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    Re: A7r IV

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    What happened to Guy Joe?
    I'm alive and just got the A7rIV. Lovin' it so far
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    Thanks. Iíll check the camera out once itís released this fall... I was just hoping for a bit more. Iíll be heading to Asia over the weekend to do some work out there with probably just the 35/1.4 and 55/1.8 in tow. I considered selling my 35/1.4 for the 35/1.8 but Iím not sure that I will yet.

    On a side note i did try out the 24, 135, and 200-600 last Saturday briefly. Theyíre all great lenses. I imagine the 200-600 is a must have for anyone that cares about wildlife photography or an affordable sports lens option.
    On the A7R4 the 100-400 is actually the must have wildlife lens - much sharper, much faster than the 200-600 and also smaller and lighter. Much better to handle IMO. And using the APSC Crop of the A7R4 results in a 600mm reach with that lens and still delivers 26MP.

    So the 100-400 is the clear winner for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    On the A7R4 the 100-400 is actually the must have wildlife lens - much sharper, much faster than the 200-600 and also smaller and lighter. Much better to handle IMO. And using the APSC Crop of the A7R4 results in a 600mm reach with that lens and still delivers 26MP.

    So the 100-400 is the clear winner for me.
    Thanks Peter. Thatís great.
    Do you actually have the camera and lens?
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    Thanks Peter. Thatís great.
    Do you actually have the camera and lens?
    No actually I do not own it by now but I had the chance to shoot this combo a few days ago - and man, this is what I always was dreaming for

    Currently on planning to acquire one asap, need to raise some funds .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    On the A7R4 the 100-400 is actually the must have wildlife lens - much sharper, much faster than the 200-600 and also smaller and lighter. Much better to handle IMO. And using the APSC Crop of the A7R4 results in a 600mm reach with that lens and still delivers 26MP.

    So the 100-400 is the clear winner for me.
    Yeah the 100-400 is a winner but the 200-600 isnít a slouch on the A9 by any means. I shot them back to back. If you need the reach itís there and of course the 200-600 in crop mode will net you a 300-900 equivalent without a 1.4x teleconverter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    Yeah the 100-400 is a winner but the 200-600 isnít a slouch on the A9 by any means. I shot them back to back. If you need the reach itís there and of course the 200-600 in crop mode will net you a 300-900 equivalent without a 1.4x teleconverter.
    I know, but I still prefer the 100-400. Wildlife on Safari (from a car) usually requires 95% this reach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I know, but I still prefer the 100-400. Wildlife on Safari (from a car) usually requires 95% this reach.
    I agree (depending on the park and subject). If itís birds youíre trying to photograph though, the 200-600 might be useful though in my experience. Iím not suggesting the 200-600 is as optically good as the 100-400 because itís not but if one needs the reach the option is a great one. So in essence Iím glad there are both options available. I still wouldíve preferred a constant f/5.6 in the 200-600 but thatís just me being greedy I guess. I could see having the 70-200 on one body and the 200-600 on another. It would be an amazing Safari combo IMO.

    ...now if I could convince Sony to stop housing their lenses in white Iíd be all the way satisfied. I hate having white lenses no matter how great they may be.
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    Yeep! This may be just the size increase I always wanted and asked for. Will test one as soon as they become available in Austria ���� (maybe not before autumn but that is more the ok for me).
    The larger grip and increased finger space beside the lens mount were two of several things things that caused me to buy one Saturday Sep. 28.. The grip feels as if it's maybe 5mm (0.2") deeper (front-to-back) and actually a little narrower (right-to-left at its base), but it feels lots better for me. (I sold my a7R3 early this year, so this is based on my poor memory. )

    The SmallRig bottom plate/L-bracket for the 'R3...
    https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-l-...i-a9-2122.html
    ...just fits the 'R4 and will be adequate (until the SmallRig 'R4 L-bracket arrives in October) to increase the vertical finger space that's so lacking on ALL the a7n bodies.

    FWIW, other reasons I'm moving away from my much-loved Panasonic S1R are--
    lighter weight,
    MANY-more lenses available,
    high-rez,
    Metabones EF adapter plays very well with my two EF-mount lenses
    Use of two UHS-II SD memory cards

    Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for the MB adapter and Zony 16-35/4 lens to arrive tomorrow and Wed.. I was using the EXCELLENT Sigma 14-24/2.8 Art on the S1R and planned to have Sigma switch its mount to FE, but then I did more research on the Zony and chose it.. Thanx to Lens Rentals' large inventory, reasonable rental rates, and FAST service and shipping, I'm renting before buying.

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    ...

    Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for the MB adapter and Zony 16-35/4 lens to arrive tomorrow and Wed.. I was using the EXCELLENT Sigma 14-24/2.8 Art on the S1R and planned to have Sigma switch its mount to FE, but then I did more research on the Zony and chose it.. Thanx to Lens Rentals' large inventory, reasonable rental rates, and FAST service and shipping, I'm renting before buying.
    Turns out I bought a Sigma 14-24 Art which arrived today.. Tested it and the Zony 16-35/4.. In a few words, the Sigma whipped the Zony in resolution, centers and sides.. The Zony has some advantages--lighter, smaller, uses screw-in filters--but it's simply not competitive with the best of modern lenses with the 'R4.. I have a Tamrom 17-28 coming from Lens Rentals.

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    I went with the Canon 16-35L f4 and Sigma MC-11 adapter. Focuses fast and that lens is fantastic throughout it's entire focal range. A bargain can be had for about $700 in mint used condition in the box.

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    So I was able to go by the local camera store for their Tamron event to put my name down on the 70-180/2.8 waiting list which I’m first on. The rep did reiterate that Tamron has 6 additional lenses in the pipeline for announcement next year. At least 2 of them are for Sony FE but the other 4 MAY come to Sony as well.

    While I was there I did test out the A7RIV. In short it’s an excellent camera but the size really isn’t all that different for me personally. It’ll likely demand the vertical grip if I’m using the camera with longer lenses. My pinky finger and my ring finger still come off the camera. The beefier grip is comfortable though. The EVF is nice but not so nice that I find it to be the thing that magically makes me decide to give an EVF the chance of day. Some that are much more sensitive to a “good” EVF might feel differently but I’ve thought that they’ve been good enough for years now. Switching the EVF from standard (default settings) to high performance does improve the EVF (at the cost of reduced battery life) but again I didn’t feel it was necessary in standard shooting. I tested performance with both of the Tamron f/2.8 zooms and the 55/1.8. The performance was great as expected.

    All in all I see why some like it better. I still want a larger body option.
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    Re: A7r IV

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm alive and just got the A7rIV. Lovin' it so far
    Glad to hear it Guy - miss your enthusiasm and contributions!

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    Re: A7r IV

    new to Sony and A7RM4

    So set ISO to Auto and to recognize ISO from 100-3200max

    set "ISO Range Limit" from 100 to 3200

    set "ISO AUTO Min.ss" to 1/250

    So why when I point to a scene does the ss drop below 1/250. Shouldn't it drop to 1/250 and then after that start raising the ISO up to my 3200 setting based on my "ISO Range Limit" setting?

    Thanks for any help.

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    Hi Lou...... although I don't use this feature on the Sony I have used it on the GFX and with all of the settings mimicking yours the shutter speed would drop below my minimum 'if' the scene were outside of the bounds of the highest ISO setting. I believe if you were to raise your ISO upper limit you would be able to maintain your minimum shutter speed.

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    What I am not used to if it hits the upper ISO setting and the LOW SS I set then it starts to take the f-stop to a smaller number even if I have it set on A.

    The Q2 does not work that way zs it just underexposes the image once both high ISO and low SS are reached, which is fine for me while being able to bring up shadows.

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    Lou, take a look at the user manual page which I've posted. In the 'Notes' they address the issue you are referring to.

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    There must be a way to fool the camera so that this does not happen. EC dial perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffreybehr View Post
    Turns out I bought a Sigma 14-24 Art which arrived today.. Tested it and the Zony 16-35/4.. In a few words, the Sigma whipped the Zony in resolution, centers and sides.
    Hi, could you post some comparison shots?

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    Hi, could you post some comparison shots?
    Quote Originally Posted by jeffreybehr View Post:

    "Turns out I bought a Sigma 14-24 Art which arrived today.. Tested it and the Zony 16-35/4.. In a few words, the Sigma whipped the Zony in resolution, centers and sides."


    This subject is sort of amusing.. I have NO shots comparing the two*.. I returned the rented 16-35/4.. I found the Sigma 14-24 to be excellent optically.. I also found it to be too heavy, too big, and that its inability to use front filters w/o a large, expensive filter system (like the Fotodiox WonderPana66) to be quite annoying, so I returned it.. Bought Zeiss Batises in 18, 40, and 85mm and love their results..

    BUT...still fascinated with the 'little' Zony 16-35/4, I ordered a new one last weekend.. It will be coming from Florida via a company that seems to take DAYS to do anything--for instance I ordered it Sunday and here on Wednesday morning, all they've done is prepare a shipping label--so maybe I'll see it next week.. I know I'll shoot some tests and maybe I'll be ambitous enough to prepare and post some comparsons with the Batis 18.

    BTW I LOVE your avatar.

    * Once I reject a lens, I toss all its test-pics as I have limited space in my computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vjbelle View Post
    Lou, take a look at the user manual page which I've posted. In the 'Notes' they address the issue you are referring to.

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    Sent it back.

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    jeffreybehr: "...Turns out I bought a Sigma 14-24 Art which arrived today.. Tested it and the Zony 16-35/4.. In a few words, the Sigma whipped the Zony in resolution, centers and sides.. The Zony has some advantages--lighter, smaller, uses screw-in filters--but it's simply not competitive with the best of modern lenses with the 'R4."

    Quote Originally Posted by picman View Post
    Hi, could you post some comparison shots?
    In a word, no; when I finish testing a lens, I toss the images as my computer's storage capacity is limited.

    Interestingly, I returned the Sigma and bought a trio of Batises--18, 40, and85mm--and I love the results from them.. However, I continue to be fascinated by the 'little' 16-35/4 and bought a new one Sunday the 24th; it'll be here Monday the 2nd.. I'm anxious to see how this copy's images look.. MAYBE my 'R4's quintet of lenses will be the 16-35/4, Batises in 40 and 85mm, and two EXCELLENT Canons, the humble, little, inexpensive 70-200/L/USM/non-IS plus the 50mm TS-E.

    More later.

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    Sent it back.
    For sure, that is one solution

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffreybehr View Post
    jeffreybehr: "...Turns out I bought a Sigma 14-24 Art which arrived today.. Tested it and the Zony 16-35/4.. In a few words, the Sigma whipped the Zony in resolution, centers and sides.. The Zony has some advantages--lighter, smaller, uses screw-in filters--but it's simply not competitive with the best of modern lenses with the 'R4."



    In a word, no; when I finish testing a lens, I toss the images as my computer's storage capacity is limited.

    Interestingly, I returned the Sigma and bought a trio of Batises--18, 40, and85mm--and I love the results from them.. However, I continue to be fascinated by the 'little' 16-35/4 and bought a new one Sunday the 24th; it'll be here Monday the 2nd.. I'm anxious to see how this copy's images look.. MAYBE my 'R4's quintet of lenses will be the 16-35/4, Batises in 40 and 85mm, and two EXCELLENT Canons, the humble, little, inexpensive 70-200/L/USM/non-IS plus the 50mm TS-E.

    More later.

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    Thanks for your reply, only saw it now. Itoo love the Batis lenses and quite enjoy the 16-35f4. Seems we have similar taste 😄

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    Quote Originally Posted by picman View Post
    Thanks for your reply, saw it only now. I too love the Batis lenses and quite enjoy the 16-35f4. Seems we have similar taste ��
    Well, close, but apparently I wasn't finished buying ultrawides.

    Frankly, I'm not sure what 'inspired' me to buy my 2nd Zony 16-35/4 in a few months (blind optimism?); it too did not perform well(1) and it's sold.. Finally I admitted to myself that the best-performing UW zoom that uses screw-on filters apparently is the Sony 16-35GM.. I think its $2200 price kept me from considering it, but I now have TWO here, one rented(2) and one purchased from B&H.. The rental arrived first and impressed very positively including the phillipreeve.com tests(3) for decentering; the new one performs just as well and I'm keeping it.

    I've retired the Batis 18 but will keep the 40 in my bag until I decide it's redundant with the 16-35.. So I'll have the 16-35GM, Batis 40/2 and 85/1.8, and Canon 70-200/4/L/USM/non-IS plus 1.4x(III) extender, plus the Canon 50mm TS-E Macro (gen.3), the best-resolving and most-versitile lens I've ever owned.

    ...oh ya...plus the Sony 24-105/4.


    (1) What this lens needs is a SQUARE sensor 24mm tall; that way one wouldn't see the lens's soft sides.
    (2) From LensRentals; $168 for seven days including $25 shipping both ways and $8 Arizona salestax.. Will be returned tomorrow the 12th.
    (3) https://phillipreeve.net/blog/how-to...-your-lens-is/
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    ...and this morning moved the other two Batises to the surplus pile.. I'll be 'carrying' the 16-35GM, 24-105/4, and Canon '98-280' /4/L/USM/1.4X, plus the TS-E 50 Macro (in a Rogetti frame) .

    Will be at Sabino Canyon...
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    ...Friday or Sat., scouting for foto ops.. Maybe I'll even take some pics!

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    Anyone use a Thumbs Up on this camera? Thanks.

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    Re: A7r IV

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    Sent it back.
    Bought it again. Mainly for street use.

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    While the Sony 7R4 is not a great camera for wildlife imaging, the megapixels allow for a vastly superior result over the SonyA9 out of photoshop. The higher megapixels allow for a more robust result from the shadow and highlight tool as well as the obvious improvement in resolution.
    The negative aspects of the 7r4 for birding photography are much slower focus acquisition and a less bright viewfinder compared to the A9.
    The 200-600mm lens with the 1.4 extender continues to impress; this image is not cropped and the bird was more than 100 yards away from the lens
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffreybehr View Post
    ...and this morning moved the other two Batises to the surplus pile.. I'll be 'carrying' the 16-35GM, 24-105/4, and Canon '98-280' /4/L/USM/1.4X, plus the TS-E 50 Macro (in a Rogetti frame) .

    Will be at Sabino Canyon...
    https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/coro...a/?recid=80532
    ...Friday or Sat., scouting for foto ops.. Maybe I'll even take some pics!
    Thanks for your post.
    Just wondering if the 24-105 is better than the 25/40/85 Batis threesome? Not sure what type of photography you aim for but I will be using these 3 for street on 1 or 2 bodies. I wanted to keep it small and fear that 24-105 might be too large for streeting.
    Any comments would be kind. Thanks.
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    I don't have the A7Riv but a A7ii and A7Rii. For street use I prefer my Sony 28/2 or Samyang 35/2.8 over my 24-70/4 zoom, since I find that one too large for street work, and the 24-105 is even larger. So my advice would be to stick with your Batis set for street allthough I realise that all of this is very subjective and really depends on your own personal preferences.
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    Graphic detail from this camera
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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    Thanks for your post.
    Just wondering if the 24-105 is better than the 25/40/85 Batis threesome? Not sure what type of photography you aim for but I will be using these 3 for street on 1 or 2 bodies. I wanted to keep it small and fear that 24-105 might be too large for streeting.
    Any comments would be kind. Thanks.
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    Well, seems I change my attitude about my lens mix about once a week.. I'm most ambivalent about the Sony 24-105--it's in the bag one week, the next week, out, then back in, etc.. I shoot mostly landscapes, and I suffer with the results of a right-shoulder-joint replacement in combination with a junk rotator cuff.. As a result, I have major limitations in weight I can load my right arm with--generally NMT around 10 pounds/4KG.

    Currently the 24-105 and the Batis 18 and 40 are in my surplus pile and are listed for sale on a couple foto forums.. I can't say that I dislike specific aspects of the 24-105, I simply don't much like it...can't be more specific than that.

    I think the Batis 40 would be wonderful for street fotografy in contrast to the 24-105 which would be, IMO, too large and too heavy.. (The 24-105's weight of 723 grams [with caps and hood] is 71% more than the 40's 422 grams.)

    The Batis 85 is in my bag of lenses as of now, along with the 16-35GM, Otus 55/1.4 (EF), Canon 70-200 (non-IS) plus 1.4-III extender and the TS-E50 Macro (gen.3).. We'll see.
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    Well, seems I change my attitude about my lens mix about once a week.. I'm most ambivalent about the Sony 24-105--it's in the bag one week, the next week, out, then back in, etc.. I shoot mostly landscapes, and I suffer with the results of a right-shoulder-joint replacement in combination with a junk rotator cuff.. As a result, I have major limitations in weight I can load my right arm with--generally NMT around 10 pounds/4KG.

    Currently the 24-105 and the Batis 18 and 40 are in my surplus pile and are listed for sale on a couple foto forums.. I can't say that I dislike specific aspects of the 24-105, I simply don't much like it...can't be more specific than that.

    I think the Batis 40 would be wonderful for street fotografy in contrast to the 24-105 which would be, IMO, too large and too heavy.. (The 24-105's weight of 723 grams [with caps and hood] is 71% more than the 40's 422 grams.)

    The Batis 85 is in my bag of lenses as of now, along with the 16-35GM, Otus 55/1.4 (EF), Canon 70-200 (non-IS) plus 1.4-III extender and the TS-E50 Macro (gen.3).. We'll see.
    I have used the Batis 25 in the past and that FL gives me room to compose at home should I need to. The 40 is a bit bigger than the 25, but still manageable and the 85 to my surprise is about the same length of the 40. Not a bad 3 lens street setup for me.

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    LOVE
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    Stan,
    The title LOVE is appropriate. Now its time to start a sonnet and I will begin with following words.
    "Lets live together forever,

    I am hoping to rescue me by our friend Matt for completing the rest.
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    Stan,
    The title LOVE is appropriate. Now its time to start a sonnet and I will begin with following words.
    "Lets live together forever,

    I am hoping to rescue me by our friend Matt for completing the rest.
    Thanks Matt.
    Sorry, my sonnet output is about one every forty years.

    Matt
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    Re: A7r IV

    This sensor is spectacular
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    I always wanted to get this shot. Finally had an opportunity this afternoon
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    First week with this camera. Works well with Batis 85mm

    ISO100, 1/125, 85 @5.6 processed in C1
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    Had fun with the AR7IV today with the 200-600mm lens
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