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    OK, Arizona folks

    Time to weigh in and tell me just how great it would be to live out there...

    Husband and I are considering dual job offers at the U of A, jobs for 2 academics are as scarce as hen's teeth these days, so we are seriously considering the move from NYC to Tucson.

    I'm from SoCal originally and we love vacationing in the Southwest, sure will be easier to visit the parks without the near cross-country drive...

    Anyone else do something wild like this?

    I'm still getting used to the idea....

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    We bought our home in 2001 and moved here fulltime 2004. While we travel extensively we always come home to Tucson. We actually feel we're home once we spot the first saguaro.

    The summers take a little getting used to however the area is a great place to live.

    My suggestion is simple - go for it!

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    I lived in NYC for more than 20 years (in SF now) and through most of that time also had a home in Arizona. The lifestyle is quite nice in AZ. Not sure where you live in NYC but just being able to to come home from work sit outside, BBQ dinner, etc. is a very nice change of pace. Summers are hot but that is when you get away (not sure of teaching schedule).

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    NYC can be intoxicating in a way that will make other smaller places seem a bit limiting. But that is intoxication, after all. Been here since '81, Oregon before that. Can't seem to escape.
    Be prepared for a completely different political climate, and of course, you will probably start carrying.
    Good luck

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    I have been here 35 years and lets just say my wife and i would move to NYC in a NY minute. LOL

    She was born here and i am a import from NJ. Don't get me wrong it is a wonderful exciting state with lots of amazing places to go and shoot actually with a very nice culture. Its the west and it is still pretty dang wild and as John said our politics are certainly different and IMHO not any better either. I'm a little sour on that note but hey we always had a very DIFFERENT governor than anyone else, so what else is new. Yes that was a snide remark. I'm very non political too if you can believe that after that remark. LOL

    Welcome to the West and Tucson is actually a great place to hang out . I spent 8 years there and did enjoy the more laid back attitude. Its also visually more appealing than Phoenix via the desert.
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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    Tucson and Phoenix are only 100 miles apart by distance yet further in many ways. Tucson just reached 1 million about a year ago while Phoenix did that years ago. The Phoenix area has always reminded me of Los Angeles which is not always a good thing either.


    • The Tucson area normally is 5 to 10 degrees cooler than the Phoenix area.
    • The South Rim of the Grand Canyon is a 5 hr drive
    • Sedona is about 3 hrs
    • North Rim is about 7 hrs
    • Page AZ is less than 8 hrs where you'll find the Goose Neck, Slot Canyons and Lake Powell.
    • Going a slightly different direction and less than 7 hrs will get you Monument Valley and Valley of the Gods.
    • And Moab is about 9 hrs away.
    Of course the more GetDpi folks that move to the Tucson/Phoenix area the better chances we can start get-togethers like Jack does in the Bay area.

    Can't forget about the sunrises or sunsets here either.

    All the about was offered from a landscape photographers view. Tucson is also rich in culture and the cost of living isn't all that bad either.

    We did 14 very long years in Chicago before fleeing here and wish we had done it sooner.

    Best of luck in your decision!


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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    Only an American would write 'just 9 hours away'
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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Only an American would write 'just 9 hours away'
    HI Ben - just what I was thinking . . . . . . I live in Suffolk, Geneva is 'just 9 hours away'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Only an American would write 'just 9 hours away'

    Ben - In the west and southwestern US we tend to judge distance in time of travel versus the distance. Yeah, we're odd that way
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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    a large part of the attraction of the southwest is those long distances and vast panoramas linked only by a dirt road

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    Ben - In the west and southwestern US we tend to judge distance in time of travel versus the distance. Yeah, we're odd that way
    Hi Don - I don't think he was concerned about the hours bit, but the just bit and the 9 bit!
    Time is a sensible way to judge distance . . . . (at least I think so), but considering a 9 hour drive to be close is a bit of a strange concept!

    all the best . . . the sun is shining here and it's about to be the weekend - hooray!

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    Well on the flip side that 9hour drive from Tucson is about a 40 hour drive from NYC.

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    Plus a few stops. When I was much younger 35 years ago when i drove out here from NJ it was a non stop drive. Two drivers of course but felt like a road race. Never drove back either and never will. LOL
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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    AZ is very different from NY/C.

    if you are social, your association types will change. If your politics are conservative, then you will find more friends.. if not, there's always golf, or, landscape photography.

    There is plenty of land, but no one walks. The car is essssssential !

    I say this as a frequent visitor to AZ and a new resident of TX, which has even greater tendency to right turn only signs. Too bad I'm so used to driving on the left.

    best of luck.

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    I knew this was the right place to ask!

    And I don't know, Guy -- I kind of suspected you might be a tri-state guy. There is no doubt that yanking me out of New York (we live in Lower Westchester, about 30 mins from Manhattan) after almost 30 years and my husband (50 years) is a tough part of the decision. We love NYC and go downtown often, but I remain a westerner at heart (my father grew up in Phoenix) and these types of job offers are so rare that we had to take them very seriously.

    The "hours to destinations" is a key parameter -- we used to have more time in the summers to hitch up our trailer and drag the kids and the dogs out west for 3-4 weeks, but that has been harder of late. Probably the first tip-off to the fact that we may not be "regular" New York City types is that we actually own an RV and a diesel pickup truck.... The ability to take off on a 4-day weekend and pick some of our favorite destinations is pretty enticing as compared to having to build our entire summer around getting the time off.

    It's funny but the photographic opportunities are definitely part of the allure -- I have vascular problems that preclude photography for most of the Winter and part of the Fall in the east and while I know I don't want to go out seriously in the summer, it feels like I might get more photography in out in AZ.

    The faculty at the U of A is "known" for it's collegiality, since most folks are transplants and don't have much family around. I find that appealing as I have never been fully comfortable with the "feel" of our NY town -- filled with very wealthy bankers and attorneys, I think the laid-back feel of Tucson might be nice. And yes, the politics, well, it's not like NY can really brag about our last 2 govs and our legislature is quite nutty. Supposedly Tucson is the most "blue" area in the state -- not saying much, but adding a couple of NY blue types can't hurt. We would be worried about the schools, BUT, this move is timed around our youngest's departure for college -- what freedom to not have to pay attention to school district!

    That's cool that you had a house in AZ, Terry -- the living outdoors lifestyle that you mention is a plus for me, and mentioned by my U of A colleagues all of the time. This was one of the hardest things for me in raising children in the East -- they are always inside, totally different for me in growing up in LA. And it took me years in NY to learn to wear socks . May have to unlearn that.

    I was just looking back to when these negotiations started last summer - lots of emails with "no way I'm moving to Tucson from NY" -- the tide is slowly turning.

    Feels like an adventure...

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    I have been considering somewhere in the area but probably not in Phoenix.
    Really I am thinking of something like a winter residence near Flagstaff or perhaps Billings, or maybe near the Flatirons.
    I just can't make up my mind LOL
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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    BTW the Uof A is a awesome school. Farthest drive time to there issube 40 minutes from the outskirts of the city. Obviously the foothills area is one of the high rent districts but Tucson has many types if neighborhoods or none at all that you may enjoy. Yes you need a car no question but it still is a city that is not overcrowded either.
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    Also Arizona as we teach workshops here is a amazing shooting venue. The whole state that is
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    iPhone spell check is the worst sorry
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Don - I don't think he was concerned about the hours bit, but the just bit and the 9 bit!
    Time is a sensible way to judge distance . . . . (at least I think so), but considering a 9 hour drive to be close is a bit of a strange concept!

    all the best . . . the sun is shining here and it's about to be the weekend - hooray!
    I figure it takes 9 hours to get to an airport, find parking and finally get through security so I'm ahead of the game by driving
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    I figure it takes 9 hours to get to an airport, find parking and finally get through security so I'm ahead of the game by driving
    Tell me about it Don - I go to Holland a lot . . . that's a 35 minute flight from here . . . . BUT that's 2 hours to the airport, 2 hours through security 30 minutes for boarding and take off, 30 minutes flight, 1 hour out of the airport 1 hour on the train 1 hour with the taxi. . . . . driving is bonkers - 400 miles, but it only takes 6 hours, is more relaxing, you can take whatever you want. leave when you want. But that's europe.

    I expect it's bollocks, but I once read that as far as greenhouse gases was concerned, it would be 'greener' if each passenger on a jumbo jet on a long haul flight had their own Range-Rover to drive the same distance.

    Anyway, I like driving, and I certainly wasn't being critical. . . . . it was just the idea that a 9 hour drive was kind of 'local'

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    Hi JCT

    Im actually moving to Tucson this summer. After going to school in NY and working this year in Chicago it will certainly be a change of pace, though very much welcomed. Im especially looking forward to all the year-round outdoor activities - biking/golf/photography/etc... -- that you just cant do in NY or Chicago.

    I was just there last week looking for a place to live. You can find a great deal these days, especially on foreclosed properties.

    Depending on what field you are in, the U of A definitely has some great resources.

    Also, there is an incredible photography center there that has all of Ansel Adam's original prints.
    http://www.creativephotography.org/

    In any case, it was this view last week that really got me excited for the drive down! (shot with iPhone)


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    LOL, Guy -- my iPhone often changes my name from Jil to "Jim" and if I'm not paying close attention I miss it. Have received some hilarious responses from colleagues over that.

    My best guess is that we would end up buying something in the Foothills with a stellar view. We currently live in a 100-yr-old home and my Manhattanite husband (he lived in apartments all of his life until we bought our house) is convinced that every creak means the house is about to "break" -- so I've agreed to go with a more modern construction. Sticking to my guns regarding a Territorial or Burnt Adobe, though. I've been told that an outdoor bar is a must by several people -- kind of amusing.

    What a coincidence, Edmund! Yikes, Chicago has been really cold this winter -- my oldest is in college there and visits have been frigid. Tucson will be a welcome change. Yes, we will likely do well with real estate as our current home's value has held and things are still low in Tucson. The folks recruiting me to U of A knew that I was an avid photographer and arranged for a private showing at the CCP when I was there -- I was blown away and the Ansel exhibit at the time was stellar.

    I will have to make a decision in the next month or so -- a bit stressful!

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    Damn, now you have got me wanting to wander; your situation sounds pretty good: go for it!

    get ready to start slowing down, dumping stress, enjoying the natural wild world around you within a few minutes drive. no more BQE, LIE, FDR, Bruckner, oh boy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    Damn, now you have got me wanting to wander; your situation sounds pretty good: go for it!

    get ready to start slowing down, dumping stress, enjoying the natural wild world around you within a few minutes drive. no more BQE, LIE, FDR, Bruckner, oh boy!

    I'm laughing-- a pothole on the Bruckner almost ate my car last week. This winter has destroyed the roads.

    It is definitely a big change -- starting to sound nice to couple my high-stress job to a low stress lifestyle.

    I'll let you guys know if we decide to go for it!

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    So, I promised to post back with a final decision.

    After nearly a year-long negotiation, we are Tucson-bound.

    Of course, NYC is having a spectacular summer such that can be tormented right up until the end, but opportunities like this arise rarely.

    Now as soon as these ENDLESS college bills go away I can indulge myself with some workshops!

    Thanks for the advice and encouragement all. Packing up all of this camera gear will be a real treat

    JT

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    Re: OK, Arizona folks

    Endless thing never end unless one is warping the sense of time.

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