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    Unhappy M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    HI Everone
    We went to visit our son in Leeds over the weekend, we arrive late on Friday night and headed for a busy Italian Restaurant for supper around 10.30. When we finished there was only one other table occupied.

    After the 5 minute walk back to the hotel I realised I'd left little bag with above mentioned on the floor by the table. I rushed back, everyone had left except the staff, and the bag was gone.

    They were very apologetic and very concerned, but they said that the party of 12 at the next table were regular and trusted customers (they certainly looked okay, if rather well lubricated), and that the staff were above suspicion.

    Woke up early on Saturday with a hangover and big regret. I went back to the restaurant, and they were not hopeful, the manager said that he couldn't really ring up the people on the next table and accuse them of theft. Police were uninterested (£6000 and they're uninterested )

    The only consolation was that I'd taken 2nd body and WATE out of the bag before we went out . . . I had left the frankenfinder in there though.

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    Smile Second installment

    We had a grand lunch and a big walk on the moors on Saturday, I was trying to forget the missing gear.
    When we got back to the hotel, I nipped around to the restaurant and the manager said that he actually had rung the guy who had booked the party of twelve, and that it was just possible that something might come up.

    11 that evening, after dinner and a couple of drinks, I got a call - it was back. I rushed around and there it was, all present and correct. I left a BIG tip for drinks for the staff - the receptionist said that the manager had actually told the customer that the camera and lenses were registered, and that the owner didn't want to cause trouble, but they would have to look through their CCTv footage (which they didn't have).

    The only thing missing is the leather tab on the bag - everything else present and correct.

    Phew.

    It was not insured . . .

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Wow!!! Jono. I'm very happy for you!!! Though, of course, I'm sorry that you had the scare in the first place.

    Congratulations on the recovery! And double kudos to the manager for stepping up to call the other customer too.

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Wow....I guess their trusted customer probably won't be bringing those same friends back to the restaurant, just from the embarrassment factor alone. Curiosity who left first you or the party of 12?

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Great response on the part of the manager.

    For fear of doing this I always lock things in the safe or wrap the camera/bag strap around my leg so that I cannot leave without it. I am sure that in the event of a fire I would rue that habit.

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    I inadvertently gave my wallet containing every credit card I have to a pair of Gypsies at the Chatellet station of the RER.
    I really doubt that anything will come back.
    Jono, you are really lucky
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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Lucky you; and well done that manager!
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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Well done! My heart was sinking the more into the thread I read however it did end up okay.

    Very glad that everything worked out okay. Congratulations.

    Makes you rethink the logging chain attachment doesn't it?

    Oh and Bob - there must be more to the story than that!

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Creek View Post

    Oh and Bob - there must be more to the story than that!
    I was afraid to go there.

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Allyn View Post
    I was afraid to go there.
    Me too.

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Man that is awesome. you must have paid some serious goodness forward earlier in life my friend!

    28 'crons can be very dear! (well the other stuff too).

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    What A Story...Great Pacing...a novella in Itself...near tragedy... and then a Fairy Tale Ending

    You are Truly BLESSED.... a Kiss to Your Angel

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I inadvertently gave my wallet containing every credit card I have to a pair of Gypsies at the Chatellet station of the RER.
    I really doubt that anything will come back.
    Jono, you are really lucky
    no! no! no!

    just now?

    tell me no!

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    and, Jono -- thank god for the second installment!!! my stomach was inching up my throat! i'd probably still be kissing and hugging the manager!

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Dunno what line of work you're in, Jono, but unless it is writing - it's wrong!

    Like others, I was reading through the first post and my heart was sinking. In the closet just to my right is my Fogg bag with my M6 and three lenses, soon to be joined by an M8.2 as soon as my just shipped Nikon D700 and 24-70 AF-S lens arrives at David Farkas' store as trade.

    I brightened as you launched into the 2nd post as that conveyed a sense of hope to my head. The outcome justified my lagging faith in human kind and now, for at least a while, I'm convinced that the world has a chance at survival! ¡Viva todo el mundo!
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    Hi Jono,

    Wow, my heart sank when I read part 1. I am glad it all came back!

    Bob,

    Sorry to hear about your wallet. Especially when you are travelling.

    I work in Brussels and often get the train bound for Amsterdam in the evening back to Antwerp and there are an amazing number of thieves on that train.

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Yup, just as we were arriving from Boston, took the RER from CDG and a pair of Gypsy's (as Cynthia referred to them) were working the crowd. A woman who looked far from underfed passed through the train handing out slips of paper imprinted with a sob-story about being homeless, in both French and English translations, which implored the receiver to return the slip with some cash. When she passed by to collect her donations, Cynthia looked at her and said "NO". Her epethetical response is not for repeating. On the way off the train at Chatellet carrying our bags, we were jostled. A moment later I found my wallet to be missing.
    The police were nice and transcribed my report into French which I was asked to proof-read and sign. They told me that we happened to be on the highest risk train, station, day of week, and time in all of Paris.
    Visa International, delivered an emergency replacement card in less than 48 hours to my hotel.
    The only real loss, besides my wallet, was about 290 euros which was what was left from what I had converted from travelers checks at the airport.
    I like Jono's story much better.
    -bob

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Yup, just as we were arriving from Boston, took the RER from CDG and a pair of Gypsy's (as Cynthia referred to them) were working the crowd. A woman who looked far from underfed passed through the train handing out slips of paper imprinted with a sob-story about being homeless, in both French and English translations, which implored the receiver to return the slip with some cash. When she passed by to collect her donations, Cynthia looked at her and said "NO". Her epethetical response is not for repeating. On the way off the train at Chatellet carrying our bags, we were jostled. A moment later I found my wallet to be missing.
    The police were nice and transcribed my report into French which I was asked to proof-read and sign. They told me that we happened to be on the highest risk train, station, day of week, and time in all of Paris.
    Visa International, delivered an emergency replacement card in less than 48 hours to my hotel.
    The only real loss, besides my wallet, was about 290 euros which was what was left from what I had converted from travelers checks at the airport.
    I like Jono's story much better.
    -bob
    HI Bob
    I've been there as well - twice in the last eighteen months, cash gone - credit cards all needing replacing. Still, they do get faster at it these days. We have joint accounts (generally), so we end up having cancel both sets of cards, we ended up skiing with only one working card between us!

    I do sympathise though, it leaves a nasty feeling.

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Hi Everybody.
    Thanks for the sympathetic replies.

    Of course, I was VERY lucky. On the other hand, I was also VERY careful as to how I approached the issue with the manager.

    1. I revisited the restaurant 4 time in 24 hours. Each time I was very apologetic, very polite and very sure that the stuff couldn't be sold as all the serial numbers are registered with Leica UK.

    2. I made it absolutely clear that I didn't want anyone punished or brought to justice, I just wanted the gear back with as little fuss as possible.

    3. I suggested looking through the CCtcv, but he said they only had it on the door.
    4. I suggested £200 addition to the staff tip fund and £100 for the person who returned it (I thought it was probably a member of staff).

    5. At every point I made it clear that this must have been a mistake and NOT theft . . . the word was not mentioned at any time.

    So, basically I was trying to cultivate the attitude that I was a nice guy, not stroppy, very worried, and not going to go away. The intention was that it would be easier for him to sort it out than to simply sweep it under the table. I think the phrase 'MUST have been a mistake' was probably the critical one.

    So, of course, I was very lucky, but to some extent you do make your own luck, and the way one responds when frightened / angry / upset can have a very big effect on the outcome.

    Whatever - glad you liked the story - of course, my M8 seems a much nicer thing after a few hours without it!

    I'll let it speak for itself:
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    Hi Jono,

    I think you have offered us all some good advice there should we find ourselves in the same situation.

    I think you are right that persistence and politeness must have been key here.

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Sorry to hear of the pick-pockets for you guys. When I travel in high traffic areas (southeast Asia, in my case) I move my wallet to my front pocket. And I carry my mobile phone in my hand or front shirt pocket with a closure (because mobile phones are picked as well). I don' t carry my "real" cash in my wallet, but in my front pocket anyway (together with at least one credit card), but there is usually a few hundred U.S. and at least one credit card in my wallet.

    It's annoying to experience these kinds of situations, and I'm sorry that any of us do, but we can take measures to make ourselves less attractive to the "ne'r-do-wells". Jono's situation reminds us to wrap our camera bag strap around our leg, or place it between our feet. Bob (really sorry about your hassle too) reminds us to move our valuables to a front pocket, keep our carry bags in front of us, etc. Ignoring these methods in many congested places around the world, especially if you (we) look like tourists, will cause a lot of inconvenience and expense. Please don't ignore this stuff if traveling to Bangkok's high traffic tourist locales and the like.

    Warmest regards,

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    Last edited by Dale Allyn; 18th May 2009 at 01:01.

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    Hi All,

    I remember hearing somewhere that pickpockets often hang around close to where there are signs stating 'warning - pickpockets operate in this area' or the like. The reason being apparantly is that a reflex for a lot of people upon seeing such a sign is to feel their pocket for their wallet which the pickpocket then observes.

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    Re: M8, 28 'cron, 50 sonnar, fogg bag . . . gone!

    Wow , The camera Gods are certainly with you my friend . Your first first post made my heart sink like a rock, thanks for the second post that really made my day it was all back. Myself I have been very lucky , my wife on the other hand has not. Worse than losing the gear or purse it is the violated part that I think most folks get really upset about. Great post to remind ourselves to be more careful. The worst part of being a camera buff is the amount of money that sits in those little bags, it is not pocket change.
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