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    8K is so last week... meet 12K

    It's stuff like this that makes me want to start a production company and make something out of the video dreams that have been gathering in my drawers and my head for a looooong time. And it's not so much about 12K as it is about the functionality of that beast. That said, the base unit is 2.5 kg, so a complete setup would easily be 4 kg or more... plus lenses.

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    Re: 8K is so last week... meet 12K

    You'll need a $20,000 (or more) Mac Pro to edit the files

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    Re: 8K is so last week... meet 12K

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    You'll need a $20,000 (or more) Mac Pro to edit the files
    He actually shows opening the file in Resolve on an MBP, and it seems pretty smooth. I suppose it's a high spec MBP, but still. He then shows multicam (9 cams) on a Pro. However, those who operate on this level probably have that Mac Pro anyway, and it's cheap compared to some of the lenses they use.

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    Re: 8K is so last week... meet 12K

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    It's stuff like this that makes me want to start a production company and make something out of the video dreams that have been gathering in my drawers and my head for a looooong time. And it's not so much about 12K as it is about the functionality of that beast. That said, the base unit is 2.5 kg, so a complete setup would easily be 4 kg or more... plus lenses.

    https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/pro...gicursaminipro

    https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/07/...ro-12k-camera/

    https://www.eoshd.com/news/blackmagi...ra/#more-23217
    The most exciting thing about this camera for me is that it can shoot high frame rate 8K, 6K, and 4K (110 fps). 12K might be really nice if the world "normalizes" and movie theaters are a thing again but for most of us 4K and/or 8K footage is going to be the maximum resolution in the home for the near future... and HDMI 2.1 is technically capped at 4K120 and 8K60 by spec. I watched the announcement live. Seems like a great production camera (that some are already complaining about because of course the internet will complain). I think for the VFX market, sports broadcasting, and maybe some niche development markets like motion capture this seems to be a great offering (assuming BMD can keep up with deliveries, firmware patch demands, and most importantly QC). Some seemed bummed that they didn't release a FF BMCC Pro camera but it was seemingly about time that they put out a higher spec Ursa Mini camera (which is still current as it can record in 4.6K @ 100+ fps). I didn't know what to expect of their announcement but a huge part of me was hoping that they announced ProRES RAW support in Davinci Resolve and that they kiss and made up with Atomos to support BRAW recording natively... but I guess those battles haven't resolved yet... pun intended.
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    Re: 8K is so last week... meet 12K

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    You'll need a $20,000 (or more) Mac Pro to edit the files
    You can actually download 12K samples (so that you're informed) to work with on their site if you're unsure whether or not your computer can handle the files... They've provided three samples. One should be able to handle the files on a MBP without much issue I assume. The live demo showed the presenter doing just this before taking multiple (nine to be exact) streams onto a Mac Pro. RAW video takes more data to record but is generally easier to edit. Blackmagic RAW (BRAW) typically has smaller file sizes than ProRES 422 but can be edited just as easily... same can be said of most RAW codecs.

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    Re: 8K is so last week... meet 12K

    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    You can actually download 12K samples (so that you're informed) to work with on their site if you're unsure whether or not your computer can handle the files... They've provided three samples. One should be able to handle the files on a MBP without much issue I assume. The live demo showed the presenter doing just this before taking multiple (nine to be exact) streams onto a Mac Pro. RAW video takes more data to record but is generally easier to edit. Blackmagic RAW (BRAW) typically has smaller file sizes than ProRES 422 but can be edited just as easily... same can be said of most RAW codecs.

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    It's also important to be aware of the fact that DaVinci Resolve relies on a fast GPU. That makes a highly specified MBP 16" very suitable, since it can be equiped with a good GPU with 8GB RAM, plus 64GB of machine RAM plus 8TB SSD and obviously the latest 8-core i9 processor. That makes it a $6,000+ machine, but that isn't so bad for the performance we're talking about here.

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    Re: 8K is so last week... meet 12K

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    It's also important to be aware of the fact that DaVinci Resolve relies on a fast GPU. That makes a highly specified MBP 16" very suitable, since it can be equiped with a good GPU with 8GB RAM, plus 64GB of machine RAM plus 8TB SSD and obviously the latest 8-core i9 processor. That makes it a $6,000+ machine, but that isn't so bad for the performance we're talking about here.
    True but that's assuming you get all of that. I work on a 16" MBP with the 2TB SSD, 32GB RAM, and the 8GB 5500M... It cost about $3500 new when I got it and I think I can probably run those 12K files fine. I expect folks will need external raid storage for large projects because that 8TB on board would get burned through pretty quickly when you factor in that the Canon R5 is using about 1TB for 50 mins of recording at 8K30 in RAW. BRAW is likely a more efficient codec but I imagine that 12K would require at least that much data per hour at 8:1 or 12:1 compression.
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