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    Hitler Goes back to film

    Quentin sent me this link, I think everyone should see it:

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tnwf2RShNV0

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    Thanks, Jono (and Quentin)!

    Non stop

    Bloody brilliant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post

    Bloody brilliant!
    Agree, one of the funniest things I've seen in ages.

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    The scripting is hilarious - and the timing to the actor's movements and expressions bang on the money.

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    Wicked good!

    "There, there, I hear he only shoots JPEG." Ha!

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    Re: Hitler Goes back to film

    Classic

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    Re: Hitler Goes back to film

    the ken rockwell line was the best!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    Wicked good!

    "There, there, I hear he only shoots JPEG." Ha!
    The whole thing is brilliant, but that line was so great.

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    Re: Hitler Goes back to film

    Admin Note: Moved this to the Sunset Bar which is where it really belongs, and note there are now three threads here with this link...
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    Ok Now I need Oxygen!
    The Ken Rockwell lineand the dig at Coolpix finished me off

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    Very funny clip but then I always knew Ken Rockwell was special. Who else had a left-handed SLR?

    www.kenrockwell.com/index/index2002.htm

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    Re: Hitler Goes back to film

    There you go - another nail in the coffin of that digital fad.
    It'll go away as fast as that other fad, the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Rea View Post
    Who else had a left-handed SLR?


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    Achtung! in keeping with the time and tone of this clever clip, one should not overlook the Exakta cameras that were made in Dresden and other places in Germany that did have a left-handed film advance and shutter release.

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    Yes, it is well done and funny, and yes, every disrespect for that utterly despicable dictator is allowed and even laudable.

    But still....

    I have some rudimentary understanding of German, so I watched the clip a couple of times, trying to concentrate on the spoken dialog, and was stunned. This level of actorship is very, very rare. Bruno Ganz IS Hitler; the level of understanding and enacting, empathy even, of the sinister end of one of the most evil and mentally disturbed leaders in 20th century history is absolutely incredible.

    So, in some way, I feel the clip is somewhat in disrespect of a great artist and actor. Seriously. It´s like drawing a moustache on a character in a Cartier-Bresson shot.

    I feel I have to go and try to find the original film. It must be well worth seeing.

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    Last Days is one of my favorite films. Ganz is amazing. And be sure to watch the making of on the dvd. Fascinating stuff.

    Yeah, the humor doesn't work as well if you are a German speaker (my wife is from Dusseldorf). And/or if you don't know anything about the silly digital wars.

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    This clip was also adapted with sub-titles showing Hitler taking a big hit on his mortgage and stock investments. That's the version I saw first and it's quite funny as well.

    I agree, the film was excellent.

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    The movie "Der Untergang" (Downfall) is a serious but unavoidably paradox attempt. There has been much discussion in my country, understandably, how to treat the subject responsibly, and all in all the performance is adequate. I don't like a certain didactic trait in it, but that's a minor point. Bruno Ganz' self conquest and self denial in acting H is admirable; he least of all deserves his efforts being lowered to the level of shallow amusement.

    Laughing at sb. or sth. is spontaneous and independent of moral aspects, but this means that the opportunity of laughing cannot be the highest criterion for our decisions what to acknowledge as public amusements and what to expect of others to tolerate. There are many occasions to laugh (in some respects) at the Nazis – even Hannah Arendt, observing the Eichmann trial, couldn't help laughing –, but for our decisions not the involuntary laughing but the feelings of the victims should come first. To create H a cult figure of a comedy movie clip is putting the cupidity for fun at first place and belittle other aspects. "Fun is the ultimate." seems to have become the most widespread religion now, and its adherents feel entitled to judge and justify everything by its fun value. The one-dimensional man, already reality? And H, of all people, a figure of fun in this fun orgy? "Hail Fun!"

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    Hans,

    I seriously doubt anyone is discounting what Hitler did and what it means to many people around the world.

    But if we can't all learn to laugh and have fun then we will continue to remain in the same sh*t that goes on despite the legacy of the likes of Hitler. It's a stab at people being too serious (in this case about a freaking camera) and it's the contrast and absurdity of using the likes of Hitler (who was delusional in his own way - he essentially treated the world as his own "hobby") that makes it work.

    If all serious subjects were made taboo for comedians it would be a sad world indeed.

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    The film is great. The whole thing is worth watching if you're seriously interested in the subject.

    But for true black humor, the "into the bunker" mentality of true believers - no matter what their cause - can have no better illustration than the original "Fuhrer in his bunker," can it? I think that's why this clip gets used so often. This is about the fourth of fifth time I've seen it linked to one subject or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HansAlbert View Post
    ... There are many occasions to laugh (in some respects) at the Nazis ... but for our decisions not the involuntary laughing but the feelings of the victims should come first.
    And what "victims" would those be?



    That is one of the funniest videos I have seen on YouTube. Well, that and the guy on the roof that tied himself to the tree and then his brother cuts the tree down...and the cat that gets caught in the ceiling fan...and ...

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    I don't find the clip funny. This thread disgraces this site.

    Der Untergang is a film with a serious purpose. It doesn't deserve to have passages stolen from it for the purpose of trivial entertainment. It isn't amusing to put this joke in the mouth of a personality who was responsible for death and misery on such a gigantic scale. On the contrary, it is tasteless and offensive. It trivialises what should be remembered with horror and outrage.

    If you're too young or forgetful of recent history to understand what I'm talking about, imagine the same joke put into the mouths of the 9/11 bombers. Does it still register as hilarious on your gagometer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by euston View Post
    I don't find the clip funny. This thread disgraces this site.

    Der Untergang is a film with a serious purpose. It doesn't deserve to have passages stolen from it for the purpose of trivial entertainment. It isn't amusing to put this joke in the mouth of a personality who was responsible for death and misery on such a gigantic scale. On the contrary, it is tasteless and offensive. It trivialises what should be remembered with horror and outrage.

    If you're too young or forgetful of recent history to understand what I'm talking about, imagine the same joke put into the mouths of the 9/11 bombers. Does it still register as hilarious on your gagometer?


    Yes, because I cannot find within myself that low point of unqualified selfishness that is necessary to embrace the political correctness the least significant person would impose on everyone in an attempt to mask their own short comings.

    It is unfortunate some folks forfeit the breadth of their life by becoming self-appointed guardians of political correctness. They fail to understand that with very rare exception (e.g. word play), almost all humor is derogatory toward some segment of humanity. And yet, humans are the only creatures that laugh.

    Yes, the D3x video is funny as hell. And anyone that does not think so needs to look within themselves at their own short comings as to why it is not. What you are looking for is how you are attempting to abridge the axiom:

    “You can never promote one group of people without somewhere, somehow, demoting another group of people.”

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    If you're too young or forgetful of recent history to understand what I'm talking about, imagine the same joke put into the mouths of the 9/11 bombers. Does it still register as hilarious on your gagometer?
    Quote Originally Posted by Oxide Blu View Post
    Yes, because I cannot find within myself that low point of unqualified selfishness that is necessary to embrace the political correctness the least significant person would impose on everyone in an attempt to mask their own short comings..
    You have an unconvincing line in psycho-babble. It's as meaningless as your proposition that a distaste for the trivialisation of fascist tyranny or a terrorist atrocity is no more than political correctness.

    The sad thing is that you seem to be in step with some of the other people on this forum. This isn't the kind of company I wish to keep. I dare say the feeling's mutual.

    I have been trying to find out how to de-register from this site but nobody answers my messages. Does anyone know how to get out of here? I could just go back to lurking quietly but I would prefer to be removed from the database of subscribers.

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    I am with you Euston: this inane cult of fun and trivialisation leaves me speechless — I don't want to say what I really think. Political correctness, indeed. Born in Poland during WWII and having lived through it, I find this nonsense being praised to be incomprehensible even if the people doing so have a shortage of brains.

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    Blaming GetDPI seems a bit strange, as this clip is all over the internet and didn't originate here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euston View Post
    Originally Posted by euston
    If you're too young or forgetful of recent history to understand what I'm talking about, imagine the same joke put into the mouths of the 9/11 bombers. Does it still register as hilarious on your gagometer?


    You have an unconvincing line in psycho-babble. It's as meaningless as your proposition that a distaste for the trivialisation of fascist tyranny or a terrorist atrocity is no more than political correctness.

    The sad thing is that you seem to be in step with some of the other people on this forum. This isn't the kind of company I wish to keep. I dare say the feeling's mutual.

    I have been trying to find out how to de-register from this site but nobody answers my messages. Does anyone know how to get out of here? I could just go back to lurking quietly but I would prefer to be removed from the database of subscribers.
    Sorry to say but you have never asked. Just to clarify though this link is on just about every forum out there related too and not related to photography. Be it right or wrong some find the script of it funny, I don't think anyone actually condones anything Hitler has done in anyway shape or form though. I know i certainly do not but if you take the background out of it, the script does tell a funny message about buying gear. I agree a completely sore subject of Hitler and that period in history but also for someone younger that may have missed that part of history is it really fair to judge them on there morals on something they where not close too. People have different opinions on this and every site i seen this link i have seen actually worse comments or comments that may just piss some folks off in a big way.

    Anyway you want out all you have to do is ask Jack and it will be done.


    Mitch the admins contacted you several times and you simply have never responded to us. That simple but i do see you reading the forum often and if you want out send Jack a note. But in public again some folks had to be let go of this place because of broken rules, just like any other forum you break the rules than admins have to enforce those rules. It is Jack and my job as owners to enforce those rules and may not be the most popular to some. But people think there above these rules and that is not fair to the rest of the members. Not something we enjoy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Sorry to say but you have never asked.
    Guy - I have twice asked how to leave using the contact form at
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    Does nobody see the messages sent that way? I will try contacting Jack Flesher.

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    Honestly never received this request. Send Jack a PM and he will remove you if that is what you want to do. It's your call and I don't want to try and convince you otherwise but this is all over the internet and on every forum and there is no escaping folks opinions good or bad on it. I can close the thread but honestly folks are entitled to there opinions and as long as any rules are not broken than i will not close it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Honestly never received this request. Send Jack a PM and he will remove you if that is what you want to do. It's your call and I don't want to try and convince you otherwise but this is all over the internet and on every forum and there is no escaping folks opinions good or bad on it. I can close the thread but honestly folks are entitled to there opinions and as long as any rules are not broken than i will not close it.
    Folk are entitled to their opinions as I am entitled to mine. I haven't asked you to close or remove this thread but it's interesting that doing so should have entered your mind as a possibility. In my opinion, the way that this film clip has been promoted and defended on this forum taints the reputation of your site. But I am nobody you need take account of and, if Jack does what I have asked him to do, I won't even be a subscriber to your site for much longer.

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    As the co-owner of the site we always look at threads to see what they are about at least on this site we are here everyday participating. I can't say that about many sites and in no way does this taint the reputation of this forum. If that is the case than every forum on photography is tainted because it is on every forum out there and to randomly delete a thread because it maybe not good in our opinion personally, we can't make that call for our members and would not be fair to them. Try seating in our seat , not easy at all to run a forum. We are not judge and jury here and the rule for us whatever is in the best interest for our members will win the day. So yes i have to look at threads to see if they do not break the rules and if they do there dealt with.

    Here is one rule and in this rule we specifically say what the Sunset Bar forum is about.

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    Your wish is my command --- both of your accounts have been deleted. For future reference, the easiest way to remove yourself from GetDPI is simply to leave and never post here again

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    I'd like to request of the moderators/site owners that if they ever catch me taking myself that seriously, that instead of deleting my account, they shoot me - preferably with something small caliber in the gut so that death comes slowly and painfully.

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    hey i have one of those too.
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    Okay, even funnier than the Hitler and D3X clip is...

    the Hitler and refinancing his house clip or....

    the Hitler as McCain being told he's lost the election clip or...

    Hitler losing it over trying to install Vista or...

    Well you get the idea. It's about being delusional, and who better to fill that role than Hitler going bonkers over the Russians at his door. Jeez, lighten up.

    I've visited Dachau and the Holocasut memorial in Berlin. Moving places. But I can also find these clips funny and still honor the memory of those were killed.

    And even in those places there's some humor to be found. At the Berlin memorial there's a list of dos and don'ts (so German - and I can say that because my wife is German) one of which we found absurd. That was "no barbequing" which we thought, who would do that?, until we realized that the new America Embassy was going in across the street!

    My wife got yelled at by one of the guards there for getting up on a pillar to take a photo. That really pissed her off because it's that strict adherence to rules that got them in that mess in the first place (and the guard wasn't pleasant about it). Something to think about....

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    Actually the "Hitler gets a BMW GS" is a hoot. This clip has been used to beat up on any number of cultural icons and hobbies.

    While I am sensitive to the now "guest" poster's opinion (I moderate another off-topic board), he is in some ways symptomatic of some of what is wrong in modern society. I do not think that parody such as these films are disrespectful to the memory of those who were killed. It is about humor, and humor usually has some grounding in tragedy.

    What disturbs me is in fact the attempt to scuttle "art" (broadly construed) under the guise of sensitivity and political correctness. Of course there are lines that society must draw, and they change from generation to generation. And I'm not saying that we should have a free-for-all. For instance I took offense to a video which showed video footage from an A-10 attack plane while it gunned down motorcyclists in Afghanistan. It wasn't the visuals that upset me, but rather then rock soundtrack and lyrics that trivialized the death being viewed on screen. The backstory is that the victims were Taliban and likely were very bad guys. And there is a war going on and death happens. But the background music in the video trivialized the violence being depicted and in fact glorified it.

    These Hitler videos do nothing to trivialize or glorify the Third Reich. The content has *nothing* to do with the war, the Holocaust, or anything remotely related. The footage of a hysterical Hitler (an enduring icon of a "bad guy") talking about the shortcomings of a D3x or BMW R1200GS or any other consumer product doesn't celebrate Hitlers legacy or denigrate his victims. It does make one laugh, and if anything, laughter not only helps to heal, but it also tends to give the bad guys less power over us. Life is about perception (photographers of all people should know that), and perception is changed by sound and image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Hutton View Post
    I'd like to request of the moderators/site owners that if they ever catch me taking myself that seriously, that instead of deleting my account, they shoot me - preferably with something small caliber in the gut so that death comes slowly and painfully.
    I'll do it . . . as long as you promise to return the compliment

    Well done Guy and Jack for dealing with this so calmly. I thought that the video was genuinely funny, and I struggle to see who could possibly have a right to be offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post

    These Hitler videos do nothing to trivialize or glorify the Third Reich. The content has *nothing* to do with the war, the Holocaust, or anything remotely related. The footage of a hysterical Hitler (an enduring icon of a "bad guy") talking about the shortcomings of a D3x or BMW R1200GS or any other consumer product doesn't celebrate Hitlers legacy or denigrate his victims. It does make one laugh, and if anything, laughter not only helps to heal, but it also tends to give the bad guys less power over us. Life is about perception (photographers of all people should know that), and perception is changed by sound and image.
    You put it so much better than I could - laughter heals, and getting too precious is only one step away from real censorship - please no!

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    Suppose instead of Hitler, we had a spoof of say the last days of Napoleon; would perceptions be different. If so, then why?
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    It would be great of some of you guys would post links to those Hitler spoofs, like Hitler getting a home loan or whatever.
    Thanks!

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    Re: Hitler Goes back to film

    Hitler gets a BMW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukAhlxl4hmM (warning: curse words in the subtitles)

    Hitler gets banned from World of Warcraft: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JF03i7NfIU (warning: curse words in the subtitles)

    If you do a search, you'll find a bunch. It has become part of the remix vernacular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    Suppose instead of Hitler, we had a spoof of say the last days of Napoleon; would perceptions be different. If so, then why?
    It totally depends on the lens you use to view the world. Context is everything. Part of what makes art in general and remix in particular so interesting (and offending) is that few things, if any, are sacrosanct.

    If someone took footage from United 93 (Greengrass' film about 9/11) and remixed it as a comedy, it likely would provoke a fair amount of outrage, especially for those in the US. There are a number of factors in play here, one being time from the incident, and another being the evolution of the depiction of events and people over time.

    Hitler is an interesting case because he has become iconic for his horrors, but his consistent invocation in situations where it isn't warranted (ie almost all interwebs forum arguments) has turned his image into a caricature. One could argue that the establishment of Godwin's Law has diminished the horror of the 3rd Reich, but it is what it is. Hitler was parodied back in the 40's by Warner Brothers, and it continues to this day, albeit in a different fashion.

    The time factor helps to make such references "acceptable." Plus, these remixes make fun of a universally bad guy. It is the visiting team that is getting poked. In addition the pervasive influence of American culture (for better or worse, most likely worse) sets some of the "groundrules" for remix, though interestingly enough American icons get soundly lambasted on a regular basis.

    All fascinating stuff...

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