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    A7r IV

    looks like a nice evolution of the genre, better focus, dynamic range etc.
    not sure of price yet. wonder if this will impact on the 50mp MFD or not?

    real time eye-af in movies. that’s quite cool.

    edit: $3500 USD
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    I may be in the minority but Iím pretty underwhelmed by this camera. Iím sure itíll be great... they usually all are but it sort of answers a question that few were really asking.

    High points are the EVF (for those ultra sensitive to EVFís) and the Dual UHS-II slots. Low points for me are that it didnít receive the AF system from the A9 with 93% coverage, itís probably still 4k30, and the body isnít larger which is sort of pushing me further away from the system in a way.

    Iíll reserved final judgement for actual hands-on time but Iím really not excited at all about this camera to be 100% honest.
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    Re: A7r IV

    Better EVF is good. Would have liked to see focus bracketing, multiple exposures and lossless compressed RAW.
    Probably most attractive for the owners of a7rII who skipped the upgrade to a7rIII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SrMphoto View Post
    Better EVF is good. Would have liked to see focus bracketing, multiple exposures and lossless compressed RAW.
    Probably most attractive for the owners of a7rII who skipped the upgrade to a7rIII.
    Yeah I fit into the ďskipped the A7RIIIĒ category myself. For now Iíll just wait until the camera is out and I can get a hands-on with one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    I may be in the minority but Iím pretty underwhelmed by this camera.
    I understand where you're coming from but I think you'll have to wait for the A9ii. That probably has most of the goodies you're looking for, maybe a 42 MP sensor and hopefully for you a bigger body, allthough I wouldn't bet on the latter.

    For me I already determined 24 MP is all I need for the moment, so I also don't think I'll be getting one soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    I understand where you're coming from but I think you'll have to wait for the A9ii. That probably has most of the goodies you're looking for, maybe a 42 MP sensor and hopefully for you a bigger body, allthough I wouldn't bet on the latter.

    For me I already determined 24 MP is all I need for the moment, so I also don't think I'll be getting one soon.
    You may be right. I think he crux of it is that the A7RIII is already a great camera. Outside of resolution and a handful of improvements to the hardware I don’t really see the point of this camera right now really.

    Here are the detailed specs. https://www.sony.com/electronics/int...specifications

    Looks like they added 1:1 and 4:3 aspect ratios as well so that’s another positive for this camera though there shouldn’t be a reason why they can’t add these things to any camera.
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    Re: A7r IV

    think this is also the a9ii body with a bit modification on the dials, but now for the competition, my thoughts


    Canon better have something great cooking in the rf mount. So far Canon has rolled out great lenses in the RF mount but lackluster bodies.

    Nikon, the smaller company, I think is officially challenged!

    Leica S3 with 60 meg is rolling out at 20k!!

    L-mount I think it's in good shape

    m 4/3 needs the new sony 32 meg, which now I think it will be there

    Pentax, I love K1II. Hopefully, they survive

    fuji looks like holding their own; though I was hoping for a new 50 meg medium format camera, it seems a nogo
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    Re: A7r IV

    When will this camera actually be shipping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerett View Post
    When will this camera actually be shipping?
    September.

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    Re: A7r IV

    Agreed it looks like a nice evolution of the genre.

    I want to get another FF 35mm mirrorless at some point, maybe it fits the bill, maybe not. I had an A7R and A7RII but didn't really bond with them. I like the Nikon Z bodies but the Canon RF lens selection better. The A7RIV has some features that are intriguing to me though.

    Hoping the arrival of the A7RIV and 60 MP 35mm sensors has some influence on MF pricing, in particular the Hasselblad CFVII (price currently TBD).

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    Re: A7r IV

    Pretty excited about that camera. Especially when shooting APSC you still get 26MP.

    For me this is the death of all dedicated APSC cameras (looking at you Fuji).

    For me that is also the death of MFD - why bother with that size when one can have MFD resolution and qualities in a FF system.

    Still waiting for that rumoured Niko Z8 that should have around 60MP - maybe based on this sensor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Pretty excited about that camera. Especially when shooting APSC you still get 26MP.

    For me this is the death of all dedicated APSC cameras (looking at you Fuji).

    For me that is also the death of MFD - why bother with that size when one can have MFD resolution and qualities in a FF system.

    Still waiting for that rumoured Niko Z8 that should have around 60MP - maybe based on this sensor.
    I doubt itís the death of APS-C... thereís a big difference in the $1500 vs. $3500 market. Resolution aside thereís still a difference between MFD and 35mm based system. What it MAY do is cut into a segment that wants the resolution but may not have the MFD budget but they still give a different look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    Iíll reserved final judgement for actual hands-on time but Iím really not excited at all about this camera to be 100% honest.
    Looking a bit closer I can see the new body is a bit wider and the extra room goes inbetween the grip and the mount. The grip is also shaped differently giving your fingers more extra room than just the extra few mm the body got wider. Don't know if this is enough for your liking, but it's a start
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    Looking a bit closer I can see the new body is a bit wider and the extra room goes inbetween the grip and the mount. The grip is also shaped differently giving your fingers more extra room than just the extra few mm the body got wider. Don't know if this is enough for your liking, but it's a start
    Yeep!

    This may be just the size increase I always wanted and asked for. Will test one as soon as they become available in Austria ���� (maybe not before autumn but that is more the ok for me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    Looking a bit closer I can see the new body is a bit wider and the extra room goes inbetween the grip and the mount. The grip is also shaped differently giving your fingers more extra room than just the extra few mm the body got wider. Don't know if this is enough for your liking, but it's a start
    It's a good start for sure, but I reckon you still may require the battery grip or the grip extender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    It's a good start for sure, but I reckon you still may require the battery grip or the grip extender.
    The battery grip would be no problem - I would have it muted to that body more than 50% of the time. Actually this new battery grip design is a really smart move from Sony taking lot of arguments out the you compare this combination to the EM1X handling wise.

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    I am pretty excited about this camera but then I get excited very easily

    It does check the box for me in one big way, which is the ability to crop to APS-C (don't think I will be using the mode directly) size without loss of resolution. Most of my wildlife photography has been with the a9 which is further cropped for prints or final images, leaving me with at best 10-15 MP in resolution. I still manage to print at 24X36 but it would be great to have more pixels available.

    The past year or two I've shot exclusively with the 100-400 GM and most of the time with the 1.4TC on it. That makes it f8 and the background is very busy especially for birds perched on a branch with the foliage behind. Not to mention need for higher ISOs to keep the shutter speed up at that small an aperture.

    What is incredible with this big a sensor which I think people do not immediately recognize is that you can keep your lenses wide open and still get that reach. So imagine if you had to use the 400 2.8 or the 600 f4 with this. You can then have a 26MP image shot at 600mm at f2.8 or at 900mm at f4. Has anybody ever had a high resolution image captured at 600mm at f2.8? I honestly believe this will be a huge advantage for wildlife photography too and not just for high-res landscape lovers.

    Even if you do not own a SuperTele, the 100-400 will now give you 600mm at f5.6. I know the a6000 series already did that, and I too own an a6500, but believe me, it is not the same thing, the issue with the different batteries and chargers apart.

    My only concern is whether the AF will be better than on my A7r3 which despite all the claims is not to my liking.

    The other thing which Tre brings up is the size. I believe this does have a deeper grip so that too would be an advantage for people with big hands. Me, the smaller the better, especially if I am going to pop a big lens on it.

    I think overall this is good news for all of us, and not just Sony users.
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    Re: A7r IV

    Still waiting on A9 update.
    Now I have definitely skipped the A7r3.
    Dunno skipping the A7r4? Time will tell.
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    The A7RII is down to $1495 and the A7RIII is now $2495 at B&H. Pretty good prices for 42MP FF.

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    Re: A7r IV

    There are already 15 pages of discussion on the a7RIV over at Fred Miranda's site:

    https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1604742/0

    Our old friend Guy Mancuso hangs out there.

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    Re: A7r IV

    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post
    I believe this does have a deeper grip so that too would be an advantage for people with big hands. Me, the smaller the better, especially if I am going to pop a big lens on it.
    According to my rudimentary photogrammetrical analysis below, Sony has smashed its previous grip-depth record with the A7RIV: 23.6 mm!



    This represents an increase of ~4.9 mm compared to the A7RIII and, unfortunately, it also makes the camera a non-starter for use with my various FrankenKameras, wherein I use my A7R as a poor-man's digital back, along with various adapted lenses, and mount it to my FrankenKameras via its lens mount. For example, here's my modified Cambo WDS outfit, which provides generous amounts of rise / fall / shift movements on its rear standard:



    The trouble with this approach is that the greater the depth of the grip, the thicker the spacer that is required to provide sufficient clearance for the grip relative to the camera mount panel. And the as the thickness of the spacer increases, the minimum FFD of the lenses that can be used with it increases by a similar amount.

    (For those who haven't been paying close attention to it, here's how the grip depth has (de)volved over the four generations of the A7R series: A7R - 8.8 mm; A7RII - 16.9 mm; A7RIII - 18.7 mm; A7RIV - 23.6 mm.)

    Perhaps surprisingly, I use 35 mm format lenses most of the time -- you might be surprised how many of them project image circles large enough to provide a useful range of rise / fall / shift movements -- and the grip used on the A7RII was just beyond the limit my cameras could handle without significant additional modification. The A7RIII, with its even deeper grip still, can't be accommodated on my FrankenKameras using my lenses of choice (film-era Contax / Yashica lenses) and is basically limited to being used with medium-format lenses.

    Worse, the one camera I own that is designed in such a way that it can accommodate the grip of the A7RIV -- a Cambo Actus -- will only just barely do so when used with my lenses of choice.

    I just took some quick-and-dirty measurements from my Actus, which is presently setup to use my C/Y lenses, which have a FFD of 45.5 mm.

    The A7RIV's deeper grip will easily clear the Actus' rotating camera mount bracket, but -- incredibly! -- it will also come within 3 mm of the outer edge of the back side of the lens panel.

    This means it will push / fold the outer edge of the standard bellows around the outer edge of the lens panel and sandwich the bellows material between the lens panel and grip.

    Not only is this likely to interfere with the rise / fall mechanism on the rear standard, but it will significantly limit the amount of tilt and swing that can be applied on the front standard as well.

    Fortunately, Cambo does offer a single-pleat bellows for use with wide-angle lenses and this will at least partially address these issues by reducing the amount of bellows material that ends up being sandwiched between the Actus and A7RIV bodies compared to the three-pleat standard bellows.

    And Yes, I realize Cambo didn't design the Actus to be used with 35 mm format bodies and 35 mm format lenses, but they do intend for it to be used with APS-C and m4/3 format bodies and 35 mm format lenses, and if this trend of increasing grip depth on mirrorless camera bodies continues, this may eventually become an issue with those bodies as well.

    And I also realize that my particular combinations of needs and wants makes me very much outlier among the potential buyers of a Sony camera body, so I can't say any of this comes as a surprise to me. However, it sure would be nice if Sony recognized that not one form-factor works best for all photographers -- and especially not when the grip becomes larger and its depth becomes deeper every time they update it! -- and offer an alternative model that is flatter across the front. You know, like Fuji does across its camera range...

    Needless to say, this is a long-winded rant pointing out that not everybody is pleased by Sony's decision to increase the size and depth of the grip on its A7R-series bodies with each succeeding generation. The fact that the A7RIV body is also 200g heavier than the original A7R (which represents an almost 50 percent increase ... oink, oink!) is not particularly welcome, either.

    Mind you, I'm very happy with the performance of my A7R and although I would like to replace it someday, with the direction Sony appears to be headed, I fear that might never be possible.
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    Re: A7r IV

    Looks like a nice and also logical development. I see that they have raised and (probably) improved some of the buttons, like the AF-on, which is good. What I don't understand is why they are still leaving the area to the left of the viewfinder open. Most cameras, including the A9, utilise that space, and this being one of the smallest full fram mirrorless cameras on the market, I would have thought that using every bit of space is a good idea.

    Edit:
    I looked at some of the portrait photos taken with the camera at dpr. Even considering the fact that most of the dpr staff are lousy photographers, I'm surprised to see a slight blur in and around the eyes of some of the subjects. With all the technology in this camera and not least the heavy marketing of eye focus, 5 way stabilisation etc., I would have thought that even dpr staff could produce sharp images, but apparently not. Image 46 is one of them, but not the worst.
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    Re: A7r IV

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    There are already 15 pages of discussion on the a7RIV over at Fred Miranda's site:

    https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1604742/0

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    Re: A7r IV

    Looks like a great camera to me - but larger chips render differently to smaller chips so I don't see it is a MF killer- I do see it is another 'Sony goes BAM' to 35mm format cameras - including any brand - my hands are just too big for its form factor. Sony shooters are lucky - the company continues to lead the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    I may be in the minority but Iím pretty underwhelmed by this camera. Iím sure itíll be great... they usually all are but it sort of answers a question that few were really asking.

    High points are the EVF (for those ultra sensitive to EVFís) and the Dual UHS-II slots. Low points for me are that it didnít receive the AF system from the A9 with 93% coverage, itís probably still 4k30, and the body isnít larger which is sort of pushing me further away from the system in a way.

    Iíll reserved final judgement for actual hands-on time but Iím really not excited at all about this camera to be 100% honest.
    I am glad they didn't make the camera any bigger. I believe increasing the camera size is NOT what the vast majority of Sony users want. For those who want a larger camera, there are plenty of alternative options in the market including the mirrorless market (Panasonic).

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    Looks like no ES nor EFCS which is a surprise to me even though on the B&H video the Sony person says shutter vibration is minimized. Also no GPS.

    But all the rest is impressive including over 200MP in pixel shift mode. Do any of you know if one MUST use the Sony software for pixel shift?

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    Do any of you know if one MUST use the Sony software for pixel shift?
    Initially I'm sure you must, but it's likely that the (very handy) PixelShift2DNG app will be updated to do it eventually.

    PixelShift2DNG (beta): Convert Pentax K1/K3-II and Sony A7R-III Pixel Shift Files to DNG | FastRawViewer
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    Quote Originally Posted by raminolta View Post
    I am glad they didn't make the camera any bigger. I believe increasing the camera size is NOT what the vast majority of Sony users want. For those who want a larger camera, there are plenty of alternative options in the market including the mirrorless market (Panasonic).
    Iím sure there are those that want a larger body option in the Sony ecosystem. Yes we could all buy into multiple systems but the reality is that perhaps people largely enjoy and want to stick with the Sony ecosystem theyíre already invested into. To explain, Iím not saying I want all Sony bodies to grow. I just want a larger option for the times when I have a Sony Zeiss or G-Master attached to the camera. The current size is fine with my 55/1.8 on it. Not so much with a 70-200GM and grip as it approaches uncomfortable over time.

    I prefer to not have to dump everything that I own (though I will if a system no longer works for me) and Iím sure Sony doesnít want to lose my business in the future. Iím not the person that goes to Best Buy to purchase the A6000 and the kit lens without adding more lenses. Iím the person they can earn 10ís of thousands from over several years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    Iím sure there are those that want a larger body option in the Sony ecosystem. Yes we could all buy into multiple systems but the reality is that perhaps people largely enjoy and want to stick with the Sony ecosystem theyíre already invested into. To explain, Iím not saying I want all Sony bodies to grow. I just want a larger option for the times when I have a Sony Zeiss or G-Master attached to the camera. The current size is fine with my 55/1.8 on it. Not so much with a 70-200GM and grip as it approaches uncomfortable over time.
    *Ding!*

    One size does not fit all, but Sony (and other mirrorless camera manufacturers, except Fuji) don't seem to care. They have no problem offering a range of different cameras, which is great and I support this, but when it comes to offering a camera with a different form-factor, they simply aren't interested.

    If this doesn't change soon, then I will have no choice but to vote with my feet and find happiness elsewhere...
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    Looks like no ES nor EFCS which is a surprise to me even though on the B&H video the Sony person says shutter vibration is minimized. Also no GPS.
    From site https://www.sony.com/electronics/int...specifications
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    I don't need gps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audii-Dudii View Post
    *Ding!*

    One size does not fit all, but Sony (and other mirrorless camera manufacturers, except Fuji) don't seem to care. They have no problem offering a range of different cameras, which is great and I support this, but when it comes to offering a camera with a different form-factor, they simply aren't interested.

    If this doesn't change soon, then I will have no choice but to vote with my feet and find happiness elsewhere...
    I agree and I think thereís room for an A6 (FF Rangefinder style form factor) especially for those that love using the excellent Zeiss Loxia or Voigtlander primes... and maybe an A8/Alpha Pro style body as described in other threads.

    Truthfully with ISO becoming less of an issue, perhaps some of the variant models can be combined. Perhaps there doesnít need to be a base model, a resolution model, and a high sensitivity model... perhaps there doesnít need to be an A6000/6300/6400/6500 being sold alongside one another going forward. Maybe there can be a high end crop A5, Rangefinder style A6, all around A7, high res A8, compact sports/outdoors A9, flagship video Ax model, and flagship photo Alpha Pro model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Guy hangs out on the Sony forum on the Fred Miranda website. He uses the screen name "GMPhotography". He's rarely spotted nowadays on GetDPI. I don't think he's posted here in years.

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    I agree and I think thereís room for an A6 (FF Rangefinder style form factor) especially for those that love using the excellent Zeiss Loxia or Voigtlander primes... and maybe an A8/Alpha Pro style body as described in other threads.

    Truthfully with ISO becoming less of an issue, perhaps some of the variant models can be combined. Perhaps there doesnít need to be a base model, a resolution model, and a high sensitivity model... perhaps there doesnít need to be an A6000/6300/6400/6500 being sold alongside one another going forward. Maybe there can be a high end crop A5, Rangefinder style A6, all around A7, high res A8, compact sports/outdoors A9, flagship video Ax model, and flagship photo Alpha Pro model.
    Tre, I think one has to revisit the reasons why so many of us chose to go with Sony especially people like me who have been with the brand from the NEX5 days. Being only 5'5" and not very muscular I've always had problems with heavy gear, but then we are all victims of our own ambitions no?

    In my search for the holy grail in photography, I've tried to put together a system that is small, lightweight, high resolution, with superfast AF. In terms of the camera body, I guess the a9 and now the a7r4 are perfect (almost). Lenses are another question for the laws of physics do come into play and yet, I think the newer SuperTeles (from all the makes) are amazing.

    I've tried the Leica (M series) and the Phase One, then the Pentax-645Z during my long journey, but nothing has come close to the comfort, satisfaction and pure joy of using the Sony cameras and lenses. In just a few years they have built a huge ecosystem that has now become the envy of all the established Brands. yes, I may sound like a Fanboy, but my quest has always been for the best (from my pov) and I am glad things are turning out the way they are.

    Therefore, I am super happy that they are not going back to the days of the big 1DX type bodies which were so unwieldy for people like me. We all look out for our own needs don't we?
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    Tre, I think one has to revisit the reasons why so many of us chose to go with Sony especially people like me who have been with the brand from the NEX5 days. Being only 5'5" and not very muscular I've always had problems with heavy gear, but then we are all victims of our own ambitions no?

    In my search for the holy grail in photography, I've tried to put together a system that is small, lightweight, high resolution, with superfast AF. In terms of the camera body, I guess the a9 and now the a7r4 are perfect (almost). Lenses are another question for the laws of physics do come into play and yet, I think the newer SuperTeles (from all the makes) are amazing.

    I've tried the Leica (M series) and the Phase One, then the Pentax-645Z during my long journey, but nothing has come close to the comfort, satisfaction and pure joy of using the Sony cameras and lenses. In just a few years they have built a huge ecosystem that has now become the envy of all the established Brands. yes, I may sound like a Fanboy, but my quest has always been for the best (from my pov) and I am glad things are turning out the way they are.

    Therefore, I am super happy that they are not going back to the days of the big 1DX type bodies which were so unwieldy for people like me. We all look out for our own needs don't we?
    I can respect that but I didnít choose Sony specifically for the small size alone. I chose it for the capability, I chose the company as an industry disruptor, I chose it for the accurate color, I chose it for the affordable flexibility that it gave me when there were no other FFF Mirrorless options, and I chose it because I believe in the overall direction of the company more than I do most of their competition with a few notable exceptions.

    Im 6í3Ē so size isnít necessarily my concern and as I said, Iím not suggesting that Sony eliminate small options but rather add some larger options for those that do care about it. There are times where I love the size like when Iím traveling or am on vacation... but there are times where I wish for a larger body like say when I shoot the occasional wedding. Like you, Iíve been a Sony user since the NEX5 days and I shot on the A-Mount as a backup to my Leica M for telephoto needs. So yeah Iím pretty committed to sony but the last few years have had me considering a move that Iím trying to prevent.
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    *Ding!*

    One size does not fit all, but Sony (and other mirrorless camera manufacturers, except Fuji) don't seem to care. They have no problem offering a range of different cameras, which is great and I support this, but when it comes to offering a camera with a different form-factor, they simply aren't interested.

    If this doesn't change soon, then I will have no choice but to vote with my feet and find happiness elsewhere...
    The battery grips help a lot. I use larger cameras now, but when I did Ķ43 and A7II, I always had the grip attached, or else my last two fingers felt lost in space.

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    The battery grips help a lot. I use larger cameras now, but when I did Ķ43 and A7II, I always had the grip attached, or else my last two fingers felt lost in space.
    I understand and have absolutely no issues with any size and shape of battery grip so long as it can be removed when it's not needed or gets in the way.
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    About the size: I'm also one with bigger hands and I would be happy about a better grip. IMO it don't have to be a bigger camera but a better grip. To judge if the a7RIV can fullfill that, I'll wait until I have the new model in MY hands.

    About the features: I don't have the a9 nor a7RIII. For me (with an a7RII) there are A LOT of great new features in the a7RIV. Especially the matured AF system (which is in the a9/a7RIII already) will be usefull in many of my shooting situations.

    But it's often the small things that makes the new one shine:
    - I'm looking forward to the 61MP. When shooting locations for example. In these cases it's not about a better picture but more information.
    - The new aspect ratios are nice. Shooting pictures for a website, instagram or even to hang them up a wall often starts with the decision how the pictures will be presented.
    - Ergonomics: Sony redesigned the grip for the RIV. I will come to a conclusion about "camera fits to seb" when I can get one into my hands. But I'm looking forward to.
    - better weather sealing. The a7RII went two times to reparation. Once because a button jammed and once because the shutter was defective in cold weather. Then the days I was hiking hours in pouring rain and the camera just stopped working until it dried.
    - Redesigned body: Better haptic on all the buttons. It may not sound as much but I'm sure I don't want go back after a while I u
    - improved AF in video: I hardly shoot video because I'm very bad with MF in video. Maybe I'll get more into it with the new features.
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    I can respect that but I didnít choose Sony specifically for the small size alone. I chose it for the capability, I chose the company as an industry disruptor, I chose it for the accurate color, I chose it for the affordable flexibility that it gave me when there were no other FFF Mirrorless options, and I chose it because I believe in the overall direction of the company more than I do most of their competition with a few notable exceptions.

    Im 6í3Ē so size isnít necessarily my concern and as I said, Iím not suggesting that Sony eliminate small options but rather add some larger options for those that do care about it. There are times where I love the size like when Iím traveling or am on vacation... but there are times where I wish for a larger body like say when I shoot the occasional wedding. Like you, Iíve been a Sony user since the NEX5 days and I shot on the A-Mount as a backup to my Leica M for telephoto needs. So yeah Iím pretty committed to sony but the last few years have had me considering a move that Iím trying to prevent.
    Fair points, all. But I think all the brands are now trying to get on the mirrorless wagon and future direction seems to be towards small(er) bodies. Whether these are ergonomically suited to people with larger hands remains to be seen. I suppose one could design a body that is small and yet easy to use for everyone, but I suspect real estate becomes more precious the smaller the body gets and therefore harder to implement all the controls.

    We all want the camera to have every possible option that suits us and yet be of the perfect size for our own physical attributes. Combine that with certain specific requirements that matter a lot to some of us (somebody wanted a three-way articulating screen as top priority) and you end up with a pretty darned good camera that will make many people ecstatic, but won't please everyone.

    Small size too can only go so far. I for one would not be interested in the likes of the new Sigma FF - way too small even for me.

    The one thing that seems to be obvious to me, the days of the full-sized 1DX/1DS type bodies are over.
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    Fair points, all. But I think all the brands are now trying to get on the mirrorless wagon and future direction seems to be towards small(er) bodies. Whether these are ergonomically suited to people with larger hands remains to be seen. I suppose one could design a body that is small and yet easy to use for everyone, but I suspect real estate becomes more precious the smaller the body gets and therefore harder to implement all the controls.

    We all want the camera to have every possible option that suits us and yet be of the perfect size for our own physical attributes. Combine that with certain specific requirements that matter a lot to some of us (somebody wanted a three-way articulating screen as top priority) and you end up with a pretty darned good camera that will make many people ecstatic, but won't please everyone.

    Small size too can only go so far. I for one would not be interested in the likes of the new Sigma FF - way too small even for me.

    The one thing that seems to be obvious to me, the days of the full-sized 1DX/1DS type bodies are over.
    I agree but the only Mirrorless camera the size of a D5/1D are the medium format cameras with a grip attached.

    Even the largest FF camera (LUMIX S) is smaller than the 5D/Dxxx cameras. I think a FF camera on par with the Fuji XH1 would be ideal in size personally. Not too big but not too small.
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    I agree but the only Mirrorless camera the size of a D5/1D are the medium format cameras with a grip attached.

    Even the largest FF camera (LUMIX S) is smaller than the 5D/Dxxx cameras. I think a FF camera on par with the Fuji XH1 would be ideal in size personally. Not too big but not too small.

    The MF world is also going smaller, the Phase One Mamiya clone was a monster, the P-645Z too was huge. The only people who are still into large rigs are the dedicated landscape photographers with technical cameras/mounts who are patient enough to be able to deal with all the vagaries of such equipment. That niche too is shrinking as people begin to realize that you can get the same (or close to) results with lighter and smaller cameras. I think there comes a point where value for commercial work becomes more important than the passion and joy of photography. I cannot speak for the pros since I am still an amateur.

    I suppose there are still people out there who shoot with technical cams for the pure joy it provides. For them photography is very much an art form. In this age of instant gratification, they must be very few such people.
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    I suppose there are still people out there who shoot with technical cams for the pure joy it provides. For them photography is very much an art form. In this age of instant gratification, they must be very few such people.
    As I noted in my initial post above, there is at least one such person in existence and he's doing so using a Sony A7R body, too!



    Alas, he won't ever be able to do so using the A7RIV because of the *&^@*!& grip Sony gave that camera!
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    As I noted in my initial post above, there is at least one such person in existence and he's doing so using a Sony A7R body, too!



    Alas, he won't ever be able to do so using the A7RIV because of the *&^@*!& grip Sony gave that camera!
    Very impressed with your whole set-up! Keep enjoying the rlll, still a great camera. Cheers.

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    I had hoped that Focus stacking/shift would be incorporated but I guess not. The camera is a nogo for me without that feature.

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    As I noted in my initial post above, there is at least one such person in existence and he's doing so using a Sony A7R body, too!



    Alas, he won't ever be able to do so using the A7RIV because of the *&^@*!& grip Sony gave that camera!
    I'm curious to know what screen setup you are using. Thanks.

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    Some people refuse to honor the KISS principle

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    I'm curious to know what screen setup you are using. Thanks.
    The monitor is a Lilliput A12, which has a 12.5" diagonal screen and native 3840 x 2160 resolution:



    (FYI, the latter is overkill for my present A7R, which outputs a 2k HDMI signal, but the A7RIII and A7RIV output 4k HDMI signals on playback, so the additional resolution will be useful if / when I upgrade.)

    FYI, I need the larger external screen because I photograph at night and the larger display makes it much easier for me to compose and focus under challenging conditions, as well as to confirm focus and depth of field when reviewing the captured photos before striking the camera and moving onto the next scene:



    Also, the larger display is essential when I'm using my VX23D view camera and applying small amounts of tilt and swing movements, as well as rise / fall / shift movements:

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    Some people refuse to honor the KISS principle
    And some people apparently have difficulty accepting that others don't always see the world the same way they do... <rolls eyes>
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    The monitor is a Lilliput A12, which has a 12.5" diagonal screen and native 3840 x 2160 resolution:



    (FYI, the latter is overkill for my present A7R, which outputs a 2k HDMI signal, but the A7RIII and A7RIV output 4k HDMI signals on playback, so the additional resolution will be useful if / when I upgrade.)

    FYI, I need the larger external screen because I photograph at night and the larger display makes it much easier for me to compose and focus under challenging conditions, as well as to confirm focus and depth of field when reviewing the captured photos before striking the camera and moving onto the next scene:



    Also, the larger display is essential when I'm using my VX23D view camera and applying small amounts of tilt and swing movements, as well as rise / fall / shift movements:
    Awesome! And the very reason why I hang out here. It is so good to see the passion and dedication you bring to the art of photography. I wish I had the time but life has a habit of getting in the way

    Thanks for sharing the photos.
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