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    I am currently using canon 1dmk3 cameras with all L lens and am considering Sony A900 cameras with Zeiss lens as replacement cameras.

    However the lack of TWO recording cards with the ability to record RAW and JPEG at the same time to both cards seems to be an insurmountable hurdle in regard to moving the Sony A900.
    Any thoughts would be appreciated.
    (I am a professional wedding photographer)

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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    I agree, and although Ive been hopeful of a firmware change to this, that hope is dwindling. If there is a change, Id say it would happen when the A850 is announced, but I'm doubting it.

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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by Light View Post
    I am currently using canon 1dmk3 cameras with all L lens and am considering Sony A900 cameras with Zeiss lens as replacement cameras.

    However the lack of TWO recording cards with the ability to record RAW and JPEG at the same time to both cards seems to be an insurmountable hurdle in regard to moving the Sony A900.
    Any thoughts would be appreciated.
    (I am a professional wedding photographer)

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    Well, I know exactly where you are coming from.

    Let me make a suggestion ... based on my experiences.

    I WILL NOT shoot a wedding with a single card camera because I refuse to carry around two cameras at once for back-up. Being able to capture to two 16 gig CFs at once is cheap insurance against card malfunction.

    As a wedding professional, assuming you are the first line shooter, perhaps think of the A900 as a suppliment. Shoot the "must haves" with the dual card camera, and portraits/candids/isolating guest from the background shots with the Sony.

    I sometimes take one with me along with the dual card camera (previously a Canon 1DsMKIII, now a Nikon D3X or D3 both of which are FF and shoot to two cards). When I do that, I only take the Sony A900 with just two lenses ... the 85/1.4 and 135/1.8. All the zooms like a 14-24 and 24-70 are Nikon ...plus one fast Nikon lens just in case (like a 50/1.4 ... if it were the Canon I'd take the 35/1.4L)

    Since you have a Canon 1DMKIII you have low light work covered ... the Sony isn't that great in low light when shooting on the fly like at a wedding ... and doesn't focus as fast as your Canon in low light (with the exception of when using the 85/1.2MKII-L). But for the most part the RAW files come out of the A900 camera pretty much there, and can be processed to jpgs in the PS Image Processor in just minutes. Same for Lightroom.

    If you want to use flash with the A900, you can buy a converter adapter to fit Sony's propritary flash mount and just use one of your Canon flashes set on A ... works fine without buying yet another flash.

    Just a thought ... you get to have your cake and eat it too

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    Light, is this problem "insurmountable" or is it "a time-wasting, workflow disrupting PITA"? I think the difference is more than hair-splitting, as the Sony might offer other benefits that you would consider to be major; else why would you even consider the Sony? Not being a photo professional, my point of view may be radically different from yours.

    I suppose when it's your business, a "time-wasting, workflow disrupting PITA" might consitute an insurmountable obstruction.

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    The Sony A900 is a great camera, but it is a long way from perfect. I want better weather sealing and 16-bit capture, and if it is going to have two card slots, they should be the same card and you should be able to write to the cards serially or in parallel -- I have no use for redundant capture, but occasionally shoot in environments where I would prefer not to open the camera.

    If you don't like the A900 as it sits today, don't buy it. There is a pretty good chance a replacement in only a few month out.

    Quote Originally Posted by tom in mpls View Post
    Light, is this problem "insurmountable" or is it "a time-wasting, workflow disrupting PITA"?
    Bob, this is one of those things that if you have to ask you don't need it, and if you need it you have to have it. I can see this being important for wedding photographers and some journalists. For everyone else I think it is unnecessary. I would say the problem can be mitigated by downloading on the go to a suitable device (Epson, Vosonic, Colorspace), but if the card was farked at the time of capture, you now have a backup of the farked images rather than the original capture.

    Everyone's needs are different and right now I am loving the A900, but about 90 percent of my photography is bright daylight, with the rest being strobed (studio or outside) or low light.

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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    To clarify I am very impressed with the pro features of the A 900 ie Resolution, Stabilisation, Zeiss lens, Viewfinder, Lack of live view and NO VIDEO.
    I do not think that I can live with the risk of no backup at weddings ie only one card recording images.
    Looks like the D3x of 1Dsmk3 as possible upgrades as I wish to only use one system.

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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by Light View Post
    To clarify I am very impressed with the pro features of the A 900 ie Resolution, Stabilisation, Zeiss lens, Viewfinder, Lack of live view and NO VIDEO.
    I do not think that I can live with the risk of no backup at weddings ie only one card recording images.
    Looks like the D3x of 1Dsmk3 as possible upgrades as I wish to only use one system. RegardsLight
    Sony have never claimed the A900 to be a pro camera, although I know a lot of pro's do use them very successfully. Rumours are beginning to circulate about a pro A900 replacement, so it might be worth checking some of these out before discarding the Sony system altogether just yet. Always assuming that you can wait!

    In fact the A900 has rather better sealing than you think......as I recently discovered from a shoot in a monsoon type downpour! There are also quite a few internet shots circulating from a Polish pro sports photographer with his A900 and Zeiss lens covered in dust from an international motor rally, in the Sahara desert I think it was. But this doesn't get over your twin card requirement.

    Imagine having a twin card outfit but then your one and only camera fails with some other fault on a pro wedding shoot.......nightmares! Marc's advice above is very sound in my view.
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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Agreed there, Dave. I'd put the A900's weather handling up there with just about any camera. I do wish the card slots had more functions, though.

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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by Light View Post
    To clarify I am very impressed with the pro features of the A 900 ie Resolution, Stabilisation, Zeiss lens, Viewfinder, Lack of live view and NO VIDEO.
    I do not think that I can live with the risk of no backup at weddings ie only one card recording images.
    Looks like the D3x of 1Dsmk3 as possible upgrades as I wish to only use one system.

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    Depending on your shooting style, I wouldn't underestimate Live View. At first I thought it just a gimmick, but it's proved to be a very valuable feature that I wish were also available on my Medium Format digital cameras.

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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Agreed there, Dave. I'd put the A900's weather handling up there with just about any camera. I do wish the card slots had more functions, though.
    Yeah, it's an odd oversight IMO given how well thought out the A900 is in many other respects. To have a second slot and limit its use to just a second card to select ... I don't need that feature to just carry a second card with me

    Maybe it was a nod to previous Sony owners looking to move up with a fist full of Sony's propritary cards?

    But I thought the Canon solution was kinda dumb also making you use a SD card for the second slot (at the time SDs were way behind CFs in speed and capacity). IMO, the dual slots should be the same type ... either SD or CF.

    I use two 16 gig Extreme IVs in the Nikons and rarely have to open the camera during a wedding shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    In fact the A900 has rather better sealing than you think.....
    I think that it is pretty good, but until I know I can shoot in any condition without fear I will ask for better sealing. (In Jeff Foxworthy voice) "Unless your camera says "Nikonos" on it, you may need better weather sealing." Sorry guys, it's early.

    I have also considered asking Leitax to machine a groove in the adapter for a rubber o-ring a la Canon. I saw the pictures from the Polish photographer and that was a deciding factor in my purchase as I occasionally shoot in similar conditions. I suppose this is a bit of a rant here, but there are two parts to weather sealing, the first being good seals on the camera, the second being a manufacturer that stands behind them.

    Light, I hate to say it, but unless you can wait for a new camera, I think you have to go with Canon or Nikon. Buying into a system for a feature they are rumored to implement is a dangerous game. I was given the full feature list of the Canon 1DsmkIII along with vibrating sensor cleaning from someone who was/is heavily NDA from Canon in mid 2005 and told the camera would be out by October 2005. He had nothing to sell, he was excited to be getting one. Didn't happen.

    Sony gets pretty attached to their proprietary formats and I think a CF slot in place of the memory stick slot will be a tough pill for them to swallow. While they are at it, ditch the Minolta hot shoe for an ISO hot shoe. I don't care if it the Sony/Minolta mount is better, the rest of the world already decided to go with the ISO shoe. Betamax was better to. Get over it and assimilate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Light View Post
    To clarify I am very impressed with the pro features of the A 900 ie Resolution, Stabilisation, Zeiss lens, Viewfinder, Lack of live view and NO VIDEO.
    I do not think that I can live with the risk of no backup at weddings ie only one card recording images.
    Looks like the D3x of 1Dsmk3 as possible upgrades as I wish to only use one system.

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    I see. I failed to understand that the issue is file backup. Thanks.

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    If I were a wedding photographer, 2 cameras would be an absolute minimum requirement. Dual slot writing is a nice function for added redundancy, but in 10 years of using genuine sandisk cards, I've never had an issue with any card or camera I've used. I'd feel comfortable with a couple of cameras and a pocket full of top quality cards, YMMV.
    The medium format wedding photographers must be having the same concerns, can MFDB s write to 2 cards at the same time?.

    Anyway, it's your reputation on the line, nothing should be left to chance.
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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by Eoin View Post
    If I were a wedding photographer, 2 cameras would be an absolute minimum requirement.
    My sentiments exactly! I am not a wedding photographer but for most shooting where it costs me money to get the shot I would take along some sort of back up system. Touching wood......I have never in nearly 10 years of digital shooting ever had a card problem but I always have a spare with me. When travelling long distances from base, I also back up to a portable hard disc.

    However, I have had a digital camera malfunction big time..............and that was a Leica. Fortunately, my back up saved the day for me and I have never forgotten that one very important lesson! If something can fail, then sooner or later it will!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Well, I know exactly where you are coming from.

    Let me make a suggestion ... based on my experiences.

    I WILL NOT shoot a wedding with a single card camera because I refuse to carry around two cameras at once for back-up. Being able to capture to two 16 gig CFs at once is cheap insurance against card malfunction.

    As a wedding professional, assuming you are the first line shooter, perhaps think of the A900 as a suppliment. Shoot the "must haves" with the dual card camera, and portraits/candids/isolating guest from the background shots with the Sony.

    I sometimes take one with me along with the dual card camera (previously a Canon 1DsMKIII, now a Nikon D3X or D3 both of which are FF and shoot to two cards). When I do that, I only take the Sony A900 with just two lenses ... the 85/1.4 and 135/1.8. All the zooms like a 14-24 and 24-70 are Nikon ...plus one fast Nikon lens just in case (like a 50/1.4 ... if it were the Canon I'd take the 35/1.4L)

    Since you have a Canon 1DMKIII you have low light work covered ... the Sony isn't that great in low light when shooting on the fly like at a wedding ... and doesn't focus as fast as your Canon in low light (with the exception of when using the 85/1.2MKII-L). But for the most part the RAW files come out of the A900 camera pretty much there, and can be processed to jpgs in the PS Image Processor in just minutes. Same for Lightroom.

    If you want to use flash with the A900, you can buy a converter adapter to fit Sony's propritary flash mount and just use one of your Canon flashes set on A ... works fine without buying yet another flash.

    Just a thought ... you get to have your cake and eat it too
    Marc, I have a feeling that the Sony dual memory card setup was more of an upgrade path option for prior memory stick users, and was never really considered to have dual card usages. I'm worried that there may not even be the appropriate switching hardware in the camera to enable such features in a firmware update, which would be too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    My sentiments exactly! I am not a wedding photographer but for most shooting where it costs me money to get the shot I would take along some sort of back up system. Touching wood......I have never in nearly 10 years of digital shooting ever had a card problem but I always have a spare with me. When travelling long distances from base, I also back up to a portable hard disc.

    However, I have had a digital camera malfunction big time..............and that was a Leica. Fortunately, my back up saved the day for me and I have never forgotten that one very important lesson! If something can fail, then sooner or later it will!
    It's a rare wedding photographer that doesn't have redundant gear in all respects, sometimes three. The ones that do not are either beginners, Uncle Bob that's shooting for free, or fools.

    But that isn't the point. Redundancy of once in a lifetime, non-repeatable, lifestage images is the point.

    Yes, if something can fail, it will .... including memory cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Marc, I have a feeling that the Sony dual memory card setup was more of an upgrade path option for prior memory stick users, and was never really considered to have dual card usages. I'm worried that there may not even be the appropriate switching hardware in the camera to enable such features in a firmware update, which would be too bad.
    Pure semi-educated guesswork here, but unless Sony planned for this from the outset it may be difficult to accomplish. Sure, cards can be switched via firmware but to do this right it needs to write to both in parallel. If it would require switching from card to card internally(e.g. write one, then the other) Sony may be reluctant to add this feature because of the impact on stated fps/buffer performance.

    Also you have the ridiculous pricing on Memory Stick Duo cards that can keep up with the a900 to consider.

    If something like this could support RAID 1 it would address the problem IMHO: http://dvice.com/archives/2009/06/compactflash-ad.php
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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    I have two reasons for not buying the A900: lack of live-view, this has become an essential feature for focusing precisely MF and Alt glass, and lack of tilt/shift optics, another "must" for much of my photography. Otherwise the Sony (which I used for a few days) proved itself at least as good in terms of colour and tonality as my Canon and Nikon gear, I particularly liked the open, detailed midrange with refined, subtle transitions.
    For me, maybe next generation, definitely a system to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Anderson View Post
    Pure semi-educated guesswork here, but unless Sony planned for this from the outset it may be difficult to accomplish. Sure, cards can be switched via firmware but to do this right it needs to write to both in parallel. If it would require switching from card to card internally(e.g. write one, then the other) Sony may be reluctant to add this feature because of the impact on stated fps/buffer performance.

    Also you have the ridiculous pricing on Memory Stick Duo cards that can keep up with the a900 to consider.

    If something like this could support RAID 1 it would address the problem IMHO: http://dvice.com/archives/2009/06/compactflash-ad.php
    Interesting device. If that worked (1.e., shoot to cards at once), it would solve the problem pretty inexpensively.

    Wouldn't the dual card camera have a split channel? I mean, take the Canon 1DMKIII that shoots 10 FPS to two cards.

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    Photofast also makes a dual microSD-Memory Stick adapter that serves the same purpose. It also can do RAID, but allegedly can be used with a single card as well.

    Thinking of getting one in case I need to email a photo on the fly. I can shoot it onto microSD, then send it through my cell phone.

    Just in case taking the photo WITH my cell phone wasn't sufficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Wouldn't the dual card camera have a split channel?
    Ideally, yes. If you're not writing to both at the same time it's only going to slow you down. That's what I was trying to say in my earlier comment.
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    During film days, I used to have a custom made camera that shot on 2 films simultaneously. That way I used to give the lab the first set of films, and if he screwed the processing, I would give him the second set. But sometimes, the lab screwed both sets, so I had to make a camera that shoots to 3 films simultaneously.

    I heard Canon is working on the 1Ds4 to shoot to 4 cards, just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    During film days, I used to have a custom made camera that shot on 2 films simultaneously. That way I used to give the lab the first set of films, and if he screwed the processing, I would give him the second set. But sometimes, the lab screwed both sets, so I had to make a camera that shoots to 3 films simultaneously.

    I heard Canon is working on the 1Ds4 to shoot to 4 cards, just in case.
    Yeah, a very funny and clownish comment ... unless you actually lost a wedding at the film lab ... or worse yet, a dead CF card. Then it's not even slightly funny ... especially not funny to the Bride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Yeah, a very funny and clownish comment ... unless you actually lost a wedding at the film lab ... or worse yet, a dead CF card. Then it's not even slightly funny ... especially not funny to the Bride.
    Your comments are starting to be more appropriate at DPR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    .....unless you actually lost a wedding at the film lab ... or worse yet, a dead CF card. Then it's not even slightly funny ... especially not funny to the Bride.
    Leaving aside film, have you ever lost images that were not recoverable?.
    Just wondering if it's fear or practical experience, if so was it hardware failure or user error?.
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    Hi Everyone

    I asked the origingal question about the ability of the A900 to record to both cards simultaneously. I fully appreciate the quality of the A900 but I think it is NOT a camera I will invest in. Backup of any description for professional wedding photographers must be grabbed with both hands.
    I would rather end this post now and not cause ill feeling amongst members regarding specific cameras and the lack of features.

    Lets concentrate on producing even GREATER images.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eoin View Post
    Leaving aside film, have you ever lost images that were not recoverable?.
    Just wondering if it's fear or practical experience, if so was it hardware failure or user error?.
    Yes. I have lost images to a faulty card more than once. One was a total loss of a 2 gig of unknown reason, the other due to a corrupt file and the card was partially recoverable. One of my shooting associates lost an entire 8 gig card of images for reasons we could not figure out. Lexar couldn't recover it either, and had no answers as to why the failure happened. It was all the images of the actual ceremony and was not repeatable.

    This isn't a wedding forum, but the question was specific to wedding work and is a serious topic often discussed on wedding forums. Losing some vacation photos is one thing, losing someones wedding images is another IMO.

    Barely a week goes by that some person doesn't ask for help on some wedding forum. In fact a technically astute wedding shooter named Bob Bernardo on the p.net wedding forum has made a side business of trying to recover lost weddings from corrupt cards, or user error. e-mail him if you would like an ear full on card failures. BTW, he uses 2 dual card Canons for his wedding work, if that tells you anything.

    It doesn't just protect you from actual card failure, but also in the image processing chain afterwards. When returning from a wedding I set aside the back-up cards and download the others. Failure of a reader or a hard drive or any other hardware clitch, not to mention some stupid user processing error is protected against because I always have the key shots on a second card until I get the files onto multiple drives and the images on a gold archival DVD and in the hands of the client.

    Someone did an in-depth study of what can happen and why ... including photos of some shoddy workmanship of so-called Brand names. I'll try to locate that article and post a link.

    Then there is the issue of cheap counterfit cards flooding the market.

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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    Your comments are starting to be more appropriate at DPR.
    What did you expect sir? In an effort to be publicly clever, you made inappropriately snide, sarcastic and disingenuous remarks obviously ridiculing what is clearly a serious issue for some of us ... including the original poster of this thread.

    I did offer a solution supporting the A900 as part of the wedding kit, which at least was a positive approach supporting the brand ... an excellent but not perfect image maker for the specific application that the OP directly referred to.

    There is a reason the top pro spec DSLR cameras have dual card abilities ... and now some of the newer pro-sumer cameras are including that ability. The companies are doing this for no reason what-so-ever?

    You may not see the need, but some of us do. At least respect that preference without ridiculing it.

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    Wow, I didn't even imagine that my post will be considered as clownish, snide, sarcastic and disingenuous.

    I apologize for my totally tasteless and offensive post.

    Next time I will think twice before trying to be funny
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    Wow, I didn't even imagine that my post will be considered as clownish, snide, sarcastic and disingenuous.

    I apologize for my totally tasteless and offensive post.

    Next time I will think twice before trying to be funny
    And I apologize for snapping at you ... I'm in a particularly focused mood on this subject since my second shooter lost some 5D images to a faulty reader for a wedding we shot Sunday. We recovered most of them, but the reader is history.

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    No worries. Just miscommunication.
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    Marc, you sure seem to have had your share or been involved in cases where cards/readers seem to have been the issue. Loosing the ceremony is a nightmare situation I would not like to experience.

    Like I said in my earlier post, of this is your bread & butter work, your reputation is on the line and you need all the protection you can get with redundancy. Be it 2nd camera or dual write function, one can't afford to be complacent.

    But I still wonder what gives, I shoot a lot of images every month, cards and readers are and always have been Sandisk, all genuine and never had any issues from series 1 through to current 40mb series 4. I always just simply format them in camera and never delete images during shooting or after import.

    Light, good luck with your choice, what ever you decide on. Don't worry about us here, we all genuinely do get along 100% of the time
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    FWIW, A900 shooters may want to stay away from the 133x (and slow) Transcend 16GB card. I used it with no issue on the A700, but every once in a while it locks up on the A900. I've heard of a couple of others have the same issue.

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    When in Iceland last week I lost a full MS card. Not clear if it was user error or camera error but bought the software to recover the 213 images and did get them back.

    Using CF and filled it. Was in a rush so switched to MS. Ran out of space on the MS. Changed CF and reformatted the new card. When I got back my two CF cards were good but the MS didn't have images. I can't be sure that the camera didn't do the format on the MS but it was really pretty strange. Glad I was able to recover everything. Glad I'm not a wedding shooter but life would be better for you guys if both cards were mirroring the images.

    Just an FYI a fast CF card is much faster than the fastest MS card. I never fill the buffer with CF and with MS I have to wait after 5 quick shots.

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    Well done Edward - Marc - sometimes intended humour doesn't work, nice to see it resolved so nicely.

    I was shooting a wedding in Holland a few weeks ago - all the ceremony shots were on a digital M. right at the end I was chimping and it came up with 'card read error' -scrolling back all I could see were the file names.

    I had time to nip back to the hotel before the reception and had a cold shower whilst the images downloaded . . . they were all fine, but I don't want to go through that again.

    You can't protect yourself against everything, and of course, if you have a camera fault it could be writing garbage to both cards. There isn't a perfect solution, but covering one's backside is a special requirement at weddings!

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    FWIW, A900 shooters may want to stay away from the 133x (and slow) Transcend 16GB card. I used it with no issue on the A700, but every once in a while it locks up on the A900. I've heard of a couple of others have the same issue.
    I'd second that - changed to Kingston 266X 8GB and no further problems.
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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    I echo Jono's remarks as Marc and Edward you both contribute greatly to the enjoyment of this forum and long may that continue.

    I am just pleased that I am not a wedding photographer........or even have to earn a living any more!

    I have shot weddings, one last year in Cyprus and the another a couple of years ago in Gibraltar....both were relatives and I was asked to do it as a favour..........talk about stress!

    In fact it was the Cyprus one that prompted me to research alternatives to my Leica R9/DMR.........I definitely needed AF by then as I couldn't MF quickly enough! My 5 Mpx D2 AF back up was quickly brought into action a few times I can tell you. So the A900 came quickly into my "stable" and I am so pleased that it did!

    I take my hat off to you wedding photographers, it's a tough call.
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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    When in Iceland last week I lost a full MS card. Not clear if it was user error or camera error but bought the software to recover the 213 images and did get them back.

    Using CF and filled it. Was in a rush so switched to MS. Ran out of space on the MS. Changed CF and reformatted the new card. When I got back my two CF cards were good but the MS didn't have images. I can't be sure that the camera didn't do the format on the MS but it was really pretty strange. Glad I was able to recover everything. Glad I'm not a wedding shooter but life would be better for you guys if both cards were mirroring the images.

    Just an FYI a fast CF card is much faster than the fastest MS card. I never fill the buffer with CF and with MS I have to wait after 5 quick shots.
    Yeah, not all MS cards are created equal in terms of speed:

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7869

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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post

    I take my hat off to you wedding photographers, it's a tough call.
    Hi there
    as you know, I'm not a 'real' photographer at all
    I've done 5 weddings in the last year, and I used to find them REALLY REALLY stressful . . . but after a while the exhibitionism needed plus the adrenalin takes over from the stress, and it starts to be a really fun experience.

    I'm sure that Marc would agree - there aren't many things you can do which make you part of a really important part of someone's life (midwife perhaps). It's a privilege, and if it comes out good then it's really satisfying.

    Here is a master at work (not me, but the pro at a wedding I went to recently)







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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    "But I still wonder what gives, I shoot a lot of images every month, cards and readers are and always have been Sandisk, all genuine and never had any issues from series 1 through to current 40mb series 4. I always just simply format them in camera and never delete images during shooting or after import.


    Depends on what you call "a lot" and under what kind of pressure. Eventualy the math can catch up with you. 10 years and tens of thousands of images where not one failure can happen can be pretty long odds against you that nothing will happen along the imaging path.

    Basically, you never have any issues ... until you do.

    Card failure is probably pretty rare if you buy top brands from a reputable retailer and treat them right. User error is most likely more common especially under pressure. Hardware failure can and does happen.

    Some people swap smaller cards frequently to avoid having all the wedding images lost ... but swapping cards under pressure is one of the potential places for error. Having a dual card camera with two 16 gig Extreme IVs basically eliminates the eggs in one basket, and any need to change cards.

    Then there is the cost of insurance if all else fails

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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Well done Edward - Marc - sometimes intended humour doesn't work, nice to see it resolved so nicely.

    I was shooting a wedding in Holland a few weeks ago - all the ceremony shots were on a digital M. right at the end I was chimping and it came up with 'card read error' -scrolling back all I could see were the file names.

    I had time to nip back to the hotel before the reception and had a cold shower whilst the images downloaded . . . they were all fine, but I don't want to go through that again.

    You can't protect yourself against everything, and of course, if you have a camera fault it could be writing garbage to both cards. There isn't a perfect solution, but covering one's backside is a special requirement at weddings!
    I know the feeling. I once went to open a wedding file folder I had downloaded from a CF and there was nothing there. Put the card back into the camera ... no images! None! After the panic attack subsided, I jumped through hoops looking for the shots somewhere, anywhere on my computer. Nothing. Even opened the trash. No love.

    Later I restarted my computer and didn't realize I had left the CF in the reader ... during start-up my old virus scan was working and I noticed it scanning the camera files. I opened the CF card and then looked in the trash and there they were. Somehow, all the images had been deleted ... probably user error but darned if I remember doing anything of the sort.

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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Something that hasn't come up in this discussion yet, but should -- you should occasionally perform a "full" format on your cards using a computer -- deselect the "Quick Format" option. Doing so will force an examination of all blocks on the storage device and mark any bad blocks so they don't get used for data. You should do this periodically regardless of whatever redundancies you have built into your "system"("system" here means everything from hardware to processes & procedures).

    I do think about storage a lot, since I work for a storage company. If you value your data, find a way to fit the above into your process.
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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Anderson View Post
    Something that hasn't come up in this discussion yet, but should -- you should occasionally perform a "full" format on your cards using a computer -- deselect the "Quick Format" option. Doing so will force an examination of all blocks on the storage device and mark any bad blocks so they don't get used for data. You should do this periodically regardless of whatever redundancies you have built into your "system"("system" here means everything from hardware to processes & procedures).

    I do think about storage a lot, since I work for a storage company. If you value your data, find a way to fit the above into your process.
    It should be added that after you clean a card like that, also reformat it in the camera before using.

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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    It should be added that after you clean a card like that, also reformat it in the camera before using.
    If that makes you feel better, then yes, absolutely. Whether or not it matters may vary with mfr/model.
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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Another potential card failure possibility is to change cards with the camera still switched on. It's never happened to me but I have heard of it happening to others. It is very easy to do this in the middle of a shoot paarticularly with the a900.
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    Re: A900 Reasons not to purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Another potential card failure possibility is to change cards with the camera still switched on. It's never happened to me but I have heard of it happening to others. It is very easy to do this in the middle of a shoot particularly with the a900.
    Easy to do with the 5D also. The side mount type card slots without safety button are vulnerable to being accidently opened during a shoot.

    The way the dual card cameras are designed you can accidently remove the card with the camera still on, but not both cards. You have to remove them one at a time. When I've done that (which is easy to do after 7 hours of continuous shooting under pressure), I immediately replace both cards with fresh ones to preserve the good one.

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    Agreed.But i think it is easy to handle,isn't it?

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