the T&E list for it. Hopefully I wonít be waiting as long for it as I have for the 24 GM...
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    MTF results by LensRentals

    An excellent result (especially considering it has a mount that's too small ), but as always there's a lot more to a lens than sharpness alone.
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    MTF results by LensRentals

    An excellent result (especially considering it has a mount that's too small ), but as always there's a lot more to a lens than sharpness alone.
    I keep trying to love this lens but the more I see of the newer GM lenses the more they remind me of the Sigma Art lenses. Extremely sharp but lacking in character. Itís not a terrible thing but theyíre missing something overall for me. If Iím being truthful I still find the A-Mount version to be more optically pleasing.
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    I keep trying to love this lens....
    That's funny Tre, I actually am trying not to love this lens because I find it too heavy and too expensive and not loving it will avoid my GAS to get it anyway

    Btw, I agree with you on the rendering of the A-mount 135/1.8, it gives very pleasing results but I also sold it because of its weight I almost never took it along.
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    That's funny Tre, I actually am trying not to love this lens because I find it too heavy and too expensive and not loving it will avoid my GAS to get it anyway

    Btw, I agree with you on the rendering of the A-mount 135/1.8, it gives very pleasing results but I also sold it because of its weight I almost never took it along.
    Well the 135GM certainly performs well statistically but in the pursuit of optical “perfection” I feel that we are getting to a place where it’s hard to tell a $800 lens from a $8000 one. On the surface this is a great thing but for better or for worse lenses seem to be overly neutral in rendering these days. Lenses like the Mandler Leica’s or the Zeiss Contax Yashica lenses are legendary for being sharp stopped down or loaded with character wide open. I’d like to see more lenses released like that though ironically that’s Leica’s goal with their Cinema Thalia lenses (way outside the price range for most though).

    A couple of standout lenses for me recently are the APO-Summicron 35/2 SL and the LUMIX S Pro 50/1.4... and in Sony land the 100 GM STF. These just all seem to be a bit more special for what I do personally but unless I hit the lottery (not that I play it) I don’t see myself adding them all anytime soon. Perhaps the 100 is an option... I still need to sell my 135/1.8 A-mount and perhaps the 85 Batis too would be an option to cover the cost.

    I just think I would’ve loved this lens if they took the 135/1.8 A-Mount optical formula and modernized it for E-Mount.
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Well, unfortunately, I think that we are at a place where lens character isn't important anymore. Character can be added in with software. What you say about the Mandlers and c/y lenses is so true as are some other classics. We are in a generation of bokeh and sharpness.

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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by JoelM View Post
    Well, unfortunately, I think that we are at a place where lens character isn't important anymore. Character can be added in with software. What you say about the Mandlers and c/y lenses is so true as are some other classics. We are in a generation of bokeh and sharpness.

    Joel
    Yeah I think we can have all of the above thinking about the Zeiss Otus lenses as well. You are right though and perhaps there’s room for another line of character lenses after the main lineup of lenses are completed. I like sharpness as much as the next person but I cringe a bit when a reviewer just talks about sharpness. There aren’t many unsharp lenses these days in reality but some clearly are sharper than others.
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Recent reviews indicate that the lens is super sharp. I wonder if a 135mm lens is used for anything other than portraits, in which case you may not want extreme sharpness. Perhaps other characteristics - contrast, color, bokeh may be equally or more important. Frankly I've never been able to appreciate the 'character' of a lens, despite having owned Leica glass.

    Interestingly, I was at a museum this weekend, saw some 'great' photos, most were blurry and would be trashed today. However, they are considered 'art'. So it all depends on what makes one happy I suppose. There was one particular exhibit which was basically a blue square, about three inches thick, in laquer. It was nothing but blue paint with a lighter slightly pink border, about 3 feet on each side. No idea what was so great about it, but it is still considered a great piece of art, to be put up in a major New York City museum.

    Having said that, too much GAS these days, I may put in an order for one myself
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post
    Recent reviews indicate that the lens is super sharp. I wonder if a 135mm lens is used for anything other than portraits, in which case you may not want extreme sharpness. Perhaps other characteristics - contrast, color, bokeh may be equally or more important. Frankly I've never been able to appreciate the 'character' of a lens, despite having owned Leica glass.

    Interestingly, I was at a museum this weekend, saw some 'great' photos, most were blurry and would be trashed today. However, they are considered 'art'. So it all depends on what makes one happy I suppose. There was one particular exhibit which was basically a blue square, about three inches thick, in laquer. It was nothing but blue paint with a lighter slightly pink border, about 3 feet on each side. No idea what was so great about it, but it is still considered a great piece of art, to be put up in a major New York City museum.

    Having said that, too much GAS these days, I may put in an order for one myself
    I often comment in my own head that many ďgreat works of artĒ look like a child did them by accident... maybe Iím just not ďculturedĒ enough to appreciate them though.
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    Re: Sony 135/1.8 GM

    I often use a 135mm lens for landscape photos. I think this will be a fantastic lens for more than portraits. The price kills me so I'll stick to my old 135L on the a7rii. That way, I can save up for Dante's demands.

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