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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    The "Event ID" is what you get when you initiate the process via the web form. It was late at night, I really wasn't in the mood to talk to someone in an overseas call center so that's why I went that route.

    Hopefully there is no next time... but if there is I will call during regular US business hours.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    An update -- My camera is now in the technician's hands, it arrived in their facility yesterday morning. Sony will cover overnight shipping to get it back in my hands by Thursday.



    I don't want to go into too much detail before it's on the plane back to me, but for those who may be worried about the number of people reporting similar issues, I will offer this bit of sage advice: Do NOT try to change lenses while walking over uneven ground.

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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    That conversation would have made a great stand up comedy routine.

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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Well, after a very nice and extended weekend with family, I finally have the time to thank Marc (Fotografz) for a wonderful afternoon.
    In return for a little advice in solving his A900 problem, Marc, treated me to a bit of beer, some tasty sliders, and a lot of great conversation. I couldn't have had a better time!
    While we were having coffee on the porch, I had grabbed my 70-400 for Marc to check out when some of the local wildlife paid a visit. He was able to snap a quicky of this little guy before it disappeared into the brush.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by dbogdan View Post
    Well, after a very nice and extended weekend with family, I finally have the time to thank Marc (Fotografz) for a wonderful afternoon.
    In return for a little advice in solving his A900 problem, Marc, treated me to a bit of beer, some tasty sliders, and a lot of great conversation. I couldn't have had a better time!
    While we were having coffee on the porch, I had grabbed my 70-400 for Marc to check out when some of the local wildlife paid a visit. He was able to snap a quicky of this little guy before it disappeared into the brush.
    It DID disappear into the brush! I pulled the URL out from your post with the quote function and fixed it. Nice image, looks like there was no chance for a second shot!
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Er... I thought I fixed it. Oh well.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    It seems Pbase does not like its subscribers to link their images to other sites. I will cancel my subscription with them.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    lets try this

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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Well, the camera did not arrive as expected due to a backordered part. I called them today, it's fixed and will ship out tomorrow to arrive Wednesday. None too soon, I've been experiencing withdrawals.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    The camera arrived last Wednesday as promised. All appeared to be well until I noticed one of the display elements inside the VF is not illuminating.

    It took me a while to notice it, as it's only noticeable when the leftmost shutter speed digit is a 4, 5, 6, or 8, much faster than I had been shooting.

    Back to Laredo.

    This could be a huge PITA, I was planning to leave on a trip with it on the 14th.
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    What a disappointment !!!! Sorry to hear about that Dave.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Oh well. Thanks Ed. I'll talk to Sony Monday and see what can be done. It seems to be perfectly fine otherwise. After this upcoming SoCal tip, I may be going out to the east coast for work, the last week of the month. If there is any doubt about getting it back by the 13th I'll probably send it in first week of November.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    An update -- I figured out the real reason I didn't notice it earlier(and probably why QA missed it), it's intermittent. I went out to set up for a full moon shot that never materialized due to cloud cover, and while I was fooling around everything was working fine. Brought it inside to try with the lens where I first saw the problem, it was fine. Switched back to the 500, problem reappears. Switch lenses again, problem is still there. It seems to have nothing to do with the lens or how the body is carrying weight on the tripod, it's acting like a loose internal connection .

    Looking in the repair manual I'm pretty certain it's the IF-161 flexible circuit, which comes as an assembly with the finder LCD. If it's not a correctable issue with the connection to the motherboard it will probably have to be replaced. It appears to be having issues with different segments at different times as well. Since it's intermittent I took a pic with the P&S that I will send in with the camera to illustrate the problem.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Just got off the horn with Laredo, they are going to email me an overnight label and they think they may have it back to me by Friday. I asked and the VF LCD is currently in stock.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    These intermittent faults are the worst. BTW where did you get the repair manual from?
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    I picked up the manual here for about $10.

    Yes, intermittent problems suck. That's why I took a pic, I don't want them to get it, not see the problem, and send it back unchanged.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Many thanks Dave, that is useful to know.
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    Re: A900 total failure... NOT!

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post

    You have GOT TO LOVE THIS forum !!!!!!!


    First, a very generous member PMs me and offers to loan me his A900 if I was in a jam ... and then this fellow dbogdan simply solves the problem.

    Never experienced such an odd thing, so I would never have thought to do it. Looked at the aperture lever and it was firmly up at the top 2:30 position ... but I moved it all the way down and back up again ... and it worked !!!

    Thank You!
    I don't know what web search I was doing that brought me to this forum - but after reading this thread and seeing the true "community" of Sony owners here - I signed up!

    Thanks!

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    Welcome to the club, Karen
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    HI Karen
    Welcome - that's a fine website you have.

    Lot's of good people around here . . . most of them seem to be called Dave Anderson

    Just this guy you know

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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Jono, I resemble that remark!

    Welcome, Karen!

    An update: my camera is in the hands of a "specialist" rather than the usual techs. I take this to mean they have at least two tiers of repair tech and they saw fit to bump this repair to the higher tier, either because of the intermittent nature of the problem, because they want to make doubly sure they don't ship it back with another problem, or a combination of the two. And no, it hasn't shipped back to me yet. I told them I need to leave town Wednesday with camera in hand, but of course they won't promise anything.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Another update. My camera arrived about an hour ago. This time there appeared to be no replacement parts related to the problem, so my speculation that it was a loose connection seems to have been spot-on. I put a note asking that they see if they could polish out a scratch in the LCD, and they replaced the LCD window(the outer cover over the LCD). They also seem to have discovered a problem with the eye piece frame(contains eyepiece shutter & diopter adj.) that I was unaware of, and replaced that. I have a Giottos LCD protector that is getting installed first thing tonight.

    I only had time to reset some of the menu items back the way I wanted and take a few test shots, but all appears to be well at this point. Through the course of these repairs apparently they did not do anything to affect the AF micro adjust, it's still spot on with the two lenses I had time to try -- though both times they turned micro adjust off. I'll run it through some more paces tonight.

    To satisfy any morbid curiosity, here is the parts list -- I was able to find all but one P/N in the repair manual.

    First repair:
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    I guess the morale of this story is, cameras don't like to change hands. As far as I'm concerned, women and cameras (and especially lenses) are never to be lent
    What a piggish thing to say! Very patriarchal. Women are not to be lent?! As the old t-shirt says: A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. I'm sorry about the Sony failure. I'm glad I'm not a professional photographer. I read about shooting weddings and I think "I'm glad I don't have to do that." The only wedding I've been at for about forty years was my own, and that was the biggest mistake I ever made. It has always been the fine art aspect of photography that interested me. Aperture monographs and such are very inspiring to me. Minor White was the best in my opinion.

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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theresa View Post
    What a piggish thing to say! Very patriarchal. Women are not to be lent?! As the old t-shirt says: A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. I'm sorry about the Sony failure. I'm glad I'm not a professional photographer. I read about shooting weddings and I think "I'm glad I don't have to do that." The only wedding I've been at for about forty years was my own, and that was the biggest mistake I ever made. It has always been the fine art aspect of photography that interested me. Aperture monographs and such are very inspiring to me. Minor White was the best in my opinion.




    FWIW, my camera has been fine since the last repair...
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    More to the story...

    Started having the exact same problem today, on about pic 245 of 317 I took today. I was using 5 FPS a lot today, shutter speeds ranging from 1/800 to 1/4000, mostly around 1/1000 to 1/2000... other than that no unusual treatment. I started off with my 80-200, shot most of the day with the 500, though I put the 28-135 on for a few shots later in the day. The 28-135 shots show the exact same artifact. Camera has never been dropped or banged. Suddenly my pictures started looking like this:



    When I returned home I looked at the sensor using cleaning mode, it looked fine except for some dust on the sensor. No surprise, since I had not cleaned the sensor since the camera was returned from repair last October. I took a shot indoors of a blank wall, and the issue did not show up at 1/4 sec. shutter speed. I felt that ruled out the sensor since a problem there ought to manifest at any reasonable shutter speed. I used MLU to get a look at the shutter, and I found a big fat clue as to why this is happening.



    I can't explain how this causes the artifact in the image, but the arc on the front of the shutter leaf looks like the same sort of arc that appears in the image. Strange that the artifact goes all the way across the image, but I don't see how this defect on the edge of the shutter leaf could affect the whole frame top to bottom.

    Doesn't matter, it's still on warranty so it's going back.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Well, Dave, sorry to hear about this trouble again. That looks like a broken shutter to me. Luckily it didn't scratch the sensor cover. How many frames did you shoot so far with it. I guess the A900 shutter has been tested for 100,000 actuations if I'm not mistaken (or was it 150,000?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen E View Post
    I don't know what web search I was doing that brought me to this forum - but after reading this thread and seeing the true "community" of Sony owners here - I signed up!

    Thanks!
    Glad to see another woman. There are very few of us in the online Sony communities and I think if there were more of us there would be less negativity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Anderson View Post
    but I don't see how this defect on the edge of the shutter leaf could affect the whole frame top to bottom.
    I guess the Sony specialist did not either...I mean really how could they have missed THIS?

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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Ed, to my mind, the shutter is essentially new. I just passed the 3,000 mark this weekend, though I guess it's probably a couple hundred more due to use of Intelligent Preview. I have used the camera very lightly, most of my captures were slow,deliberate setups. I have not been shooting much due to demands on my free time for photography alternating with stretches of horrible weather. This is the most I have ever shot in one session.

    Bob, my best guess is that this happened(some small defect introduced which became worse until finally causing a visible issue this weekend) on one of the camera's previous trips through repair. I am embarrassed to say I have only managed about 1200 captures since the last repair. I have cleaned the sensor twice since I bought the camera, both times with a gentle blower; I never touched anything behind the mirror.

    There was one point during shooting when the shutter inexplicably failed to release; I cycled power and everything seemed fine. That was late in the day so that may have been the moment when something hung up and broke; I'm guessing there is a light leak that would be visible if I could look from behind as with a film cam.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Dave,

    It would appear you have a "cursed" camera. Perhaps when you recieve the camera back from repair, you should drop by your local shaman for an excercism. ;-)

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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Only 3K!

    I am near 9K and I consider myself a deliberate shooter

    As you say, one of the repair technicians must have touched the shutter because I don't think this could happen on its own. Good luck and please do let us know what happens.
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    Hi Dave,

    It's an interesting effect coming from your shutter blade. It's a good thing it showed up in the photos -- now you are aware of it and can have it fixed. I'm sorry to hear that you have to hassle this and hope it gets resolved soon. Keep us posted.

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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Graham, I'll be burning sage, incense, and a few other things when I get it back. Maybe I should build a pyramid case for it...

    Ed, I'm hoping that's typical -- I haven't been getting out much, I had just resolved to change this whwen the camera acted up.

    Tony, thanks for the nice thoughts. I'm really itching to put some miles on that 135.

    I hope I get it back in time, I had just volunteered on Friday to do a shoot at work at the end of the month; we're having a big Emergency Response Team event/exercise in a building that we just vacated. Moulage, triage, fire department on hand, etc. -- I've already arranged to rent a body in case Sony takes too long.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Camera is shipping back with a new shutter, gratis. Should be here Wednesday and I'll be able to check it over and finally deflower it with the VG.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Wow, my camera is going on quite the tour... I hope it sends me some postcards, maybe takes a couple of snapshots of its vacation along the way.

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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Wow it's travelling at a speed of 50mph
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Yes, and it will be over 4,000 miles by the time it gets here. Google maps shows a 1,750 mile route by car. Anyway, it will have been tossed onto at least 6 docks by the time it gets here... I will be checking it VERY carefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Left the Nikon behind for today's wedding assignment. Took two A900s.

    Everything was fine until I went to shoot the first dance at the reception.

    Outta nowhere ... the dreaded "Camera Error".

    Reboot didn't work. Fresh battery didn't work. Different settings didn't work. Different lens didn't work. Waiting didn't work. Cooked.

    Just does a whizz-whirr sound with a sort of odd delayed shutter sound ... captures nothing and the "Error" comes up on the screen.

    I was freaked out that it may have corrupted the CF card ... but just the Error files were black ... whew!

    First camera that totally let me down at a wedding in 10 years.

    Then the second Sony flash failed on me! Just over-exposed no matter what setting I used.

    Darned lucky I had a second shooter with me.

    No second chances at a wedding.

    BIG PITA to send it all back for repairs right in the middle of my most busy time.

    Oh well ...

    -Marc
    Marc,

    this is really bad luck! But understandable. Never had any of these but I am not using my equipment as extensively as you as a pro.

    Anyway after long back and forth I have sold my Sony gear. Not happy with the whole handling of the A900, neither too much with the IQ and colors, especially at higher ISO.

    Going back to Nikon now. Not that all these failures could not also happen with Nikon, but I feel much more comfortable with the whole system.

    Enjoy your Sony anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Anyway after long back and forth I have sold my Sony gear. Not happy with the whole handling of the A900, neither too much with the IQ and colors, especially at higher ISO.

    Going back to Nikon now. Not that all these failures could not also happen with Nikon, but I feel much more comfortable with the whole system.
    I enjoy my A850 very much, or at least I did until the end of last December. Since then I have not had an opportunity to shoot seriously with the camera even once. Sony finally told me they would refund me my $1600 for the CZ 24-70/2.8 and I sent them the invoice for it on February 19'th. Today after work when I saw that the check still hadn't arrived, well I was more than a little angry.

    As of today I don't know if I'm going to try to buy a Minolta 35/2 or sell my A850 -- I'm literally on the fence about this. If I win the auction on the too-hard-to-get prime, I'm going to stick with Sony for awhile longer. If I lose the auction and I'm still waiting for the refund check, the camera is going on the auction block.

    As for Nikon, well I'm upset with them too. I'm still waiting for a lower priced version of the D3x sensor. I don't think Nikon is going to come through anytime soon, so I think I'll just focus on training for a 200 mile bike ride I'm planning on this summer and maybe by next fall one of these two companies will come through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Marc,

    this is really bad luck! But understandable. Never had any of these but I am not using my equipment as extensively as you as a pro.

    Anyway after long back and forth I have sold my Sony gear. Not happy with the whole handling of the A900, neither too much with the IQ and colors, especially at higher ISO.

    Going back to Nikon now. Not that all these failures could not also happen with Nikon, but I feel much more comfortable with the whole system.

    Enjoy your Sony anyway
    Marc's camera failure is old news... from the following I gather that Marc has found his Sony gear satisfactory enough to have sold off his Nikon gear:

    Sony The One and Only

    Article with Sony reviewed for weddings

    Cameras are complex machines. They break. They aren't supposed to but they do. What matters is what you can get out of them when they're working right.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Beach View Post
    I enjoy my A850 very much, or at least I did until the end of last December. Since then I have not had an opportunity to shoot seriously with the camera even once. Sony finally told me they would refund me my $1600 for the CZ 24-70/2.8 and I sent them the invoice for it on February 19'th. Today after work when I saw that the check still hadn't arrived, well I was more than a little angry.

    As of today I don't know if I'm going to try to buy a Minolta 35/2 or sell my A850 -- I'm literally on the fence about this. If I win the auction on the too-hard-to-get prime, I'm going to stick with Sony for awhile longer. If I lose the auction and I'm still waiting for the refund check, the camera is going on the auction block.

    As for Nikon, well I'm upset with them too. I'm still waiting for a lower priced version of the D3x sensor. I don't think Nikon is going to come through anytime soon, so I think I'll just focus on training for a 200 mile bike ride I'm planning on this summer and maybe by next fall one of these two companies will come through.
    Tony, not getting any use out of that 24mm?
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    Tony, not getting any use out of that 24mm?
    Hi Dave,

    It's a stopgap, something to hold me over until the Zeiss 24/2 can be bought. I can get similar quality files from my D300 and Nikkor 14-24/2.8 @ 15mm, which demonstrates just how good the Nikkor is and that the Minolta 24/2.8 doesn't do the A850 justice. The CZ 24-70/2.8 delivered better files from 30mm and up on the A850 than anything I could get from my D300, but the $1600 price seemed a little high for what amounted to a 30-70 lens.

    On the bright side, I'm hellbent on getting this Minolta 35/2 and have decided that the Minolta 50/2.8 macro should work well. I'm going to replace the CZ 135/1.8 I sold with a CZ 85/1.4, so along with the Sony 70-400 I think I will have a pretty good kit by October. The whole thing hinges right now on winning that Minolta 35/2, and I have budgeted a fair amount to that end.

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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    I understand, I was just teasing because you CAN use the 850 if you want. Did you look at the couple of 35/2 lenses that I pointed out on that other site?
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    So, the camera came back with a new shutter and AF motor. All of the MFA settings have been cleared out, probably should re-check since either the mount or the sensor had to be moved to get to the shutter. Everything seems to be working perfectly, so I'm a happy camper at this point.

    I finally mounted up the VG -- which I've had for a week -- very nice setup. I could see it's a nice piece of hardware, but I hadn't handled a Sony FF with VG before so I was itching to get it on the camera. I have an event on the 31st that I will be shooting with it, so I have a bit of time to get used to it.

    Now that I've handled the whole assembly a bit I can see that my initial thoughts about wanting to use it only for certain types of shooting were spot-on. I'm really glad the grip wasn't integrated into the body, the camera feels much more nimble without it for tripod work.
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Anderson View Post
    Marc's camera failure is old news... from the following I gather that Marc has found his Sony gear satisfactory enough to have sold off his Nikon gear:

    Sony The One and Only

    Article with Sony reviewed for weddings

    Cameras are complex machines. They break. They aren't supposed to but they do. What matters is what you can get out of them when they're working right.
    Not only is it "old news", it never needed service. It was promptly corrected by a forum member. In the rush of a wedding shoot, I slightly mis-mounted the lens and the little lever thingy was out of place when I re-mounted.

    As far as Canon/Nikon/Sony is concerned ... not only owned them all (and I mean "ALL"), shot thousands of photos with all (such is the nature of wedding photography). ALL are fully capable and it's just preference. Personally I liked all of them. If I could afford it, I'd own them ALL at the same time, and at times did use at least two systems at the same time ... still had Canon as I started to evolve to Nikon ... still owned Nikon as I evolved to Sony.

    NEVER had an operational issue using two different DSLR systems together. I also often shoot with a Sony DSLR, a M9, and a Hassey MFD at the same shoot. Trust me, different 35mm DSLRs are far less different in operation than that combination of systems ... so I don't agree with Peter on that subject at all.

    In the end, I selected Sony for some very basic reasons related directly to my work needs, not internet posturing, purchase justifications and manufacturer hype. I use a simple technique to determine real needs rather than speculative ones. I open various folders of 600 to 800 wedding shots, read the Exif info in CS4 Bridge and see what ISOs and focal lengths, etc. I'm really using ... not what I think I'm using. Very revealing, try it sometime.

    This exercise revealed that: I rarely used over ISO 1000 even with a D3 or D700, which the Sony A900 is fully able to do IF you know how to expose properly. Another revealing example was that while I have an expensive 70-200/2.8G, it's the least used lens in the kit, and mostly it's my assistant using it for shots from the church balcony.

    I also study work flow carefully because 500 to 800 shots a weekend is a lot of post processing. The Sony files simply were the best right out of the camera bar none. In my direct experience the Nikon D3X files took the longest to process. Liked the D3X end results, hated the post processing getting there. So, again, I disagree completely with Peter on the subject of color.

    No Canon IS or Nikon VR lenses for ANY of the key focal lengths used for most of my work (especially my heavily used 85 and 135 focal lengths common to all three makers), where ALL of them are stabilized on the Sony.

    A900 was about 1/3 the price of the D3X for the same FF high meg sensor ... serious consideration when I have to have at least two of everything for my work: $15,000. verses $5,500. (if it were today, it'd be even less because the second Sony would be an A850).

    If the Zeiss 24/2 is reasonably priced I'll get it ... because my Exif info tells me I use the 24-70 @ 24mm about 40% of the time, and a smaller lens with a bit more light gathering ability for dragging the shutter in a dark church or reception room will be welcome.

    It all comes down to usage ... real world usage personalized specifically to you. So, no one can say definitively one is better than the other, just better for you. In my case, it was clearly ... Sony, The One and Only

    -Marc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Anderson View Post
    Marc's camera failure is old news... from the following I gather that Marc has found his Sony gear satisfactory enough to have sold off his Nikon gear:

    Sony The One and Only

    Article with Sony reviewed for weddings

    Cameras are complex machines. They break. They aren't supposed to but they do. What matters is what you can get out of them when they're working right.
    Hey Dave!

    This is all perfectly fine! Every system can have breaking elements and then this usually results in more or less issues. Sony's can break, Nikon's can break and all the others as well!

    I do not need any confirmation that I switched back to Nikon or should have stayed with Sony or what else. I have totally different needs for a DSLR system than Marc or you might have, so my decision is based on these needs - nothing else.

    OK?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Hey Dave!

    This is all perfectly fine! Every system can have breaking elements and then this usually results in more or less issues. Sony's can break, Nikon's can break and all the others as well!

    I do not need any confirmation that I switched back to Nikon or should have stayed with Sony or what else. I have totally different needs for a DSLR system than Marc or you might have, so my decision is based on these needs - nothing else.

    OK?

    Thanks!
    I am not in any way questioning your needs or your decisions with respect to gear. I care less than a fart in a hurricane what you buy. What I am questioning is your pushing of Nikon and Canon gear in the Sony forum, especially on the CZ 24/2 thread. Your post #88 in this thread looked just a bit condescending, especially when viewed in the context of your posts the other aforementioned thread.

    To put it into context for you, do you think it would be helpful for me to go into the Canon/Nikon forums and talk about how I never even came close to having a single neuron in my brain fire in favor of even looking at Canon/Nikon for my first DSLR? About how I didn't need to read a single review or touch a single lens to know they would not suit me? Do you think such musings would be welcome there? We can have that discussion if you like but I wouldn't dream of doing so in the Canikon forums. It would be far off-topic.

    For me the bottom line is, GetDPI is supposed to be a place where adults come to have constructive conversations and the comments I have pointed out do not seem constructive IMHO.

    OK?

    Thanks!
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    Re: FYI: A900 total failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Hey Dave!

    This is all perfectly fine! Every system can have breaking elements and then this usually results in more or less issues. Sony's can break, Nikon's can break and all the others as well!

    I do not need any confirmation that I switched back to Nikon or should have stayed with Sony or what else. I have totally different needs for a DSLR system than Marc or you might have, so my decision is based on these needs - nothing else.

    OK?

    Thanks!
    Then why are you here on the Sony forum if Nikon cranks your engine? What purpose do condescending posts serve other than to create ill will?

    Just curious as to your motivation.

    -Marc

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    I think Ptomsu is advocating that, since he sold his Sony gear, we should all follow suit and the Sony forum should be removed
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    Thanks for that earlier post Marc. My intuitions have been confirmed by your experience. My thinking is that 90% of my event/people needs would be served using the Zeiss 24/2 and 85/1.4 on the A850.

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