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    The Reduction

    On getting comfortable with the M-P, I said I envisioned the goal of a lot less gear cluttering the closet by the end of the year. I meant it.

    My first round of equipment sales has been successfully completed. All but one of fifteen items sold at or above the expected value, a nice lump back in the bank after all sales fees are taken care of. Round two is up now—the GXR kit which I haven't used much since I bought the M9.

    Feels good. Less clutter, less mental weight.

    Carrying the Polaroid SX-70 today... :-)

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    I've had GAS and acquired gear, now having a F.A.R.T. (Freeing And Reduction Therapy) session getting rid of items that just clutter thinking.
    Having some $$ available will be welcome when the next grand, must have item rounds the corner.

    You carried the SX-70! I scanned some Pentax 110 film the other day...

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    I'm up to exposure six on the pack of black frame Impossible SX-70 B&W film I loaded the SX-70 with. I have a pack of round-frame 600 B&W (and the required ND filter) to go next.

    I like this pace of picture taking ... :-)

    Second round of sale listings seems to be going well. No BIN takers yet, but every item has had a decent number of views and multiple watchers now. Couple more days to go.

    Sony A7 and accessories, Leica X2 and accessories, Leica CL and accessories up next ... A couple of the R lenses that I don't use, the chrome Leicaflex SL body, maybe the Hasselblad 500CM kit too. Haven't decided about the E-PL7 yet. Yes, I really want to cut it all down to a manageable "just a little too much" rather than "gross excess" ...

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    How do you like the SX70? I was checking out all the different Mint versions and the new TL70 the other day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    How do you like the SX70? I was checking out all the different Mint versions and the new TL70 the other day.
    I love the SX-70! It's one of my all-time favorite cameras. I've owned about a dozen of them since 1973, almost all of them given to me for one reason or another. They're quirky, clumsy, weird, and delightful. A technological tour de force, the most advanced camera of its day.

    This Polaroid advertisement from about 1971 is a period piece:
    https://youtu.be/5jaiq_ZZ_eM

    Currently, I've got two SX-70s and three SX-70 Sonar AF models, and one of MiNT's re-vamped "SLR670m" cameras. The one I like the most of this lot is the one my uncle gave me ... He bought it new in 1972 and it is in pristine shape. I shoot mostly Impossible Project SX-70 B&W film with it.

    A truly unusual and wonderful camera, very different from anything else before or since... Don't get involved if you value your pocketbook ($3.50 per print) or are looking for ultra-crisp, modern photographs.


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    Cool. Thanks for that... 1971!?! That's before I was born. I had a couple of Polaroid instant cameras growing up but I can't remember the model numbers without Googling. Just remember one was black and the other was blue. I was eyeballing the Mint SLR670m for the shutter control... or the TL70.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Cool. Thanks for that... 1971!?! That's before I was born. I had a couple of Polaroid instant cameras growing up but I can't remember the model numbers without Googling. Just remember one was black and the other was blue. I was eyeballing the Mint SLR670m for the shutter control... or the TL70.
    Since I have the SLR670m, I'd have to say if I were going for one of the MiNT SX-70 derivatives again, I'd go for the SLR670a instead. The advantage of this model is that it takes the Impossible 600 film, which is a better emulsion than the SX-70 version (as well as two stops faster, ISO 600-640 approximately).

    The manual time control in the SLR670m model allows exposure adjustment in one stop increments through the range, and you're locked into f/8. That's not precise enough for best results, particularly with instant color film. The main reason for the SLR670m is access to manually controlled exposure time for long exposures as the Auto setting is much more precise for more normal lighting (and lets both aperture and exposure time work together). The SLR670m metering is calibrated for SX-70 film speed, which works better for long exposures (less reciprocity); it's ISO 150 nominally.

    I'm also looking at the TL70. It would be fun. However, it also means stocking yet another film. I'm not sure I want to get into that. I'm already stocking SX-70, 600, Spectra, and Fuji FP-3000b and FP-100c pack film for Polaroid Land 350 instant camera... There's a limit! :-)

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    Re: The Reduction

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    There's a limit! :-)

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    Are you sure? Have you seen one? Where?
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    Just for fun, I thought I'd carry my Sony RX100 as primary camera for awhile and see what developed. Mind you, this is a camera I purchased last year, only briefly used, and had been on the verge of selling. ("Nice gear but not quite the shooter's camera")

    And now I'm thinking that if there was any weakness, it was due less to the hardware and more to my rapid-fire buying and selling of gear without really getting to know it as well as I should. I reconfigured it a bit, and gosh it's feeling more soulful already

    This is a roundabout way of saying that it probably wouldn't kill me to shoot more and spend less time buying and selling gear.







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    Quote Originally Posted by 4season View Post
    Just for fun, I thought I'd carry my Sony RX100 as primary camera for awhile and see what developed. Mind you, this is a camera I purchased last year, only briefly used, and had been on the verge of selling. ("Nice gear but not quite the shooter's camera")

    And now I'm thinking that if there was any weakness, it was due less to the hardware and more to my rapid-fire buying and selling of gear without really getting to know it as well as I should. I reconfigured it a bit, and gosh it's feeling more soulful already

    This is a roundabout way of saying that it probably wouldn't kill me to shoot more and spend less time buying and selling gear.
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    Nice pix!
    I think we're on the same wavelength. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4season View Post
    Just for fun, I thought I'd carry my Sony RX100 as primary camera for awhile and see what developed. Mind you, this is a camera I purchased last year, only briefly used, and had been on the verge of selling. ("Nice gear but not quite the shooter's camera")
    I'm a big fan of the high class compact. Hence my love of my GR and DP2M. The Leica X1/2 is one I'd like to dabble with. I think if you try them for a while you can get hooked. There is some liberation in being limited. Doing a lot with a little.

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Leica X2 and accessories, Leica CL and accessories up next ...
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    I'm a bit surprised your X2 is on the list G. Your images from that have been good, but don't let me slow the cull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    I'm a bit surprised your X2 is on the list G. Your images from that have been good, but don't let me slow the cull.
    Speaking strictly for myself, if there's one thing I'm very very good at, it's justifying pretty [email protected] near any shiny new toy that catches my eye But ultimately most wind up being more distraction than anything else. Here and there, I encounter a few real game-changers, but these are relatively few and far apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    I'm a big fan of the high class compact. Hence my love of my GR and DP2M. The Leica X1/2 is one I'd like to dabble with. I think if you try them for a while you can get hooked. There is some liberation in being limited. Doing a lot with a little.
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    I'm a bit surprised your X2 is on the list G. Your images from that have been good, but don't let me slow the cull.
    The X2 is great, but I've got the X now, too much overlap...
    I'll sell you mine! :-!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The X2 is great, but I've got the X now, too much overlap...
    I'll sell you mine! :-!

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    ahh, that explains the X2 on the block. I'd also probably keep the latter.
    Your supposed to help me not buy more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    ahh, that explains the X2 on the block. I'd also probably keep the latter.
    You're supposed to help me not buy more!
    LOL! I'm trying to be helpful. ;-)

    Just back from my Saturday morning walk. I made 35 exposures with the M-P using Nokton 50/1.5 and M-Rokkor 90/4 lenses. Arrived home, dumped them into LR, selected all, applied three of my presets, fussed with the Effects panel and the Radial filter a little bit, created a slide show with some music. While the set could stand some editing down, every one of them is a photograph I would be happy to show. Gads, I love this camera.

    Round two of The Reduction went well with just two items unsold, most everything bringing in what I expected or close to it. Round three coming up ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Round two of The Reduction went well with just two items unsold, most everything bringing in what I expected or close to it. Round three coming up ...
    I've gotten into the habit of photographing new toys as they arrive into my life, and looking at these along with the product shots I do as I'm preparing to dispose of them, reminds me of where I've been.

    In fact, I've coined a term for the act of saving myself the bother of having to sell stuff on eBay: I call it "PreBaying". For instance, I just blundered into a sale of a Canon Rebel 5 and Nikon J5 @ Target: Either one with kit zoom is $299! And yet, what would they do for me besides provide me with a brief bit of novelty? Hence, I PreBayed them i.e. left the store empty-handed. Come to think of it, I already did the what-can-I-do-with-a-really-cheap-SLR experiment a couple of years ago (Sony A35 w/kit zoom), and if I were a normal person, I could've stopped right there.
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    Re: The Reduction

    For what it's worth, here are the photo-related items I unloaded since 2005 or thereabouts.

    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/members/...no-longer-own/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    ...I said I envisioned the goal of a lot less gear cluttering the closet by the end of the year...
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    I ended up with a lot less gear when I traded in my Nikon collection on my M240. A year later, I upgraded to the M-P Safari set, which cleaned out the remainder of my Nikon gear. For the first time in 20+ years, I have no Nikon SLR kit, no zoom lenses.

    I have only rangefinder cameras now, M-P Safari, M4-P, XPAN II, Rollei 35SE and Nikonos V - and no regrets.

    "It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head." - Henri Cartier-Bresson

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    It's good.
    There's a noticeable reduction in clutter already, and I'm just getting into the heavy stuff.

    I will keep my Nikon kit, however.

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    It must be camera collection-downsizing season:

    http://theonlinephotographer.typepad...ds-advice.html

    http://visualsciencelab.blogspot.com...otography.html

    My neighborhood camera store (Mike's Camera) held one of their bi-annual tent sale/expo this weekend: Sony NEX-7s for ~$450, NEX5Ts for $300, Olympus EM5 refurbs for $319 and so on. Was tempted to get one of those EM5s, but another customer was hovering over the small stack of boxes and seemed intent on going through each one, and I didn't feel like waiting around. Whole bunch of Sony RX1s and RX1rs available too, but at $2275 they weren't seeming like can't-miss deals. I ended up wandering through the store twice this past weekend and was tempted by at least a half-dozen items, but wound up buying nothing at all which came as a mild surprise to me.

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    That's good!

    After selling off a healthy bunch of stuff, and lots more yet to go, I allowed myself to get suckered into buying another Nikon body, companion to my 1964 F: a Nikon F6. Such a beautiful camera and at a very good price. Now I have the first and the last of the legendary Nikon Fs.

    But the Reduction continues ... :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    a Nikon F6. Such a beautiful camera and at a very good price.
    The F6 is the culmination of line and a beautiful design IMHO. It appears to me to be better engineered than the F5 was. It appears more compact. What stuns me is the price you can get such a finely crafted device for.

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    Re: The Reduction

    Reading this thread and Guy's "Filter explosion thread" under B&S coincides with a minor "accident" I had yesterday:
    I bumped into one of the side mirrors of my old Toyota Soluna yesterday, causing it to break off. My father bought that car 18 years ago, the cheapest car available in Thailand at the time, believing none of them would last for long. This month, we'll celebrate his 90th birthday, but the car is literally falling apart and I should probably fear for the safety of myself as well as other people on the road.

    Since I'm so extremely happy with my D810/F6 duo and the 21/28/50/105mm quartet, I'm ready for a reduction too, to create a basis for the acquisition of a car that is maximum 17 years old. I'll start the coming weekend.

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    That's good!
    Thanks, but I had some help:

    http://www.shambhala.com/books/hooked.html

    Clever angle that the book takes is that it's not about abstinence, but rather, getting to know the feeling that goes through one's mind as one shops for new tools/toys/experiences. And as I perused the tent sale offerings, I couldn't shake the feeling that the biggest rush I was going to get that day would happen as I walked to the checkout line, and that everything else would be kind of anticlimactic: Why even bother to unbox it when it's likely headed for eBay sooner rather than later?

    I did get my first hands-on time with the RX100 Mk III and A7 II and liked them, but they mostly seemed to address shortcomings in the Mk I models which hadn't really been bothering me much. Was a bit less enthused about the added bulk and heft.

    Also wanted to try the Olympus EM5 Mk II but there were no special deals to be had that day, and admittedly I mostly want it because it looks nice: Perhaps another toy for another day? Or maybe I should just divest myself of M43 altogether.

    Still planning on getting Sony's new 90mm FE macro lens, but there were no samples to try at this event. Probably will just pick one up from stock this summer (no preorders for me!)

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    'The Reduction' Indeed

    The last year-and-a-half, I've gone thru a Canon 6D system, Sony systems in a7R and a99, and a Canon 5D3 system. I kept a Samsung NX1 system that I bought last fall, and I'm currently using Canon TS-E (and other) lenses on it. The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd systems are gone, as is most of the 5D3 stuff. I've been thru tripod and gear-carrying systems, too. I've ordered a 5DSR, and I'll keep the NX1 while I fall in love with a Canon body again. Then all the Samsung stuff will go.

    I've never been a collector of foto gear, but I've sure had a lot--TOO MUCH--stuff over this period.

    Sure is easy to have too much stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffreybehr View Post
    The last year-and-a-half, I've gone thru a Canon 6D system, Sony systems in a7R and a99, and a Canon 5D3 system. I kept a Samsung NX1 system that I bought last fall, and I'm currently using Canon TS-E (and other) lenses on it. The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd systems are gone, as is most of the 5D3 stuff. I've been thru tripod and gear-carrying systems, too. I've ordered a 5DSR, and I'll keep the NX1 while I fall in love with a Canon body again. Then all the Samsung stuff will go.

    I've never been a collector of foto gear, but I've sure had a lot--TOO MUCH--stuff over this period.

    Sure is easy to have too much stuff!
    It certainly is.
    My Sony gear will be gone by next week.
    Getting it down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    It certainly is.
    My Sony gear will be gone by next week.
    Getting it down...

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    Mine's gone too G.
    I tried both the A7 and A7II and while I like them, I'm out for the moment.
    I may try a A7r when the price drops some more if the A7r II comes out, but I am considering going back to m43 EM-5 II mainly because the lenses are smaller and cheaper.

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    Re: The Reduction

    I was feeling sort of restless this weekend and was tempted to do a bit of retail therapy! Among other photo items, I half-seriously considered picking up another Digital Harinezumi, a Olympus EM5 Mk I, a Sony RX1, a Sigma DP2 Quattro and an Olympus Stylus Tough TG4.

    But in the end, I instead took photos of some of my computing relics using the Ricoh GR: Hardly my first choice for product-type shots, but just as I did previously with the Sony RX100, I thought I'd use the GR more or less exclusively for awhile and see what transpired. Found myself initially griping about the overly-wide FoV and the exaggerated perspective when I moved in close enough to fill the frame. But after awhile, I relaxed and just went with it.

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    4Season, I was there when these Macs were released. You have there either a 128/512 or a Mac Plus.

    From 1983 to around 2000 I was an Apple Qualified Tech. Back then we did chip level repairs on Apple II+ motherboards. I saw the Apple IIe, III and Lisa released. I even swapped out "Twiggy" drives from Lisa's to the 3.5" single sided floppy disks.

    The first 128Mb Macs that we got in Australia were all 110v USA versions and we sold them with 110v stepdown transformers. The rest is history.

    I really miss pre-OSX. It was a great OS IHMO. These were the days of $12,000 B/W laser printers, Localtalk and 50 pin SCSI.

    I only have a few momentos, things like an Apple II "The Personal Computer" mug, a Mac pull apart tool, and an Apple IIc lapel pin.

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    I remember those machines well. I was the last developer who signed up for the Macintosh developer program just before the announcement/advertisement at the 1984 Super Bowl.

    I don't miss Macintosh operating system though. I was one of the team at Apple that helped bring OS X into life in the late 1990s/early 2000s. I honor the advancement that Macintosh and Mac OS up to 9 brought to the computer world a decade and a half before, but by the end it was a pretty rickety, fragile thing to base your work on. By comparison to the OS X Yosemite system I'm using now, never mind the underlying hardware, well ... there is no comparison.

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    The past is fun to revisit, but I wouldn't want to live there

    By the part #, my Mac started life as a 512K and got upgraded to a Plus at some point. Maybe 15 years ago, I picked it out of someone's trash, but I actually had a very similar unit when it was the very latest thing.

    I agree with Godfrey that the "classic" Mac OS was becoming a creaky beast held together with baling wire and duct tape: There were some nice features grafted onto the thing, but the foundation was in dire need of a Unix transplant. Smartest thing about OS X and it's predecessor NextStep was building them upon a core of free open source software rather than attempting to do it all from scratch.

    For grins I've been toying with the idea of making the new 12" MacBook my primary computer, possibly hooked up to 24" 4K display: That computer seems scarcely larger than my first iPad and costs less than my first 100 megabyte hard drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4season View Post
    ... That computer seems scarcely larger than my first iPad and costs less than my first 100 megabyte hard drive.
    My original Apple 20Mbyte hard drive for my first Mac Plus cost me $1,560.00 in early 1986... !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I remember those machines well. I was the last developer who signed up for the Macintosh developer program just before the announcement/advertisement at the 1984 Super Bowl.

    I don't miss Macintosh operating system though. I was one of the team at Apple that helped bring OS X into life in the late 1990s/early 2000s. I honor the advancement that Macintosh and Mac OS up to 9 brought to the computer world a decade and a half before, but by the end it was a pretty rickety, fragile thing to base your work on. By comparison to the OS X Yosemite system I'm using now, never mind the underlying hardware, well ... there is no comparison.

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    The height of satisfaction with the old Mac OS was several hours after latest deadline, the messenger waiting at the reception, artwork finally finished, just need to save it to the.... aarrrrgh... bomb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    My original Apple 20Mbyte hard drive for my first Mac Plus cost me $1,560.00 in early 1986... !

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    I remember selling dual 5.25" floppy drives for the Sorcerer computer for about $1500 Australian. I think the 300/75 baud acoustic couplers were $300.

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    The height of satisfaction with the old Mac OS was several hours after latest deadline, the messenger waiting at the reception, artwork finally finished, just need to save it to the.... aarrrrgh... bomb
    I liked OS 9.x so much that I bought a Thinkpad with Windows 95 and didn't buy another Apple product for myself for years. I still keep current Windows and Linux machines around. You know, just in case Apple ever starts to suck again.

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    Re: The Reduction

    The Reduction continues ... Sony A7, spare batteries, chargers, all lens mount adapters: all gone now. The closet is beginning to look a bit more sane.

    Next bunch of stuff to go up on the auction block perhaps Sunday evening... Leica R lenses and such. Maybe the E-PL7 as well ... I'm not using it as much as I expected, although I do like it a lot.

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